When I first saw the news, I thought it was $999 for the complete set and felt it was expensive for a set of proxies. $999 for 4 boosters of random cards is just nuts.
This is what I was thinking. Like a really expensive power 9 proxi for those hyper dedicated EDH players who would like an "official proxy", steep price but I guess it could kinda make sense. But this, this is dumb
@@ProjectPTSheep given that Power 9 is widely banned in most playgroups, I would be amazed that people actually run them in their EDH decks, even if allowed.
WAIT WHAT I was honestly excited and ready to shell out a thousand bucks for the full set, thinking you get the full set in old border + 4 boosters which can contain new border versions. What the hell.
When I first saw this product I thought it was the whole set. I thought, "do I have $1000 for all 10 dual lands and a timetwister, cards I would love to play in commander? I could but it would be wildly unresponsible so probably not." Then I realized it was 4 packs and I am just blown away at how disconnected Wizards is from the majority of their players.
It just feels like one big game of "greater fool." I think nearly no one is planning to buy these packs, open them and then play with the cards they opened. If they wanted to do that, they could just spend a tiny amount of money on a proxy, or a huge amount of money on actual revised cards. Both are better than spending $999 to get random proxies. The only reason to buy this product is the hope that you'll be able to unload it on a greater fool down the line, who in turn hopes to unload it on a greater fool.
@@lightworker2956 the other reason to buy this product is because they will be collector's items. It's for the 30th anniversary and high price products automatically become "rarer" collectors' pieces because not many people will have the funds to buy this product so supply will be low. The collectors' market is one of the biggest reason alpha cards are so expensive so they created a collectors' product based around a collectors' product so they didn't actually solve anything.
I celebrated this announcement by upgrading the dual land proxies in my cube from a slip of paper I printed out in a sleeve with a basic land behind it straight to high quality proxies designed by an artist
Ive had this thought since before D&D set with the godzilla cards. I fear that the move towards collaboration products is proving that they are both having a hard time creating new ideas, and also getting hungry for more money. and thus drum up buzz by collaborating with other games that are admittedly bashing their original fanbases and desperately seeking new audiences. And with the social political direction Magic is choosing to go, it is likely we are starting to see one of those "get woke go broke" situations.
@@casualgoats well I sort of agree with you, but I’m just so hopeful (maybe too hopeful lol) that they’ll find their new direction. I mean, I didn’t have a problem with the DND sets since Wizards does own both games and there were a lot of people looking forwards to a crossover, and I did like a lot of the recent sets (for example Innistrad and Kamigaws were cool returns, the others I liked exempt most-like Capenna-felt too condensed). I just hope they can find themselves releasing cards like they used to, where they would be able to tell a good narrative over a multiple set block, and not have to release so many cards a year to get the public to buy them. Those are my only big issues right now honestly, the story which right now seems gone and the amount of shit cards they are releasing for the same expensive pricing. Maybe Dominaria United will help but only time will tell.
I stopped playing during war of the spark because I didn't like the direction things were going with the special japanese only alternate arts. And it's been a major downhill cash grab ever since. I am sooo glad I got out.
@@casualgoats no this is all signs that now wizards has Hasbro full backing and they are shoveling money to produce these products,,, basically they are covering production cost of all new products from now on ,,,so yeah it's not stopping anytime soon ,,,lol I don't even have enough money to play
Should have been the full set for 1000, or draft boxes for a reasonable price. Wotc must've hired the guy that pitched Diablo Immortal "What, you guys don't have $1,000?"
@Shores of Pluto "Gaming is really starting to suck" At the very least, please say "AAA Gaming". There are great games out there. Not all of gaming sucks, such a narrow minded view. 🙄
"We wanted a collectible, commemorative, jaw-dropping, mind-blowing thing that would cement itself in our collective memories..." Well guys, I'd say you succeeded.
I was at my lgs years ago and someone was gonna throw away a high quality proxy black lotus and mox sapphire, I asked what it was and he just gave them to me lol.
And eBay will also give much better odds on a real lotus for also a much lower price, lol. Like, seriously, 40 packs of this isn't remotely a guarantee for a lotus, and the price of that is about what an unlimited lotus goes for right now.
@@themonkeyhand Honey honey honey no…these things are gonna be a “crown jewel” of sorts in LGS for years to come. It’ll be the “cool product” no one actually buys but wants to look at until some really high roller comes in one day to buy it for themselves for way over $1k. Things are priced at what people are willing to pay and given the state of mtgfinance right now, people will definitely pay it
Genuinely, I think this is what finally broke me free of the collecting spell. I’m already thinking about how I’m going to sell off 80% of the cards I have outside of my decks and some staples.
Don’t miss out! This is your one chance to get this rare product that all the cool kids will have. You don’t want to be the only one without not-quite-legal pieces of cardboard.
Same. I sold off my collection in 95 and regret it to this day, started again during Ravnica. I really like having cards with "value", but damn, I feel like such a mark buying all this bullshit they're pushing for more and more money, it's absurd.
From some details on reddit and twitter, they may not have even secured all the legal rights to the art. There's a comment by Justin Hoover that he's "reaching out to WotC" in reference to a cease and desist over this, and it seems pretty clear they weren't even aware of this product before it was announced.
Ive been priced out of magic for a while, too many products, too hard to keep up with anymore, stuff like this just reinforces my decision to step back from buying physical product. I still love magic and play magic arena almost completely free to play, but the wallet fatigue is real for paper magic.
@@daftwulli6145 makes sense since the most powerful cards of the format can't be officially reprinted. Hopefully it's a testing of the waters and eventually the RL goes away and the new serialized and alt versions replace it one day
Collector's Edition and International Edition together had a total print run of 14,500 sets. I imagine that the 30th Ed. print run will be larger than that.
You love it, then buy it. If you're not buying it, ya don't love it. Or if you do, then you clearly enjoy being taken advantage of and disposed of like a used condom.
Can't wait for the professor's booster box challenge on these. It'll be the shortest yet! IMO there is no truer way, during a time of financial crisis, a company that reports record profits can do to celebrate 30 years of price gauging their customers.
@@raedien Gauging is the correct term here. This is not price gouging. This is not a necessary commodity in a time of crisis, it's a fucking card game that no one has to play. Players are bitching and moaning about WotC this and WotC that but we are the ones with our foot on the pedal. WE determine the prices by our purchasing decisions. If we refuse to buy this, they won't do it again. But when we inevitably buy every single one of these, we will only have ourselves to blame when they do it next time for $5000.
Worst thing about this is that they did a few cool things for 30th anniversary but this product is so ridiculous it totally overshadowed the good things, classic WotC.
You can pay $0.25 per card from proper proxy companies and you can request specific cards. So you don't have to worry about not opening a cards you want.
The nutso thing is that I was cheering the secret lair bc that’s average $5/card and I was actually looking for a Chrome Mox last weekend from trade in credit but lucked out now that they were out. But every single one of those is 100% commander legal. My LGS has a no proxy policy, so this is 100% a frustrating waste.
I will be honest I was thinking about going back and buying all the old school Pokemon cards that I grew up with and some of the new ones look so good I just don't know anything about the Pokemon market. I would love to get into it at some point and the rate Wizards is going I might be getting there soon.
@@nettlesomereflexion this is true, but my statement still applies, people that pay outrageous prices for cards that arent tournament legal are out of their minds, ofc this is just my opinion, which is worth less than proxies, so wtf do i know lol.
@@nettlesomereflexion Are you out of your mind? They're "worth a tonne of money" because WotC said so. Secondary markets will decide, based on the price of the product, that these reprints need to be worth something because otherwise there'd be no point purchasing them. The playable black lotus cards are expensive because of their power as a game piece and their genuine scarcity - they weren't printed with a price tag in the thousands, but their value comes from the shared concept and understanding that these pieces are just that special. The scarcity of these "collector edition" game pieces, which as a reminder aren't legal in sanctioned events, is artificial and intentional, based on the secondary market value of the real pieces. These might as well be forgeries sealed in packets that imitate the originals from the 90s. I'm sure some people will buy them, directly from wizards or second-hand, but at comical asking prices like $1000? What a waste that will be.
I been calling this for a while , they are going to get crazy with reprints and try and squeeze as much juice from the community than just go all digital .
@@b0xf0x13 For me it was war of the spark and all the modern reprint sets. Iconic masters, modern masters what ever other 5 fuckin sets they reprinted. Go figure WH40k pulled me back into the game. But I will be pretty much strictly commander from now on.
I hate to say it but I have to imagine this is going to be profitable for them. They keep moving in this direction so they must be getting feedback in the form of purchases that this is what some amount of people want. I agree it’s not a good thing though.
@@PhantasmalBlast with it being limited run I feel like its hard to not be profitable. its 1000 per 4 packs how expensive can the cardboard and ink rly be?
@@PhantasmalBlast they make money out of whales but the whales alone don’t sustain the market, the prices would drop of average player just abandon the game
@ Close. Whales do pretty much sustain the market. If the average player abandons the game, then the whales lose people to play against, and outside of collectors, there'd be no reason to buy those cards. That's the way it is in any whale-based economic structure. Non-whales are literally content for the whales, too.
@@nettlesomereflexion I can afford it and this is such a terrible value proposition that I'd rather buy 1000 dollars worth of glitter and have it delivered through your letter box, you greasy corporate bootlicker
@@nettlesomereflexion because; 1. They cost the same to produce as a standard set 2. They are proxies, and not tournament legal There are plenty of more reasons but I think those are the main reasons. I'm sure it doesn't help that these are reserved list cards either.
I wish wizards would print these in a contained set and print it into the ground. Jump start vintage would be so fun and they could do, like, white bordered cards again that are only legal in Jumpstart events or something. Feels like a whiff on all fronts, price, playability, collectibility, access, the works.
funny thing is I've always wanted wizards to make this product. I've dreamed about it for years and years. But I really didn't think it would cost this much. What the heck.
I keep checking the calendar for April 1st. It wasn't for Transformers, it wasn't April 1st when cosplayers would be awarded a JoAnn Fabrics Gift card. it wasn't April 1st today either. It wasn't April 1st when I visualized my upcoming commander game with Megatron vs. Frodo vs Chun-Li, vs The 11th Doctor partnered with the TARDIS. I am so unenthused about anything magic right now, let see how easy it is to cancel my Vegas 30 tickets.
Old School players accept the CE/IE versions in decks (except the cheeky Swedes I think) which acts as another channel to keep the price up. Most groups won't accept these versions because they use the new border and they fear change or accessibility. Instead of proxies, my route to get a power 9 set is through artist proofs. Rush's daughter painted me a lotus on the back of ur-Drago. Amy Webber did Time Walk on the back of a card. I got all the moxen from Dan Frazier and he added dragons to the jewels to spice them up. Less than a grand total so far and it all goes directly to the artists while I get a custom card directly from them.
@@WhiteBorderMTG I saw that after. Being at work I couldn't look at the official WotC site so I finally found it on Twitter after a while. I only saw the duals being old border though (which now makes the "double the number of duals" make sense)
What do you want to bet there's a "printing error" on a ridiculously small printing of these that sees them with the official backing and seeing them become playable.
@Sid The sloth exactly, I mean hell I have a proxy of Bayou that is much darker than the original printing and has the proxy maker's logo in the bottom right corner, my old group didn't care about it at all and let me use it, not to mention that if you touch it out of the sleeve it's actually pretty sticky
i think you're missing the point... look at how valuable the collector's edition cards are. these are an "investment." there's very little play value in this edition. you buy this to horde and sell later to another nut. they're not proxies, they're not even magic cards.
@@nettlesomereflexion sealed playable product is an investment, the original collector's editions where you have a full set of the cards are an investment, this is wizards testing the upper bounds on what they can get away with
@@poolfuhrer while i agree that this is a product wotc is using to gauge interest (which i'm guessing is very high and will continue), i still don't understand the vitriol.
I do not spend more than $15 on a single. with only one recent exception, I don't really buy overly expensive packs. the worst i would go was commander decks. (I broke to support a game store my friend likes and bought Commander Collection Black to support that store more than to actually run myself broke for a toxic deluge.)
Magic is so expensive. As an example. I sold my cards (aside from some edh decks) and started playing pokemon again. I was able to buy many, many, many, decks in standard, expanded, GLC, and bling the decks out for a quarter of the price I sold my mtg cards for. Wizards and Hasbro are too greedy now days
Jesus, thank God I don't buy cardboard anymore, and print my proxies for my commander decks instead. Just remember guys, you can put together any deck you want for about $10 or less by printing proxies if you don't have your own printer
I guess it is easier to explain in my LGS about my cool full art foil Tropical Island that costed me 5 bucks, than to explain about a plain Tropical Island that looks ripped out of mtgo and coats about as much s a real trop.
with this move from wotc i don't see any difference to buy from them or the Ebay guy my thoughts on this is "WHY?" cuz they just make proxy a "good" thing to have now
@@hydracollector3588 i mean, they aren't making proxies a "good thing", they are explicitly saying these will not be tournament legal, and going the extra mile updating the card frame and font to ensure you cannot pass these as the old collectors edition cards. They are just making the most blantant and gynormous cash grab ever, basically offering useless art prints for a grand. If it was just the power 9 and the 10 duals for a grand? Maybe. At least you have some cool "original" proxies. But as a random thing that 94.7% of the time will backfire on you, i will stick to my cool foil Trop
Calling my shot now - in a year they'll tell us "in honor of the overwhelming reception to the 30th anniversary product, we listened to feedback and have a new anniversary product that will come every year" it'll contain real chase cards instead of proxies, along with reserve list reprints too.
Realistically it would need to be 3-5k for a booster box, just to keep it in line with other premium collectible products. Ultimate collection by upper deck is 200 for a 4 card pack. Stature is 220 a pack 8 cards a pack.
@@deleteduser6074 At last a realistic comment! This is a completely optionnal collectible (Not playable) product, you won't miss anything gameplay wise if you don't buy it and anyone wanting ultra collectible stuff can get it.
The only sense I can make out of this is that WOTC is trying to push some legal precedent of reprinting reserved list cards. They skirt closer and closer to actual reprints without "actually reprinting" until they get so close that an "actual reprint" won't get them in any real trouble. But then again, I have no idea how the legal part of the reserved list works. Could just be a cash grab.
Things that would sell for $999 right of the shelf and also make sense for players: * Draftable booster box with those proxies * A full set of those proxies (1 of each variant and card) * 4 boosters of actually reprinted cards from reserve list * a set of OG duals, 1 of each * I don't know, set of basic lands from Alpha reprinted? I think we can continue the list even further but somehow WotC decided to do this bullshit instead, literally the only thing that would never make it to that list.
@Shores of Pluto Imagine being the decision makers at WotC and a) removing the only incentive you can provide people *not* to proxy (the promise of sanctioned tournaments with a professional-level payout structure that you can only play with real cards) and b) implicitly endorse proxies by printing official versions of RL cards, but price them out of everyone’s accessibility. If you were trying to drive people into buying counterfeit cards you couldn’t plan a better way to do it.
I feel like most of those "displays" (as it is hard to call them booster boxes even for WotC) will remain sealed for years, they are worth more when you don't know that you got a bunch of draft chaff proxies with ugly logo. And people will buy them only to resale them as sealed collector's item.
This is really a 25th anniversary set. We get to experience what it was like to find an alpha booster 25 years ago when no one thought they would recover their cost.
They're not drunk on greed, they're drunk on suffering and require funds to keep going. there's a few people who've put videos out there on the supply and demand. basically they're making to much to fast, quality is down and with the inflation? recipe for disaster, more to it than what's stated above but yes... they're dying.
In CanLander, you are allowed 10 proxies in your deck, so I don't know anyone out here who's going to paying $1000usd for this product, when you can just press print.
huh... i wonder how much this will tank the price of the old collectors set. i have a complete set that is a really nice collectors item, but i wonder if this will degrade their value?
That was my HUGE regret. Regular boxes, great value for me as a newish player. Wish they would’ve just done set boosters though. Not making the mistake of buying proxies.
I'm a new player and thought those were something I should buy :( I have no idea what's valuable or what I should purchase for the game. Right now I just get precons for fun
Do Wizards employees feel good about themselves? Like do they go home and are proud of their work they do? Or is it more like insurance salesman where they know they are dirtbags but money
If this was like $100, I would definitely buy. Even at that price it’s steep but it’s a lot more justifiable. I don’t see how this going to sell well at all.
Every box will sell. Because of course they will. There are people out there with the finances to buy this purely due to the scarcity. Mark my words, not a single box will remain unsold.
2:08 point of order, it's everything from Beta. They made sure to use that wording when announcing it, I think because alpha was missing one of the dual lands.
Why...why would anyone buy this? If all of the desirable cards are exactly the same as an index card with BLCAK LOTUS on it in sharpie? Obviously there will be a market for it as the existing gold border lotuses etc go for thousands of dollars, but....*why??* I guarantee you you can get proxies you'll like more than this from MPC for a miniscule fraction of the cost.
You know what would've been a really cool 30th Anniversary celebration? If they reprinted non-tournament legal (because, y'know, Reserved List) but FULLY DRAFTABLE Alpha boosters, so fans of the game that joined over the last 30 years could experience what it was like to play at the very beginning. Of course, since they wouldn't be tournament legal and no new card design work needs to go into them, the packs could be cheap, maybe even cheaper than a normal draft set -- which would also help everyone get in on the celebration, even people who aren't normally into limited play! Wait, hang on, that's exactly what they did... except they priced it at $750 per draft.
I think this may actually be the first step in getting rid of the reserved list. This is giving me Fetch Land Secret Lair vibes all over again. Go for the whales first: sell stupidly expensive versions of cards people have been desperate for until the market stabilizes. Then put them in collector/not as stupidly expensive packs until the market stabilizes. Then finally put them in regular packs of a premium set (like Modern Horizons) until the market stabilizes. Doing it this way means everyone eventually gets what they want and WotC maximizes profits by appealing to the whales first. This product feels like an extreme version of just that. Down the road, we may see similar prints in rare occurrences in some future collector booster. And then finally, put them in another Eternal Masters set. If the secondary market prices hold up on these proxies, it shows a precedence for "reserved list" cards, and if these prices are at or above the tourney-legal counterparts, it could potentially be worth the financial risk to finally drop the RL and truly reprint the cards. I'm not saying this practice is a good thing: in fact, I think the is the most transparently greedy thing WotC has ever done.
Ima be real, i say fuck the collectors markett. Reprint things so people can actually play them in decks that could use them and if not then make the 30 year cards legal. Hell, everyone uses single or double sleeves anyway, there is no way to see the back of the card.
This was an awesome opportunity to introduce newer players with a set of proxies of the reserve list for a low price but they decided another premium collectors items is what the want to celebrate their 30th anniversary.
I'm looking at Weakness right now and I can't find anything wrong with it. I know why they get their panties in a knot over Crusade and Earthbind, and no one wants the ante cards anyways. But Weakness? What am I missing?
This is kind of crazy. I know lots of people spend a lot more on magic than me, but this is basically the amount of cardboard I get when I go to FNM, but I could go to almost a year of FNMs. The cards might be stronger cards but it's not like they have to get expensive inks or something to print a lotus or a dual land, it's the same as a bulk rare to the printer.
I clicked the video and started searching for a black lotus secret laer expecting a few hundred bucks and was curious what else was included. God I wish it was April 1st or my guess was right.
When I first saw the news, I thought it was $999 for the complete set and felt it was expensive for a set of proxies. $999 for 4 boosters of random cards is just nuts.
This is what I was thinking. Like a really expensive power 9 proxi for those hyper dedicated EDH players who would like an "official proxy", steep price but I guess it could kinda make sense. But this, this is dumb
@@ProjectPTSheep given that Power 9 is widely banned in most playgroups, I would be amazed that people actually run them in their EDH decks, even if allowed.
Random PROXIES, not even legitimate Magic cards usable in a sanctioned game. For $1,000.
999 should get a full powered vintage cube in proxies,
WAIT WHAT
I was honestly excited and ready to shell out a thousand bucks for the full set, thinking you get the full set in old border + 4 boosters which can contain new border versions. What the hell.
Even if I don’t play in tournaments, the idea of “non tournament legal” just sounds like it should be a cheaper product.
Don't say this. You'll give them ideas. Same product but real not proxy, double the price. 😵
"To celebrate 30 years of Magic, we decided only the rich may participate".
Rich AND stupid. The average rich person will look at this and laugh.
totally agree
@@proteincannon Agreed. Unless you're a scalper, no sane rich person is going to buy this crap.
So Magic then? Lol
same laugh that people who bought into CE are laughing?
When I first saw this product I thought it was the whole set. I thought, "do I have $1000 for all 10 dual lands and a timetwister, cards I would love to play in commander? I could but it would be wildly unresponsible so probably not." Then I realized it was 4 packs and I am just blown away at how disconnected Wizards is from the majority of their players.
It just feels like one big game of "greater fool." I think nearly no one is planning to buy these packs, open them and then play with the cards they opened. If they wanted to do that, they could just spend a tiny amount of money on a proxy, or a huge amount of money on actual revised cards. Both are better than spending $999 to get random proxies.
The only reason to buy this product is the hope that you'll be able to unload it on a greater fool down the line, who in turn hopes to unload it on a greater fool.
@@lightworker2956 the other reason to buy this product is because they will be collector's items. It's for the 30th anniversary and high price products automatically become "rarer" collectors' pieces because not many people will have the funds to buy this product so supply will be low. The collectors' market is one of the biggest reason alpha cards are so expensive so they created a collectors' product based around a collectors' product so they didn't actually solve anything.
They can't hear us over the sound of all the $$$$$ they're making.
this doesn't just miss the mark it misses the mark then travels around the whole world so it can miss the mark a second time
It seems live it even travels around the Universe(s Beyond) and couldn’t hit the mark with GPS guidance.
Except the earth is flat. Wake up, Globie
Honestly this hits the market, 100% bullseye. So excited for this.
@@FriarPop then you're the problem
It doesn't miss the Mark Rosewater tho, that's what counts 🤡
Imagine spending 999$ and get Animate wall, Force of nature, Pirate ship and Lord of the Pit as your rare that you can't even use in a tournament.
There are 5 Laces that laugh at the value of those cards.
I hope this happens to everyone that buys this product.
force of nature and lord of the pit are pretty iconic cards at least. personally, i can't wait to rip a bunch of thoughtlace proxies.
@@BeefSalsaa I second this 😂 this is the most outrageous thing wizards has done that I can remember
Savannah lion was a rare in alpha, fucking imagien opening a $250 booster and your rare being a pauper unplayable…
I celebrated this announcement by upgrading the dual land proxies in my cube from a slip of paper I printed out in a sleeve with a basic land behind it straight to high quality proxies designed by an artist
There are better proxy products at much better prices
I have a proxy play set of each dual land in 3 different arts and it cost me $30. Blow your money psychos.
I’ve always wanted a fake black lotus!
@@zillawith3zs234 from where?
🤣
Most blatant cash grab I've ever seen!!! Thanks for making this video!
Wholeheartedly agreed. I used to get on Konami's case about how they treat Yu-Gi-Oh! but this???
Konami looks like a charity now!
Do you blame them? I’d do the same thing they needed to make up for these the terrible sets
If I can afford $999, I would get a Gaea's Cradle instead.
they're reprinting that next
If I can afford 999 im getting some onslaught fetches
If i can afford that, I would put it stones instead of cardboard.
I'm building 10+ Digimon decks.
i can get a model for that for one night
I'm truly scared for magic and its future if this is the "new" direction they are heading in. Especially given all the blunders they have had lately
Ive had this thought since before D&D set with the godzilla cards. I fear that the move towards collaboration products is proving that they are both having a hard time creating new ideas, and also getting hungry for more money. and thus drum up buzz by collaborating with other games that are admittedly bashing their original fanbases and desperately seeking new audiences. And with the social political direction Magic is choosing to go, it is likely we are starting to see one of those "get woke go broke" situations.
@@casualgoats well I sort of agree with you, but I’m just so hopeful (maybe too hopeful lol) that they’ll find their new direction. I mean, I didn’t have a problem with the DND sets since Wizards does own both games and there were a lot of people looking forwards to a crossover, and I did like a lot of the recent sets (for example Innistrad and Kamigaws were cool returns, the others I liked exempt most-like Capenna-felt too condensed). I just hope they can find themselves releasing cards like they used to, where they would be able to tell a good narrative over a multiple set block, and not have to release so many cards a year to get the public to buy them. Those are my only big issues right now honestly, the story which right now seems gone and the amount of shit cards they are releasing for the same expensive pricing. Maybe Dominaria United will help but only time will tell.
I stopped playing during war of the spark because I didn't like the direction things were going with the special japanese only alternate arts. And it's been a major downhill cash grab ever since. I am sooo glad I got out.
It’s like how much money can we squeeze out of are players with stupid bull sh*t
@@casualgoats no this is all signs that now wizards has Hasbro full backing and they are shoveling money to produce these products,,, basically they are covering production cost of all new products from now on ,,,so yeah it's not stopping anytime soon ,,,lol I don't even have enough money to play
Should have been the full set for 1000, or draft boxes for a reasonable price. Wotc must've hired the guy that pitched Diablo Immortal "What, you guys don't have $1,000?"
even a full set of legal cards for that price would be a rip off. the secondary market bubble is not an accurate way to evaluate value.
If this had been just a regular booster box, aka a reasonable chance of opening P9, and not priced much higher than one either, I'd love it.
@Shores of Pluto "Gaming is really starting to suck" At the very least, please say "AAA Gaming". There are great games out there. Not all of gaming sucks, such a narrow minded view. 🙄
@Shores of Pluto I'm just sick of everyone saying that "gaming is dying/dead". Bullshit.
I’d have bought one and framed it.
"We wanted a collectible, commemorative, jaw-dropping, mind-blowing thing that would cement itself in our collective memories..."
Well guys, I'd say you succeeded.
They forgot Rage Inducing 😵
Can’t wait to get a Lifelace, Farmstead, Disrupting Scepter and Kudzu.
Now for the low low price of 999 dollars, you too can buy the chance to maybe get a proxy black lotus.
This will make the proxy market boom!
I was at my lgs years ago and someone was gonna throw away a high quality proxy black lotus and mox sapphire, I asked what it was and he just gave them to me lol.
MPC will sell me a proxy lotus for much less, and with a 100% drop rate :P
And eBay will also give much better odds on a real lotus for also a much lower price, lol.
Like, seriously, 40 packs of this isn't remotely a guarantee for a lotus, and the price of that is about what an unlimited lotus goes for right now.
Great tweet about it:
“Do you want to spend 800 dollars on a real Underground Sea or 999 dollars for a chance for a fake one?”
Now I'm just waiting for those "I bought the anniversary edition and got a pile of bulk" videos
50% of these will be opened by UA-camrs, 10% by Giga-Chads, and the other 40% will be in Walmart Bargain Boxes in 2 years.
Is it really a pile of bulk if it's only 60 cards? That's like, a jumble of bulk at best.
@@themonkeyhand Honey honey honey no…these things are gonna be a “crown jewel” of sorts in LGS for years to come. It’ll be the “cool product” no one actually buys but wants to look at until some really high roller comes in one day to buy it for themselves for way over $1k. Things are priced at what people are willing to pay and given the state of mtgfinance right now, people will definitely pay it
If WotC ever delivers them
“I spent $1000 and I got a Thoughtlace…”
For the authentic "Alpha" experience Volcanic Island is not included in the set and you can open a basic Island in your rare slot.
Genuinely, I think this is what finally broke me free of the collecting spell. I’m already thinking about how I’m going to sell off 80% of the cards I have outside of my decks and some staples.
I'll proxy all my commander decks from now on. Gonna save me from stupidly spending about 500+ € each month.
Selling for cheap so we can play? 😁
Don’t miss out! This is your one chance to get this rare product that all the cool kids will have. You don’t want to be the only one without not-quite-legal pieces of cardboard.
Same. I sold off my collection in 95 and regret it to this day, started again during Ravnica. I really like having cards with "value", but damn, I feel like such a mark buying all this bullshit they're pushing for more and more money, it's absurd.
I’d cation you to wait to sell buy lists are very low sell once the recession ends if you can afford to wait
Me in the first minute: "this is the closest I'll get to owning these cards"
Me after Vince mentioned the price: "NEVER-F******-MIND!"
Wait, am I missing something? Is this $1,000 for non-tournament-legal cards?
Yes.
Ya got that right Steve. It’s a big nothing burger.
This is a $1,000 nostalgia cash grab in proxy form.
And they are randomized. Never mind all the basic land and tokens that eat up the slots in those 60 cards, but you might even pull a llanowar elves!
For EDH
From some details on reddit and twitter, they may not have even secured all the legal rights to the art. There's a comment by Justin Hoover that he's "reaching out to WotC" in reference to a cease and desist over this, and it seems pretty clear they weren't even aware of this product before it was announced.
anyone handing wizards 1000$ for proxies is stupid same goes for buying this on the secondary market.
Ive been priced out of magic for a while, too many products, too hard to keep up with anymore, stuff like this just reinforces my decision to step back from buying physical product. I still love magic and play magic arena almost completely free to play, but the wallet fatigue is real for paper magic.
Just get proxies man. Its so cheap and just as good. Any casual game doesn’t care if they’re “official” anyways since you’re just there to have fun
this is absolutely insane... i sincerely hope nobody buys this
You serious? Mtgfinance scalpers are gonna buy all of these.
It's going to sell out instantly.....for proxies 🤣
cope
@@metalplaysgames the 93/94 community might welcome those as legal cards they did so with collectors edition
@@daftwulli6145 makes sense since the most powerful cards of the format can't be officially reprinted. Hopefully it's a testing of the waters and eventually the RL goes away and the new serialized and alt versions replace it one day
Collector's Edition and International Edition together had a total print run of 14,500 sets. I imagine that the 30th Ed. print run will be larger than that.
Absolute CHAD move.
$1000 for a proxy pack that doesn't guarantee a hit. I love it. A whopping 60 cards. Token and Basics included.
Amazin.
It's so great how you can get trash rares, tokens, and basic lands 😄
@@butHomeisNowhere___ I mean buy a pack of Alpha and the rares are sometimes basics so they are just making things like they used to be!
@@majinshinsa Wow! A realistic 1992 experience!
I should open these packs while listening to Alice in Chains 😂
You love it, then buy it. If you're not buying it, ya don't love it. Or if you do, then you clearly enjoy being taken advantage of and disposed of like a used condom.
@@mindlightwave you say that like it’s a bad thing
Can't wait for the professor's booster box challenge on these. It'll be the shortest yet! IMO there is no truer way, during a time of financial crisis, a company that reports record profits can do to celebrate 30 years of price gauging their customers.
Gouging*
@@raedien no they're gauging how much people are willing to part with
The price gouging is out of control. I wonder how many people will die without access to gold-bordered Lotuses.
I can't imagine the prof would be willing to support this slap in the face.
@@raedien Gauging is the correct term here. This is not price gouging. This is not a necessary commodity in a time of crisis, it's a fucking card game that no one has to play.
Players are bitching and moaning about WotC this and WotC that but we are the ones with our foot on the pedal. WE determine the prices by our purchasing decisions. If we refuse to buy this, they won't do it again. But when we inevitably buy every single one of these, we will only have ourselves to blame when they do it next time for $5000.
Worst thing about this is that they did a few cool things for 30th anniversary but this product is so ridiculous it totally overshadowed the good things, classic WotC.
I'm totally going to proxy these proxies.
This is exactly what I wanted them to do for years, they just accidentally forgot to put the dot behind the first nine for the price (9.99.-)
I think this has cemented the end of me buying new products. Singles only from here on out. Gonna take my $1000 and buy a good laser printer...
You can pay $0.25 per card from proper proxy companies and you can request specific cards. So you don't have to worry about not opening a cards you want.
@@proteincannon Got a link? I havent seen proxies that cheap and would be interested
@@dist0rti0n81 I second that.
@@proteincannon Yeah seriously, quit holding out.
@@proteincannon ...well?
A dual land is a dual land, but the mystery booster could contain anything! Even a dual land! You know how much I've wanted one of those!
I wonder if WOTC has employee shirts with the tagline "This product is not for you" printed on the front and back.
The nutso thing is that I was cheering the secret lair bc that’s average $5/card and I was actually looking for a Chrome Mox last weekend from trade in credit but lucked out now that they were out. But every single one of those is 100% commander legal. My LGS has a no proxy policy, so this is 100% a frustrating waste.
Thanks to Wizards, I've lost interest in the game as a whole in the past year. But found my love for the pokemon tcg and legos all over again.
Whatever Pokemon are doing is working, cards retain value, are relatively easily obtainable and provide a pretty well balanced metagame.
LEGO ftw, hope the rumor of LOTR sets returning is true
I will be honest I was thinking about going back and buying all the old school Pokemon cards that I grew up with and some of the new ones look so good I just don't know anything about the Pokemon market. I would love to get into it at some point and the rate Wizards is going I might be getting there soon.
I've had the opposite effect in that they've helped me realize collecting anything is a huge waste of time and money.
Just play casual commander with cheap decks (under 100€/$) and the fun will come back.
I can't wait for this to come out before the Heads I Win, Tails You Lose deck
Ok, this, THIS is the product where I can finally say: whoever buys this is insane
Welcome to the club brethren 💪🏾
More like completely stupid, officially licensed proxies are still proxies, are they not?
except the 93 CE “proxies” are worth a ton of money….
@@nettlesomereflexion this is true, but my statement still applies, people that pay outrageous prices for cards that arent tournament legal are out of their minds, ofc this is just my opinion, which is worth less than proxies, so wtf do i know lol.
@@nettlesomereflexion Are you out of your mind? They're "worth a tonne of money" because WotC said so. Secondary markets will decide, based on the price of the product, that these reprints need to be worth something because otherwise there'd be no point purchasing them. The playable black lotus cards are expensive because of their power as a game piece and their genuine scarcity - they weren't printed with a price tag in the thousands, but their value comes from the shared concept and understanding that these pieces are just that special. The scarcity of these "collector edition" game pieces, which as a reminder aren't legal in sanctioned events, is artificial and intentional, based on the secondary market value of the real pieces. These might as well be forgeries sealed in packets that imitate the originals from the 90s. I'm sure some people will buy them, directly from wizards or second-hand, but at comical asking prices like $1000? What a waste that will be.
I been calling this for a while , they are going to get crazy with reprints and try and squeeze as much juice from the community than just go all digital .
Is it that Hasbro is making a few last money grabs before their cardboard equivalent of a puppy mill goes up in the flames of their greed?
This is what it feels like... last feeble attempt to bleed a dying game dry.
Ive read before that having multiple crossovers is a sign that a game is dying. Seeing all the UB news worries me
It's because they are run by a bunch of Woke ivory tower ideologues who are out of touch with reality
literally every company is doing this, the financial system is in a death spiral
In other news, (and good news to boot!) I just noticed that Vince is over 100k subs! Hell yes King! I see you out here! 🎉
Their greed can never be sated. They will keep pushing the line, this won't even seem surprising in three years time.
exactly. it will be even worse in 5 years
And as long as people keep fucking buying into this bull shit and standard they'll keep doing it.
It's not surprising now.
I saw this shit coming when Modern Masters originally hit. Haven't given them money since.
@@b0xf0x13 For me it was war of the spark and all the modern reprint sets. Iconic masters, modern masters what ever other 5 fuckin sets they reprinted. Go figure WH40k pulled me back into the game. But I will be pretty much strictly commander from now on.
Congratulations players/collectors/stores, you have created the monster.
There’s such a disconnect between the company and the fans… just like every other game I guess.
I hate to say it but I have to imagine this is going to be profitable for them. They keep moving in this direction so they must be getting feedback in the form of purchases that this is what some amount of people want. I agree it’s not a good thing though.
@@PhantasmalBlast with it being limited run I feel like its hard to not be profitable. its 1000 per 4 packs how expensive can the cardboard and ink rly be?
just like politics. the disconnect is so real
@@PhantasmalBlast they make money out of whales but the whales alone don’t sustain the market, the prices would drop of average player just abandon the game
@ Close. Whales do pretty much sustain the market. If the average player abandons the game, then the whales lose people to play against, and outside of collectors, there'd be no reason to buy those cards. That's the way it is in any whale-based economic structure. Non-whales are literally content for the whales, too.
I might legit quit magic over this. I never thought principles mattered enough to me but I’m feeling something about this…
Wizards has lost the plot. 1000 dollars for 4 packs of proxies? Give your head a shake.
lmao because you can't afford it?
@@nettlesomereflexion I can afford it and this is such a terrible value proposition that I'd rather buy 1000 dollars worth of glitter and have it delivered through your letter box, you greasy corporate bootlicker
@@nettlesomereflexion because;
1. They cost the same to produce as a standard set
2. They are proxies, and not tournament legal
There are plenty of more reasons but I think those are the main reasons. I'm sure it doesn't help that these are reserved list cards either.
@@nettlesomereflexion why would you want to? Just buy third party proxies for less than 1% the price. They are still proxies
@@Wicked_Carnifex these aren't proxies smh
This just feels cruel and bewildering. Who do they expect to buy this product?
Edit: It's only FOUR booster packs? What the hell man
WOTC not acknowledging the secondary market … 😂
I have been waiting. For months for Wizards to make a big enough mistake that people wake up, and this is it.
Exactly.
Could have been a $4 booster pack and this would have sold have hot cakes!
it'll definitely still sell out
The print run will be way smaller though
@@nettlesomereflexion thats not a good thing. nor is is an excuse.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 feeling entitled to every single thing hasbro makes isn't healthy
Honestly it would have sold like hotcakes at $15. You wouldn't have been able to pay me to not draft it.
Next year, Secret Lairs for the Power Nine, in gold border, for $1000 per card
I wish wizards would print these in a contained set and print it into the ground. Jump start vintage would be so fun and they could do, like, white bordered cards again that are only legal in Jumpstart events or something. Feels like a whiff on all fronts, price, playability, collectibility, access, the works.
Man reserve list jumpstart could be fantastic.
I can see it now. Noobs buying a jumpstart vintage box to learn the game and they start slamming black lotus's down on each other
Jumpstart deserves to not exist.
It's not exactly a fun format to be honest
The only way the booster box game goes more than one box is if he gets old border power 9
funny thing is I've always wanted wizards to make this product. I've dreamed about it for years and years. But I really didn't think it would cost this much. What the heck.
I laughed so hard at the price tag… and when you revealed what was actually in it… and just at wizards in general this entire video
I keep checking the calendar for April 1st. It wasn't for Transformers, it wasn't April 1st when cosplayers would be awarded a JoAnn Fabrics Gift card. it wasn't April 1st today either. It wasn't April 1st when I visualized my upcoming commander game with Megatron vs. Frodo vs Chun-Li, vs The 11th Doctor partnered with the TARDIS.
I am so unenthused about anything magic right now, let see how easy it is to cancel my Vegas 30 tickets.
Old School players accept the CE/IE versions in decks (except the cheeky Swedes I think) which acts as another channel to keep the price up. Most groups won't accept these versions because they use the new border and they fear change or accessibility.
Instead of proxies, my route to get a power 9 set is through artist proofs. Rush's daughter painted me a lotus on the back of ur-Drago. Amy Webber did Time Walk on the back of a card. I got all the moxen from Dan Frazier and he added dragons to the jewels to spice them up. Less than a grand total so far and it all goes directly to the artists while I get a custom card directly from them.
Brilliant!
There are old border versions in the packs
damn, thats rad
@@WhiteBorderMTG I saw that after. Being at work I couldn't look at the official WotC site so I finally found it on Twitter after a while.
I only saw the duals being old border though (which now makes the "double the number of duals" make sense)
What do you want to bet there's a "printing error" on a ridiculously small printing of these that sees them with the official backing and seeing them become playable.
I think this does it for me, I think I would be happier and better off just getting Etsy products
Got a set of Japanese style duals off there, super nice
@Sid The sloth exactly, I mean hell I have a proxy of Bayou that is much darker than the original printing and has the proxy maker's logo in the bottom right corner, my old group didn't care about it at all and let me use it, not to mention that if you touch it out of the sleeve it's actually pretty sticky
i think you're missing the point... look at how valuable the collector's edition cards are. these are an "investment." there's very little play value in this edition. you buy this to horde and sell later to another nut. they're not proxies, they're not even magic cards.
@@nettlesomereflexion sealed playable product is an investment, the original collector's editions where you have a full set of the cards are an investment, this is wizards testing the upper bounds on what they can get away with
@@poolfuhrer while i agree that this is a product wotc is using to gauge interest (which i'm guessing is very high and will continue), i still don't understand the vitriol.
If only there was a website that let you WISH for proxys that look like the cards
My friend ALI can get you some on the cheap with EXPRESS shipping!
l'ETSY what all the hubbub is about proxy acquisition!
"Skipping over a small fish" when your not quite yet jumping the shark.
Thanks Vince, I'm stealing that.
I do not spend more than $15 on a single.
with only one recent exception, I don't really buy overly expensive packs. the worst i would go was commander decks. (I broke to support a game store my friend likes and bought Commander Collection Black to support that store more than to actually run myself broke for a toxic deluge.)
Magic is so expensive. As an example. I sold my cards (aside from some edh decks) and started playing pokemon again. I was able to buy many, many, many, decks in standard, expanded, GLC, and bling the decks out for a quarter of the price I sold my mtg cards for. Wizards and Hasbro are too greedy now days
Jesus, thank God I don't buy cardboard anymore, and print my proxies for my commander decks instead. Just remember guys, you can put together any deck you want for about $10 or less by printing proxies if you don't have your own printer
I guess it is easier to explain in my LGS about my cool full art foil Tropical Island that costed me 5 bucks, than to explain about a plain Tropical Island that looks ripped out of mtgo and coats about as much s a real trop.
with this move from wotc i don't see any difference to buy from them or the Ebay guy
my thoughts on this is "WHY?" cuz they just make proxy a "good" thing to have now
@@hydracollector3588 i mean, they aren't making proxies a "good thing", they are explicitly saying these will not be tournament legal, and going the extra mile updating the card frame and font to ensure you cannot pass these as the old collectors edition cards.
They are just making the most blantant and gynormous cash grab ever, basically offering useless art prints for a grand.
If it was just the power 9 and the 10 duals for a grand? Maybe. At least you have some cool "original" proxies.
But as a random thing that 94.7% of the time will backfire on you, i will stick to my cool foil Trop
Hell, the proxy guys are doing it better than WOTC nowadays anyways. Lmao. I like my foils flat anyways.
Calling my shot now - in a year they'll tell us "in honor of the overwhelming reception to the 30th anniversary product, we listened to feedback and have a new anniversary product that will come every year" it'll contain real chase cards instead of proxies, along with reserve list reprints too.
Could have at least made it a box worth so it could be drafted or the entire set like the original collector’s edition which was $50.
I would love to draft Vintage Masters
Realistically it would need to be 3-5k for a booster box, just to keep it in line with other premium collectible products.
Ultimate collection by upper deck is 200 for a 4 card pack.
Stature is 220 a pack 8 cards a pack.
you don´t want to draft this set believe me
It’d be nice if everything is free in the world, but it isn’t. Lol
@@deleteduser6074 At last a realistic comment! This is a completely optionnal collectible (Not playable) product, you won't miss anything gameplay wise if you don't buy it and anyone wanting ultra collectible stuff can get it.
The only sense I can make out of this is that WOTC is trying to push some legal precedent of reprinting reserved list cards. They skirt closer and closer to actual reprints without "actually reprinting" until they get so close that an "actual reprint" won't get them in any real trouble.
But then again, I have no idea how the legal part of the reserved list works. Could just be a cash grab.
This news really turns me off of M:tG. I think my collection is now officially big enough...
Things that would sell for $999 right of the shelf and also make sense for players:
* Draftable booster box with those proxies
* A full set of those proxies (1 of each variant and card)
* 4 boosters of actually reprinted cards from reserve list
* a set of OG duals, 1 of each
* I don't know, set of basic lands from Alpha reprinted?
I think we can continue the list even further but somehow WotC decided to do this bullshit instead, literally the only thing that would never make it to that list.
We should just collectively start playing full proxy vintage and ignore official event rules.
Do it.
not just vintage, every format.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I mean, with WotC removing most tournament support, there’s not much they can say about it anymore
@Shores of Pluto Imagine being the decision makers at WotC and
a) removing the only incentive you can provide people *not* to proxy (the promise of sanctioned tournaments with a professional-level payout structure that you can only play with real cards)
and
b) implicitly endorse proxies by printing official versions of RL cards, but price them out of everyone’s accessibility.
If you were trying to drive people into buying counterfeit cards you couldn’t plan a better way to do it.
We should just play flesh and blood
I feel like most of those "displays" (as it is hard to call them booster boxes even for WotC) will remain sealed for years, they are worth more when you don't know that you got a bunch of draft chaff proxies with ugly logo.
And people will buy them only to resale them as sealed collector's item.
People can't pay for gas to drive or to warm their houses these days and WOTC comes out with this shit?!?!
This is really a 25th anniversary set. We get to experience what it was like to find an alpha booster 25 years ago when no one thought they would recover their cost.
Wizards are basically drunk on greed. $1000 for proxies, which is basically them flipping off their player base.
They're not drunk on greed, they're drunk on suffering and require funds to keep going.
there's a few people who've put videos out there on the supply and demand.
basically they're making to much to fast, quality is down and with the inflation?
recipe for disaster, more to it than what's stated above but yes...
they're dying.
The Professor's unboxing video is gonna be nuts lol
How short will the video, you reckon?
@@johnraymonddones1363 depends on if he actually does one, or just does a fake out video where he talks about how awful WotC is for 10 minutes lol
In CanLander, you are allowed 10 proxies in your deck, so I don't know anyone out here who's going to paying $1000usd for this product, when you can just press print.
huh... i wonder how much this will tank the price of the old collectors set. i have a complete set that is a really nice collectors item, but i wonder if this will degrade their value?
I thought they were pushing it with the cost of double masters collectors box but this is insane.
That was my HUGE regret. Regular boxes, great value for me as a newish player. Wish they would’ve just done set boosters though. Not making the mistake of buying proxies.
I'm a new player and thought those were something I should buy :(
I have no idea what's valuable or what I should purchase for the game. Right now I just get precons for fun
Do Wizards employees feel good about themselves? Like do they go home and are proud of their work they do? Or is it more like insurance salesman where they know they are dirtbags but money
If this was like $100, I would definitely buy. Even at that price it’s steep but it’s a lot more justifiable. I don’t see how this going to sell well at all.
Every box will sell. Because of course they will. There are people out there with the finances to buy this purely due to the scarcity. Mark my words, not a single box will remain unsold.
@@TaskMaster5 Yeah this will definitely sell out. I’d rather buy $1000 worth of regular Magic product personally.
100usd to have a real feeling lotus? Hell ya, everyone at my local would have a lotus in their commander deck just to say they had it!
@@SatinFoxx it's not even guaranteed, it's $1000 per 4 packs. For a CHANCE.
@@LoxeBi exactly! Fucking crazy!
This is the most disgusting cash grab in the history of MTG.
That moment when u realise the “Celebration” is only for Hasbro
2:08
point of order, it's everything from Beta. They made sure to use that wording when announcing it, I think because alpha was missing one of the dual lands.
Why...why would anyone buy this? If all of the desirable cards are exactly the same as an index card with BLCAK LOTUS on it in sharpie? Obviously there will be a market for it as the existing gold border lotuses etc go for thousands of dollars, but....*why??* I guarantee you you can get proxies you'll like more than this from MPC for a miniscule fraction of the cost.
You know what would've been a really cool 30th Anniversary celebration? If they reprinted non-tournament legal (because, y'know, Reserved List) but FULLY DRAFTABLE Alpha boosters, so fans of the game that joined over the last 30 years could experience what it was like to play at the very beginning.
Of course, since they wouldn't be tournament legal and no new card design work needs to go into them, the packs could be cheap, maybe even cheaper than a normal draft set -- which would also help everyone get in on the celebration, even people who aren't normally into limited play!
Wait, hang on, that's exactly what they did... except they priced it at $750 per draft.
Wizards - Acting like a greedy corporation.
Loyal Magic veterans - *Surprised Pikachu face*
Proxies? or cashgrab version of (International)Collectors edition? would have been a deal without thinking if it was a complete set like the ICE
Bro the profit margin on this product must be MASSIVE for Wizards
What happened to reserve list cards not being printed even in collection sets???
Imagine they gave one of these out as the Grand Prize for the Cosplay Contest... rather than a gift card at 1/5th the face value...
I think this may actually be the first step in getting rid of the reserved list.
This is giving me Fetch Land Secret Lair vibes all over again. Go for the whales first: sell stupidly expensive versions of cards people have been desperate for until the market stabilizes. Then put them in collector/not as stupidly expensive packs until the market stabilizes. Then finally put them in regular packs of a premium set (like Modern Horizons) until the market stabilizes. Doing it this way means everyone eventually gets what they want and WotC maximizes profits by appealing to the whales first.
This product feels like an extreme version of just that. Down the road, we may see similar prints in rare occurrences in some future collector booster. And then finally, put them in another Eternal Masters set.
If the secondary market prices hold up on these proxies, it shows a precedence for "reserved list" cards, and if these prices are at or above the tourney-legal counterparts, it could potentially be worth the financial risk to finally drop the RL and truly reprint the cards.
I'm not saying this practice is a good thing: in fact, I think the is the most transparently greedy thing WotC has ever done.
if anyone sits down next to me to play edh and plays one of those cards I'll probalbly die from laughter cause they spent their money on this.
My brain is at that spot were it profusely wants to believe that no one would buy this s**t but also knows damn well that it's going to happen 100%
It'll sell out, because we have insane people playing this game.
Ima be real, i say fuck the collectors markett. Reprint things so people can actually play them in decks that could use them and if not then make the 30 year cards legal. Hell, everyone uses single or double sleeves anyway, there is no way to see the back of the card.
It would be a lot cooler if we got a chance at retro cards with a retro price tag.
This was an awesome opportunity to introduce newer players with a set of proxies of the reserve list for a low price but they decided another premium collectors items is what the want to celebrate their 30th anniversary.
And just in case there wasn't enough reason not to buy it, it also doesn't include Bondage Fairy (and Crusade and Weakness too).
I'm looking at Weakness right now and I can't find anything wrong with it. I know why they get their panties in a knot over Crusade and Earthbind, and no one wants the ante cards anyways. But Weakness? What am I missing?
@@petrie911 a 47th chromosome.
@@petrie911 - apparently his hands mock people with disabilities.
This is kind of crazy. I know lots of people spend a lot more on magic than me, but this is basically the amount of cardboard I get when I go to FNM, but I could go to almost a year of FNMs. The cards might be stronger cards but it's not like they have to get expensive inks or something to print a lotus or a dual land, it's the same as a bulk rare to the printer.
Last year Maro said on his blog they would not reprint reserve list cards at normal card sizes when asked about this exact idea.
They probably have square corners like the original collector's edition then.
Yeah but Maro always keeps mum about what's coming up.
All the had to do was re release the collectors edition. No changes. $50. Unlimited production to meet demand. Easy homerun.
I’m so glad I have high quality proxies that I love for 30 cents a piece
where would you recommend looking for those?
@@voland6846 ua-cam.com/video/-dlyGCdZt8Q/v-deo.html
@@voland6846 Places that sell printer ink.
@@Supernov4 places that sell printer ink have staff artists who do beautiful fantasy art...?
@@voland6846 Not the sharpest tool in the shed huh
I clicked the video and started searching for a black lotus secret laer expecting a few hundred bucks and was curious what else was included.
God I wish it was April 1st or my guess was right.