I’m literally having tears watching this!! And I love the hug so much!! It’s been years!! Finally the mystery solved, and this is what a healthy civil communication looks like and should be!! Thank you both Dr Mike and Dr Hope💗💗👍👍🫶🫶I honestly thought we never gonna find out what actually happened back then, wow!!🥺🥹thank you😇
Was a kid with allergic reaction to blackflies. Living in Quebec. No way to know why I was doing so poorly. I had to go to emergency room. Several hours wait, but luckily in a safer space in case something went wrong.
@@bethiciaprasek9415my mum was allergic to black fly bites too. Her eyes swelled up. Me, I was allergic to mosquito bites and the bites would swell up like crazy, I’m not so bad now.
As an American, I gotta say I would absolutely 100% let a medical procedure on me be livestreamed if it meant getting it for free from a qualified doctor. No hesitation.
100000% especially if it’s something like a surgery or procedure that is hard to get approved by insurance but your doctor sees as necessary. I went through 4 ACL “repairs” that my surgeon kept telling the insurance that repairing the ACL was not a good idea and we needed to replace it. They kept refusing. From 2016-2020 I wore a full stabilization brace every single day. It went from mid thy to mid calf. I had my knee drained then filled with cortisol every 3-4 months and they still refused to let him replace it. In December 2019 I blew the ACL beyond repair and he FINALLY convinced them it was beyond repair. Had he been able to just replace it the first time then it would have saved me so much pain and discomfort. And they would have spent less money on all the doc appointments, custom fit braces, knee drainages, etc. I absolutely hate that insurance nickels and dimes our doctors and basically they have to fight with insurance for every little thing.
You definitely gotta respect Dr.Hope for keeping it raw and 100% about his feelings and emotions with everything in the beginning and still being able to communicate it all SOOO well.
You definitely gotta respect Dr.Hope for keeping it raw and 100% about his feelings and emotions with everything in the beginning and still being able to communicate it all SOOO well.
I wish dr Mike was my doctor--I think he might actually listen to me. I have an issue I’ve tried many times to get handled. At this rate I think it’ll kill me.
@@WonderLady I was thinking about this when they were talking about how society has changed and people just want to call up and get a prescription instead of getting the attention they need. I think most people would prefer the attention but they are so used to talking to Doctors that can't or won't give it to them that they'd just rather get the minimal treatment they can get over with.
As someone who is extremely grateful for the NHS, I would stop paying the paper pushing bureaucrats extraordinary high wages and pay our doctors and nurses properly
Tbh I think the NHS needs more of everything - including people doing the paperwork, admin, co-ordination, etc. There's so much room for better organisation and co-ordination, not just treatment.
you'd be lucky if they even lifted a finger to push paper 🤣 they sit around, take a couple of calls (destroying lives while doing so) and then enjoy their insane paycheques!
They resolved beef on the internet in a polite and understandable way. Each gave both their perspectives and both understood each other with no hate. Maybe there is hope yet for this world....
As an American living in the UK, it’s fascinating to hear them discussing the differences in our healthcare. The NHS has been incredible for me, even if I have waited a bit at times.
@@Atomsk0192 I can 😂 one was called for me back in the states when I thought I was having an allergic reaction. I didn’t even ride in the ambulance and I got a bill for $2000 after, lol. Over here in the UK, I’ve never had to think twice about calling an ambulance for myself or others in a time of need!
@@jamiestryker5898 And that's why many of us want something like the NHS. Most of us have to wait months to get a doctors appointment anyway, and we won't have to worry about going bankrupt during what might be the worst moment of our lives.
As a Brit in the US, I am familiar with the pro’s and con’s of both countries healthcare systems and it was so interesting to hear this discussed from a practitioner’s point of view. As a human being, how reassuring to see two individuals own their actions and resolve mis-communications with grace, empathy and humour, face to face. Loved it, good job guys.
Agreed! It's really interesting hearing both systems discussed. I think it really highlights that there isn't a model that works in an ideal way, but opportunities to find ways to improve on what each of our countries are using.
I gotta ask and I have no idea if you’ll see this or not. But have you had any interaction with the healthcare here in the US and what’s your thoughts on it? I just know living here there’s a big push for public healthcare with the main argument being “anti socialist” with most people not really knowing what that means
@@Kiefer0612 I hope you don't mind my speaking up, but I'm an American who lived in England for a little over a year, and have had experience with both. I moved to the UK long before Obamacare was put in place, and was given access to the public healthcare system in England. And, I have to say, it was nothing short of a dream! I went from being uninsured and able to afford literally nothing by way of healthcare, to being able to walk into a hospital just about anywhere, and have whatever ailment I needed help with taken care of, free of charge! Even medication costs were slashed down to affordable costs! There were longer wait times to see a doctor since most people just walked in rather than made an appointment, and because so many people were utilizing the system, and that did lead to stressors for the doctors that weighed a bit on the medical care received, in that the doctors seemed a bit more tired and overworked in my experience, but that by no means translated out to my care being subpar to what I've received in the US. All in all, I was overjoyed with the health care I received there, and was so happy as a result when Obamacare finally kicked in here in the States! Anyway, I hope that helps! If you have any questions, feel free to ask! UA-cam is terrible at alerting me to when people are talking to me directly, but if I see your response, I will answer!
@@crow_feather you’re good man, that’s super interesting. Like I know it comes out of taxes and puts more burden on the doctors but it just sounds like a better system as a whole and I wish Americans (specifically 50 and older) would wise up to it and stop being so pig headed about new ideas. it sounds like you can even get private insurance if you REALLY want it. Obviously I have no idea how much it is over there though.
Two genuinely sweet, respectable doctors/people who are drama free. They both have a passion for their jobs, their fans, their communities and their artistry ( UA-cam work). Much respect to you both!
This is why I respect both of these men. They are a perfect example of how an open dialogue between two people can not only serve as a method to address an existing conflict but also open the door to understanding and common ground shared by those who have dedicated large aspects of their lives to helping their fellow man. Good on ya Docs!
Recently here in Turkiye, I had consultations with 2 different doctors; upon hearing I give English lessons, they immediately started talking in English saying they are about to move to the UK and work within the NHS. When I asked them whether they were worried about the current NHS crisis, they both went ‘We are used to stress, hard work, being underpaid, but we desperately need peace (=‘huzur’) in our lives’. It’s sad for Turkiye, but great for the NHS I suppose.
I think the term for that is a ‘brain drain’ when a country/company cannot provide its talent what they need, they go elsewhere Edit: the proper term is human capital flight
@FreePigeon absolutely true. My sister, consultant paediatrician, has been so badly treated by the NHS that she's looking into moving to NZ or Australia. Never the US, because she believes in healthcare that is free at the point of need.
I’m currently waiting for a neurologist appointment on the NHS for chronic migraines that cause me constant pain. The waiting period is 36 weeks- I was referred in November and won’t be seen until August. It’s frustrating and disappointing but not really surprising. The truth is that the NHS has been chronically underfunded, as has the social care system. You mentioned community mental health- my partner’s mum is a community mental health nurse and during the pandemic the number of nurses on her team dropped from 12 to 9 with burnout and long covid. The trust decided that, because the other 9 nurses worked their arses off to cope with the extra workload and just about managed, they weren’t going to fill the vacancies to save money. Now there are only 7 nurses to cover the same area which 3 years ago had 12. It’s just not possible to provide the same level of care without the appropriate resources
Yeah it doesn’t help that the mental health system in the UK was broken way before the pandemic, maybe if it had been properly funded pre pandemic it may have coped with the pandemic but it wasn’t and the pandemic has just destroyed it
The same is happening in Ontario Canada. I have to wait 3 months for an MRI to check on an injury I got from being hit by a car 7 years ago that wasn’t treated properly at the time of my accident. To be honest the care I got in the emergency room in 2016 was worse than the care my father got after a car accident in 1987
The thing is, there are waiting lists just like this in the US, too. It depends where you live, same as here in the uk. It also depends on who your insurance is through and what Dr is on their plan and in your area. If they only have one or two specialists they'll cover, you'll be left waiting just as long, if not longer. Wait times of several months is not unusual in the US. It's also not unusual to be referred to another Dr or even be given a prescription and then your insurance denies coverage because they don't think that's necessary! I've lived in the U.K. for 19 years and have given birth, had lifesaving surgery aftercare ectopic rupture, and had surgery and received a cochlear hearing device after a decade of eat infections,which didn't respond well to treatments, caused hearing loss. No bills, no copay, and the cost of contributions to the nhs is less than one month of US health insurance. I've seen the nhs suffer over the last decade of so under conservative leadership basically stealing funds in a step towards forcing American style insurance here, and I'm telling you, you won't want that! It won't make times to down and quality of care to up.
In our state we have rural hospitals but waiting periods for specialist about 3-4 hour drives takes months or years. Even for children. My mom's took 2 years.
It's nice to see Ed Hope here. He's the first doc youtuber I followed after doc mike. Still a fan to this day and still rewatch his reactions to Cells at Work as it helped me pass my biology class.
As someone who is disabled with many many health problems i am so grateful for our NHS and the hard working people in the NHS. Emergency as in deadly our hospitals are amazing. Saved my life 3 times. So thank you to anyone working in the NHS ❤
@@FallenAngel9979 facts id happily pay slightly higher tax if it meant higher funding for the nhs, although sadly with the conservatives in power it’s not necessarily gonna go to where it’s needed
I’m in Canada and disabled from being hit by a car and I have never experienced such medical neglect in my life. I point out a problem that I have as a result of being hit and it doesn’t get dealt with unless I yell.
There's something so comfy and snug about that dark blue podcast room, two leather chairs, and calm conversation. A snug little hideaway in a harsh and crazy world. Thank you gentlemen for being the consummate professionals you are.
What baffles me as an ER doctor and Neurologist is how in my country(Bulgaria) healthcare is literally in the palm of your hands. Example - you go to the ER for whatever reason at whatever time of the day/night , a doctor(many times a specialist) examines you for free , free blood work , scans etc in the same day. And people are not only unsatisfied they give examples how our system is trash :D
huh I wasn't sure if "literally in the palm of your hands" meant a good or bad thing... I initially interpreted it as "you gotta fight for yourself. You have to push to get things done", but I guess you actually meant "easily accessible". Great!
The fact that one of my doctors has to write "tumor" even though it is a "mass" so that my health insurance can cover the MRI is absolutely ridiculous. Also, no one ever told me that the labs also need their own copay! When the doctor sends my blood sample to a lab not covered by my health insurance, suddenly I have to pick up the bill!
This is why I cannot suggest enough calling your insurance _before_ a service. They can actually tell you what to expect. Every visit is a pie and every provider gets their slice. Most patients have their lab work go to deductible, where they pay 100% of the allowed amount until that is satisfied. Once the ded is satisfied, they pay a percentage of the allowed (20% for example) until they meet their out of pocket maximum, at which point, they have 0% coinsurance. NO ONE knows this unless it's explained to them. The education on how insurance works for healthcare just isn't a thing in the US and it's heartbreaking when people get caught off guard or just don't know!
Actually, you have a fighting chance to have the insurance pay for those labs, because it was your doctor who referred you/sent your samples. You can call them as ask for an appeal/review because this is plan directed care (it’s a Medicare term). And yes, if you’re in the US and have insurance (not including Medicaid or CHP type plans), you might end up having a cost share for every little thing you get done - you see a doctor, they do a test at the office, the office is at an outpatient facility, they collect samples that are sent to a lab, the lab tests them, the testing done in office is sent to a specialist for a review, you get a procedure done at an ambulatory surgical center, where you get anesthesia, plus the surgeon etc etc - every little piece of this sentence might end up being a separate charge 😅 Gotta love the American health system.
Having a PPO might mean they would pay anyway, just at the out of network rate. But, if a contracted physician requested the test, the PPO would usually pay the contracted rate too (I have a PPO, I paid rbe out of network rate only a couple of times in 10 years).
@@Carola16 Yes, tho for lab is likely OON ded before OON coins and most people never meet THEIR OON ded. Since the provider isn't contracted, they could balance bill as well. SOME PPO plans will adjust ONN to INN at the patients request tho if the requesting Phys is INN but it's no guarantee since more often, it'd be the scenario you're describing.
I believe all the stories I heard about the desperate situation of the NHS. However, as a British woman, I have not been personally affected by this. From my perspective, the NHS has been absolutely astounding, from comunity midwifery /home birth care, whenever my daughter has been ill, everytime I've needed GP support, the input for my elderly mum & dad's geriatric care, and so on and so forth. I appreciate that the NHS doesn’t have fancy facilities, the possible mismanagement of funds & too many middle managers, plus of course having longer waiting times. But my God, overall, it is the remaining gem in Btitain. We pay for the service through our taxes and we should fight to death to keep it in place, (rather than go down the greedy, capitalistic American insurance/pharma route). My understanding is the number 1 reason for bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. Completely sickening. For me, it is the NHS all day long!
Absolutely Preach!!! i am 27 and have spent my whole life in and out of hospital because of how crazy and rare my condition is. But the truth is without the NHS I would have died long ago. The system itself isn't the problem, its the chronic underdevelopment and underfunding from our government which seeks to burn the NHS to the ground in order to give a justification for privatisation.
this! without the NHS, i wouldn’t have my meds, which keep me alive. yes, there are loads of problems with it, but i can’t explain how grateful i am for it
Unfortunately unless something radical happens, it's a sinking ship. My mother has worked as a nurse in the NHS for over 30yrs and it's been on a steady decline since she can remember. And the working conditions were dreadful by the time she got to the end of her NHS career. It's no wonder nurses and doctors are leaving in droves. She left after the pandemic to work as a remote healthcare assessor for a private company and never looked back.
Contrast that to my experience as a US citizen who makes "above poverty thresholds": I have $200 in savings this month and if I so much as have a mild cough I'd probably start considering living in my car and showering in the gym.
It's like a breath of fresh air when influencers confront each other in front of their fans and viewers to clear up any "beef". Honestly it creates a a very positive impact on the online community! Kudos to Dr. Mike and Dr.Ed. 👏
The thing Mike said about how younger people treat going to the doctor is very true. I basically never have a reason to go so I don't have a primary care doctor. If anything bad came up I would just go to urgent care. However, recently I have been having some weird stomach pain so I finally went and found a family medicine doctor near me and made an appointment for a few weeks from now
i can relate🤚 my husband has always gotten regular checkups and gotten free medical because of work but i got a stomach pain and we headed to the er because, like you said, i dont have a doctor either. in the end i chickened out and left 🤷♀️
You don't even have to be young for having no primary. Where I am, unless you're really super lucky, on Medicare you end up at this one location (1* on the BBB ratings) that's about the equivalent of a butcher shop where you get charged for things you shouldn't, given drugs you shouldn't be taking, accused of being a dug addict when you aren't, you're prevented from seeing specialists even when it's needed, and they use the same gloves on multiple patients in a row. So, the choice for me is go to a place like that where they don't care and will very likely make you far worse, or go to urgent care when something comes up and otherwise do your own research in a smart way like any doctor and treat yourself (not assuming the worst on WebMD but being smart about it and comparing and contrasting and ruling in and out, etc.). It's a terrible situation. The really super lucky ones I mentioned are the very very few on Medicare who can actually get seen by good doctors (they're only required to take in a small handful of Medicare patients, so that's all they do). Those are the really lucky people.
I subscribed to Sick Notes at the beginning of the pandemic. I was frightened, sent home to work, and isolated. His videos helped me through a really tough and scary time. Love his Lego recreations! I found Dr. Mike later- my daughter told, or forwarded me a video and I was hooked. You are both wonderful. It's interesting to see perspectives from doctors in different countries. ❤
Totally agree. Different perspectives let us gain knowledge about stuff we couldn't see otherwise. For example, when the pandemic hit, I was also sent home to work, isolated, etc., and honestly it was the best time of my life. Sure, I was a bit scared of the plague, but otherwise it was heaven. I didn't have to go anywhere, I didn't have to fight traffic to get to a place I didn't wanna be, around people I didn't wanna be, only to fight traffic back home, throngs of people in the supermarket, etc. During the lockdowns, everything was catering to people staying home, it wasn't weird to order everything home delivery, home office became normalized, the streets were empty, the noise was gone, the air was cleaner, it was incredible. I know it sounds morbid saying this about a pandemic (and obviously it's terrible so many people died), but personally I loved every minute of it. Sorry not sorry. I understand for most people it was horror being cooped up in a flat, feeling like a prisoner, not being able to go and do what you want. But for some of us, it was pretty damn awesome.
Wow! The collab I never saw coming! It’s so nice to hear each of you speak on your perspectives of the situation. It really goes to show that most upset comes from misunderstandings and if people just talk to each other, things can really be worked out. This was a fantastic conversation.
knew about the issues you two had over the House reactions ages ago, it's great to see you guys have a sit-down conversation clearing the air! You're both great creators, always better to work together than against each other!
I didn't know there was beef between these two. Ive seen a couple of Dr. Hope's videos and while they were similar I never considered him a copy. They are both medical professionals in different medical fields and they both run their channels to educate. As such when one misses a detail the other can come in with new information or they can share different points of views they may have or even share different facts depending on their specialization and career. Everything someone does is going to derive from someone else because there is always someone before you. Its not about what you do, its about what you add and im sure Dr. Hope running his channel will add more medical information to the metaphorical pool than doctor mike alone.
I always like seeing multiple professionals react to these videos. That way, assuming they react fairly similar which they usually do, it actually extra validates their expert opinion. That way, it's not just one UA-camr doing this, it means what they're saying is probably correct.
This is why I love watching 3-4 different people reacting to something I'm interested in. They all have something different to bring to the table and even if they share the same opinion it only strengthens said opinion.
This was so cool. We get to see doctors on both sides of the pond as 'real' people. Thank you BOTH for sharing so honestly. In truth, doctors, specialists, nurses, porters, you know - we can't do without any of you. I wish you both very well and appreciate your hard work, dedication and compassion. Greetings from North Wales UK.
This was so sweet! ❤ I was entirely unaware of the beef, but I know how easy it is to get pissed off at people online and say things you wouldn't to anyone you were talking to face-to-face. Especially as creators, when you feel like someone took an idea from you - even if you rationally know they could have come up with it independently - there is such a strong desire for acknowledgement, if nothing else. Add on people accusing you of copying when you did it first?! I can totally understand getting frustrated. Meanwhile poor Dr. Mike is like "what is going on???" It's nice to see them work it out 🥺
I love how you guys are so respectful towards each other. I like how you guys can joke without taking it to the next level like other similar youtube channels.
The wait times in the US are not that great either. I had diagnosed CANCER, and I called to make an appointment with a surgeon, and the office said "We have appointments in 3 months." This is routine in many situations, so we really can't say that the wait times in the USA are always better than in other countries. I've also sat miserably waiting in an ER waiting room and then on a gurney in the hallway for treatment, so overcrowding is certainly an issue here, too. Some of these things may be better in the US, but we definitely can't act like these things are aren't a problem. I should also add that this is all from the perspective of someone who isn't economically disadvantaged. If you are, it's all soooo much much worse. Plus, state-run health care quality varies WILDLY from state to state, so if you're poor and in the wrong state, you might be completely out of luck.
It does depend on your specific diagnosis too. My sister just got diagnosed with a very aggressive lymphoma. She initially went into hospital with pain in one leg and a rash. They then discovered she was very anaemic. She then got a blood transfusion, steroids, organ function tests and an MRI. She got diagnosed and her first course of chemotherapy within 1 month of admission, then she was sent home within a week of starting chemo. Some cancers spread really rapidly and need treatment immediately. They essentially started prepping her for chemo before they confirmed it was actually cancer. This treatment was completely free on the NHS. She'll get all prescription medications free. The NHS targets for cancer is to have an appointment with a specialist within 2 weeks and begin treatment within the following month. So that's 6 weeks from seeing a GP to beginning treatment. They don't always achieve it but they're hitting that target for something like 92% of patients.
UK A&E nurse, and he is so spot on. I have to look at the floor when I walk in. It’s scary to raise your eyes and see just how full the waiting room and corridors are. Not to speak of whoever is already in a bay. I’d walk straight out if I looked. I never get home on time. Cannot recall the last time I left on time. He’s also talking about the OTL patients (off the legs) and it does take so so long to arrange care packages. It’s really bad at Christmas, honestly, people bring their elderly relatives into A&E purely because they don’t want to look after these elderly family members over Xmas. I swear we see this every year. It’s disgusting.
Absolutely loved this! I am an American (former ED) nurse from your NJ area ( a million years ago), who has lived and worked in the UK for 20 years. I’m currently an NP in EED (emergency ophth) and also work in Neuro Ophth, but redeployed to ED during the pandemic. Both of you explained the pros and cons of each system so accurately. One thing- they start med school here at 18 and it’s 5 years, but have longer junior training, where some will do 4 yrs of undergrad then 3/4 years med school, but then less junior training in the US. I sometimes question if 18 is quite young to really grasp some of the medical education at times, but then if it were me, I’d want my education to be as focused as possible. My daughters med student (now doctors) friends were completely dedicated and focused. I’d love to see more collaboration from you guys.
I love our NHS. I was a drug addict for over 20 years. The NHS stopped me spiralling to rock bottom and I was able to function as an addict. Now im drug free, my Dr has been even more amazing and so supportive. It's such a shame that it's being run to the ground by inept politicians. Im not sure the NHS will be around in 30 years.
It’s nice to see that even big medical UA-camrs and doctors are still human at the end of the day. Just makes watching these videos so much more relatable imo! 🎉
I wish more doctors were like Dr. Mike. Listening to the effort you make to assist your patients in affording their healthcare is amazing and should be the norm.
The same happens here in the US. A couple months ago my med surg floor became a long term care floor. Out of 22 beds, 11 of those patients had been waiting on a bed at either SAR, LTC, psych etc. 7 of those 11 patients were with us for 10+ months! It’s insane
I had debilitating pain from fibromyalgia. I waited over a year on the NHS to see the pain clinic. They decided to refer me to the pain physio and pain mental health teams. After two more years i hadnt heard from either and had given up on them. Luckily for me my fibro finally settled into a pattern where i have flare ups instead of life being one excruciating, exhausted existence on an almost daily basis. Basically, when i really needed the help, it wasnt there. When it comes to aquiring medication and it being affordable, the NHS is great, but not what it used to be. Its harder to see a GP than ever
That's because of deliberate under-funding by the Tories because they want an American style private healthcare system that will make them and their cronies money
Mikes patients are REALLY lucky with that scheduling. Trying to get a specialist appointment in the northeast US, in a major health network, it can take months. Up to six months. Need to see a primary care for a small but immediate problem? Hope they can see you next week. Things like cardiology, dermatology, gyn, all can be months. Genetics is the longest. Waited 15 months.
I recently had surgery on my neck. Took me 2 years to get authorization. I'd be so happy if the US had a NHS style system here, even with the "weeks" I would have to wait.
This is awesome. I have watched Doctor Hope for years. I didn't know about Doctor Mike until the comments he left on the Doctor Hopes video were just vicious. Then it all got removed and life moved on. I have grown to like Doctor Mike's videos along with Doctor Hope's. We all change over the years they have handled this beautifully. Hugs to them both.
Man I am so happy to see both of them just talking together. Two amazing people, who also get emotionally affected by stress, because they are just human beings like the rest of us.
Thanks to Dr Hope and Doctor Mike for such a terrific, thoughtful and civilized conversation between you two -- and it was really enjoyable to see the mutual respect and care.
Under the NHS, it took 3 years for me to be diagnosed with epilepsy but I'm also glad I didn't have to pay for medicines, the MRI scans, the trips to A+E etc because I wouldn't have been able to
One of the pills I’m taking had to be approved by the medical insurance. It doesn’t come in generic form yet. I had to get preauthorisation before I could get more. It took ages and lots of communication back and forth between the doctor’s office and the insurance company. It was about 2 1/2 weeks in total. The insurance company just didn’t want to do it because of the price.
I’m in a major metropolitan area in the Northeast US and specialist appointments take months. Getting in within days would literally be a miracle. I just called to make an appointment with my neurologist and the soonest I could get in was 3 months. Dermatologist is 4 months. GI is 3-4 months. A friend was just diagnosed with breast cancer and the soonest she can get into an oncologist is 6 weeks. Even my PCP takes a month. My GYN books well woman visits 14 months out. And people talk about the wait times with national health. We have them too plus medical bankruptcies.
I needed a podiatrist for the 1st time and I called 1 and it was a 3 month wait for new patients. I called another one and they fit me in within a week. It depends where you go, and that depends on your insurance. And the one I got an appointment for in 20 miles away while the other one is 1 mile, but I'd rather drive than wait 3 months.
@@harveythepooka Yeah, its annoying, but thankfully you can "shop" around and usually find way shorter wait times. With NHS, the only way around a 6 month wait is paying a private practice, which defeats the purpose of publicly funded. Pros and cons to both.
My dad, a cancer patient, was referred by his oncologist to a GI doctor for side effects from his immunotherapy. He was scheduled for several months out. He ended up almost dead in the ER. In the southwest, 1-3 month wait times are pretty normal. I would love to only wait two weeks! Plus I am not sure that it is a fair comparison between a GP here and an ER doctor in UK. Uninsured folks can't even get through the front door to see a GP here, and they are the ones who suffer most from our system. Just an observation - nothing against Dr Mike ❤
My primary can do same day appointments pretty much whenever I need, same with my daughters' pediatrician. I worked for a diabetes doctor, and yeah, we scheduled 4 months out, but once you were established, it was same week, and if it was necessary as a new patient, your doctor called our doctor and we got you in, even if it was 7am appointments.
I started watching Dr. Hope about the same time that I started watching Dr. Mike, and I just love both of you. I must have missed the drama, or just ignored it. But you guys both Rock! Thank you for everything you do.
I'm really surprised people didn't know about Dr. Mike because I have been watching him religiously for at least a year and a half. Also I know this is kind of a late comment but watching one of those react videos helped me pass a huge exam in one of my classes. So thank you Dr. Mike!
Loving Dr hope being real about the NHS ❤ I had an injury during the Bank holiday. Wasn't bad enough for A&E but wasn't sure if I could wait for the GP. I called 111, they told me to go to an urgent care centre.....urgent care was completely full and sent me home and said it would be faster for me to see the GP. In pain from my injury of course during all this as well....next day, try to see a GP and get blocked by the receptionist who tells me the doctor won't see me and I need to go to A&E 🤦♀️ (minor injuries)......go to minor injuries and they questioned why I was there without seeing a GP first!........I swear I was losing my mind! I saw the minor injuries doctor and he said the GP should've seen me, but he was on my side luckily and he was such a lovely doctor who sorted everything out for me and referred to the next department......seriously the whole system is broken!
much appreciated but please also remember all the other professionals (nurses, HCA/ support workers, cleaners and porters) that keep our hospitals running! ❤
Its poorly run by the trusts and massively top heavy. Way to many middle managers and useless jobs like diversity and inclusion managers. The nhs is actually very well funded but the money is poorly spent and this is to say nothing about the millions of pounds a year it looses to foreign nationals using it and disappearing without ever paying for any and all treatment recieved.
I remember roughly last year when the NHS was on strike and my grandad had a heart attack and needed an ambulance, but the wait for the ambulance was 4 AND A HALF HOURS. He sadly died waiting for the ambulance because I couldn’t do CPR on him for literally almost 5 hours as a 14 year old learning how to do the famous Dr Mike’s chest compressions
some people might still think that this is staged but look at the mirroring in posture for both of them....I love these guys...This is maturity at its peak... Well done guys
US Physical therapist assistant here who has traveled to other countries and received medical care. Our system is so broken I could and probably will write a novel on it. What makes me so sad is how apathetic we are as a society to it. We really need to advocate for a comprehensive public system that does away with employer based. We could go with a bunch of different options but probably the simplest would be to begin lowering the medicare age over time until everyone is covered. It would safe money, make us healthier for many reasons including preventative care and addressing things before they become worse and allowing people access to treatment so they can live more productive lives.
My mother is actually in a medical teaching book. It doesn't show her face, but it was a rare surgery, and he didn't really know what he was going to do until he opened her up. Her symptoms and determination to help others made her consent to the surgery. Now, the surgery is well known and has helped many. Between my mother and I, we have a crazy health journey.😂
Me too - my consultant didn’t have any pictures of some one being marked up for surgery and as photos hadn’t been taken already she asked if I minded - again it was just my torso. I was supposed to get a set, but they never arrived.
In Canada our wait list is unreal. Some wait over a year for surgeries!! A lot of people I know have went to other countries to get medical procedures done. The medical system in Canada has been broken for decades and needs a huge overhaul!! We have people in the halls waiting for days for a bed. we don’t have enough doctors. And we do pay very high taxes- our government doesn’t run anything efficiently!!
genuinely so happy to see you two come together. i’ve long loved watching both channels and it just brought a horrible taste to my mouth knowing there was beef! there’s more than enough space for both of you and everyone else on this platform, and the positivity and joy from collaboration and mutual respect is so much better than any internet drama that pushes people to choose sides. love you both!
I feel the wait time thing from the NHS, and I live in the states. My wife has been having excruciating back and hip pain with leg numbness... for coming up on 2 years! 1-2 months to get MRI/Xrays, 3-6 months to get in to see a Neurologist, 6 months to see a neurosurgeon. All just to be told, there's nothing there. Yet daily pain, flare ups that cause her not to be able to walk or move. Has to walk with a cane, but it's progressing and getting harder every day. No one seems to want to rush any visits and constantly being told the earliest she can be seen is 3 months out, if we're lucky. Our personal experience in the States matches up more with the NHS version heard here.
Pain is not necessarily a sign of injury. It is a mechanism for protecting your body. A very complicated system which sometimes leads to chronic pain in many individuals. Many factors influence the pain we feel. A pain specialist who uses education and active strategies for coping in your own in your everyday life might be able to help
If it's lower back pain it might be sciatica. Definitely look it up but also keep pushing with the doctors. Sciatica is essentially a trapped nerve so it's kind of the better end of the possible diagnoses. Sometimes the trapped nerve can be caused by benign or malignant tumours so best to rule them out. Physiotherapy might help if you can't get a referral to a specialist.
My NHS experience this month: GP arranged a specialist nurse to assess two lesions which were non-urgent but worth checking. Attended that non-urgent appointment a week later and she said 'probably ok but let's biopsy them to be sure'. A week later, a Harley Street plastic surgeon does the biopsy in an NHS clinic (held weekly at a little local health centre for facial detmatology procedures): they use a highclass surgeon because the biopsies affect the face. All free from fees, of course. Meanwhile, I spilled hot tea on my arm at 6am on Sunday morning so i rang the NHS-helpline whilst holding my arm under running water. They gave advice whilst booking me immediately into A&E walk-in clinic to get assessed and dressed by specialist emergency nurse, and they then arranged more dressings to be done for me at three day intervals. Just half hour waits in waiting room each time.. all free and all expert. And all cheerful and wanting to help and wanting to prevent me worrying because mental harms need prevention too. Previous week i had to take a student to a country hospital after she sprained anklenon field course: that A and E was jammed with late night elderly people who had had falls and people in serious pain.. so we were seen last but the staff stayed calm and cheering even at 2am and gave my student training on how to use the crutches and said 'return them when you can...' even though we were going back to London (ie they gifted us the crutches).
A and E has been particularly busy this last few weeks because of the unusually warm weather that badly effects the elderly and people with underlying conditions. There are also strikes.
I’ve followed both of your channels for years and remember this beef like it was yesterday 😂😂😂 I’m glad y’all handled it this way; talking and hugging 🙌🥰
15:46 hits home with me. I'm was a pharmacy tech for 4 years and I can't tell you how many times we had to deal with the issue of the insurance not paying for something and having to contact the doctor to get another version of the medication. Insurance companies were always looking for loopholes. The capsule vs. tablet issue is very real and I will NEVER understand why insurance companies are so hung up on it.
Loved this episode! As a Brit I've been watching Ed for as long as Mike and had no idea there was "beef"! Great to hear you both speak so candidly on each system. Keep up the good work and good luck on the new nation :)
NHS waiting times have been horrific for me. 8 weeks to 6 months at a time just to have a face to face with a specialist. Took me over 10 years to get a diagnosis and it's still not 100%. Private is the way to go if you can do it.
Watching this video, I found it extremely interesting the difference between each Dr and how they work. Has a paramedic I see how hard our Dr's work 🇬🇧 💞. The pressure on them is difficult, and no fault of there's due to queuing our ambulances are waiting outside. This is not just the aftermath of Covid. Thank you Dr hope and Dr Mike, God bless you both ❤
I would absolutely love to hear more and more detailed conversations about the weaknesses in our systems, even in other people's systems. I feel like just discussing each problem in detail brings a calirty to my mind about it all that makes solutions easier to think of and also makes it easier to be patient with the system as a whole
I’m older (retired), and always went to a GP. He delivered all my babies - even the C-sections - and took care of my whole family. I see a lot of changes now. The younger docs do not deliver babies, they do not see their patients in the hospital, and they push a lot of their patients to their APRNs, especially if they are Medicare or Medicaid. And when I started at the clinic in 1979, an office visit was $8. Now, I never have a bill less that $200.
I live in UK and just did the blood test before my endocrinology appointment. I was called by the doctor and asked to go to A&E asap as they expected thyroid storm. I had all the tests done, got the hospital bed for one night of observation, had a team of endocrinologists coming to my bed for consultation and left hospital with big bag of free medication. I love NHS and A&E, they never failed me.
As someone from the UK, it was really interesting to hear that both countries have serious problems but that they are very different problems. It also fascinated me hearing how quickly you can get treatment in the US. I didn’t know that. The NHS has always been a stretched and you’ve always had to wait a long time for treatment but it’s gotten much worse since the Pandemic and the following recession 😞 We need to pay politicians less and pay doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers and teachers more.
You DO see the doctor more quickly, if you can afford to see one. The side doctor Mike is not telling you is that nearly half of us (43% working adults) are inadequately insured and can't afford that level of speedy service (or in my case, any kind of service) anyway.
Yeah, I had possible cancer (I’m fine - no issues) and I waited a month for test results. He’s definitely not telling every person’s experience- I’m currently waiting a month and a half to see a GP and paying out of pocket for several issues. The wait times he was giving are unheard of for me (I’m in the US)
It's a shame that viewers sent you both so low by comparing you both, but you both are incredibly compasionate, and I am incredibly happy it worked out between you two! Cause I actually started out watching Dr. Hope's reaction videos, and that's what lead me to Dr. Mikes videos, and both of your content was so unique and enjoyable. 💕Mike always breaks down the exact sience behind the medical practices and medical faulicies in the show, while Ed always emotes so passionately to the media content of whatever he's watching. You both are incredibly entertaining, mature, and caring humans and I hope you both get to become friends, and do collabs in the future! 💖
I actually got introduced to the medical side of yt from Dr. Hope! then i started watching Dr mike. Both of them have really helped in developing this side of youtube.
I loved this video, how you guys were discussing the differences in the healthcare systems between the US and UK... It would actually be really cool to see more of these conversations, with for example doctors from other nationalities or like different fields in different countries, or with doctors from one nationality moving to completely system... It would be really cool to see more stuff like that... Also thank you for the video guys.. Hope you do more collabs in the future...
I followed both of them, when they both reacted to a show I like, for example The good doctor or Cell at work, I watched the reaction videos from both of them. Each give a different aspect in the movie which I never think of or know about, each have their own fun and their own sense of humour, I see no one is stealing from who and just enjoying their contents and videos. Just like a food recipes, once you share it online and it’s good, then everyone will follow and try to recreate or improve the recipes even more. For me that’s the beauty of it, I love both of them. And beside, what’s the harm of watching both of them? They are very handsome so it’s a treat! 😆
I was like waiting for a new video from Dr Mike and then I came across a new doc...it's really nice to see how respectful you both are for each other..
I'm alive because of the NHS. I was in A&E at my local hospital with my son on Friday. And it was packed to the rafters. But this is a very recent development. And coincides with the closure of smaller local clinics due to budget problems. It genuinely made me cry because the it is clear managed decline by the government, as they have continuously underfunded the NHS for the past 13 years or so. And the true cost of this is human suffering. reform aftercare, reform mental health and pump the system full of money for staff and facilities, to major hospitals and smaller local clinics. Stand by your NHS workers, they are all diamonds and deserve respect. DOWN WITH THE TORIES.
There's room on youtube for both of you guys! I've been following both channels for many years. You're representing entirely different healthcare systems, so even when you cover the same topics, it's so interesting and valuable to have both.
I find so cute that Dr Mike is horrified of a two weeks wait period when I live in a country that´s literally "an appointment? what´s today, may? Well call again in November and we´ll see if there doctor has five minutes free between appointments for you" XP Best ending to this "superheroes fight over a misunderstanding but later they team up", you both rock so really cool to see this.
well, Two grown, mature adults sorting out their differences in a calm, civil and productive manner? that is definitely a first on YT in a good minute. well done for not devolving to a screaming match of who's better.
I live in the UK and while some parts of the NHS have been good such as my gallbladder removal I have been systematically failed by it in many other areas. I have had severe mental health issues (manic depression, borderline personality disorder and social anxiety) for 20 years and I have yet to have any form of effective treatment. Its so utterly crippling at times that I have lost 3 jobs because of it and im sure you can imagine the rest. And 5 years ago I twisted my ankle very badly and in hospital they said it was just sprained. Fast-forward to a few months ago I am still in agony with it and have finally been referred for an MRI for which I am still yet to have an appointment for even though I can barely walk at times. The NHS staff are underpaid and underappreciated because they are doing the best they can with what they have but its so flawed that its costing people their lives.
I think the best solution is a hybrid between UK & US healthcare system. This hybrid works in many European countries, like France, Germany or Czech republic where I come from. Insurance is mandatory, it is in a form of tax, if you cannot pay (e.g. you loose job, you are child), the state pays for you, so everyone is covered. Providers of healthcare are a mix of state, charity and private providers. All of them get majority of funds from the state, but all of them can also accept private additional payments from patients for above standard care (e.g. charge for private room in hospital, better prosthetic etc.)
Can I just say, finally? When the whole thing happened I was a fan of both, and I always thought this was silly and going to get settled sooner or later. I could never even feel bad about such a small misundertanding. It was a bad move by Dr. Hope, but an understandable mistake in the wake of negative comments. It's good to see you kids finally play together :D
So glad we didn't settle this in the boxing ring.
I’m literally having tears watching this!! And I love the hug so much!! It’s been years!! Finally the mystery solved, and this is what a healthy civil communication looks like and should be!! Thank you both Dr Mike and Dr Hope💗💗👍👍🫶🫶I honestly thought we never gonna find out what actually happened back then, wow!!🥺🥹thank you😇
Thanks for a super day hanging out; and to Sam & Dan too (& of course Bear!) for making me feel so welcome. Look forward to more stuff in the future!
I'd watch that too
You could make everyone happy by having a civil chat, but in a boxing ring.
😂
As a Canadian who watches both UK and US content, it was hilarious to see you both struggle with each other's humour styles 😂
Omg I know!!!!! Ahahaha
Was a kid with allergic reaction to blackflies. Living in Quebec. No way to know why I was doing so poorly. I had to go to emergency room. Several hours wait, but luckily in a safer space in case something went wrong.
Lol, yes!
As an Australian, I felt exactly the same 😂😂
@@bethiciaprasek9415my mum was allergic to black fly bites too. Her eyes swelled up. Me, I was allergic to mosquito bites and the bites would swell up like crazy, I’m not so bad now.
As an American, I gotta say I would absolutely 100% let a medical procedure on me be livestreamed if it meant getting it for free from a qualified doctor. No hesitation.
Agreed!!
SAME! I'm IN.
well that would be even better. You know they don't want to Eff up live! safer!
100000% especially if it’s something like a surgery or procedure that is hard to get approved by insurance but your doctor sees as necessary. I went through 4 ACL “repairs” that my surgeon kept telling the insurance that repairing the ACL was not a good idea and we needed to replace it. They kept refusing. From 2016-2020 I wore a full stabilization brace every single day. It went from mid thy to mid calf. I had my knee drained then filled with cortisol every 3-4 months and they still refused to let him replace it. In December 2019 I blew the ACL beyond repair and he FINALLY convinced them it was beyond repair. Had he been able to just replace it the first time then it would have saved me so much pain and discomfort. And they would have spent less money on all the doc appointments, custom fit braces, knee drainages, etc. I absolutely hate that insurance nickels and dimes our doctors and basically they have to fight with insurance for every little thing.
As long as my name or face wasn’t shown on stream definitely same
You definitely gotta respect Dr.Hope for keeping it raw and 100% about his feelings and emotions with everything in the beginning and still being able to communicate it all SOOO well.
You definitely gotta respect Dr.Hope for keeping it raw and 100% about his feelings and emotions with everything in the beginning and still being able to communicate it all SOOO well.
I wish dr Mike was my doctor--I think he might actually listen to me. I have an issue I’ve tried many times to get handled. At this rate I think it’ll kill me.
@@WonderLady I was thinking about this when they were talking about how society has changed and people just want to call up and get a prescription instead of getting the attention they need. I think most people would prefer the attention but they are so used to talking to Doctors that can't or won't give it to them that they'd just rather get the minimal treatment they can get over with.
As someone who is extremely grateful for the NHS, I would stop paying the paper pushing bureaucrats extraordinary high wages and pay our doctors and nurses properly
And hire enough so they can have adequate time off
This is how it works in china, but… bribes.
Tbh I think the NHS needs more of everything - including people doing the paperwork, admin, co-ordination, etc. There's so much room for better organisation and co-ordination, not just treatment.
you'd be lucky if they even lifted a finger to push paper 🤣 they sit around, take a couple of calls (destroying lives while doing so) and then enjoy their insane paycheques!
All your complaints aside, it still beats the American system.
I've been waiting years for this rumble ... to be resolved in a reasoned and sensible manner by two mature professionals.
They resolved beef on the internet in a polite and understandable way. Each gave both their perspectives and both understood each other with no hate. Maybe there is hope yet for this world....
I've been waiting years for this rumble … to be resolved in a reasoned and sensible manner by two mature professionals.
As an American living in the UK, it’s fascinating to hear them discussing the differences in our healthcare. The NHS has been incredible for me, even if I have waited a bit at times.
Imagine not paying $1000 for an ambulance
@@Atomsk0192 I can 😂 one was called for me back in the states when I thought I was having an allergic reaction. I didn’t even ride in the ambulance and I got a bill for $2000 after, lol. Over here in the UK, I’ve never had to think twice about calling an ambulance for myself or others in a time of need!
@@jamiestryker5898 And that's why many of us want something like the NHS. Most of us have to wait months to get a doctors appointment anyway, and we won't have to worry about going bankrupt during what might be the worst moment of our lives.
The US is amazing in a lot of ways, their Healthcare system isn't one of them.
@@avro-day The quality of much of the care is unmatched in my opinion, but the cost and structure of it all is so, so flawed.
As a Brit in the US, I am familiar with the pro’s and con’s of both countries healthcare systems and it was so interesting to hear this discussed from a practitioner’s point of view. As a human being, how reassuring to see two individuals own their actions and resolve mis-communications with grace, empathy and humour, face to face. Loved it, good job guys.
Agreed! It's really interesting hearing both systems discussed. I think it really highlights that there isn't a model that works in an ideal way, but opportunities to find ways to improve on what each of our countries are using.
However, you are not familiar with plurals I see.
I gotta ask and I have no idea if you’ll see this or not. But have you had any interaction with the healthcare here in the US and what’s your thoughts on it? I just know living here there’s a big push for public healthcare with the main argument being “anti socialist” with most people not really knowing what that means
@@Kiefer0612 I hope you don't mind my speaking up, but I'm an American who lived in England for a little over a year, and have had experience with both. I moved to the UK long before Obamacare was put in place, and was given access to the public healthcare system in England. And, I have to say, it was nothing short of a dream! I went from being uninsured and able to afford literally nothing by way of healthcare, to being able to walk into a hospital just about anywhere, and have whatever ailment I needed help with taken care of, free of charge! Even medication costs were slashed down to affordable costs! There were longer wait times to see a doctor since most people just walked in rather than made an appointment, and because so many people were utilizing the system, and that did lead to stressors for the doctors that weighed a bit on the medical care received, in that the doctors seemed a bit more tired and overworked in my experience, but that by no means translated out to my care being subpar to what I've received in the US. All in all, I was overjoyed with the health care I received there, and was so happy as a result when Obamacare finally kicked in here in the States!
Anyway, I hope that helps! If you have any questions, feel free to ask! UA-cam is terrible at alerting me to when people are talking to me directly, but if I see your response, I will answer!
@@crow_feather you’re good man, that’s super interesting. Like I know it comes out of taxes and puts more burden on the doctors but it just sounds like a better system as a whole and I wish Americans (specifically 50 and older) would wise up to it and stop being so pig headed about new ideas. it sounds like you can even get private insurance if you REALLY want it. Obviously I have no idea how much it is over there though.
As a vet, it would be so interesting to see you sit down and have a conversation like this with a vet to compare your fields and studying!
I wanna see this
I don't really see the overlap between having served in the military and being a doctor.
@@okaydetar821 😂 a veterinarian ..
@Okay DETar bro tell me you're joking hahaha
Yes!!!
Two genuinely sweet, respectable doctors/people who are drama free. They both have a passion for their jobs, their fans, their communities and their artistry ( UA-cam work). Much respect to you both!
This is why I respect both of these men. They are a perfect example of how an open dialogue between two people can not only serve as a method to address an existing conflict but also open the door to understanding and common ground shared by those who have dedicated large aspects of their lives to helping their fellow man. Good on ya Docs!
That hug from Ed felt so real man. Best way to settle a beef. Talking
Recently here in Turkiye, I had consultations with 2 different doctors; upon hearing I give English lessons, they immediately started talking in English saying they are about to move to the UK and work within the NHS. When I asked them whether they were worried about the current NHS crisis, they both went ‘We are used to stress, hard work, being underpaid, but we desperately need peace (=‘huzur’) in our lives’. It’s sad for Turkiye, but great for the NHS I suppose.
I think the term for that is a ‘brain drain’ when a country/company cannot provide its talent what they need, they go elsewhere
Edit: the proper term is human capital flight
They should go to America instead
Work half as much, make triple of UK doctors.
@@User12345fan But be some of the biggest scum, or at least a member of it? Nah
@@pasta-and-heroin❤
@FreePigeon absolutely true. My sister, consultant paediatrician, has been so badly treated by the NHS that she's looking into moving to NZ or Australia. Never the US, because she believes in healthcare that is free at the point of need.
I’m currently waiting for a neurologist appointment on the NHS for chronic migraines that cause me constant pain. The waiting period is 36 weeks- I was referred in November and won’t be seen until August. It’s frustrating and disappointing but not really surprising. The truth is that the NHS has been chronically underfunded, as has the social care system. You mentioned community mental health- my partner’s mum is a community mental health nurse and during the pandemic the number of nurses on her team dropped from 12 to 9 with burnout and long covid. The trust decided that, because the other 9 nurses worked their arses off to cope with the extra workload and just about managed, they weren’t going to fill the vacancies to save money. Now there are only 7 nurses to cover the same area which 3 years ago had 12. It’s just not possible to provide the same level of care without the appropriate resources
Yeah it doesn’t help that the mental health system in the UK was broken way before the pandemic, maybe if it had been properly funded pre pandemic it may have coped with the pandemic but it wasn’t and the pandemic has just destroyed it
@Samir Dončić it depends where you live, even though I live in the largest town in the uk the nhs has been relatively quick with me😅
The same is happening in Ontario Canada. I have to wait 3 months for an MRI to check on an injury I got from being hit by a car 7 years ago that wasn’t treated properly at the time of my accident. To be honest the care I got in the emergency room in 2016 was worse than the care my father got after a car accident in 1987
The thing is, there are waiting lists just like this in the US, too. It depends where you live, same as here in the uk. It also depends on who your insurance is through and what Dr is on their plan and in your area. If they only have one or two specialists they'll cover, you'll be left waiting just as long, if not longer. Wait times of several months is not unusual in the US. It's also not unusual to be referred to another Dr or even be given a prescription and then your insurance denies coverage because they don't think that's necessary!
I've lived in the U.K. for 19 years and have given birth, had lifesaving surgery aftercare ectopic rupture, and had surgery and received a cochlear hearing device after a decade of eat infections,which didn't respond well to treatments, caused hearing loss. No bills, no copay, and the cost of contributions to the nhs is less than one month of US health insurance. I've seen the nhs suffer over the last decade of so under conservative leadership basically stealing funds in a step towards forcing American style insurance here, and I'm telling you, you won't want that! It won't make times to down and quality of care to up.
In our state we have rural hospitals but waiting periods for specialist about 3-4 hour drives takes months or years. Even for children. My mom's took 2 years.
It's nice to see Ed Hope here. He's the first doc youtuber I followed after doc mike. Still a fan to this day and still rewatch his reactions to Cells at Work as it helped me pass my biology class.
I keep watching that series for his drawing skills. Seriously helped make things make sense.
I have to take biology in the fall and I will be rewatching all of the cells at work videos. 😅
@@AttackRunRepeat Good luck, brother!
@@Maninawig Exactly. Easier to understand.
Dr. Hope's Cells at Work reactions are incredible, I re-watch them too
Imagine if you were put in a room with everyone you’ve ever beefed on the internet, and had to fight them.
I’d win
And had to fight their online profile pictures*
Most of mine are Nazis who spend all day on the computer so yes please.
The FB
Creator Clash: Battle Royale
Doctor Hope is amazing, really. I am glad this was resolved. Nobody deserved any hate
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As someone who is disabled with many many health problems i am so grateful for our NHS and the hard working people in the NHS. Emergency as in deadly our hospitals are amazing. Saved my life 3 times. So thank you to anyone working in the NHS ❤
& the taxpayers funding it ;)
@@toneloc-cz2xi And? We pay a small amount towards it. I don’t even notice it.
@@FallenAngel9979 facts id happily pay slightly higher tax if it meant higher funding for the nhs, although sadly with the conservatives in power it’s not necessarily gonna go to where it’s needed
@@FallenAngel9979 15% of yr earnings via National Insurance: poor value for the non obese / non hypochodriacs who have to subsidise fat degenerates
I’m in Canada and disabled from being hit by a car and I have never experienced such medical neglect in my life. I point out a problem that I have as a result of being hit and it doesn’t get dealt with unless I yell.
There's something so comfy and snug about that dark blue podcast room, two leather chairs, and calm conversation. A snug little hideaway in a harsh and crazy world. Thank you gentlemen for being the consummate professionals you are.
I think this shows just how respectful and kind you both are, as you've actually both been really good to one another and its nice to see
What baffles me as an ER doctor and Neurologist is how in my country(Bulgaria) healthcare is literally in the palm of your hands. Example - you go to the ER for whatever reason at whatever time of the day/night , a doctor(many times a specialist) examines you for free , free blood work , scans etc in the same day. And people are not only unsatisfied they give examples how our system is trash :D
huh I wasn't sure if "literally in the palm of your hands" meant a good or bad thing... I initially interpreted it as "you gotta fight for yourself. You have to push to get things done", but I guess you actually meant "easily accessible". Great!
As a community mental health worker, I must say thank you Dr. Hope for discussing the strain we're all under!
The fact that one of my doctors has to write "tumor" even though it is a "mass" so that my health insurance can cover the MRI is absolutely ridiculous. Also, no one ever told me that the labs also need their own copay! When the doctor sends my blood sample to a lab not covered by my health insurance, suddenly I have to pick up the bill!
This is why I cannot suggest enough calling your insurance _before_ a service. They can actually tell you what to expect. Every visit is a pie and every provider gets their slice. Most patients have their lab work go to deductible, where they pay 100% of the allowed amount until that is satisfied. Once the ded is satisfied, they pay a percentage of the allowed (20% for example) until they meet their out of pocket maximum, at which point, they have 0% coinsurance. NO ONE knows this unless it's explained to them. The education on how insurance works for healthcare just isn't a thing in the US and it's heartbreaking when people get caught off guard or just don't know!
Actually, you have a fighting chance to have the insurance pay for those labs, because it was your doctor who referred you/sent your samples. You can call them as ask for an appeal/review because this is plan directed care (it’s a Medicare term). And yes, if you’re in the US and have insurance (not including Medicaid or CHP type plans), you might end up having a cost share for every little thing you get done - you see a doctor, they do a test at the office, the office is at an outpatient facility, they collect samples that are sent to a lab, the lab tests them, the testing done in office is sent to a specialist for a review, you get a procedure done at an ambulatory surgical center, where you get anesthesia, plus the surgeon etc etc - every little piece of this sentence might end up being a separate charge 😅 Gotta love the American health system.
@@Carola16 you do, tho that chance does decrease if you have a PPO. Still totally worth the attempt to
Having a PPO might mean they would pay anyway, just at the out of network rate. But, if a contracted physician requested the test, the PPO would usually pay the contracted rate too (I have a PPO, I paid rbe out of network rate only a couple of times in 10 years).
@@Carola16 Yes, tho for lab is likely OON ded before OON coins and most people never meet THEIR OON ded. Since the provider isn't contracted, they could balance bill as well. SOME PPO plans will adjust ONN to INN at the patients request tho if the requesting Phys is INN but it's no guarantee since more often, it'd be the scenario you're describing.
I believe all the stories I heard about the desperate situation of the NHS. However, as a British woman, I have not been personally affected by this. From my perspective, the NHS has been absolutely astounding, from comunity midwifery /home birth care, whenever my daughter has been ill, everytime I've needed GP support, the input for my elderly mum & dad's geriatric care, and so on and so forth. I appreciate that the NHS doesn’t have fancy facilities, the possible mismanagement of funds & too many middle managers, plus of course having longer waiting times. But my God, overall, it is the remaining gem in Btitain. We pay for the service through our taxes and we should fight to death to keep it in place, (rather than go down the greedy, capitalistic American insurance/pharma route). My understanding is the number 1 reason for bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. Completely sickening. For me, it is the NHS all day long!
Absolutely Preach!!! i am 27 and have spent my whole life in and out of hospital because of how crazy and rare my condition is. But the truth is without the NHS I would have died long ago. The system itself isn't the problem, its the chronic underdevelopment and underfunding from our government which seeks to burn the NHS to the ground in order to give a justification for privatisation.
this! without the NHS, i wouldn’t have my meds, which keep me alive. yes, there are loads of problems with it, but i can’t explain how grateful i am for it
Unfortunately unless something radical happens, it's a sinking ship.
My mother has worked as a nurse in the NHS for over 30yrs and it's been on a steady decline since she can remember. And the working conditions were dreadful by the time she got to the end of her NHS career. It's no wonder nurses and doctors are leaving in droves. She left after the pandemic to work as a remote healthcare assessor for a private company and never looked back.
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Contrast that to my experience as a US citizen who makes "above poverty thresholds": I have $200 in savings this month and if I so much as have a mild cough I'd probably start considering living in my car and showering in the gym.
It's like a breath of fresh air when influencers confront each other in front of their fans and viewers to clear up any "beef". Honestly it creates a a very positive impact on the online community!
Kudos to Dr. Mike and Dr.Ed.
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The thing Mike said about how younger people treat going to the doctor is very true. I basically never have a reason to go so I don't have a primary care doctor. If anything bad came up I would just go to urgent care.
However, recently I have been having some weird stomach pain so I finally went and found a family medicine doctor near me and made an appointment for a few weeks from now
i can relate🤚 my husband has always gotten regular checkups and gotten free medical because of work but i got a stomach pain and we headed to the er because, like you said, i dont have a doctor either. in the end i chickened out and left 🤷♀️
You don't even have to be young for having no primary. Where I am, unless you're really super lucky, on Medicare you end up at this one location (1* on the BBB ratings) that's about the equivalent of a butcher shop where you get charged for things you shouldn't, given drugs you shouldn't be taking, accused of being a dug addict when you aren't, you're prevented from seeing specialists even when it's needed, and they use the same gloves on multiple patients in a row. So, the choice for me is go to a place like that where they don't care and will very likely make you far worse, or go to urgent care when something comes up and otherwise do your own research in a smart way like any doctor and treat yourself (not assuming the worst on WebMD but being smart about it and comparing and contrasting and ruling in and out, etc.). It's a terrible situation. The really super lucky ones I mentioned are the very very few on Medicare who can actually get seen by good doctors (they're only required to take in a small handful of Medicare patients, so that's all they do). Those are the really lucky people.
I subscribed to Sick Notes at the beginning of the pandemic. I was frightened, sent home to work, and isolated. His videos helped me through a really tough and scary time. Love his Lego recreations! I found Dr. Mike later- my daughter told, or forwarded me a video and I was hooked. You are both wonderful. It's interesting to see perspectives from doctors in different countries. ❤
Totally agree. Different perspectives let us gain knowledge about stuff we couldn't see otherwise. For example, when the pandemic hit, I was also sent home to work, isolated, etc., and honestly it was the best time of my life. Sure, I was a bit scared of the plague, but otherwise it was heaven. I didn't have to go anywhere, I didn't have to fight traffic to get to a place I didn't wanna be, around people I didn't wanna be, only to fight traffic back home, throngs of people in the supermarket, etc. During the lockdowns, everything was catering to people staying home, it wasn't weird to order everything home delivery, home office became normalized, the streets were empty, the noise was gone, the air was cleaner, it was incredible. I know it sounds morbid saying this about a pandemic (and obviously it's terrible so many people died), but personally I loved every minute of it. Sorry not sorry. I understand for most people it was horror being cooped up in a flat, feeling like a prisoner, not being able to go and do what you want. But for some of us, it was pretty damn awesome.
Can't not trust a guy called Dr. Hope, can you?
Wow! The collab I never saw coming! It’s so nice to hear each of you speak on your perspectives of the situation. It really goes to show that most upset comes from misunderstandings and if people just talk to each other, things can really be worked out. This was a fantastic conversation.
knew about the issues you two had over the House reactions ages ago, it's great to see you guys have a sit-down conversation clearing the air! You're both great creators, always better to work together than against each other!
i actually found dr. mike through dr. hope and now i'm a fan of both. so in a way yall's beef worked out for me lol
I didn't know there was beef between these two. Ive seen a couple of Dr. Hope's videos and while they were similar I never considered him a copy. They are both medical professionals in different medical fields and they both run their channels to educate. As such when one misses a detail the other can come in with new information or they can share different points of views they may have or even share different facts depending on their specialization and career. Everything someone does is going to derive from someone else because there is always someone before you. Its not about what you do, its about what you add and im sure Dr. Hope running his channel will add more medical information to the metaphorical pool than doctor mike alone.
I always like seeing multiple professionals react to these videos. That way, assuming they react fairly similar which they usually do, it actually extra validates their expert opinion. That way, it's not just one UA-camr doing this, it means what they're saying is probably correct.
This is why I love watching 3-4 different people reacting to something I'm interested in. They all have something different to bring to the table and even if they share the same opinion it only strengthens said opinion.
There is nothing I like more than checked beefs, and owning actions. Such a good example on how to behave properly.
This was so cool. We get to see doctors on both sides of the pond as 'real' people. Thank you BOTH for sharing so honestly. In truth, doctors, specialists, nurses, porters, you know - we can't do without any of you.
I wish you both very well and appreciate your hard work, dedication and compassion. Greetings from North Wales UK.
This was so sweet! ❤ I was entirely unaware of the beef, but I know how easy it is to get pissed off at people online and say things you wouldn't to anyone you were talking to face-to-face.
Especially as creators, when you feel like someone took an idea from you - even if you rationally know they could have come up with it independently - there is such a strong desire for acknowledgement, if nothing else. Add on people accusing you of copying when you did it first?! I can totally understand getting frustrated. Meanwhile poor Dr. Mike is like "what is going on???" It's nice to see them work it out 🥺
I love how you guys are so respectful towards each other. I like how you guys can joke without taking it to the next level like other similar youtube channels.
The wait times in the US are not that great either. I had diagnosed CANCER, and I called to make an appointment with a surgeon, and the office said "We have appointments in 3 months." This is routine in many situations, so we really can't say that the wait times in the USA are always better than in other countries. I've also sat miserably waiting in an ER waiting room and then on a gurney in the hallway for treatment, so overcrowding is certainly an issue here, too. Some of these things may be better in the US, but we definitely can't act like these things are aren't a problem. I should also add that this is all from the perspective of someone who isn't economically disadvantaged. If you are, it's all soooo much much worse. Plus, state-run health care quality varies WILDLY from state to state, so if you're poor and in the wrong state, you might be completely out of luck.
It does depend on your specific diagnosis too. My sister just got diagnosed with a very aggressive lymphoma. She initially went into hospital with pain in one leg and a rash. They then discovered she was very anaemic. She then got a blood transfusion, steroids, organ function tests and an MRI. She got diagnosed and her first course of chemotherapy within 1 month of admission, then she was sent home within a week of starting chemo. Some cancers spread really rapidly and need treatment immediately. They essentially started prepping her for chemo before they confirmed it was actually cancer. This treatment was completely free on the NHS. She'll get all prescription medications free. The NHS targets for cancer is to have an appointment with a specialist within 2 weeks and begin treatment within the following month. So that's 6 weeks from seeing a GP to beginning treatment. They don't always achieve it but they're hitting that target for something like 92% of patients.
UK A&E nurse, and he is so spot on. I have to look at the floor when I walk in. It’s scary to raise your eyes and see just how full the waiting room and corridors are. Not to speak of whoever is already in a bay. I’d walk straight out if I looked. I never get home on time. Cannot recall the last time I left on time. He’s also talking about the OTL patients (off the legs) and it does take so so long to arrange care packages. It’s really bad at Christmas, honestly, people bring their elderly relatives into A&E purely because they don’t want to look after these elderly family members over Xmas. I swear we see this every year. It’s disgusting.
Absolutely loved this! I am an American (former ED) nurse from your NJ area ( a million years ago), who has lived and worked in the UK for 20 years. I’m currently an NP in EED (emergency ophth) and also work in Neuro Ophth, but redeployed to ED during the pandemic. Both of you explained the pros and cons of each system so accurately. One thing- they start med school here at 18 and it’s 5 years, but have longer junior training, where some will do 4 yrs of undergrad then 3/4 years med school, but then less junior training in the US. I sometimes question if 18 is quite young to really grasp some of the medical education at times, but then if it were me, I’d want my education to be as focused as possible. My daughters med student (now doctors) friends were completely dedicated and focused. I’d love to see more collaboration from you guys.
I love our NHS. I was a drug addict for over 20 years. The NHS stopped me spiralling to rock bottom and I was able to function as an addict. Now im drug free, my Dr has been even more amazing and so supportive. It's such a shame that it's being run to the ground by inept politicians. Im not sure the NHS will be around in 30 years.
It’s nice to see that even big medical UA-camrs and doctors are still human at the end of the day. Just makes watching these videos so much more relatable imo! 🎉
I wish more doctors were like Dr. Mike. Listening to the effort you make to assist your patients in affording their healthcare is amazing and should be the norm.
The same happens here in the US. A couple months ago my med surg floor became a long term care floor. Out of 22 beds, 11 of those patients had been waiting on a bed at either SAR, LTC, psych etc. 7 of those 11 patients were with us for 10+ months! It’s insane
I had debilitating pain from fibromyalgia. I waited over a year on the NHS to see the pain clinic. They decided to refer me to the pain physio and pain mental health teams. After two more years i hadnt heard from either and had given up on them. Luckily for me my fibro finally settled into a pattern where i have flare ups instead of life being one excruciating, exhausted existence on an almost daily basis. Basically, when i really needed the help, it wasnt there. When it comes to aquiring medication and it being affordable, the NHS is great, but not what it used to be. Its harder to see a GP than ever
That's because of deliberate under-funding by the Tories because they want an American style private healthcare system that will make them and their cronies money
Mikes patients are REALLY lucky with that scheduling. Trying to get a specialist appointment in the northeast US, in a major health network, it can take months. Up to six months. Need to see a primary care for a small but immediate problem? Hope they can see you next week. Things like cardiology, dermatology, gyn, all can be months. Genetics is the longest. Waited 15 months.
I recently had surgery on my neck. Took me 2 years to get authorization. I'd be so happy if the US had a NHS style system here, even with the "weeks" I would have to wait.
This is awesome. I have watched Doctor Hope for years. I didn't know about Doctor Mike until the comments he left on the Doctor Hopes video were just vicious. Then it all got removed and life moved on. I have grown to like Doctor Mike's videos along with Doctor Hope's.
We all change over the years they have handled this beautifully. Hugs to them both.
Man I am so happy to see both of them just talking together. Two amazing people, who also get emotionally affected by stress, because they are just human beings like the rest of us.
Thanks to Dr Hope and Doctor Mike for such a terrific, thoughtful and civilized conversation between you two -- and it was really enjoyable to see the mutual respect and care.
Under the NHS, it took 3 years for me to be diagnosed with epilepsy but I'm also glad I didn't have to pay for medicines, the MRI scans, the trips to A+E etc because I wouldn't have been able to
One of the pills I’m taking had to be approved by the medical insurance. It doesn’t come in generic form yet. I had to get preauthorisation before I could get more. It took ages and lots of communication back and forth between the doctor’s office and the insurance company. It was about 2 1/2 weeks in total. The insurance company just didn’t want to do it because of the price.
@@bookwoman53I spy a TARDIS! mate 🎉
I’m in a major metropolitan area in the Northeast US and specialist appointments take months. Getting in within days would literally be a miracle. I just called to make an appointment with my neurologist and the soonest I could get in was 3 months. Dermatologist is 4 months. GI is 3-4 months. A friend was just diagnosed with breast cancer and the soonest she can get into an oncologist is 6 weeks.
Even my PCP takes a month. My GYN books well woman visits 14 months out.
And people talk about the wait times with national health. We have them too plus medical bankruptcies.
I needed a podiatrist for the 1st time and I called 1 and it was a 3 month wait for new patients. I called another one and they fit me in within a week. It depends where you go, and that depends on your insurance. And the one I got an appointment for in 20 miles away while the other one is 1 mile, but I'd rather drive than wait 3 months.
I have to schedule my PCP ATLEAST 4-5 months in advance. Love her and she answers MyChart but it sucks how long one has to wait just to see their doc
@@harveythepooka Yeah, its annoying, but thankfully you can "shop" around and usually find way shorter wait times. With NHS, the only way around a 6 month wait is paying a private practice, which defeats the purpose of publicly funded. Pros and cons to both.
My dad, a cancer patient, was referred by his oncologist to a GI doctor for side effects from his immunotherapy. He was scheduled for several months out. He ended up almost dead in the ER. In the southwest, 1-3 month wait times are pretty normal. I would love to only wait two weeks! Plus I am not sure that it is a fair comparison between a GP here and an ER doctor in UK. Uninsured folks can't even get through the front door to see a GP here, and they are the ones who suffer most from our system. Just an observation - nothing against Dr Mike ❤
My primary can do same day appointments pretty much whenever I need, same with my daughters' pediatrician. I worked for a diabetes doctor, and yeah, we scheduled 4 months out, but once you were established, it was same week, and if it was necessary as a new patient, your doctor called our doctor and we got you in, even if it was 7am appointments.
I started watching Dr. Hope about the same time that I started watching Dr. Mike, and I just love both of you. I must have missed the drama, or just ignored it. But you guys both Rock! Thank you for everything you do.
I hope more people follow your guy’s lead, when it comes to internet “beef”! This was a great episode 🤍 We all need our great doctors.
I'm really surprised people didn't know about Dr. Mike because I have been watching him religiously for at least a year and a half. Also I know this is kind of a late comment but watching one of those react videos helped me pass a huge exam in one of my classes. So thank you Dr. Mike!
Thank you, Dr Mike, for explaining in better terms how the USA healthcare system works. I appreciate it.
Loving Dr hope being real about the NHS ❤ I had an injury during the Bank holiday. Wasn't bad enough for A&E but wasn't sure if I could wait for the GP. I called 111, they told me to go to an urgent care centre.....urgent care was completely full and sent me home and said it would be faster for me to see the GP. In pain from my injury of course during all this as well....next day, try to see a GP and get blocked by the receptionist who tells me the doctor won't see me and I need to go to A&E 🤦♀️ (minor injuries)......go to minor injuries and they questioned why I was there without seeing a GP first!........I swear I was losing my mind! I saw the minor injuries doctor and he said the GP should've seen me, but he was on my side luckily and he was such a lovely doctor who sorted everything out for me and referred to the next department......seriously the whole system is broken!
It's so good to see two UA-camrs having "beef" sitting down and having a friendly discussion.
My heart breaks for UK doctors and even more for the patients
much appreciated but please also remember all the other professionals (nurses, HCA/ support workers, cleaners and porters) that keep our hospitals running! ❤
Its poorly run by the trusts and massively top heavy. Way to many middle managers and useless jobs like diversity and inclusion managers. The nhs is actually very well funded but the money is poorly spent and this is to say nothing about the millions of pounds a year it looses to foreign nationals using it and disappearing without ever paying for any and all treatment recieved.
@@felixhenson9926 HCAs are the unsung heroes of the NHS. Absolutely keep the hospitals running
The biggest problem in the NHS is mental health waiting times. You have to wait sometimes two years for an appointment to be diagnosed.
I remember roughly last year when the NHS was on strike and my grandad had a heart attack and needed an ambulance, but the wait for the ambulance was 4 AND A HALF HOURS.
He sadly died waiting for the ambulance because I couldn’t do CPR on him for literally almost 5 hours as a 14 year old learning how to do the famous Dr Mike’s chest compressions
Rest in peace to your grandad
some people might still think that this is staged but look at the mirroring in posture for both of them....I love these guys...This is maturity at its peak... Well done guys
US Physical therapist assistant here who has traveled to other countries and received medical care. Our system is so broken I could and probably will write a novel on it. What makes me so sad is how apathetic we are as a society to it. We really need to advocate for a comprehensive public system that does away with employer based. We could go with a bunch of different options but probably the simplest would be to begin lowering the medicare age over time until everyone is covered. It would safe money, make us healthier for many reasons including preventative care and addressing things before they become worse and allowing people access to treatment so they can live more productive lives.
Doctor Mike seems like such a Calm, Drama-free person. He’s the last UA-camr I would imagine to have beef with someone 😭
Doctor Mike is No saint. He just as dishonest as every other doctor in the USA.
My mother is actually in a medical teaching book. It doesn't show her face, but it was a rare surgery, and he didn't really know what he was going to do until he opened her up. Her symptoms and determination to help others made her consent to the surgery. Now, the surgery is well known and has helped many. Between my mother and I, we have a crazy health journey.😂
Me too - my consultant didn’t have any pictures of some one being marked up for surgery and as photos hadn’t been taken already she asked if I minded - again it was just my torso. I was supposed to get a set, but they never arrived.
@Kathryn Abbott they covered my mom's face and didn't use her name, so nobody knew who the patient was.
In Canada our wait list is unreal. Some wait over a year for surgeries!! A lot of people I know have went to other countries to get medical procedures done. The medical system in Canada has been broken for decades and needs a huge overhaul!! We have people in the halls waiting for days for a bed. we don’t have enough doctors. And we do pay very high taxes- our government doesn’t run anything efficiently!!
You guys should have a podcast together, I really love listening to you guys learn about new things from each other about both systems
genuinely so happy to see you two come together. i’ve long loved watching both channels and it just brought a horrible taste to my mouth knowing there was beef! there’s more than enough space for both of you and everyone else on this platform, and the positivity and joy from collaboration and mutual respect is so much better than any internet drama that pushes people to choose sides. love you both!
I feel the wait time thing from the NHS, and I live in the states. My wife has been having excruciating back and hip pain with leg numbness... for coming up on 2 years! 1-2 months to get MRI/Xrays, 3-6 months to get in to see a Neurologist, 6 months to see a neurosurgeon. All just to be told, there's nothing there. Yet daily pain, flare ups that cause her not to be able to walk or move. Has to walk with a cane, but it's progressing and getting harder every day. No one seems to want to rush any visits and constantly being told the earliest she can be seen is 3 months out, if we're lucky. Our personal experience in the States matches up more with the NHS version heard here.
Pain is not necessarily a sign of injury. It is a mechanism for protecting your body. A very complicated system which sometimes leads to chronic pain in many individuals. Many factors influence the pain we feel. A pain specialist who uses education and active strategies for coping in your own in your everyday life might be able to help
If it's lower back pain it might be sciatica. Definitely look it up but also keep pushing with the doctors. Sciatica is essentially a trapped nerve so it's kind of the better end of the possible diagnoses. Sometimes the trapped nerve can be caused by benign or malignant tumours so best to rule them out. Physiotherapy might help if you can't get a referral to a specialist.
My NHS experience this month: GP arranged a specialist nurse to assess two lesions which were non-urgent but worth checking. Attended that non-urgent appointment a week later and she said 'probably ok but let's biopsy them to be sure'. A week later, a Harley Street plastic surgeon does the biopsy in an NHS clinic (held weekly at a little local health centre for facial detmatology procedures): they use a highclass surgeon because the biopsies affect the face. All free from fees, of course. Meanwhile, I spilled hot tea on my arm at 6am on Sunday morning so i rang the NHS-helpline whilst holding my arm under running water. They gave advice whilst booking me immediately into A&E walk-in clinic to get assessed and dressed by specialist emergency nurse, and they then arranged more dressings to be done for me at three day intervals. Just half hour waits in waiting room each time.. all free and all expert. And all cheerful and wanting to help and wanting to prevent me worrying because mental harms need prevention too. Previous week i had to take a student to a country hospital after she sprained anklenon field course: that A and E was jammed with late night elderly people who had had falls and people in serious pain.. so we were seen last but the staff stayed calm and cheering even at 2am and gave my student training on how to use the crutches and said 'return them when you can...' even though we were going back to London (ie they gifted us the crutches).
A and E has been particularly busy this last few weeks because of the unusually warm weather that badly effects the elderly and people with underlying conditions. There are also strikes.
I’ve followed both of your channels for years and remember this beef like it was yesterday 😂😂😂
I’m glad y’all handled it this way; talking and hugging 🙌🥰
15:46 hits home with me. I'm was a pharmacy tech for 4 years and I can't tell you how many times we had to deal with the issue of the insurance not paying for something and having to contact the doctor to get another version of the medication. Insurance companies were always looking for loopholes. The capsule vs. tablet issue is very real and I will NEVER understand why insurance companies are so hung up on it.
You're both great doctors and your ability to have a civil discussion and "smooth things over" is inspiring!
Loved this episode! As a Brit I've been watching Ed for as long as Mike and had no idea there was "beef"! Great to hear you both speak so candidly on each system. Keep up the good work and good luck on the new nation :)
NHS waiting times have been horrific for me. 8 weeks to 6 months at a time just to have a face to face with a specialist. Took me over 10 years to get a diagnosis and it's still not 100%. Private is the way to go if you can do it.
Watching this video, I found it extremely interesting the difference between each Dr and how they work. Has a paramedic I see how hard our Dr's work 🇬🇧 💞. The pressure on them is difficult, and no fault of there's due to queuing our ambulances are waiting outside. This is not just the aftermath of Covid. Thank you Dr hope and Dr Mike, God bless you both ❤
I would absolutely love to hear more and more detailed conversations about the weaknesses in our systems, even in other people's systems. I feel like just discussing each problem in detail brings a calirty to my mind about it all that makes solutions easier to think of and also makes it easier to be patient with the system as a whole
I’m older (retired), and always went to a GP. He delivered all my babies - even the C-sections - and took care of my whole family. I see a lot of changes now. The younger docs do not deliver babies, they do not see their patients in the hospital, and they push a lot of their patients to their APRNs, especially if they are Medicare or Medicaid. And when I started at the clinic in 1979, an office visit was $8. Now, I never have a bill less that $200.
Lol seems as if they charge $300 per hour nowadays.
This beef was sponsored by beyond meat.
Why isn’t anyone replying to this sobbing
Ikr it’s actually funny😭😭
I live in UK and just did the blood test before my endocrinology appointment. I was called by the doctor and asked to go to A&E asap as they expected thyroid storm. I had all the tests done, got the hospital bed for one night of observation, had a team of endocrinologists coming to my bed for consultation and left hospital with big bag of free medication. I love NHS and A&E, they never failed me.
As someone from the UK, it was really interesting to hear that both countries have serious problems but that they are very different problems.
It also fascinated me hearing how quickly you can get treatment in the US. I didn’t know that. The NHS has always been a stretched and you’ve always had to wait a long time for treatment but it’s gotten much worse since the Pandemic and the following recession 😞
We need to pay politicians less and pay doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers and teachers more.
You DO see the doctor more quickly, if you can afford to see one. The side doctor Mike is not telling you is that nearly half of us (43% working adults) are inadequately insured and can't afford that level of speedy service (or in my case, any kind of service) anyway.
Yeah, I had possible cancer (I’m fine - no issues) and I waited a month for test results. He’s definitely not telling every person’s experience- I’m currently waiting a month and a half to see a GP and paying out of pocket for several issues. The wait times he was giving are unheard of for me (I’m in the US)
Can't adequately express how pleased I am to see you two finally bury the hatchet. I hope this lasts, and we see more collaborations.
It's a shame that viewers sent you both so low by comparing you both, but you both are incredibly compasionate, and I am incredibly happy it worked out between you two! Cause I actually started out watching Dr. Hope's reaction videos, and that's what lead me to Dr. Mikes videos, and both of your content was so unique and enjoyable. 💕Mike always breaks down the exact sience behind the medical practices and medical faulicies in the show, while Ed always emotes so passionately to the media content of whatever he's watching. You both are incredibly entertaining, mature, and caring humans and I hope you both get to become friends, and do collabs in the future! 💖
I actually got introduced to the medical side of yt from Dr. Hope! then i started watching Dr mike. Both of them have really helped in developing this side of youtube.
I loved this video, how you guys were discussing the differences in the healthcare systems between the US and UK... It would actually be really cool to see more of these conversations, with for example doctors from other nationalities or like different fields in different countries, or with doctors from one nationality moving to completely system... It would be really cool to see more stuff like that... Also thank you for the video guys.. Hope you do more collabs in the future...
This episode was SUCH an important discussion. ❤ So good in so many ways. Everyone should see this!
I followed both of them, when they both reacted to a show I like, for example The good doctor or Cell at work, I watched the reaction videos from both of them. Each give a different aspect in the movie which I never think of or know about, each have their own fun and their own sense of humour, I see no one is stealing from who and just enjoying their contents and videos. Just like a food recipes, once you share it online and it’s good, then everyone will follow and try to recreate or improve the recipes even more. For me that’s the beauty of it, I love both of them.
And beside, what’s the harm of watching both of them? They are very handsome so it’s a treat! 😆
It doesn't say your subbed! (It says it when u click on your profile pic from the chat)
This is how drama should be dealt with. Sit down and talk it out from both point of views
I was like waiting for a new video from Dr Mike and then I came across a new doc...it's really nice to see how respectful you both are for each other..
I'm alive because of the NHS. I was in A&E at my local hospital with my son on Friday. And it was packed to the rafters. But this is a very recent development. And coincides with the closure of smaller local clinics due to budget problems.
It genuinely made me cry because the it is clear managed decline by the government, as they have continuously underfunded the NHS for the past 13 years or so. And the true cost of this is human suffering.
reform aftercare, reform mental health and pump the system full of money for staff and facilities, to major hospitals and smaller local clinics. Stand by your NHS workers, they are all diamonds and deserve respect. DOWN WITH THE TORIES.
It’s so refreshing to see people settle things in a civil conversation face to face!!!
There's room on youtube for both of you guys! I've been following both channels for many years. You're representing entirely different healthcare systems, so even when you cover the same topics, it's so interesting and valuable to have both.
I find so cute that Dr Mike is horrified of a two weeks wait period when I live in a country that´s literally "an appointment? what´s today, may? Well call again in November and we´ll see if there doctor has five minutes free between appointments for you"
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Best ending to this "superheroes fight over a misunderstanding but later they team up", you both rock so really cool to see this.
Yeah NHS wait lists are wild
This is undoubtedly my most favorite and intensive video I have seen from Doctor Mike. I really enjoyed it very, very much.
well, Two grown, mature adults sorting out their differences in a calm, civil and productive manner? that is definitely a first on YT in a good minute. well done for not devolving to a screaming match of who's better.
This is the first I’m hearing about this and I’ve been watching this channel for over 4 years.
I've followed both of you for years and long looked forward to a collabo like this.
I live in the UK and while some parts of the NHS have been good such as my gallbladder removal I have been systematically failed by it in many other areas. I have had severe mental health issues (manic depression, borderline personality disorder and social anxiety) for 20 years and I have yet to have any form of effective treatment. Its so utterly crippling at times that I have lost 3 jobs because of it and im sure you can imagine the rest.
And 5 years ago I twisted my ankle very badly and in hospital they said it was just sprained. Fast-forward to a few months ago I am still in agony with it and have finally been referred for an MRI for which I am still yet to have an appointment for even though I can barely walk at times.
The NHS staff are underpaid and underappreciated because they are doing the best they can with what they have but its so flawed that its costing people their lives.
I have recently discovered his channel, I believe both Doctor Mike's and his videos are very informative. So great to have them together in this vid.
Glad y’all FINALLY reconnected and reconciled.
I think the best solution is a hybrid between UK & US healthcare system. This hybrid works in many European countries, like France, Germany or Czech republic where I come from. Insurance is mandatory, it is in a form of tax, if you cannot pay (e.g. you loose job, you are child), the state pays for you, so everyone is covered. Providers of healthcare are a mix of state, charity and private providers. All of them get majority of funds from the state, but all of them can also accept private additional payments from patients for above standard care (e.g. charge for private room in hospital, better prosthetic etc.)
Can I just say, finally? When the whole thing happened I was a fan of both, and I always thought this was silly and going to get settled sooner or later. I could never even feel bad about such a small misundertanding. It was a bad move by Dr. Hope, but an understandable mistake in the wake of negative comments.
It's good to see you kids finally play together :D