Honestly.....not cool to say a slow roll. That’s a 5 million dollar swing in earnings. People take longer to order a burger.....he three bets him and raises on the flop....there was like 8 hands that could have beat him. Plus heart draws and diamond draws. Bad bluff. But a guy is allowed to think.
@@VicenzoV what are you talking about? Miles didn't confidently roll them over, he did in disgust. He also heard Cynn say "I did call preflop with King Jack". Miles knew he had lost.
Slow rolling? The guy couldn't be more polite about it abd there is s huge chance Miles holds 88 55 AK or even KQ So it's not an auto call and it's for over 100 million chips.
Nicolai Aubert Dude, with that kind of all in pressure, don’t hold this commentator to the word HUGE, the point is, he WILL have one of those monster hands some percentage of the time, that needs full consideration.
He took time for a huge life changing decision and to gain info. When he calmly said he didn't have AK, then KQ, just look at Miles's face, he clearly turned dead like. And by the way, a slowroll is quite only when you hold the nuts or such a big hand you can't fold because you are so pot commited. He just calculated if he can fold and still be able to catch up. Not to mention there are millions involved and a WSOP ME championship up top.
Miles showed nothing but bad sportsmanship. The whole last two hours he acted like a baby. Cynn was polite the whole time. Talk about a blow up, Miles 3 bet huge with Q8 offsuit. Then proceeded to fire two bets into trips. Way to punt away the Main Event. To me, Cynn acted like a true professional and deserved the win.
Agree with you. Not a slow roll unless you have nuts which John didnt. Tony owes him an apology. I wish I could have watched the last 4 hours. Miles played great through regaining the chip lead for the 3rd time. It was then sleep overtook me. I tried to record my screen but that failed. When I woke up 4 hours later I witnessed this hand in a cloud of morning brain fog.
A lot of people seem to forget that in his mental state after almost 12 hrs at the table, incl 10 hrs heads up, Cynn was not thinking as clearly (look at his interview immediately afterwards), so he wanted to take some time to think everything through. Call it a nitroll if you want, but it's the biggest poker decision of his life so I think he's allowed 2 minutes. At least he explained his reasoning to Miles during the hand that clearly showed he was nervous about a few hands and not trying to slowroll. Disappointed in Miles' reaction afterwards, after being buddy-buddy with Cynn for days to then accuse him of slowrolling, not to congratulate him, and to blame fatigue and not credit Cynn in the ESPN interview is low. So was Cynn not affected by fatigue also, and don'tcha think fatigue played a part in Cynn's tank? EDIT: I saw that Miles penned a great apology less than 24 hours afterwards, so kudos to him. He recognizes that it wasn't a slowroll and now understands why Cynn needed to take some time.
Seth Fein Ok, but what's the big deal? Nobody believes he was going to fold, but he wanted to slow down and make sure with his 7th nuts, since he knew he wasn't thinking entirely clearly. So he took two minutes, not 5-10, who cares? Also, he said in another interview that Miles' comment about seeing one of his cards made him take longer, as well as the fact that in 2-3 earlier Miles shoves, Cynn didn't take as long to think and made the wrong decision by calling each time.
Jason Shoulders Maybe, but it's just ironic that Miles' first reaction to Cynn was about 'slowrolling' and his first interview response was about fatigue, yet he didn't cut Cynn slack that he might have been just as fatigued too while making a decision. Miles heard Cynn's explanation with the 7th nuts, and Cynn even apologized afterwards but clearly Miles wasn't hearing it. Hopefully he was a bit more gracious later maybe after calming down.
totally agree...KJ is not a snap call after 10 h hu for 3,8m...he was thinking, did i just win or lose the bracelet...does he have AK, KQ, K8, K5, 55, 88??? and yes its awful what Miles said afterwards...
Miles could’ve had AK or pocket 8s, K8, so I don’t really believe it’s a slow roll. It’s different seeing the cards on tv then actually being in the situation
He's beat by AK, KQ, 55, 88, K8, K5. He's probably thinking what could Miles be shoving with after 3betting, cbetting and shoving turn. It's a very strong line so I don't mind a little tank for the majority of his stack, and a massive pay jump on the line.
Everyone talking about how this is an insta-call is talking about this like it's a random hand in a $1/$2 NL game or a local $500 tournament. This was for the World Series of Poker main event title. There are millions on the line and he doesn't have the nuts. He absolutely needs to take a minute or two to replay the hand in his head and make sure he's making the right call.
My first reaction was.. Wtf did it take him so long to call for.. But that was because the video doesnt show the pre flop 3 bet. If there was no pre flop 3 bet.. That is not a difficult call. With the pre flop 3 bet.. Its more of a 'i dont like it but i gotta call' especially if its for the tournament and.. It so happens to be the biggest tournament there is
If not for the preflop 3-bet, than that would imply that they would be something absurd like 25bb or shallower in order for all the chips to go in by simply betting flop, shoving turn. Which makes it even more of a snap-call.
For those who think Cynn slowrolled, Cynn was not holding the absolute nuts in Pocket Kings. That’s a slow roll. Cynn was holding the 7th best hand. Ace-King, King-Queen, King-5, King-8, Pocket 5s and Pocket 8s beats Cynn.
What’s this slow roll debate? I thought he called very fast, given the situation. I would have thought about it for few more minutes. Who gives a shit what others think. I’m gonna think about it.
They played heads up, for the main event title, for some 10 hours. Any pocket pair that hit the board plus higher King’s beats him. And if he was wrong, he’s down to less than 10% of the chips in play. Not a slow roll, not even a nit roll. Not to mention the $9 million.
Miles tried to be all buddy buddy with Cynn during the whole final table. Cynn even taught Miles what the word "Manifest" meant, when Miles said he had never heard that term before. Lol. Cynn is by far the superior player and deserves it. Good job on thinking it through. Miles coulda had AK, KQ, 55, 88, K5, K8. Its not a snap call without the nuts. Cynn is not the kind of guy to Hollywood and stretch for TV time, esp this late. Great job Cynn..
Miles is the typical drug addicted guy who comes to the poker room, untidy and never had a shower who spew his chips for the adrenaline rush to bluff and be the MAN about it once he gets away with it. Trash!
Miles did not even deserve to get to the final table and apart from that is an a.s.s.hole. Congrats to John Cynn, a true gentleman and fully deserved winner
That’s not neccesarily true. I see people unintentionally slow-roll (sometimes pretty bad) the winning hand all the time. Although not blatant, its still a slow roll.
Tuffest Gong Most of the time, it’s new/newer players and/or old people, who are unaware of the “ethics” so to speak of poker. Ive seen it SO many hundreds of times, where an old guy, or young kid, OBVIOUSLY not intending to be maliscious, turn their hand over long after the losing hand, not realizing it’s poor etiquette. Bottom line, it certainly wasnt blatant, nor was it mal-intent, but it still consititues a slowroll.
I get where ppl are saying nitroll but guy could have K5 or K8, even A-K that gets there. Also taking in flush draws that at the time the odds seem more likely when u’ve been playing for 12+ hours. hard to judge when ur not in his exact position
The old value bluff, the greatest tools in a poker players box. You fold out everything worse and get called by everything better bar maybe 9s through qs
To me even if Cynn slow roll I think it is ok. Miles always runs to his team when he gets into an all in situation which is totally not fun especially when his hand is way ahead. Just like the hand he busted the third place. AJ against AT. Just get back to your seat after hitting the J you ain't gonna lose. So I feel that miles should get slowrolled if cynn ever finds a good position.
@@Cocaineawareness Yeah cause you are in the guy's head... He wanted to take his time to see if he wasn t making an obvious mistake after playing for so long and beibg very tired. Btw slowroll doesn't exist when you don t have the nuts. That s why the guy above talks about nitroll
Here its not about the fact that he couldve been beat but rather that he is NEVER folding and he knows that. Its a moment where you just kinda sigh a little and call.
Was binge watching a bunch of poker hands last night. Vanessa Selbst had trip kings and someone else had a pocket pair for a boat. So it's not like he knows for sure he's good with trip kings. And that's for all his chips and basically the tournament. So the typical person underthinks the hands, so it would be a snap call. But the pros overthink sometimes, almost in a cocky way to talk themselves out of hands.
I thought it was a slow roll at first but clearly wasn’t because of the preflop action. Dude easily could have had AK there. He’s never folding there so it may be a little nitty but considering the implications it’s easy to understand
There’s 4 hands that beat him; pocket 5’s or 8’s, or AK/KQ. Given they’ve played for 10 hours straight & the Gator jersey guy has bluffed him multiple times, I totally understand why he needs a couple of minutes b/c KJ isn’t the nuts on that flop.
So many people call it a slowroll, but really Cynn loses to most of MIles' value hands. Was he ever folding? No, but he played 10 straight days of poker, and a 10 hour heads-up match. It was obvious they were both completely exhausted.
Why do they re-do the commentary on this stuff when you rewatch it? This is the original commentary but when you rewatch the whole thing on UA-cam or Pokergo the commentary is different.
lets look at it: Miles 3-bets 34 Million pre-flop, Cynn Calls, Flop comes KK5, Miles bets 34 Million, Cynn Calls, Turn is an 8, Miles puts it all in....This is not an automatic call in my opinion! He could have AK, KQ, 55, 88, K5, or K8. This is tough to gage really, especially with how long they were heads up and how he bet high on pre-flop, half pot after flop, and shoved on turn (almost as if he is so sure that it is his to take). All of you saying "Oh its such a slow roll!" Put yourself in his shoes....this dude is playing for his tournament life. A difference of nearly 4 million dollars!!! He has to talk himself off of the ledge and assure himself that he can't possibly be sitting there with one of those 6 hands that can beat him.
Doesn't look like a slowroll. The action preflop to me felt like he could have had a middle pocket pair. He could have very easily had pocket 8s and turned a full house and snap bet all in. It was a nitty call but not a slowroll. Miles was just tilted he bluffed his way to 2nd
I think what we have here is a difference of interpretation -- the fact that miles thought cynn was tanking with much less than KJ, then after he heard him saying what he was holding, it became a obvious snap, he felt cynn was torturing him with the prolong decision, I am guessing where the anger came from, still, miles should have handle the lost with class, you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar, suck it up and smile for the camera, period!
With 3.8 mil on the line I dont blame anyone for taking their time. If the other guy had him beat with KQ the commentators would call him a legend just for contemplating a fold as they do with daniel N. All the time.
That is precisely why he took the time that he took-to look like a genius in everyone else's mind in the rare event that he was being coolered. He was never actually considering folding-AKA a huge nitroll.
A nitroll but it’s understandable - they’ve been playing for 10+ hours, it’s a decision for about $4 million and given the 3-bet preflop there are some hands that beat him
NBA Fan It’s extremely slim but not out of the question... for $3.8 million it’s worth consideration (yeah it shouldn’t have been 3 minutes worth of consideration, but a bit of consideration is understandable)
9k4 If you play for 3.8 million & play scared, you just have to fold every hand & play only AK,QQ,KK & AA. That’s not poker & J10 is a raisable hand heads up where as it’s more of a limping hand on a full table
NBA Fan It’s not playing scared, it’s being cautious... I would probably snap call myself but the point I’m making is that it’s a big decision so some others may take their time
I had the exact same hand (KJ) and flop comes (3,10,7) and turn and river were (K’s). I bet and got reraised all in. Snapped called and lost to (KA) lmao. So I don’t think this guy was slow rolling at all.
It probably wasn't a heads-up/3-bet pot in which you and your opponent were showing up on the flop with a whopping 2.2-1 PSR. Not even close to the same thing-but cool story brah.
Why is it that when he said "but I did call with KJ preflop" [at 3:19 ] that his hand isn't declared dead? I thought you couldn't announce your own hand in the WSOP... have they changed the rules? Or just different special rules during heads-up?
You can declare your hand when theres no more action that can happen after. With miles being all in him saying his hand can no lomger influence the pot
@@musicliver606 because theres a flush possibility or because hes bluffing for real but probably i wouldnt take that long i probably would snap which i think its something i should fix maybe im not sure i mean being discipline and think about what the other guy could have is important
I be seen KJ our kicked with KQ or AK so many times that I lost count. I agree, in heads up it was an easy decision to cal, but I don’t think he was trying to slow roll
The way the hand played makes it a nitroll, not a slowroll. With that line from Miles no sane person folds trips HU, he 'never' c-bets and shoves the turn if he has Kx/88. If the turn would've gone check-bet-shove, I'd understand tanking a little better. But still don't think tanking there is anything to complain about...
SLOWROLL!!?? ARE YOU SERIOUS! Dude 4 bets a preflop raise. KK comes on the flop which means a boat is def very possible for him to have! trip kings is no where near the nuts, theres like 6 hands that beat KJ on 4th street! Its a nit roll at best, not to mention they've been playing for 10 plus HOURS! Don't get mad you bluffed your championship away!
Anybody who thinks this is a slowroll is so clueless, with a 3 bet preflop there are quite a few hands that have you beat, if you have anthing less than the effective nuts, taking a minute or a few is completely fine when its the decision of your life
5-5, 8-8, K-5, K-8, K-Q, K-A, or a flush on the river all beat K-J, among other scenarios. Cynn had every reason to take his time, and this was absolutely NOT a slowroll. Miles spent about five minutes waiting for what he already knew was inevitable, so I won't hold it against the guy for being frustrated, especially after they'd been playing for such a long time already.
Sure you can. You can’t tell me if you flop a set of AA, fill up on the turn, then face an all-in on the river, and go into the tank because you are worried about quads, that’s not a slow roll?
Top of range. Insta call. If they were deeper it'd be a raise. Miles has to go with any pair because they aren't deep enough. Cynn should be calling with almost any pair. I play a lot of heads up.
This is not a slowroll. You can only slowroll with the nuts. Anything less than the nuts is allowed to think about their decision, especially heads up for a bracelet and millions of dollars.
People call everything a slow role when their but hurt these days. Anyone who's played enough poker has been beat by a pocket pair hitting a boat when they have trips. It's not like hes playing amateurs for a bar tab. This guy obviously is top tier to make it to the last two of the WSOP. How do you not have that thought of him holding a pocket pair and having a cooler in your mind.
Nope, all of the comments arguing for Cynn are either trolling for fun or having fun debating. This was an instant call and the chances of him having a better hand is the price of poker. That should have been a snap call and is one of the goofiest final hands in the history of WSOP.
Yeah, he was a crybaby at that time, and I bet he regrets that. Miles penned a great apology less than 24 hours afterwards, so kudos to him. He recognizes that it wasn't a slowroll and now understands why Cynn needed to take some time. But at that time, total crybaby! lol
I don’t think it was slow roll. His range could be AK 88 even KQs. And it was just 2or 3min maybe? It’s common to think for any tournament. Miles just looks mad because his bluff didn’t go well and it’s his fault.lol
if phil had someone go all in like that in that exact position he would jump out his seat saying “this is so sick”
Came here for this, he would absolutely do that!
Honey!!! I’ve got trip Kings and he’s filled up!!!!
that guy complains about absolutely everything; it’s almost as if he’s a beginner who lost a bad beat pot for the first time
You need to understand that everything you do at a poker table conveys information
You can't be all loosey goosey eating a sandwich
@@vinceg84 waho baby!
@@vinceg84 but I love sandwiches
Now separating the wheat from the chaff is another story completely
Lol I saw the negreanu ad too
Honestly.....not cool to say a slow roll. That’s a 5 million dollar swing in earnings. People take longer to order a burger.....he three bets him and raises on the flop....there was like 8 hands that could have beat him. Plus heart draws and diamond draws. Bad bluff. But a guy is allowed to think.
It was a value bet with Q8
Spazzing two streets to thin value shoving...or better thought is I don’t think he knows what he was doing here
No, he never folds.
And all of the thinking out loud was garbage also.
The dude never has him beat and if he does GG
@@VicenzoV what are you talking about? Miles didn't confidently roll them over, he did in disgust. He also heard Cynn say "I did call preflop with King Jack". Miles knew he had lost.
John Smith wait, isn’t it strictly against the rules to say what you have to induce a reaction from your opponent?
Slow rolling? The guy couldn't be more polite about it abd there is s huge chance Miles holds 88 55 AK or even KQ So it's not an auto call and it's for over 100 million chips.
Nicolai Aubert Dude, with that kind of all in pressure, don’t hold this commentator
to the word HUGE, the point is, he WILL have one of those monster hands some percentage of the time, that needs full consideration.
I think it's still an auto call but I also think it's fine to take your time a bit. You can't fold that spot ever heads up
Its also a call for pontentially 3.8 million dollars, he can take as long as he'd like
On point!
It's a heads up you moron... that call should had lasted 0.2 seconds,
He took time for a huge life changing decision and to gain info. When he calmly said he didn't have AK, then KQ, just look at Miles's face, he clearly turned dead like.
And by the way, a slowroll is quite only when you hold the nuts or such a big hand you can't fold because you are so pot commited. He just calculated if he can fold and still be able to catch up.
Not to mention there are millions involved and a WSOP ME championship up top.
Nah that’s a slow roll
So many comments here from people who have made $3.8 milion-dollar decisions at a poker table before
exactly my thought, I bet 95% of these people commenting would take 2 minutes for 380$ there let alone 3.8m
Gnitteg Dellort don’t care. He slow rolled
Yes, i have made mil dollars decision before, but in online game, not real life.
The game is the game, the stakes are irrelevant.
Thats an insta call heads up...your a donk if you hesitate calling there period!!
Miles showed nothing but bad sportsmanship. The whole last two hours he acted like a baby. Cynn was polite the whole time.
Talk about a blow up, Miles 3 bet huge with Q8 offsuit. Then proceeded to fire two bets into trips. Way to punt away the Main Event.
To me, Cynn acted like a true professional and deserved the win.
Agree with you. Not a slow roll unless you have nuts which John didnt. Tony owes him an apology. I wish I could have watched the last 4 hours. Miles played great through regaining the chip lead for the 3rd time. It was then sleep overtook me. I tried to record my screen but that failed. When I woke up 4 hours later I witnessed this hand in a cloud of morning brain fog.
The360Xperience well put
The360Xperience, agree 100%. Miles is salty and a bad sportmanship. Cynn was a better player and act with class.
Miles put out a public apology on his twitter.
The360Xperience , yep. Cynn act like a true champion
Phil: Honey he raised him with Q8
Lol HA!
AJAJAJAJAAJAJ
big difference between 2 & 9 handed poker ranges
Phil: “Miles gonna bet 33 Million.”
Miles: *Bets 32 Million*
Phil: “GODDAM IDIOT PLAYER CANT EVEN SPELL POKER!!!!”
Bad sportsmanship from Miles. And btw, that was not a slowroll but a nitroll
Agree unless you have the nuts its not a slowroll
they were playing hu for 10 hours and for 3,8m...KJ is not a snap call for all (effectively) his stuck...
agree. Miles is salty
yan ni is he gonna fold?? I dont think so bro , he took wayyy too long on an easy call...
Gaston Angelini yes, he took way too lot but it’s his biggest decision...he never folds there...maybe he could say something I’m confused...
A lot of people seem to forget that in his mental state after almost 12 hrs at the table, incl 10 hrs heads up, Cynn was not thinking as clearly (look at his interview immediately afterwards), so he wanted to take some time to think everything through. Call it a nitroll if you want, but it's the biggest poker decision of his life so I think he's allowed 2 minutes. At least he explained his reasoning to Miles during the hand that clearly showed he was nervous about a few hands and not trying to slowroll.
Disappointed in Miles' reaction afterwards, after being buddy-buddy with Cynn for days to then accuse him of slowrolling, not to congratulate him, and to blame fatigue and not credit Cynn in the ESPN interview is low. So was Cynn not affected by fatigue also, and don'tcha think fatigue played a part in Cynn's tank?
EDIT: I saw that Miles penned a great apology less than 24 hours afterwards, so kudos to him. He recognizes that it wasn't a slowroll and now understands why Cynn needed to take some time.
darchon5 he can think all he wants about what Miles could have...there was ZERO chance he was folding KJ on that board.
Maybe fatigue played a part in having bad sportsmanship.
Seth Fein Ok, but what's the big deal? Nobody believes he was going to fold, but he wanted to slow down and make sure with his 7th nuts, since he knew he wasn't thinking entirely clearly. So he took two minutes, not 5-10, who cares?
Also, he said in another interview that Miles' comment about seeing one of his cards made him take longer, as well as the fact that in 2-3 earlier Miles shoves, Cynn didn't take as long to think and made the wrong decision by calling each time.
Jason Shoulders Maybe, but it's just ironic that Miles' first reaction to Cynn was about 'slowrolling' and his first interview response was about fatigue, yet he didn't cut Cynn slack that he might have been just as fatigued too while making a decision.
Miles heard Cynn's explanation with the 7th nuts, and Cynn even apologized afterwards but clearly Miles wasn't hearing it. Hopefully he was a bit more gracious later maybe after calming down.
totally agree...KJ is not a snap call after 10 h hu for 3,8m...he was thinking, did i just win or lose the bracelet...does he have AK, KQ, K8, K5, 55, 88??? and yes its awful what Miles said afterwards...
Miles could’ve had AK or pocket 8s, K8, so I don’t really believe it’s a slow roll. It’s different seeing the cards on tv then actually being in the situation
He's beat by AK, KQ, 55, 88, K8, K5. He's probably thinking what could Miles be shoving with after 3betting, cbetting and shoving turn. It's a very strong line so I don't mind a little tank for the majority of his stack, and a massive pay jump on the line.
yeah exactly. I agree @pyrochaos
Pyrochaos AK, KQ, K8 are possible, but if he had 88 or 55, he might not all in in the turn i guess, what do you think?
Pocket 8s would never shove that turn but I think same as you - this is never a slowroll. Biggest poker tournament in the world, he can take his time.
DL_Savage totally agree with you
Everyone talking about how this is an insta-call is talking about this like it's a random hand in a $1/$2 NL game or a local $500 tournament.
This was for the World Series of Poker main event title. There are millions on the line and he doesn't have the nuts. He absolutely needs to take a minute or two to replay the hand in his head and make sure he's making the right call.
*Donks off his stack and then says you slow rolled... Wtf*
ya, cause when i smell a bluff i almost always slow roll em. it only makes sense right?
Vitalstatistix Stats , LoL.
It was a good thin value jam
My first reaction was.. Wtf did it take him so long to call for.. But that was because the video doesnt show the pre flop 3 bet.
If there was no pre flop 3 bet.. That is not a difficult call.
With the pre flop 3 bet.. Its more of a 'i dont like it but i gotta call' especially if its for the tournament and.. It so happens to be the biggest tournament there is
If not for the preflop 3-bet, than that would imply that they would be something absurd like 25bb or shallower
in order for all the chips to go in by simply betting flop, shoving turn. Which makes it even more of a snap-call.
Its heads up...its an insta call period
Raymond Siu he is never folding. He is an ass for taking so long
happytrailsgaming indta call? You are an idiot, he deserved to think for the biggest decisoin of his life
For those who think Cynn slowrolled, Cynn was not holding the absolute nuts in Pocket Kings. That’s a slow roll. Cynn was holding the 7th best hand. Ace-King, King-Queen, King-5, King-8, Pocket 5s and Pocket 8s beats Cynn.
Miles played it like at Pokerstars Micro.
Cynn played it like WSOP Final Heads Up.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
So glad Cynn won; bad sportsmanship from Miles
Partial , agree
Nope? With that hand? Who would not snap call ? pH is correct,any professional poker player wud think that as a Slow Roll
Bad sportsmanship but a definite slow role. Nobody on earth folds that, I'm sorry.
@@KryptonianTeacher is not slow roll this is WSOP biggest decision of your life. And Cynn need to think very carefully for his call.
What’s this slow roll debate?
I thought he called very fast, given the situation.
I would have thought about it for few more minutes.
Who gives a shit what others think.
I’m gonna think about it.
And the other throws 55😂
The way Miles was bluffing you can never fold that but I would be apprehensive about someone catching there without the nuts too.
Because they edited out about a half out of him "thinking"
I am curious what you would really "think" in that situation other than OMG OMG FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK AHEM GRRRMM GNAAAAA ZRRRRMMMMSSHKJUFCNN
@@MCFoultier and thats why you're not a pro
Miles face just drops when Cynn flips over his hand over
They played heads up, for the main event title, for some 10 hours. Any pocket pair that hit the board plus higher King’s beats him. And if he was wrong, he’s down to less than 10% of the chips in play. Not a slow roll, not even a nit roll. Not to mention the $9 million.
Miles tried to be all buddy buddy with Cynn during the whole final table. Cynn even taught Miles what the word "Manifest" meant, when Miles said he had never heard that term before. Lol. Cynn is by far the superior player and deserves it. Good job on thinking it through. Miles coulda had AK, KQ, 55, 88, K5, K8. Its not a snap call without the nuts. Cynn is not the kind of guy to Hollywood and stretch for TV time, esp this late. Great job Cynn..
Miles is the typical drug addicted guy who comes to the poker room, untidy and never had a shower who spew his chips for the adrenaline rush to bluff and be the MAN about it once he gets away with it. Trash!
Took way too long for a call but when it’s for a winning of 8.8 Million Dollars my heart might have stopped 😷😂😂😂
Miles did not even deserve to get to the final table and apart from that is an a.s.s.hole. Congrats to John Cynn, a true gentleman and fully deserved winner
Slow rolling is defined by intent. This was just introspection.
The drug addict guy will never understand it.
That’s not neccesarily true.
I see people unintentionally slow-roll (sometimes pretty bad) the winning hand all the time. Although not blatant, its still a slow roll.
Okay then how do you judge another person's intent?
Tuffest Gong
Most of the time, it’s new/newer players and/or old people, who are unaware of the “ethics” so to speak of poker.
Ive seen it SO many hundreds of times, where an old guy, or young kid, OBVIOUSLY not intending to be maliscious, turn their hand over long after the losing hand, not realizing it’s poor etiquette.
Bottom line, it certainly wasnt blatant, nor was it mal-intent, but it still consititues a slowroll.
Boz , well explain
Miles is on a big tilt after that hand. No wait, it’s already over.
I get where ppl are saying nitroll but guy could have K5 or K8, even A-K that gets there. Also taking in flush draws that at the time the odds seem more likely when u’ve been playing for 12+ hours. hard to judge when ur not in his exact position
The old value bluff, the greatest tools in a poker players box. You fold out everything worse and get called by everything better bar maybe 9s through qs
To me even if Cynn slow roll I think it is ok. Miles always runs to his team when he gets into an all in situation which is totally not fun especially when his hand is way ahead. Just like the hand he busted the third place. AJ against AT. Just get back to your seat after hitting the J you ain't gonna lose. So I feel that miles should get slowrolled if cynn ever finds a good position.
i have 3 kings heads up..should I call....
It’s not a slow roll.
It’s definitely a nit roll though.
dfg dfgs he would be an idiot to YOU because you knew what both hands were. idiot. He thought he was up against KA or KK you dipshit.
@@Cocaineawareness Miles could've had 55, 88, or a better King, and he'd been repping a strong hand. Cynn had a good reason to take a minute.
@@Cocaineawareness Yeah cause you are in the guy's head... He wanted to take his time to see if he wasn t making an obvious mistake after playing for so long and beibg very tired. Btw slowroll doesn't exist when you don t have the nuts. That s why the guy above talks about nitroll
@@masanetthomas8586 the question is WHEN IS HE EVER FOLDING in a heads up game, the answer is never...so WRONG
masanet thomas wrong. He is never folding there and a pos for taking so long
Ridiculous slowroll
4:13 look of embarrassment
Here its not about the fact that he couldve been beat but rather that he is NEVER folding and he knows that. Its a moment where you just kinda sigh a little and call.
Was binge watching a bunch of poker hands last night. Vanessa Selbst had trip kings and someone else had a pocket pair for a boat. So it's not like he knows for sure he's good with trip kings. And that's for all his chips and basically the tournament.
So the typical person underthinks the hands, so it would be a snap call. But the pros overthink sometimes, almost in a cocky way to talk themselves out of hands.
I thought it was a slow roll at first but clearly wasn’t because of the preflop action. Dude easily could have had AK there. He’s never folding there so it may be a little nitty but considering the implications it’s easy to understand
There’s 4 hands that beat him; pocket 5’s or 8’s, or AK/KQ. Given they’ve played for 10 hours straight & the Gator jersey guy has bluffed him multiple times, I totally understand why he needs a couple of minutes b/c KJ isn’t the nuts on that flop.
Tony Miles having a grump because he got called. Div.
So many people call it a slowroll, but really Cynn loses to most of MIles' value hands. Was he ever folding? No, but he played 10 straight days of poker, and a 10 hour heads-up match. It was obvious they were both completely exhausted.
Miles has 50 bb wtf did he go crazy in this hand. What was he thinking??
That’s not a slow roll! That’s not even close. He could have had 55,88,KQ,AK..... he did absolutely right thinking that decision out.
New York Juwan Hackett , agree
New York Juwan Hackett not even close lol. Moron
Cynn had one of the easiest heads up matches in Main Event history. Miles was a very weak player all along but he was absolutely abysmal heads up.
Cant be mad about a slow roll in that spot man
Wasn’t a slow roll
Miles created this situation by himself. He just can't complain of what he deserved doing so.
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That's because your an amateur
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How was that a slow roll? Potential two way flush (Hearts and Diamonds). Other guy also could of have another K.
Potential flush? How can you put that in your calculation when you have trips?
Don't blame him for not snap calling. What if other guy had king-8 and a full house.
He wasn't afraid of k8.. He was afraid mainly of AK, KQ and 88 or maybe 55
Is John Cynn one of the regulars at 'The Bike' all the time, with Garret Adelstein, Aremenian Mike, etc...?
Pocket 5s or pocket 8s are a real possibilty
Why do they re-do the commentary on this stuff when you rewatch it? This is the original commentary but when you rewatch the whole thing on UA-cam or Pokergo the commentary is different.
lets look at it:
Miles 3-bets 34 Million pre-flop, Cynn Calls, Flop comes KK5, Miles bets 34 Million, Cynn Calls, Turn is an 8, Miles puts it all in....This is not an automatic call in my opinion! He could have AK, KQ, 55, 88, K5, or K8. This is tough to gage really, especially with how long they were heads up and how he bet high on pre-flop, half pot after flop, and shoved on turn (almost as if he is so sure that it is his to take). All of you saying "Oh its such a slow roll!" Put yourself in his shoes....this dude is playing for his tournament life. A difference of nearly 4 million dollars!!! He has to talk himself off of the ledge and assure himself that he can't possibly be sitting there with one of those 6 hands that can beat him.
I hope to see myself on the final table this year.
you will get removed, no streakers allowed on the table
No reason for him to think that Miles didn't have AK. I guarantee that was his concern.
You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information.
You can't be all loosey goosey.
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Doesn't look like a slowroll. The action preflop to me felt like he could have had a middle pocket pair. He could have very easily had pocket 8s and turned a full house and snap bet all in. It was a nitty call but not a slowroll. Miles was just tilted he bluffed his way to 2nd
I think what we have here is a difference of interpretation -- the fact that miles thought cynn was tanking with much less than KJ, then after he heard him saying what he was holding, it became a obvious snap, he felt cynn was torturing him with the prolong decision, I am guessing where the anger came from, still, miles should have handle the lost with class, you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar, suck it up and smile for the camera, period!
Miles being a little cry baby at the end 😂
Picked a terrible time to bluff, get over it.
With 3.8 mil on the line I dont blame anyone for taking their time. If the other guy had him beat with KQ the commentators would call him a legend just for contemplating a fold as they do with daniel N. All the time.
That is precisely why he took the time that he took-to look like a genius in everyone else's mind in the rare
event that he was being coolered. He was never actually considering folding-AKA a huge nitroll.
A nitroll but it’s understandable - they’ve been playing for 10+ hours, it’s a decision for about $4 million and given the 3-bet preflop there are some hands that beat him
9k4 Nope, they were playing heads up poker & Miles having a K there is extremely slim
NBA Fan It’s extremely slim but not out of the question... for $3.8 million it’s worth consideration (yeah it shouldn’t have been 3 minutes worth of consideration, but a bit of consideration is understandable)
9k4 If you play for 3.8 million & play scared, you just have to fold every hand & play only AK,QQ,KK & AA. That’s not poker & J10 is a raisable hand heads up where as it’s more of a limping hand on a full table
NBA Fan It’s not playing scared, it’s being cautious... I would probably snap call myself but the point I’m making is that it’s a big decision so some others may take their time
9k4 Lol I wonder how the guy won the main event. No wonder he runs so bad & gets bluffed every time on LATB 😩😭
Not a slow role, he loses to AK, KQ, 5’s, 8’s and with the 3 bet pre flop they are in miles’ range
Even if it was a slow roll (it isn't), so what? $5 million for 2nd place
‘I’m not trying to get a read’ (stares at opponent)
I had the exact same hand (KJ) and flop comes (3,10,7) and turn and river were (K’s). I bet and got reraised all in. Snapped called and lost to (KA) lmao. So I don’t think this guy was slow rolling at all.
It probably wasn't a heads-up/3-bet pot in which you and your opponent were showing up on the flop with a
whopping 2.2-1 PSR. Not even close to the same thing-but cool story brah.
Why is it that when he said "but I did call with KJ preflop" [at 3:19 ] that his hand isn't declared dead? I thought you couldn't announce your own hand in the WSOP... have they changed the rules? Or just different special rules during heads-up?
You can declare your hand when theres no more action that can happen after. With miles being all in him saying his hand can no lomger influence the pot
what are peoples thoughts on Miles bet on turn? is it a bluff?
Is the currency usd ? Like 32m dollars or what? Someone plz explain.
Just curious. How much did those in the FT pay in taxes? Is it instant taxation?
Amazing call
Not a slow roll. At least 6 hands that beat him and two draws. It’s for $8.8M, don’t be a sore loser.
With the tournament on the line, unless you have the nuts, there's no such thing as an auto call.
He think miles have A-K for the action pre flop is not slow roll for me
Very high probablity Miles had an AK.
Would u of folded in that spot for the win?
Then why go All In on the Turn?
@@musicliver606 because theres a flush possibility or because hes bluffing for real but probably i wouldnt take that long i probably would snap which i think its something i should fix maybe im not sure i mean being discipline and think about what the other guy could have is important
Heads up you idiot... or maybe he had KK and 5 kings was in the deck.
Cynn WAS right.........Miles COULD have had AK
I be seen KJ our kicked with KQ or AK so many times that I lost count. I agree, in heads up it was an easy decision to cal, but I don’t think he was trying to slow roll
The way the hand played makes it a nitroll, not a slowroll. With that line from Miles no sane person folds trips HU, he 'never' c-bets and shoves the turn if he has Kx/88. If the turn would've gone check-bet-shove, I'd understand tanking a little better. But still don't think tanking there is anything to complain about...
Any good player playing against another good player would play his Kx/ 88 exactly like this.
Cynn is trying to calm his nerves. He knew he got Miles.
I’m no professional poker player, but the fuck was that guy thinking
juanda had trips
He is never in a million years laying down three kings there with a jack kicker.
Bob Smith exactly so why tank that long
true but thats what differentiate a pro from amateur how fast u can think and if u are passing thru all the process to make a call
I was a slowroll
I would of been even more pissed than miles I hate people that do that
Once I told a guy I swear if you slow roll me again ill slap you in your mouth you POS lol dead ass haha
SLOWROLL!!?? ARE YOU SERIOUS! Dude 4 bets a preflop raise. KK comes on the flop which means a boat is def very possible for him to have! trip kings is no where near the nuts, theres like 6 hands that beat KJ on 4th street! Its a nit roll at best, not to mention they've been playing for 10 plus HOURS! Don't get mad you bluffed your championship away!
was that a value shove or bluff shove lol
Value
Protection
@@KM-vl5wc protection is value.
@@AaroInTheKnee nooooo
It was a value bluff :D
Anybody who thinks this is a slowroll is so clueless, with a 3 bet preflop there are quite a few hands that have you beat, if you have anthing less than the effective nuts, taking a minute or a few is completely fine when its the decision of your life
3 bets pre flop with a continuation bet on the flop and gets mad at the guy for thinking he might have ak or kq
5-5, 8-8, K-5, K-8, K-Q, K-A, or a flush on the river all beat K-J, among other scenarios. Cynn had every reason to take his time, and this was absolutely NOT a slowroll. Miles spent about five minutes waiting for what he already knew was inevitable, so I won't hold it against the guy for being frustrated, especially after they'd been playing for such a long time already.
Anyone who thinks like this is a terrible player
The point at which the huge bluff all in is made needs more discussion
i think it has to be the nuts to be a slowroll. he had the 8th nuts i believe.
I think this too. You can't ever slowroll without the nuts.
silvad314 7th
Sure you can.
You can’t tell me if you flop a set of AA, fill up on the turn, then face an all-in on the river, and go into the tank because you are worried about quads, that’s not a slow roll?
if you're worried about quads, then it's not a slow roll, it's a nit roll. slow rolling is knowing (or thinking) you have the best hand
@@raerawaili1090 K8 K5 K4 88 55 44 AK KQ all beat KJ. So, actually 9th.
You not happy winning a few mil being second place??? I would have jump for joy with Cynn!!
Agreed, second position payout was 5 mil. Now it's not 8.8 mil but that's still a shit ton of money.
Not a slow roll. I have been shown a better k alot here. Dude bluffed his stack away and was pissed that's it.
Incredibly perhaps, it was a value bet
Top of range. Insta call. If they were deeper it'd be a raise. Miles has to go with any pair because they aren't deep enough. Cynn should be calling with almost any pair.
I play a lot of heads up.
That was an insanely stupid bluff
Miles could easily have had pocket 5’s or 8’s so I don’t know why taking 2 minutes to think about the biggest call in your life is slow rolling lol.
This is not a slowroll. You can only slowroll with the nuts. Anything less than the nuts is allowed to think about their decision, especially heads up for a bracelet and millions of dollars.
I’m confused full house loses to triples?
There wasn't a full house. It was just two pair hand for Miles.
how much was the buy-in?
The Main Event buy-in is $10,000
@@PokerGO damn he went from 10k to 8.8million holy shit
People call everything a slow role when their but hurt these days. Anyone who's played enough poker has been beat by a pocket pair hitting a boat when they have trips. It's not like hes playing amateurs for a bar tab. This guy obviously is top tier to make it to the last two of the WSOP. How do you not have that thought of him holding a pocket pair and having a cooler in your mind.
I like how Phil is talking about camera time like he doesn’t do it every fucking time
Nope, all of the comments arguing for Cynn are either trolling for fun or having fun debating. This was an instant call and the chances of him having a better hand is the price of poker. That should have been a snap call and is one of the goofiest final hands in the history of WSOP.
What is it with slow rolling? isn't poker suppose to be a thinking game?
having 7th best hand, biggest call of his life. Not a slowroll imo
miles is a crybaby.
Yeah, he was a crybaby at that time, and I bet he regrets that. Miles penned a great apology less than 24 hours afterwards, so kudos to him. He recognizes that it wasn't a slowroll and now understands why Cynn needed to take some time. But at that time, total crybaby! lol
I don’t think it was slow roll. His range could be AK 88 even KQs. And it was just 2or 3min maybe? It’s common to think for any tournament. Miles just looks mad because his bluff didn’t go well and it’s his fault.lol
Definitely not a slow roll given the stakes and how cynn did not have the nuts.. miles could easily have KA, KQ, 88
Congrats Johnn!
slow roll，sick.