With the "3 inventory space instead of 10" point, I totally understand at a gameplay standpoint but I don't think the devs would do that since the 10 item thing is based off the Earthbound series (where items are also OP lmao 💀)
yeah you're kinda right, support does suck, but only for now. in demo 2, the max damage debuff you can have is -3, and the lowest amount of damage you can do is 1. should also probably mention cure and support are getting buffed, there'll be more support cards in demo 2 like sp wire where you can give 5 sp to an ally, some cards become easier to obtain like defense boost (currently can only be obtained from killing enemies) and ice dagger won't give defense in demo 2 so the defense boost card will be very important. and card stacking (doubles the effect the card inflicts/gives, at the cost of doubling sp cost), which is only useful with cure so far because burn for 4 turns with 2 fire ball cards isn't exactly good
That's what am saying, it's literally demo 1 and making straight Tier list and judges is still stupid, of course people can complain but what many people like myself are saying, ''It's demo 1''
i can also say from experience that in demo 2 a support (mostly healer) is very strong and great to have (they saved us from death countless times on floor 29)
I have a few sentences to say sentient statue used statue smash! “Amazing!” -32 HP! (Player name collapsed!) (Player name 2) used resurrect! (Player name 2) used cure!” (Player name 3) used free poison!” (Player name) used line bounce!” -1hp -1hp -1hp -1hp then all the sentient statues got poisoned
Ah heres the thing Support class' usage depends on the team. If your team will cause you to burn through your items, the cards are useful. If theyre able to dodge mostly, then it sorta renders you somewhat useless. Also, in the demo, theres 2 cure cards. And yes, they stack in both sp and hp. Given this is a mechanic, i feel the minus attack is a GOOD tradeoff. Hear me out on this one. The support role needs to do SOMETHING other than let teammates carry. Hence why i only use resurrect and cure from the mentioned cards. Of course, this gives me a lot less damage. Which WILL cause me to need to use a lot more items to deal damage, as well as using a lot of sp. I still am reliant on my party, but i do need to play defence as well so as to restore sp. Hence why i use safeguard. Sacrifice is only really a good idea if you can dodge well. I also rely on counters as most of my damage output, given my basic attacks do nothing against ⅓ of the enemies. Support class is all dependent on your skills at the game. I have to not use sacrifice as im not a consistent dodger. Especially when going into new areas (ive beat every part of demo 1 so im referring to demo 2). Thats why i use safe guard and thorns to guarentee damage if im hit. I usually use items as a last resort of sorts. If most of the party is dying, i would use an iron cafes special. Though i do use some items to assist in battles. Edit: remember to swap out useless cards when your by yourself lol
Back when the Level cap for demo 1 was 12, I got my hands on a 50SP file. It’s been the closest thing ive used to a reasonable support, though it’s very restrictive as i have base HP and BP overall, yeah we ought to wait a few demos to make support better. The fact that the pit lets you easily leave and return to later floors makes it even less of a concern
@@GarciaGamingFR it was funny edit: also, it was reduced to 9 because they changed the xp drops of several enemies, like banished knights and sentient statues (the main 2 enemies that farming let you get past level 9)
Cure card was been buffed, now only need 2 sp (ressusect now need 4 sp and 1 self revive that automatically happens if you have enough sp, happens once, or more with more ressusect cards.)
I think this is an amazing solution, 10 slots feels pretty extreme and card abilities feels kinda scrappy it would be nice to have more strategy over what item to have by limiting the invetory, ( maybe like 4 or 5 tho ) maybe they can also have caps to how much of one item you can have
My guess for why the cards feel really outdated compared to the abilities is probably because the cards were made first and the foods were made later on in development and were accidently too op comparing to cards
The idea is pretty good, I feel like the items should be capped at how much people are in your party eg. 2 in party = 5 items 3 in party = 3-4 items and 4 in party = 2-3 items
this card is pretty good when paired with sp regen card when going for a defense build as you can infinitely heal because you have two turns before the enemy when doing solo battles
As the battle between the strongest sorcerer of today and the strongest curse in history was going down, the dishonored one… wait what the hell is this?
You can stack cards together. doubling the cures heal and cost, and another good support card is item+ to use items as support better by buffing their values a bit. Then theres the def boost but we dont talk about that
i think support should support should revolve around the items, like using 2 items in one turn, increasing the likelihood of an effect from a card working, etc, etc
Ok as much as I get the point here, support will probably be more expanded but cure and sacrifice can be useful when paired with the right cards and role. Although, it also HEAVILY depends on the team’s units and strategy, so maybe it’s more melee focused or supportive in that scenario. Another thing, this is just a demo and of course it won’t have that much in it. I do agree that if you do have healing items it can counteract the cards entirely, however if you’re running low during battle: that’s when it’s more useful. I have at least 20+ hours in this game to know almost each card in the game and I can definitely say that being support is very minimal at the moment. However, I still think these cards aren’t useless and just “bad”… no not by any means. Sure, you could definitely have an advantage with the Iron Cafe specials and drinks. But you only 10 spaces in your inventory, so you might run out. Or maybe not, who knows but: what if someone in your party does run out of items. What do you do then? This is actually when these cards become much more viable in battle, especially resurrect and sacrifice. What if you have a central healer and that support is slowly dying? Would you heal yourself or that player… well you would heal that person of course. Anyways… I may or may not of defeated the purpose/point of this video. anyways!
I sorta wanna see an updated opinion on this since the new update for demo 2 really made heal useful as it can stack. and resurrection can revive yourself once per fight, making it really good for solo runs.
A fix would make it so you have a inventory of 20 but are able to use/bring 4 items to a fight. And with Item+ you can use/bring 4 more items into a fight. Alternatively there could also be a 'item power' system where some items having different power amounts meaning lesser items have less 'IP' than some high tier ones. Food for thought.
support isnt mean to do damage i myself carried my friends on pit floor 19 and only a single person died (the "special" one died btw) against the 4 statues and i didn tattack a SINGLE time just spamming focus ice dagger cure and items the whole way thats is waht support is meant to do
2 charge + free poison + knight and use power stab is my usual strat because free poison already disables ball and I can do insane damage because charge stacks and I’m using knight and if they survive then the poison will either kill them or get them to low hp so I can just use normal sword
I mean it's not that bad if you have party use cure ONLY for when your teammates low health, "why not use a healing item?" We don't have ANY so... PLS ONLY use if you don't have any healing item AND YOU AND YOUR TEAMATES IN LOW HEALTH
Countering is not the easiest so getting 15 hp then using hp+ is pretty good. Personally i use ante up which wastes a lot of bp. Just get like 10 or 15 sp thwn 15/20 health and ur good
they're gonna nerf the cure cand ressurect card sp cost and those cards makes itemless runs possible since items are MEANT to make the entire game easier 😒
in demo 1, getting a crap ton of bombs along with the item+ card was popular now it isnt because of bombs and even storm tea being nerfed to the ground
wait till card stacking exists cuz someone has 3 cure cards on with healed me 15 hp and i was in awe after all i never knew card stacking actually works and having 10 would be a whooping 50 hp tho rip BP edit: gimme some cons about this stuff
7/13/2024
Support is much stronger now and stacking Cure is worth it👍
With the "3 inventory space instead of 10" point, I totally understand at a gameplay standpoint but I don't think the devs would do that since the 10 item thing is based off the Earthbound series (where items are also OP lmao 💀)
Wasn't it the same with paper mario?
yes it was if I recall correctly.
Inventory space is NOT inspired by other games.
@@zerointerest9297 true i remember one where it was a card that reduced the enemies damage to 0 and it works on bosses too
yeah you're kinda right, support does suck, but only for now. in demo 2, the max damage debuff you can have is -3, and the lowest amount of damage you can do is 1. should also probably mention cure and support are getting buffed, there'll be more support cards in demo 2 like sp wire where you can give 5 sp to an ally, some cards become easier to obtain like defense boost (currently can only be obtained from killing enemies) and ice dagger won't give defense in demo 2 so the defense boost card will be very important. and card stacking (doubles the effect the card inflicts/gives, at the cost of doubling sp cost), which is only useful with cure so far because burn for 4 turns with 2 fire ball cards isn't exactly good
That's what am saying, it's literally demo 1 and making straight Tier list and judges is still stupid, of course people can complain but what many people like myself are saying, ''It's demo 1''
Chill, it's a suggestion
@@actualplastic2190I get the critique… but yeah support is pretty lackluster rn. But it will expand.
I already enjoyed support in demo 1, but it feels super good in demo 2. I love it.
i can also say from experience that in demo 2 a support (mostly healer) is very strong and great to have (they saved us from death countless times on floor 29)
I have a few sentences to say
sentient statue used statue smash!
“Amazing!”
-32 HP!
(Player name collapsed!)
(Player name 2) used resurrect!
(Player name 2) used cure!”
(Player name 3) used free poison!”
(Player name) used line bounce!”
-1hp
-1hp
-1hp
-1hp
then all the sentient statues got poisoned
every 2nd hit it does -1hp, instead say Deflected! -1hp Deflected! -1hp
Wow a 2 turn combo that's relying on proper action commands that does the exact same damage as a single bomb, very impressive
That isn’t how turns work though?
@@trickygamer555well it does more but it takes 5 turns because free poison lasts like 5 turns
@@uhm.... Baller + Ante Up. Nuff said.
Ah heres the thing
Support class' usage depends on the team. If your team will cause you to burn through your items, the cards are useful. If theyre able to dodge mostly, then it sorta renders you somewhat useless. Also, in the demo, theres 2 cure cards. And yes, they stack in both sp and hp. Given this is a mechanic, i feel the minus attack is a GOOD tradeoff. Hear me out on this one. The support role needs to do SOMETHING other than let teammates carry. Hence why i only use resurrect and cure from the mentioned cards. Of course, this gives me a lot less damage. Which WILL cause me to need to use a lot more items to deal damage, as well as using a lot of sp. I still am reliant on my party, but i do need to play defence as well so as to restore sp. Hence why i use safeguard. Sacrifice is only really a good idea if you can dodge well. I also rely on counters as most of my damage output, given my basic attacks do nothing against ⅓ of the enemies. Support class is all dependent on your skills at the game. I have to not use sacrifice as im not a consistent dodger. Especially when going into new areas (ive beat every part of demo 1 so im referring to demo 2). Thats why i use safe guard and thorns to guarentee damage if im hit. I usually use items as a last resort of sorts. If most of the party is dying, i would use an iron cafes special. Though i do use some items to assist in battles.
Edit: remember to swap out useless cards when your by yourself lol
Back when the Level cap for demo 1 was 12, I got my hands on a 50SP file. It’s been the closest thing ive used to a reasonable support, though it’s very restrictive as i have base HP and BP
overall, yeah we ought to wait a few demos to make support better. The fact that the pit lets you easily leave and return to later floors makes it even less of a concern
But why?? 50 SP but no heavy SP cards to use them with
(also i think lv 12 is still the level cap)
@@GarciaGamingFR it was funny
edit: also, it was reduced to 9 because they changed the xp drops of several enemies, like banished knights and sentient statues (the main 2 enemies that farming let you get past level 9)
@@dog7676 BROOOO NOOOOO
your opinion.
@@blulunarity yeah, it's not like i cited sources for it lol
Cure card was been buffed, now only need 2 sp
(ressusect now need 4 sp and 1 self revive that automatically happens if you have enough sp, happens once, or more with more ressusect cards.)
Who would ever use sacrifice? I run with cure, thorns, free poison and resurrection.
I think this is an amazing solution, 10 slots feels pretty extreme and card abilities feels kinda scrappy it would be nice to have more strategy over what item to have by limiting the invetory, ( maybe like 4 or 5 tho ) maybe they can also have caps to how much of one item you can have
My guess for why the cards feel really outdated compared to the abilities is probably because the cards were made first and the foods were made later on in development and were accidently too op comparing to cards
Why are you everywhere.
@@happyboy07685 lol
1: We are still at the end of the 2nd chapter
2: It's a game based on Earthbound (Inventory system) and Paper Mario (The card system) by the way
The idea is pretty good, I feel like the items should be capped at how much people are in your party eg. 2 in party = 5 items 3 in party = 3-4 items and 4 in party = 2-3 items
this card is pretty good when paired with sp regen card when going for a defense build as you can infinitely heal because you have two turns before the enemy when doing solo battles
i always use cure for the pit and it works well for me, i dont know how it sucks
As the battle between the strongest sorcerer of today and the strongest curse in history was going down, the dishonored one… wait what the hell is this?
You can stack cards together. doubling the cures heal and cost, and another good support card is item+ to use items as support better by buffing their values a bit. Then theres the def boost but we dont talk about that
ooh! i didn’t know that! that’s cool!
item+ is the only good support card, sadly I just use it for offensive items only so yeah support doesn't exist right now
def boost becomes easier to get in demo 2, you can buy for about 50 tix at the card shop that may or may not be in bizville
i think support should support should revolve around the items, like using 2 items in one turn, increasing the likelihood of an effect from a card working, etc, etc
Yo whats the ID's for the blue necroskipper clothing?
Ok as much as I get the point here, support will probably be more expanded but cure and sacrifice can be useful when paired with the right cards and role.
Although, it also HEAVILY depends on the team’s units and strategy, so maybe it’s more melee focused or supportive in that scenario.
Another thing, this is just a demo and of course it won’t have that much in it. I do agree that if you do have healing items it can counteract the cards entirely, however if you’re running low during battle: that’s when it’s more useful. I have at least 20+ hours in this game to know almost each card in the game and I can definitely say that being support is very minimal at the moment.
However, I still think these cards aren’t useless and just “bad”… no not by any means. Sure, you could definitely have an advantage with the Iron Cafe specials and drinks. But you only 10 spaces in your inventory, so you might run out. Or maybe not, who knows but: what if someone in your party does run out of items.
What do you do then?
This is actually when these cards become much more viable in battle, especially resurrect and sacrifice. What if you have a central healer and that support is slowly dying? Would you heal yourself or that player… well you would heal that person of course.
Anyways… I may or may not of defeated the purpose/point of this video. anyways!
I sorta wanna see an updated opinion on this since the new update for demo 2 really made heal useful as it can stack. and resurrection can revive yourself once per fight, making it really good for solo runs.
A fix would make it so you have a inventory of 20 but are able to use/bring 4 items to a fight.
And with Item+ you can use/bring 4 more items into a fight.
Alternatively there could also be a 'item power' system where some items having different power amounts meaning lesser items have less 'IP' than some high tier ones.
Food for thought.
stealing this muhahahahaha
Free poison isnt bad if you combine it with abilities that inflict damage per turn like, rocket boots and fireball
Cure stacks btw, of you have more than one you can heal more health
support isnt mean to do damage i myself carried my friends on pit floor 19 and only a single person died (the "special" one died btw) against the 4 statues and i didn tattack a SINGLE time just spamming focus ice dagger cure and items the whole way thats is waht support is meant to do
2 charge + free poison + knight and use power stab is my usual strat because free poison already disables ball and I can do insane damage because charge stacks and I’m using knight and if they survive then the poison will either kill them or get them to low hp so I can just use normal sword
you can stack cards, so you can heal more than 5 hp from one cure
I hope this man makes vid where he talk why this are good after every item in the game gets nerfed next demo 😂
yo they should add a move that makes all the enemies target you or smth
Yeah, we need a tank role. 😭
Fr, maybe a card that makes a loud sound whenever you block that makes all enemies target you that turn
Secret Class: ULTIMATE CLASS (basiclly uses everything, just like most players.)
Just have more buffing and debuffing rather than healing skills
I mean it's not that bad if you have party use cure ONLY for when your teammates low health, "why not use a healing item?"
We don't have ANY so... PLS ONLY use if you don't have any healing item AND YOU AND YOUR TEAMATES IN LOW HEALTH
Countering is not the easiest so getting 15 hp then using hp+ is pretty good.
Personally i use ante up which wastes a lot of bp.
Just get like 10 or 15 sp thwn 15/20 health and ur good
I see so much people getting sp when it's the worst upgrade out of all of them
They buffed the resurrect card in demo 2 so now you can revive yourself one time during a battle
A better item nerf would be, you know, nerfing the items instead of limiting them
KNEW IT
demo 2 nerfed most items so
pro tip for everyone: get good
i don't even feel like 10 is enough inventory space when i'm fishing for a whale
Man pulled Yarthul form Arcane Lineage for when you start dying, that’s crazy
i know this wasn't made in demo 2 but now you revive with resurrect
If an item is very op it would either be nerfed or removed like what happened to the apple pie
Damn i have been trusting cure ever since my first play through, its all lies to the damn cure
My stats are 25hp 5sp and 18bp yk why i wasnt good at dodging in the early game and also i didnt but items
Tank will be a viable build once we get a taunt ability
1:54 when you reach chapter 2 youll be loosing 12 hp every turn
And then it became one of the best😭
they're gonna nerf the cure cand ressurect card sp cost
and those cards makes itemless runs possible
since items are MEANT to make the entire game easier 😒
surprising that nobody has made a "items" build
in demo 1, getting a crap ton of bombs along with the item+ card was popular
now it isnt because of bombs and even storm tea being nerfed to the ground
cure with the 15 hp heal in question (if used correctly):
that's just your opinion
wait till card stacking exists cuz someone has 3 cure cards on with healed me 15 hp and i was in awe after all i never knew card stacking actually works and having 10 would be a whooping 50 hp tho rip BP
edit: gimme some cons about this stuff
poison isnt a support card just use it on yourself or dont use it at all
It’s probably useful in no items runs
Just wait to the next bosses to have +50hp
the -4 damage in my back pocket
Just saying healing cards actually good bc your not wasting items and only sp
Thats why i get literally every support card and dont use cure fr ny support file
Where is free ice? (I’m got it by killing the fox)
free poison is not support it is used with knight
And then the king fight..
How do i get ressurect!!!!!!!!!!
I'm certified baller
Slide the ID for mudskipper head pls.
currently the worst card is ante up
bro forgot about ice dagger
Solo hard mode:
Your opinion not quite healthy tix tho
When the video actually ends: 99:59:59
Real
someone love playing at support's i see?