Too much Reva scenes in a show that was supposed to about Kenobi. They should've introduced her in Andor. Also, Reva surviving two lightsaber stabs (especially as a padawan) by Anakin is stupid. She didn't even receive any permanent injuries (which she should have after getting her stomach incinerated twice). Obi-Wan spending this much time with Leia and meeting Luke is borderline lore breaking, Qui-Gon having the ability to appear as a force ghost instead of just being able to speak to someone is lore breaking. Leia chase scenes were goofy. Obi-Wan being anywhere near Vader's power level 10 years after ROTS while not training at all and barely being able to use the force in episode 2 is laughable, let alone being strong enough to beat him without receiving any significant injuries. During this time period, we are talking about peak Vader, who has insanely ridiculous feats in the new canon comics. Obi-Wan being able to clown on him with rock throws was insulting, since Vader should be able to easily send those back at him. It was a good looking fight, but it's nowhere near the "rematch of the century", their ROTS fight was still miles better. Kenobi deciding that Luke shouldn't be trained, right after letting Darth Vader live (which was also stupid) and knowing that he is Anakin is pathetic. Obviously these needs to happen because of the existing lore but its a shame that they wrote themselves in situations like this just for easy views through nostalgia baits. This show has barely produced anything new that people will remember in a few weeks. All the good moments came from either Vader being badass or callbacks to the prequels.
Vader should have never met obi wan in this, if anything it should have been a dark force user as the villain or a rogue jedi or even a bounty hunter as the main villain, leia should never been in the show either. but that's just my opinion
I’m ok with reva just because Lots of sw characters can start of annoying n then develop into something great over several series/seasons. Ashoka was super obnoxious at first. I just feel wasted potential with owen
Vader's feats in the comics are almost too much. Nobody would buy it in live action. Alot of casuals will always think Vader is badass, but only in design because they still think about his clunky movements in the original trilogy
I personally loved that first chase scene with Leia, Reva getting stabbed in the chest with a lightsaber *twice*, and that trench coat scene was pretty funny too
I kinda disagree in that I saw a LOT of ppl online wanting Obi-Wan movie/show for years and wanted Vader/Maul to show up in that. Disney gave ppl that. Now, how ppl felt about that I think is up to everyone individually but honestly as a fan of the prequels and grew up with that as my introduction to Star Wars, while not perfect, I really enjoyed this show and actually kind of felt that passion for Star Wars again which I hadn’t felt for years.
All the Vader and Obi-Wan scenes were the best. It honestly could’ve been it’s own movie, and that final fight was amazing. But everything else was kinda boring tbh
Yes. Everything in the old canon carried his spirit, despite what the haters say, from the literary side of the universe, to the licensed material, to the video games, to the television shows. Without George Lucas, there is no Star Wars. My Star Wars is Legends. That's it. Nothing Disney does interests me.
I enjoyed this show but for me personally. The OT & mando are the only real great things to come out of Star Wars and they're the only things that count in my book. But these are only my opinions.
I think the fact that we're calling is season 1 is already a red flag. I stand by my opinion that this franchise should not exist even if we like Hayden and Ewan in their iconic roles.
They used digital and ai technology to help make his recorded audio sound closer to that of episode 4. They didn't do that in rogue one, which is why he sounds so different
I liked the show but I agree it’s time for Disney Star Wars to focus on their own original characters and if you want to set it around the movie timeline a few cameos are ok. If we never see young, post return of the Jedi Luke again I wouldn’t be mad even though I liked it. Leave the legacy characters as the heroes they are in our imagination
I’m having Rey skywalker issues with this show. Fun to watch but in my mind Vader and Kenobi last saw each other on Mustafar and Leia never met him Kenobi.
Power scaling makes sense. Vader is only 80 percent of the emperor. His suit and his injuries from Mustafar have crippled his force capabilities. Not to mention obi Wan is a powerful force wielder and duelist and always has been. Him unleashing that onslaught was him giving into his full potential.
Obi-Wan is the opposite of a powerful force wielder. He became a master because of his lightsaber skills, but he was never gifted when it came to the force.
@@arpadszabo661 he didn't have natural gift ability. He had to work ten times as hard as a typical jedi but by the time and even concluding the clone wars He was considered on par with the likes of Mace and Yoda. The original scripts for Return of the Jedi Obi Wan and Yoda were suppose to appear and fight the emperor with Luke. OBI Wan transcending into the force that is a great feat in itself. He is a very powerful jedi. He is not just a great duelist he doesn't get as much credit as a force user. That being said he didn't defeat Anakin because of his force ability. Anakin is still stronger. Similar to SS3 Goku being weaker than Kid Buu yet Goku was able to defeat Kid Buu with the spirit bomb and ample time giving by Vegeta. Not always the most powerful that wins in the fight Obi Wan has out witted and beaten Vader with patience and other means.
@@saberiandream316 doesn't matter what they want to throw out. We know power scaling is a real thing with these characters they all aren't created equal in force ability or power. If Vader was close to the emperor power he would of risked overthrowing him, he clearly is not.
@@davidcici11Evolution Well, the clapping seals still bring them the profits and attention they want, so they're free to do whatever they want. They don't care about you, and they don't care about the story or the fans. It's that simple. You don't like, don't watch. I don't. I never signed up to Disney+ and I never saw Mandalorian. Not a big Filoni fan. He's so overrated.
I would like Disney to not make the episodes longer than 25 minutes anymore. Almost all the shows suffer from dragging pacing, which thin out the plot. Also, the TV show is like Dragon Ball Super - it suffers from a lack of real tension. You can either watch it or not, but you will know the outcome. As for changing cannon, well, that happened since ESB and especially, with the prequels. For example, for me, a 22 years old Vader in the suit still feels more tragic and shocking than a Vader closer to Sebastian Shaw's age in ROTJ, thus more middle aged when he became a father. In the Kenobi series, a conflicted, greener Vader still has that trait of a young man with his full life ahead not fully accepting that those days are over and he is what he became. It is just sad... Then, I do not have a problem with Reva - she was a plot device, a tool, and she was overcompensating and all over the place (yes, this type of person is annoying in real life as well) as a baddy, for her own agenda, as she did not belong alongside Vader (check her facial expressions in ep. 3, when Vader killed the child from the village). I would have loved to see how Inquisitors came to be from her perspective, but alas, the hate boner triangle of Obi Wan-Vader-Reva made Inquisitors a little more than Radler Sith henchmen and the show more entertaining (for me). Also, it showed how diverse are traumas and how differently are processed by different Force users, breaking the simplicity of the emotionally-driven Sith and stoic, selfless Jedi paradigm. Maybe too much stuff for people wanting the space western of old, but for me, the show worked as it is.
The one thing I was hopin for especially with the emphasis of tuskens lately would’ve been a rework of obi vs a’sharad. Having him being a clone war jedi fighting obi and having that Anakin not only ruining the Jedi order but slaughtering his people could’ve been a neat story.
They threw out the EU in 2014. You want more A'Sharad Hett, push for new Legends, don't settle on the the streaming shows. You won't like EU in the new-canon context anyway. Look at Thrawn. Look at Durge.
I wish there was only 1 fight between Obi Wan and Vader. And I wish this fight was on Mustafar on or near Vader's caslte. I was hoping to hear stuff about Padme or maybe her tomb. I wanted less Reva because this was the Obi Wan show. I wanted more clone wars stuff!
I didn’t mind reva just because There have been several characters in Star Wars I haven’t liked when they’re first introduced but through multiple seasons n series They become great. My gripe with the show is not enough owen. Really thought we were gonna get more of him n his development
At that point it would be ridiculous that Anakin/Vader fights him 3 times and gets his ass handed to him each time. Even this second time makes his New Hope statement, being the "learner" when he left him, questionable, but that would completely destroy it.
I can't help but wonder how these streaming shows will even last. Certainly classic sci-fi cable episodes were better produced and had better visual and aesthetic realization. You got MORE from your investment. Me, I don't care, Legends is where my bias is, I don't care for the Disney timeline.
You nailed it. I enjoyed the show but it didn’t consistently hit the nostalgic notes like I thought it would. I can’t put my finger on it, but if you’re going to use veteran characters I expect more
I loved ewan in it but I wish instead of ceded and obiwan meeting Vader would’ve been doing there own thing and maybe feel each other through the force. Vader needs his own thing where just goes hunting jedi and rebels being ruthless
They threw out the old EU in 2014. Now I don't know if Disney counts the video games as part of their canon because they sure don't have the Legends banner, but they were made with continuity in mind, a concept Disney has completely forsaken.
@@sithlordteleportdinero5166 Even a fan can have the wrong attitude. Look at Dave Filoni. There's no doubt that he's a Star Wars fan at the end of the day, but to me, he has always had the WRONG ATTITUDE when it comes to handling the lore. He is every bit the Disney problem because the man does not like continuity and thinks he's too "special" to abide by it like everyone else has to do.
I hate using this word but theres no other way to describe this show. It was mid. Like It didnt ruin obi wans character like in boba or the ot characters in the sequels, however it just wasnt well written in a LOT of areas. By the last 2 epsiodes it FINALLY reached the quality we were expecting since episode one. Obi wan, vader, and all the original characters i feel were handled well, whislt all the new characters: roken, reva etc just didnt really hit or were written badly. Overall id say this is an improvement for disney star wars taking into account their past work, but still got a ways to go.
The people who are overly angry at this show, IMO, understand less about Star Wars then even the writers of this show do. This is not Vader from A New Hope. He's still ruled by his anger, hate, and pride. He's not the master that knows how to keep those in check but also knows how to use them when needed. At this point he's more worried about revenge than the Empire's plans and agendas. That's why he made the mistakes he made. Disney has screwed up Star Wars A LOT, but they consistently get Vader right I'd also like to address something else that people have talked about regarding Obi Wan picturing Leia and Luke for motivation. Those who are mad because he didn't flash back to the prequels show that they, again, understand Star Wars even less than the writers of the show. Why would Obi Wan flashback for motivation? Jedi can't have attachments and most importantly, Jedi do not mourn or miss the dead. Yoda has explained this concept so many times that it's gospel and anyone saying that's what he should've thought about just don't get it. He thought about Leia and Luke because they were the future. Their only chance at defeating the Sith and saving the galaxy. He thought about Leia and Luke because that's who and what he needed to fight for at that moment. He didn't need to fight for Anakin or Qui Gon or other dead people. They're one with the Force. Hell if anything, thinking of Anakin would've left him being more merciful than he was. Also, he left Vader because killing unarmed or helpless opponents is not the Jedi way. The Reeva complaints and other such nonsense I agree with. Disney got Vader right though, as they always do, and this fight was absolutely amazing. Come on people.
I don't see most people complaining that this shows primary problem was it's lack of flashbacks though. Sure, some, but most people (me included) seem to have problems severe problems with the plot making no sense, characters making terrible decisions constantly and character motivations not lining up.
Dragon ball does this all the time. They are doing it right now with super. But its cool when some franchises do it. And horrible when other franchises do
I think there at the point where they know they are not gonna satisfy everyone they know there’s always gonna be that group that complains & cry’s So like dragon ball z Akira Toriyama They’re going to put out what they want & break certain things we call canon! and we’re still gonna watch it as fans! So it is what it is don’t grow Gray hairs over it……….
See, I'd be happy with the Skywalker Saga if it was new Legends, but they don't do that. Luke didn't fail to rebuild the Jedi Order in Legends. Despite all the hardships, they have endured.
Reva character completely unnecessary. The actress didn’t deserve the hate though. Too much Leia. Ewan McGregor is incredible. I gave this season a solid 7.5. Disney stay away from making movies as they are garbage. Stick with tv
I don't think Reeva was a diversity hire. Mind you Star Wars has always been inclusive similar to the X Men the themes are anti fascists, anti racists the bad guys the imperials and the first order were definitely inspired by the rise of nazism and the Nazis. That being said Disney has pondered to the Asian markets in the New trilogy including being racist themselves with making Finn character minimized on the poster. Also Lucas was an inclusive guy before Disney bought Star Wars. And Star Wars since empire has always been commercialized bro. They used setting and new species to promote toys. Shit their toys have almost made them more money then there movies. That being said I do like your review but those things bothered me slightly. Adding a black actress as a lead or an pivotal character isn't woke or is a diversity clout. Star Wars has a black fan base they don't need black characters to sell to a black audience. What j don't like about Disney is when they force things but don't give character development like have a gay couple kiss in the background now that is what your talking about. She was a fleshed out character whether you liked her or not doesn't matter.
Tried watching star wars for the first time yesterday i saw IV and its just not interesting no joke I had to be in my phone for most of it just so i dont fall asleep . and thats supposed to be one of the best ones??😭😭
I really enjoyed this show, prequel Obi-Wan is my favorite character in all of Star Wars so I was glad to see him back and better imo. I thought they messed up with the 3rd Sister but honestly she wasn't my focus so it doesn't change how I feel about the show although it did bother me a lot cause I really wanted them to get one lead black character right in Star Wars but they failed again lol Other than that I feel like y'all old Star Wars fans are way too hung up on canon and the original trilogy in general. I don't think the retcons and plotholes change anything important at all. It's like being mad that Dragon Ball Super changed the Potara earrings so that they last an hour instead of forever, it really doesn't matter if they can separated by other means anyways and it really doesn't matter when Vader and Obi-Wan last met or if Leia knew Obi-Wan before or not
Even if this show was in a vacuum, separated from the rest of the SW universe, it had too many failings to stand on its own. The consistent and omnipresent plot holes mattered because they shatter immersion and break the stakes of most scenes. The stakes where already at an all time low, because we know almost every character on screen survives intact, so to fail to bring in any other source of tension was crippling for me. What had me so puzzled was how the show presented reeva's character. Her motivation the entire show is to kill Vader, because he took her family - so she climbs to the top of an organization dedicated to the genocide of people (and kids) like her....and then the show has the balls to give her a pass on this by the end because she doesn't do one more child murder. I didn't even understand why she would want to kill Luke to begin with, but this just passes by as if it's obvious.
@@jordanryan2497 I agree with the last paragraph, that was my issue with her, she didn’t make any sense anymore after that reveal in episode 5. I guess she wanted to kill Luke to get back at Vader but I still think it’s a stretch for her to realize that “the boy” that Leia’s father mentioned was Vader’s kid and I don’t think they revealed that she figured it out either The thing about the retcons/plot holes is that they were centered around things that are brought up once in the original trilogy and were easily explained to fit into the plot in the show anyways. It’s the same with the prequels and all that they added and may contradicted to the canon of the original trilogy including what we originally thought was the last time Obi-Wan and Vader fought. The only difference between the prequels and this show is one came out during y’all’s childhood and one came out during y’all’s adulthood because none of them were originally part of the canon I thought the show did a good job with creating tension, I know Obi-Wan survives in moments like episode 2, 3, 5, and 6 I was still wondering how he’d make it out of those situations
The plot holes and retcons show that the material is actually not being respected and is being treated lol a product. The OT fans and people that are hung up on canon are right to demand that a story that is supposed to fit between the OT and Prequels respects those periods and adds to it, not take away.
@@NiyiDaNinja I would disagree. Obi-Wan looks worse now since he could’ve killed Darth Vader again but let him go but later demands for Luke to kill him in ROTJ. What made him change his mind? More deaths that he allows? Obi-Wan also failed at his one and only job of keeping Luke safe. And Darth Vader looks more incompetent by leaving Reva alive and letting the ship with Leia on it get away because he’s “so focused on Kenobi”
I thought Leia was adorable. Obi Wan was great! Vader was like the Star Wars boogeyman and I love that. Reva was an interesting character and I hope to see more of her. Also just more of the Inquisitors in general. I think this show would have been perfect as a movie. PS: I didn’t mind the Disney Star Wars trilogy
Such a bad review. Like you almost didnt mention anything that went on. You just complained about how this wasnt the obi wan series you wanted. "Its not too woke". Define woke
This Reva series was okay, I really liked how Obi wan was in it though, maybe he should get his own show.
Kenobi had double the screentime
@@oXRaptorzXo the opening shot was to setup Reva’s character. Without her the story doesn’t work, so she’s just as important as Obi Wan in this show
@@MourningCoffeeMusic that’s called an antagonist. In loads of media the first scene is about the antagonist
Funny sarcasm.
@@MourningCoffeeMusic No she isn't. She's an example what obi wan could have become. I loved Reva
Too much Reva scenes in a show that was supposed to about Kenobi. They should've introduced her in Andor. Also, Reva surviving two lightsaber stabs (especially as a padawan) by Anakin is stupid. She didn't even receive any permanent injuries (which she should have after getting her stomach incinerated twice). Obi-Wan spending this much time with Leia and meeting Luke is borderline lore breaking, Qui-Gon having the ability to appear as a force ghost instead of just being able to speak to someone is lore breaking. Leia chase scenes were goofy. Obi-Wan being anywhere near Vader's power level 10 years after ROTS while not training at all and barely being able to use the force in episode 2 is laughable, let alone being strong enough to beat him without receiving any significant injuries. During this time period, we are talking about peak Vader, who has insanely ridiculous feats in the new canon comics. Obi-Wan being able to clown on him with rock throws was insulting, since Vader should be able to easily send those back at him. It was a good looking fight, but it's nowhere near the "rematch of the century", their ROTS fight was still miles better.
Kenobi deciding that Luke shouldn't be trained, right after letting Darth Vader live (which was also stupid) and knowing that he is Anakin is pathetic. Obviously these needs to happen because of the existing lore but its a shame that they wrote themselves in situations like this just for easy views through nostalgia baits. This show has barely produced anything new that people will remember in a few weeks. All the good moments came from either Vader being badass or callbacks to the prequels.
Vader should have never met obi wan in this, if anything it should have been a dark force user as the villain or a rogue jedi or even a bounty hunter as the main villain, leia should never been in the show either.
but that's just my opinion
I’m ok with reva just because Lots of sw characters can start of annoying n then develop into something great over several series/seasons. Ashoka was super obnoxious at first. I just feel wasted potential with owen
Vader's feats in the comics are almost too much. Nobody would buy it in live action. Alot of casuals will always think Vader is badass, but only in design because they still think about his clunky movements in the original trilogy
Man can your criticize actually be about the show and not about how someone you feel shouldn't survive something
I personally loved that first chase scene with Leia, Reva getting stabbed in the chest with a lightsaber *twice*, and that trench coat scene was pretty funny too
I personally loved how they intertwined Hayden’s voice with Jone’s voice at the end
"It is what it is."
-WorldofGeekdom, back of Obi Wan DVD/Blu Ray case
All I want to know about Reva is HOW THE F*CK is she alive?????
Kenobi is The Last Jedi of The Prequel/Original Trilogies.
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I kinda disagree in that I saw a LOT of ppl online wanting Obi-Wan movie/show for years and wanted Vader/Maul to show up in that. Disney gave ppl that. Now, how ppl felt about that I think is up to everyone individually but honestly as a fan of the prequels and grew up with that as my introduction to Star Wars, while not perfect, I really enjoyed this show and actually kind of felt that passion for Star Wars again which I hadn’t felt for years.
All the Vader and Obi-Wan scenes were the best. It honestly could’ve been it’s own movie, and that final fight was amazing. But everything else was kinda boring tbh
I found myself cringing every time kid Leia had lines of dialogue... not sure why
i beg to differ vader after episode 3 in old canon is much stronger then obiwon during this time period
Disney's been squeezing blood from the stone so much it's turned into gravel, and they still won't let up
They've just burned so much fan goodwill, and keep burning up more, yet they refuse to listen.
I really appreciate your perspective on things outside of Dragon Ball and I mostly agree.
What it's really missing that were in all the old Star Wars movies is George Lucas all these new stories are hurting because they don't have his touch
Yes. Everything in the old canon carried his spirit, despite what the haters say, from the literary side of the universe, to the licensed material, to the video games, to the television shows. Without George Lucas, there is no Star Wars. My Star Wars is Legends. That's it. Nothing Disney does interests me.
I enjoyed this show but for me personally. The OT & mando are the only real great things to come out of Star Wars and they're the only things that count in my book. But these are only my opinions.
James earl jones didn’t actually do the lines , a company basically made his voice into ai
then why is he in the credits?
@@Sacrengard because it’s his voice they use
@@smxkey0465 and wich company did it?
@@Sacrengard it says in the credits can’t remember the name
@@smxkey0465 right, does it specifically say what they did in the credits?
I think the fact that we're calling is season 1 is already a red flag.
I stand by my opinion that this franchise should not exist even if we like Hayden and Ewan in their iconic roles.
He sounded like the Vader of old because it was actually James Earl Jones performing the voice.
They used digital and ai technology to help make his recorded audio sound closer to that of episode 4. They didn't do that in rogue one, which is why he sounds so different
I liked the show but I agree it’s time for Disney Star Wars to focus on their own original characters and if you want to set it around the movie timeline a few cameos are ok. If we never see young, post return of the Jedi Luke again I wouldn’t be mad even though I liked it. Leave the legacy characters as the heroes they are in our imagination
And in Legends, yet Disney leaves that as a rotted, dead universe.
Very good review man. Your on point with this stuff
I’m having Rey skywalker issues with this show. Fun to watch but in my mind Vader and Kenobi last saw each other on Mustafar and Leia never met him Kenobi.
Power scaling makes sense. Vader is only 80 percent of the emperor. His suit and his injuries from Mustafar have crippled his force capabilities.
Not to mention obi Wan is a powerful force wielder and duelist and always has been. Him unleashing that onslaught was him giving into his full potential.
Obi-Wan is the opposite of a powerful force wielder. He became a master because of his lightsaber skills, but he was never gifted when it came to the force.
@@arpadszabo661 he didn't have natural gift ability. He had to work ten times as hard as a typical jedi but by the time and even concluding the clone wars He was considered on par with the likes of Mace and Yoda.
The original scripts for Return of the Jedi Obi Wan and Yoda were suppose to appear and fight the emperor with Luke. OBI Wan transcending into the force that is a great feat in itself. He is a very powerful jedi.
He is not just a great duelist he doesn't get as much credit as a force user. That being said he didn't defeat Anakin because of his force ability. Anakin is still stronger. Similar to SS3 Goku being weaker than Kid Buu yet Goku was able to defeat Kid Buu with the spirit bomb and ample time giving by Vegeta. Not always the most powerful that wins in the fight Obi Wan has out witted and beaten Vader with patience and other means.
Power scaling is a concept Filoni and Disney have thoroughly thrown out.
@@saberiandream316 doesn't matter what they want to throw out. We know power scaling is a real thing with these characters they all aren't created equal in force ability or power.
If Vader was close to the emperor power he would of risked overthrowing him, he clearly is not.
@@davidcici11Evolution Well, the clapping seals still bring them the profits and attention they want, so they're free to do whatever they want. They don't care about you, and they don't care about the story or the fans. It's that simple. You don't like, don't watch. I don't. I never signed up to Disney+ and I never saw Mandalorian. Not a big Filoni fan. He's so overrated.
Totally agree with your analysis and glad you’re not be biased either way
Off topic can you do a review of the black phone
I don't accept rejecting reva as a character bc ppl wanted this to be a certain thing... I am tired of old characters personally!
If anyone wants to see a much better Obi-Wan adventure between Episodes 3 and 4, check out the Kenobi book from Legends
Or Jedi Apprentice! God, I love those books... Fisney can go duck a suck.
I would like Disney to not make the episodes longer than 25 minutes anymore. Almost all the shows suffer from dragging pacing, which thin out the plot. Also, the TV show is like Dragon Ball Super - it suffers from a lack of real tension. You can either watch it or not, but you will know the outcome. As for changing cannon, well, that happened since ESB and especially, with the prequels. For example, for me, a 22 years old Vader in the suit still feels more tragic and shocking than a Vader closer to Sebastian Shaw's age in ROTJ, thus more middle aged when he became a father. In the Kenobi series, a conflicted, greener Vader still has that trait of a young man with his full life ahead not fully accepting that those days are over and he is what he became. It is just sad...
Then, I do not have a problem with Reva - she was a plot device, a tool, and she was overcompensating and all over the place (yes, this type of person is annoying in real life as well) as a baddy, for her own agenda, as she did not belong alongside Vader (check her facial expressions in ep. 3, when Vader killed the child from the village). I would have loved to see how Inquisitors came to be from her perspective, but alas, the hate boner triangle of Obi Wan-Vader-Reva made Inquisitors a little more than Radler Sith henchmen and the show more entertaining (for me). Also, it showed how diverse are traumas and how differently are processed by different Force users, breaking the simplicity of the emotionally-driven Sith and stoic, selfless Jedi paradigm. Maybe too much stuff for people wanting the space western of old, but for me, the show worked as it is.
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The one thing I was hopin for especially with the emphasis of tuskens lately would’ve been a rework of obi vs a’sharad. Having him being a clone war jedi fighting obi and having that Anakin not only ruining the Jedi order but slaughtering his people could’ve been a neat story.
They threw out the EU in 2014. You want more A'Sharad Hett, push for new Legends, don't settle on the the streaming shows. You won't like EU in the new-canon context anyway. Look at Thrawn. Look at Durge.
I wish there was only 1 fight between Obi Wan and Vader. And I wish this fight was on Mustafar on or near Vader's caslte. I was hoping to hear stuff about Padme or maybe her tomb. I wanted less Reva because this was the Obi Wan show. I wanted more clone wars stuff!
I didn’t mind reva just because There have been several characters in Star Wars I haven’t liked when they’re first introduced but through multiple seasons n series They become great. My gripe with the show is not enough owen. Really thought we were gonna get more of him n his development
I wonder what they will do in Season 2? Will Obi-Wan and Vader fight AGAIN?
I hope not...
At that point it would be ridiculous that Anakin/Vader fights him 3 times and gets his ass handed to him each time. Even this second time makes his New Hope statement, being the "learner" when he left him, questionable, but that would completely destroy it.
Knowing Disney, its gonna be darth maul and break the lore even more
I can't help but wonder how these streaming shows will even last. Certainly classic sci-fi cable episodes were better produced and had better visual and aesthetic realization. You got MORE from your investment. Me, I don't care, Legends is where my bias is, I don't care for the Disney timeline.
You nailed it. I enjoyed the show but it didn’t consistently hit the nostalgic notes like I thought it would. I can’t put my finger on it, but if you’re going to use veteran characters I expect more
I loved ewan in it but I wish instead of ceded and obiwan meeting Vader would’ve been doing there own thing and maybe feel each other through the force. Vader needs his own thing where just goes hunting jedi and rebels being ruthless
The Obi-Wan was not needed, but it is what it is
Really enjoyed the last two episodes. Had an okayish start but overal it was good.
I don’t think it altered the canon but added to it. Added explanations that weren’t needed. But nothing was really changed tbh
However I had same conflicting feeling and agreed with most of it.
They admit they don't care about canon and continuity. Just shut up and consume. And be grateful for it.
Yo is General Younglingus cannon?
I wanted more Vader and Obi-Wan badly but not quite this way. The show just doesn't even hold a candle to Stranger Things. They need to up their game.
I'd be mad if they didnt show Qui Gon...
You described it perfectly.
Hopefully season 2 will have the Maul fight
You really should listen to EFAP’s coverage of this show….
Spot on sir
Honestly, this show felt like the Dragon Ball Super of Star Wars. If that makes any sense.
They spent so much money on Stormtrooper outfits that they have to get their money's worth.
You can't please everyone. I really liked the show. I hope for a 2 season
that’s how you know the movie directors didn’t play Star Wars battlefront two because if they did Obi-Wan would’ve just been blocking the whole time
They threw out the old EU in 2014. Now I don't know if Disney counts the video games as part of their canon because they sure don't have the Legends banner, but they were made with continuity in mind, a concept Disney has completely forsaken.
@@saberiandream316 yea all i was tryna say is that the people making the star wars movies at disney aren’t actually star wars fans and you can tell.
@@sithlordteleportdinero5166 Even a fan can have the wrong attitude. Look at Dave Filoni. There's no doubt that he's a Star Wars fan at the end of the day, but to me, he has always had the WRONG ATTITUDE when it comes to handling the lore. He is every bit the Disney problem because the man does not like continuity and thinks he's too "special" to abide by it like everyone else has to do.
@@saberiandream316 so are you saying we must deem david filoni an enemy
I hate using this word but theres no other way to describe this show. It was mid. Like It didnt ruin obi wans character like in boba or the ot characters in the sequels, however it just wasnt well written in a LOT of areas. By the last 2 epsiodes it FINALLY reached the quality we were expecting since episode one. Obi wan, vader, and all the original characters i feel were handled well, whislt all the new characters: roken, reva etc just didnt really hit or were written badly. Overall id say this is an improvement for disney star wars taking into account their past work, but still got a ways to go.
The people who are overly angry at this show, IMO, understand less about Star Wars then even the writers of this show do. This is not Vader from A New Hope. He's still ruled by his anger, hate, and pride. He's not the master that knows how to keep those in check but also knows how to use them when needed. At this point he's more worried about revenge than the Empire's plans and agendas. That's why he made the mistakes he made. Disney has screwed up Star Wars A LOT, but they consistently get Vader right
I'd also like to address something else that people have talked about regarding Obi Wan picturing Leia and Luke for motivation. Those who are mad because he didn't flash back to the prequels show that they, again, understand Star Wars even less than the writers of the show. Why would Obi Wan flashback for motivation? Jedi can't have attachments and most importantly, Jedi do not mourn or miss the dead. Yoda has explained this concept so many times that it's gospel and anyone saying that's what he should've thought about just don't get it. He thought about Leia and Luke because they were the future. Their only chance at defeating the Sith and saving the galaxy. He thought about Leia and Luke because that's who and what he needed to fight for at that moment. He didn't need to fight for Anakin or Qui Gon or other dead people. They're one with the Force. Hell if anything, thinking of Anakin would've left him being more merciful than he was. Also, he left Vader because killing unarmed or helpless opponents is not the Jedi way.
The Reeva complaints and other such nonsense I agree with. Disney got Vader right though, as they always do, and this fight was absolutely amazing. Come on people.
Totally agree with you
I don't see most people complaining that this shows primary problem was it's lack of flashbacks though. Sure, some, but most people (me included) seem to have problems severe problems with the plot making no sense, characters making terrible decisions constantly and character motivations not lining up.
Geekdom with the SAT words.
Dragon ball does this all the time. They are doing it right now with super. But its cool when some franchises do it. And horrible when other franchises do
Idk I liked the show and I think it added more positive things than negative. I understand why people don’t like it but it was good to me.
I thought it was really good and the final fight was great
I guess TBOBF was corporate too.
I think there at the point where they know they are not gonna satisfy everyone they know there’s always gonna be that group that complains & cry’s
So like dragon ball z Akira Toriyama They’re going to put out what they want & break certain things we call canon! and we’re still gonna watch it as fans! So it is what it is don’t grow Gray hairs over it……….
Disney needs to stop milking The Skywalker Saga and move on to new projects.
See, I'd be happy with the Skywalker Saga if it was new Legends, but they don't do that. Luke didn't fail to rebuild the Jedi Order in Legends. Despite all the hardships, they have endured.
a lot can happen in 20 years I guess
i don’t want a second season of obi wan. I liked it but this should be the end for the obi wan series.
Reva character completely unnecessary. The actress didn’t deserve the hate though. Too much Leia. Ewan McGregor is incredible. I gave this season a solid 7.5. Disney stay away from making movies as they are garbage. Stick with tv
I don't think Reeva was a diversity hire. Mind you Star Wars has always been inclusive similar to the X Men the themes are anti fascists, anti racists the bad guys the imperials and the first order were definitely inspired by the rise of nazism and the Nazis. That being said Disney has pondered to the Asian markets in the New trilogy including being racist themselves with making Finn character minimized on the poster. Also Lucas was an inclusive guy before Disney bought Star Wars. And Star Wars since empire has always been commercialized bro. They used setting and new species to promote toys. Shit their toys have almost made them more money then there movies.
That being said I do like your review but those things bothered me slightly. Adding a black actress as a lead or an pivotal character isn't woke or is a diversity clout. Star Wars has a black fan base they don't need black characters to sell to a black audience. What j don't like about Disney is when they force things but don't give character development like have a gay couple kiss in the background now that is what your talking about. She was a fleshed out character whether you liked her or not doesn't matter.
it was undramatic. was not impressed with the writing.
This isn’t cannon but dragon ball super is 🤨 with inconsistencies
Tried watching star wars for the first time yesterday i saw IV and its just not interesting no joke I had to be in my phone for most of it just so i dont fall asleep . and thats supposed to be one of the best ones??😭😭
stop kissing Disney's @ss!!! Thats my advice!!! This was not a good show and had real bad writing.
I really enjoyed this show, prequel Obi-Wan is my favorite character in all of Star Wars so I was glad to see him back and better imo. I thought they messed up with the 3rd Sister but honestly she wasn't my focus so it doesn't change how I feel about the show although it did bother me a lot cause I really wanted them to get one lead black character right in Star Wars but they failed again lol
Other than that I feel like y'all old Star Wars fans are way too hung up on canon and the original trilogy in general. I don't think the retcons and plotholes change anything important at all. It's like being mad that Dragon Ball Super changed the Potara earrings so that they last an hour instead of forever, it really doesn't matter if they can separated by other means anyways and it really doesn't matter when Vader and Obi-Wan last met or if Leia knew Obi-Wan before or not
Even if this show was in a vacuum, separated from the rest of the SW universe, it had too many failings to stand on its own.
The consistent and omnipresent plot holes mattered because they shatter immersion and break the stakes of most scenes.
The stakes where already at an all time low, because we know almost every character on screen survives intact, so to fail to bring in any other source of tension was crippling for me.
What had me so puzzled was how the show presented reeva's character. Her motivation the entire show is to kill Vader, because he took her family - so she climbs to the top of an organization dedicated to the genocide of people (and kids) like her....and then the show has the balls to give her a pass on this by the end because she doesn't do one more child murder. I didn't even understand why she would want to kill Luke to begin with, but this just passes by as if it's obvious.
@@jordanryan2497 I agree with the last paragraph, that was my issue with her, she didn’t make any sense anymore after that reveal in episode 5. I guess she wanted to kill Luke to get back at Vader but I still think it’s a stretch for her to realize that “the boy” that Leia’s father mentioned was Vader’s kid and I don’t think they revealed that she figured it out either
The thing about the retcons/plot holes is that they were centered around things that are brought up once in the original trilogy and were easily explained to fit into the plot in the show anyways. It’s the same with the prequels and all that they added and may contradicted to the canon of the original trilogy including what we originally thought was the last time Obi-Wan and Vader fought. The only difference between the prequels and this show is one came out during y’all’s childhood and one came out during y’all’s adulthood because none of them were originally part of the canon
I thought the show did a good job with creating tension, I know Obi-Wan survives in moments like episode 2, 3, 5, and 6 I was still wondering how he’d make it out of those situations
The plot holes and retcons show that the material is actually not being respected and is being treated lol a product. The OT fans and people that are hung up on canon are right to demand that a story that is supposed to fit between the OT and Prequels respects those periods and adds to it, not take away.
@@lakersfan2425 my thing is they took away nothing important or concrete and gave us more Obi-Wan and Vader
@@NiyiDaNinja I would disagree. Obi-Wan looks worse now since he could’ve killed Darth Vader again but let him go but later demands for Luke to kill him in ROTJ. What made him change his mind? More deaths that he allows? Obi-Wan also failed at his one and only job of keeping Luke safe. And Darth Vader looks more incompetent by leaving Reva alive and letting the ship with Leia on it get away because he’s “so focused on Kenobi”
I thought the show was fine. All this complaining is what is uncalled for.
I thought Leia was adorable. Obi Wan was great! Vader was like the Star Wars boogeyman and I love that. Reva was an interesting character and I hope to see more of her. Also just more of the Inquisitors in general. I think this show would have been perfect as a movie.
PS: I didn’t mind the Disney Star Wars trilogy
This show was not good
Such a bad review. Like you almost didnt mention anything that went on. You just complained about how this wasnt the obi wan series you wanted. "Its not too woke". Define woke