Thank you for this. I’m now in my early 30s and it took me a long time to realise this for myself. I’m not 100% healed yet and it’s been a slow process but I so really appreciate it when someone can verbalise my experience. No wonder why I was the way I was in my younger years.
I had read a article about "Christopher Thomas knight" also called "north pond hermit" who lived alone without human contact for 27 years. In his interview he said after such a long time living alone his sense of self was lost. This is in junction with what Peter explains, it's so awesome to hear such scientific advances in psychology and neuroscience, kudos 👍
You can't. As Winnicot says "the mothers face is the precursor to the mirror". Without which, the self is experienced as fragmented and disorganised (e.g., borderline pd). Fonagy suggests that the repair of a fragmented self occurs only in the context of interpersonal relationships (e.g., therapeutic relationships), whereby the therapist quite literally plays the role of an attachment figure that was otherwise not good enough.
@@samc2612 The problem I encountered was that the need for containment, by the analyst, of overwhelming infantile emotions, while being highly effective, was also was obstacle to growth and change. It seems a very difficult balance to achieve without a disabling sense of dependency upon the therapist. Fortunately the process I was in was classical as I only saw the therapist on entering and leaving the session. This encouraged the image of him almost as a psychic prosthetic rather than a material being, thus avoiding the growth of overt dependency. Although over time there grew an ability to see him as a separate person
People are pulling this out of their ass. First no one is born completely out of society, and second a lot of things in us are innate. You don't need to learn how to have sex for example, it's innate. Relating to yourself can be damaged but I doubt it can be absent, and even if it was I don't know how people would experiment to find out. Even children who have been raised by animals have had contact with other living beings.
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Thank you for this. I’m now in my early 30s and it took me a long time to realise this for myself. I’m not 100% healed yet and it’s been a slow process but I so really appreciate it when someone can verbalise my experience. No wonder why I was the way I was in my younger years.
I had read a article about "Christopher Thomas knight" also called "north pond hermit" who lived alone without human contact for 27 years. In his interview he said after such a long time living alone his sense of self was lost. This is in junction with what Peter explains, it's so awesome to hear such scientific advances in psychology and neuroscience, kudos 👍
This makes great sense, but how do you build, or can you ever build, a coherent sense of self if the early developmental stage is absent?
You can't. As Winnicot says "the mothers face is the precursor to the mirror". Without which, the self is experienced as fragmented and disorganised (e.g., borderline pd). Fonagy suggests that the repair of a fragmented self occurs only in the context of interpersonal relationships (e.g., therapeutic relationships), whereby the therapist quite literally plays the role of an attachment figure that was otherwise not good enough.
@@samc2612 The problem I encountered was that the need for containment, by the analyst, of overwhelming infantile emotions, while being highly effective, was also was obstacle to growth and change. It seems a very difficult balance to achieve without a disabling sense of dependency upon the therapist. Fortunately the process I was in was classical as I only saw the therapist on entering and leaving the session. This encouraged the image of him almost as a psychic prosthetic rather than a material being, thus avoiding the growth of overt dependency. Although over time there grew an ability to see him as a separate person
The earliest development stage always has to have been present, for example, 'I' do this to get fed.
People are pulling this out of their ass. First no one is born completely out of society, and second a lot of things in us are innate. You don't need to learn how to have sex for example, it's innate. Relating to yourself can be damaged but I doubt it can be absent, and even if it was I don't know how people would experiment to find out. Even children who have been raised by animals have had contact with other living beings.
You CAN replace It yes, i did. It can be done through immersive memory replacement, hypnosis, meditation, psychedelics, and trauma healing
importance of being mirrored
Are there any books on the subject?
Popular: Attached by Amir Levine
Deep: Attachment Disorders in Adults by Dan Brown
How is this helpful to anyone? It’s saying if you’re screwed, you’re screwed.
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