Relative Risk Reduction Can Be Relatively Misleading

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  • @jackhandley5648
    @jackhandley5648 3 роки тому +27

    Excellent video, thank you. Very applicable to the current covid vaccines and the figures we are given

  • @marcinw4660
    @marcinw4660 3 роки тому +15

    there were so many sources I looked at to understand and memorize this concept. You are a master educator. This was the best explanation I found and finally got the concept. Thank you

  • @Dr.Frankensteen
    @Dr.Frankensteen 2 роки тому +9

    We need this study for covid right now...we already know absolute reduction risk of the jabs are less than 1%

  • @nellsypie
    @nellsypie 7 місяців тому

    I have struggled to understand this concept for ages , and in a couple of minutes you have cleared everyhing up. Thank you so so much

  • @nealesmith1873
    @nealesmith1873 3 роки тому +8

    ARR and NNT can only be compared when the drugs are tested within the same study (similar populations). This is a very serious error. In terms of the covid pandemic, you will get different ARR and NNT depending on how common cases are in the study group at that particular time.

    • @robotron17
      @robotron17 3 роки тому +13

      All basic science has been skipped in the "pandemic". The bulk of the studies were done in the summer when risk of symptoms/death is much lower, giving them a head start on RRR!

  • @richard_perry
    @richard_perry 4 роки тому +5

    Perhaps it would be worth correcting the error in the video? In Study 2, NNT may be 7 or 8 according to your point of view (see previous comments) but it is certainly not 6.

  • @josecruz-vega2070
    @josecruz-vega2070 3 роки тому +4

    Simple and accurate. Thanks!!!

  • @JustBrowsing777
    @JustBrowsing777 Рік тому

    Excellent. Needs to be common knowledge so patients can be part of taking informed decisions in whether to get on a drug or not. Like statins....

  • @arnoldfrackenmeyer8157
    @arnoldfrackenmeyer8157 5 місяців тому

    Outstanding video. It has something in short supply today. Integrity.

  • @southernaesthetics5868
    @southernaesthetics5868 3 роки тому +2

    Yes just like the COVID mRNA Vaccines this is great!

  • @zk9339
    @zk9339 Рік тому

    Thanks for the video. Might be worth representing RRR = (CER - EER)/CER with the brackets to avoid errors.

  • @techotopo
    @techotopo 3 роки тому +3

    rrr formula needs parentheses

    • @trucid2
      @trucid2 3 роки тому

      Wow, big oversight.

  • @dadmaxx8127
    @dadmaxx8127 Рік тому

    I think I understand NNT...how many people need to be treated to prevent 1 hospitalization. To calculate this you divide 1 by the Absolute Risk Reduction.
    So, for Fixitan, 1/0.03 = 33.3...so 33.3 people would need to be treated with Fixitan to prevent 1 hospitalization
    And, for Correctapril, 1/0.14 = 7.14...so 7.14 people would need to be treated with Correctapril to prevent 1 hospitalization
    In that case, the Relative Risk Reduction is basically statistical fuckery...the 60% is truly meaningless if way more people have to be treated in order to prevent 1 hospitalization. This is how, not just patients, but also doctors are misled. Most doctors are very busy tending to patients and likely do not have time to fully understand what is being pushed...I'm certain that the 60% vs 35% is a no brainer to them.
    Truly, Big Pharmaceutical companies are worse than cartels...at least, with illegal drugs, you know you are taking a huge risk and those pushers make no claims of altruism. Big Pharma is akin to the priests that did unspeakable acts to alter boys...pretending to be trustworthy leaders only to be the lowest and most despicable members of society. And, the politicians, the mainstream media, and the FDA, CDC and WHO are like the bishops that moved these priests around the country so that they could hide the atrocities instead of turning these "men" over to the authorities...causing more atrocities and destroying more lives and leading us towards a nihilistic amoral society. Without the lies, propaganda and cover-ups, Big Pharma would never get away with poisoning citizens and making them sicker with their "medicines". Shame on all of these charlatans and snake oil salesmen as well as their partners in crime.

  • @compier12
    @compier12 3 роки тому +3

    How relative this is in the recent vaccine madness and Ivermectine censureship

    • @compier12
      @compier12 3 роки тому +2

      Under which rock have you lived? Show me that data on IM, because the whole science community knows it does affect mortality (80%) and length of illness (60%) tremendously. RRR of the vaccines are superhigh, but it is misleading since the Absolute RR is 1%.

    • @pierce1234567891
      @pierce1234567891 10 місяців тому

      lol do you have scabies or worms? ivermectin has a great rrr to help with your problems!

  • @brrrr4
    @brrrr4 10 років тому

    Thank you very much it is very nice explanation

  • @danielray5571
    @danielray5571 3 роки тому +1

    Got it. Thanks!

  • @nourahar3571
    @nourahar3571 2 роки тому

    Thank you god bless

  • @MichaelToub
    @MichaelToub 2 роки тому

    Great video !

  • @existentialrap521
    @existentialrap521 2 роки тому

    thanks gansta great video

  • @bzzt5902
    @bzzt5902 3 роки тому

    Honest question - presuming the studies can be compared, shouldn't the expectation be that if Fixitan were used in study 2 that it would reduce the hospitalization rates from 40% to 16%?

    • @noora9550
      @noora9550 3 роки тому

      You mean there are different placebo drugs??

    • @bzzt5902
      @bzzt5902 3 роки тому

      @@noora9550 no, the patients in study 2 have a much higher absolute risk (and consequently even though the 2nd drug is less effective vs. the placebo, the ARR is much higher). In general if I was studying this sort of data my baseline hypothesis would be that RRR would carry from study 1 to study 2 (60% RRR vs. the placebo so 24% ARR for Fixitan in the context of the 2nd study).

  • @sidrashah4291
    @sidrashah4291 6 років тому +1

    awesome

  • @loco28491100
    @loco28491100 11 років тому +3

    Nnt in study 2 is 1/0,14 = 7.14 , therefor nnt is 7 ?

    • @richardtrevisanimspharmd6216
      @richardtrevisanimspharmd6216 5 років тому +1

      Good conceptual framework for addressing why the relative risk reduction (RRR) is misleading compared to the number needed to treat (NNT). NNT works for clinical trials individually, but not when multiple clinical trials are necessary.
      Criticisms: According to RxPrep review tools for the NAPLEX, the number needed to treat (NNT) is rounded up to the nearest whole number when we have a decimal after it. Why? To avoid overstating the benefits of the correctapril vs placebo group over the fixitan vs placebo group. In this example, we calculated a 7.14 NNT for Study 2 and a 33.3 NNT for Study 1. Therefore, the NNT would be 8 and 34 respectively, not 7 and 33 as stated in the chart.
      I would recommend reviewing NNT as a possible efficacy measure for meta-analyses. You will find it not very useful as the criteria varies among studies as well as the baseline characteristics of each patient population in each trial assessed.

    • @johnweir1217
      @johnweir1217 3 роки тому

      @@richardtrevisanimspharmd6216 - So ball-park figure 0.7 ARR (Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine) giving NNT circa 700 people - would you agree ?
      Thanks if you decide to reply.

  • @koolmi
    @koolmi 11 років тому

    Brilliant

  • @Stop-and-listen
    @Stop-and-listen 2 роки тому

    What is NNT?

    • @AmanitaWoodrose
      @AmanitaWoodrose 2 роки тому +2

      Number Needed to Treat - The average number of patients needed to treat before one patient experiences a benefit in a trial/study (the prevention of one negative outcome)

  • @brrrr4
    @brrrr4 10 років тому

    agree 7

  • @wassimarnaout
    @wassimarnaout Рік тому

    useless