How to cook on a sailboat ⛵️ Ep44 - PART 1 - DIY Boat stove gimbal INDUCTION cooktop
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- LAHAKAI SAILING // ⛵️ S1 Ep44 // Our sailboat restoration project continues as we come up with more small sailboat interior design ideas. This time we are building a DIY boat stove gimbal for our single burner INDUCTION cooktop as part of our boat conversion to home. Our goal is to build a fully electric boat for sailing around the world and eliminating dependency on gas, propane or alcohol stoves is the first step. We might have a backup option just in case but for now we are going all solar and wind powered to be the ultimate off grid home.
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I totally agree with some of the comments.
The cabinets' gimble and inside sides of the cabinet need to be stainless steel. All that heat from cooking is a concern when surrounded by wood.
The current gimble is upside down. This will lift the cooker and give room for pot handles and general ease in cooking.
Including a pot cupboard to the gimble will give all the natural weight low down.
I can’t understand the boat cabinet company you’re using can’t see these issues.
A great idea would be to gimbal the countertop with the induction plate. Your prep area is Much easier to work with. ❤
A, for effort…. C, for design. 😊
great video! thank you 😊
Marvelous!
I am really excited about the progress of your build. Way to go guys👍👌✌️
Your stove/pot COG (centre of gravity) is still quite high. Movement of the pot will change the angle. Having to put your hands down a hole beside a boiling pot to adjust the cook top does not look fun either. This is why people are suggesting a hanging cabinet under the cook top. It will not really take any more space as the gap under the cook top would be the same as under the cabinet. It _will_ give you the chance of making sure the COG is always much lower than the the pivot and not top heavy. Even with the COG just a little lower as your test pot shows, it will swing faster and not dampen as fast. Does your cook top have membrane switches or capacitive? Membrane switches require some pressure to activate, which will swing your pot too. The other advantage of using a standard marine stove size brick, is that if you find that you keep running low on battery because the induction cooker only takes half the power.... and does still _take_ half the power, you can more easily replace it with something like gas. You have a smaller boat, bigger than mine but not the size of those people we have seen on YT with induction cookers on 50+ foot boats (or cats) with lots of room for solar panels.
Sea rails should be non-conductive for induction cookers. Metal bits near the surface, especially steel with a high magnetic hysteresis, might get very hot. After all this is the property that makes induction cooker work in the first place. You want to heat your pot, not the pot holder. Induction cookers do have a temperature sensor to detect a pot where the water has boiled away so it doesn't start a fire but that is right at the centre (yes I have taken them apart) and a steel sea rail will seem to the cooker like a pot when a pot is not there. perhaps enough to bypass the "pot not there" sensing that would normally shut it off while at the same time being far away enough from the over temperature sensor not to shut it off that way.
Gimbals for boat stoves works because the oven weight. The centre of gravity is down. Moving the centre of gravity down the problem is solved, but not moving the induction plate down. Adding some stick vertically under the induction plate and add some weight there will help, but If you don't want to waste that space with artificial weight, give some utility to that space adding an oven or a cabinet.
Find a perfect position for the gimbals axe is complex, but there is a mechanical engineering rule that you can apply: "If you can't do it perfect, do it adjustable".
Thanks for your feedback! We realize now we didn't explain that we made the gimbal lower to fit the pot holders below the countertop because we are going to put a cover on the counter so you can use the space when not using the cooktop (Not because of the center of gravity). Thought we were able to balance it, we are going to play around with adding weight later to the bottom (didn't get to that in this video like we thought). We realized that we needed to figure out the screw situation before we tackle the weights. We'll have some updates on this soon and we look forward to your suggestions! Cheers!
I strongly suggest you slather that gimbal in epoxy. It'll need to waterproof. Steam, spillages and cleaning will ruin it otherwise. Have fun and keep going.
The period of a pendulum is directly proportional to its length. So if you want to slow down the swing of the stove top some, then put the weight on the bottom further down from the pivot axis. If you put an oven in under the stove top, then it would go on the bottom of that. If not, then you have to figure a way of extending it down on wood boards along the sidees. You can wait until you are cruising to tell if you need to slow the swing of the stove top.
Felicidades😊
To place yr gimbals low will be a waste of space underneath, y should use this space for an oven. Resulting in an work space at the same level as the electric or gas stove.
Resulting in an in 95 % more practical working place. Because Y will spend more hrs/days afloat quietly without moving then sailing in force 10.
So keep it simple and workable.
Succes.
Master Mariner J.Jonkèrs ( sail master all ships)
you need the gamble to be above the top so your burnere is flush to the surface
Beside this the indection of stoves can heat the metal peace of your joint, which one is surrounded by wood
I hope that isn’t the final design on the cooktop. Your going to find it difficult cooking on that with it that far below the countertop, especially frying eggs for breakfast.
Put a cupboard on her it for your pots and pans there's your weight
The" Spear It Animal" made gimbal in recent video. with previous professional kitchen build experience
Just checked them out! We wanted to put a conventional oven under ours as well but the space is way to restricted. If we had a bigger space there than that is definitely what we would have gone for. Thanks for the tip! We liked to see their planning.
Don't you ever use glue? Or, do you dry fit before gluing, because all we see is the dry fit?
The furniture is still being fitted so only certain things have been glued at this point to leave room for adjustments. Cheers!
With to a previous comment your interior of lahakai is being built in a bepoke build certainly the ikea way and building boat interiors is this company's business
I follow your videos with enthusiasm; I live in Portugal, and as you are rebuilding your sailboat in Brazil, maybe you already understand some of the Portuguese language. In the options for the subtitles of your videos, you had the translation into Portuguese that worked very well, and it is a rare thing to find in other videos in English or another language. However, in this video, you no longer have that option, let's wait to see if it comes back again. I went to investigate what a “gimbal” was, and find that is a stabilizer, like in mobile phone holders. Congratulations and continuation.
That's wonderful! We love that you follow us along! We had some troubles with the subtitles this video but we are working on them now. We will let you know the second the Portuguese is complete! Cheers!
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Pick up the phone,order fast food and they will deliver! Why cook when you can order fast food??🇨🇦😄
Although a 360 gimbal would be preferable, at least make it a 2-axis gimbal, which is easy to do, and you don’t lose too much space, if you keep your “gimbal-basket” a little shallower - you can use your gimbal frame for the second axis !
The one axis gimbal is not much of use, since it takes care only of the lateral movement, but not the longitudinal (bow to stern) movement…
hmm we thought about that but had not seen any regular size stoves that had the 360 gimbal, just the little round ones. Do you know of any examples? This might be possible if we did it in a thin profile of stainless steel. Perhaps this can be a nice upgrade project when we get the funds one day!
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR VIDEOS, BUT YOU SHOULD TRY TO GET THINGS IN YOUR LINGO STRAIGHT. SUCH AS, IT IS NOT A GALLEY KITCHEN, IT'S A GALLEY, AMONG OTHERS. TRADITIONS ARE SLIPPING AWAY FAST AND YOU CAN DO A LOT TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
YOU TWO HAVE A LOT TO BE PROUD OF, SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Thanks for your feedback! We have a lot of followers that are not avid sailors (like our mums!) and have requested that we help them with the lingo. So we always try to use traditional words along side ones a broader audience will understand.
But, we both learned sailing terms in Portuguese originally. There might be words we do not know in English, so we are always open to help if you see us struggling!
Thanks for the support!! Cheers!
Since one one mentioned it your gimbal is upside down.
Plus one one shoot at a 45'angle either than the weather channels, please stop that.
Dear Lory, I'll give you a link to a channel that I hope will help you with many of your questions. In one of the videos you can see an electric cooker and an electric convection oven mounted on a cardan. But the Canal is very interesting because it has a deep study on electric and hybrid propulsion systems and on the calculations of consumption in ships going on long voyages. As you will see, pretending to have a boat with only an electric motor is very expensive and, above all, completely unfeasible, and perhaps very dangerous. In that channel they have an extensive study on hybrid electricity/diesel systems, which are totally reasonable. I hope it helps you meditate on your project. Greetings! . ua-cam.com/video/re49qMYM1xM/v-deo.html
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FAIL FAIL FAIL! The wooden gimbal will fail quickly on an ocean passage. Firstly, the wood will soften once it is hit by a dollop of hot water spilling out of a pot. Secondly, the wood will "wallow" because it is insufficient to act as a bearing surface to carry the weight of your contraption. YOU MUST remake the support cage out of either 316 stainless steel (best) or aluminum. A metal cage can easily by folded on a sheet metal brake, and then riveted together. I WANT TO LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING BUT you make it hard for me when I see such amateur mistakes. You'd better get to know some real ocean sailors before you continue building IKEA-type equipment.
Perhaps you didn't hear our explication that this is a model for the construction of the galley and we are not done yet. Also, we are totally open to friendly suggestions that will make our project better! We can't tell you how many comments we have immediately implemented and really made a huge impact on our work. We love learning and that's exactly what this project is about! Thanks for the suggestion for the 316 stainless steel we'll keep this in mind when we are finalizing the construction of the gimbal.
Tell him, Lori! It's like when someone puts a negative review on Amazon and they obviously haven't read the product instructions. 😂
@@lahakai You should consider doing mock-ups in cardboard. It's cheaper, faster, and easier to modify. If you're building a mock-up why bother with the counterweight? My suggestions are meant to be helpful.
I have commented exactly the same. All my encouragement to Lory, but there are many mistakes made by novices and people who have almost no experience at sea. Starting with the boat itself. Steel boats are horrible and expensive to maintain and are only logical for lengths above 50 feet. If they had chosen a used fiberglass boat, months ago they would have been able to renew it and they would be sailing. The most serious is to think that a steel boat with an electric motor is viable for a round the world. A serious inexplicable error when any technician in electrical systems with a few simple calculations shows you that it is unfeasible for long journeys and that they will realize a few days after starting to sail seriously. There are mixed options that are correct only for security reasons. All the best .
So true
Lori that gimble with the screw going through will wear very fast being wood to wood can I add my Idea
you drill out the hole and insert a metal tube for the screw to pivot on to reduce wear,sorry if I’m pre planning your thoughts hope it makes sense,thanks for the great explanation on your boat build .U.K.
Yes, definitely! We just used temporary screws for the balancing. Now we know how much space we have in the galley we will look into fixing up these pivot points because you are absolutely right, it will wear down pretty quickly. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers!
Only one other problem that could occur. What if you lose power because you been in to many storms and such. And used up all your battery power. My self I would have both solar and gasoline powered generator.
Or a diesel if your backup propulsion is going to be diesel. Or is it going to be all electric. I think you said it was going to be.
Other sailors have went that way but have needed a gasoline or diesel generator at times. No wind you while out in the middle of the ocean, you can’t just drift. So be sure to have a backup plan in place.
Think you are miles from land and you lose wind for 12 to 24 hrs. Diesel engine can keep you moving.
But electric can not, there are some electric propulsion motors that will generate power. But you have be moving fast enough.
A boat with an electric motor sounds very nice, but it is definitely NOT a viable solution for such a project. All of us who have sailed a lot know that there are dozens of situations where having an engine that can work hours without limitations is essential, and can even save your life. There are mixed options, electricity / diesel that are much more reasonable
It doesn't seem like a good idea to make the Gimbal out of wood. Stainless steel seems much more reasonable in any kitchen. Not only for cleanliness, but for the great wear of that part that is permanently in motion.
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Your pots and pans will be well below the surface of the surrounding counter top. You could build up supports inside the gimbal frame to raise the induction top to a more sensible level. Then of course you need counter weights down as low as you can on the underside of the gimbal frame . I suggest you will need some sort of bearing or metal sleeve for the gimbal to pivot on. It will not be too long before the screws wear away the plywood frame. Apologies for commenting on your gymbal however I believe that is not at all functional as it is currently proposed
Regards Eric
Thanks for your feedback! This is still a concept that we are working on so there's lots of room for improvement still. We will have a part 2 to this because we need to coordinate how the countertop and cabinet will be before we finalize the actual gimbal and also get proper screws for the job. You are very right, we are looking into the best ways to fabricate the pivot point so we don't have wear on the wood. Thanks again for looking out! Keep an eye out for our follow up episode on this!
Remember to build fiddlesticks to keep the pots from sliding off while it’s stabilizing to level.fiddlesticks
I have a double gimballed induction hob. However, I had the advantage of using a gas hob and grill so copied the weight and gimbal position when making a wooden box for the induction hob. Were the grill used to be, I added a shelf and that's were we store the original single induction hob as a just in case spare. I rescued the pan holders which also have stainless steel gimbals from an old stove and polished them up. The stove tips to the front without a pan, but with a pan plus food sits level. A 600g weight is fixed underneath as the final counter balance for fine tuning. Held on with industrial velcro so it can be moved.
As always another enjoyable video. Keep them coming and thanks for sharing. 😎👍
Lorrie please be careful with your hair that hangs down the side of your face when using any equipment it can get tangled in the equipment and end up scalping you.
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed seeing your progress.
better is a full gimbals in both directions i think you will not be happy with your decision.
Send us a link of one that will work with our cooktop and we can see if it's possible to replicate it!
@@lahakai i hope its good enough, the weight under the stove will balance it. the more wight the more balance will you get.
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We saw this video too, It’s very cool! But it’s a very tiny stove. Have you seen one for a regular size stove?
@@lahakai its the same princip you must the mesurements take from your stove and produce two frames as seen in the video for your stove in square with enough place between it than hang it in the middle of the highest weight what can be possible and place a conterweight under the middle of the center of the highest possible weight 🤔