Looks good to me. it looks better than the mess i have. Thanks for posting nothing wrong with old school, as in zip ties, etc. That's what wire cutters are used for
Thank you for the detailed video. It gave me good ideas for my similar setup. Running flexible power cords in a wall cavity between UPS, panel and out the junction box is an electric code violation. The solution I used was to wire a junction box with outlet in the Leviton panel (the rectangular cutout in its bottom and wire it (using Romex power cable) to a wall mount junction box fitted with a NEMA-15 inlet receptacle. The UPS sits on floor, plugs into a wall outlet and the UPS output plugs into the NEMA-15 inlet receptacle (via a NEMA 5-15P to NEMA 5-15R adapter).
I use the industrial strength velcro from Home Depot..it's about 2" wide with separate hook and loop strups and has a cleaner look when taped underneath
I think the end result, visually at least, is pretty neat although those velcro attachments spoil the look a little. But I'm not a fan of these wall systems, I prefer a cabinet and rack mount components.
First of all, nicely done. Seriously, short of going to a 19” rack, that is one of the cleanest installs of that many pieces of equipment I have seen in a home. My only feedback is there are multiple reasons to straight up get rid of that 12-way punchdown block and to just terminate those 6 cables in RJ45 connections: (1) you don’t have hundreds of wires to punch down, so there is no an actual benefit (time, space, etc) to using punchdown with only 6 cables. Also, the 12-way punchdown is half unused and wasting space. Terminating in RJ45 is not hard. (2) removing the punchdown block frees up a lot of space by removing a big object out of the cabinet. (3) going with RJ45 terminations allows you to move the switch to either the place where the punchdown is located or even lower, providing you with more options for overall layout. (4) Removing connection/interfaces inherently increases reliability. Those 6 could go straight into the switch. (5) In the future, if you want to move to 5Gbe or 10GBe with those cables, the punchdown doesn’t have the necessary shielding that you get with the appropriate RJ45 connector. (6) People need to stop using punchdowns for essentially nostalgia purposes. It’s old tech, not shielded. I feel too many people use them because they see them in older installations or at work and are coping it without questioning if it is necessary.
Putting wireless radio devices in a closed metal box seems like a bad idea for them to work. Shouldn't they be in the center of the house for best range ?
Looking super clean and ascetic! If you have cable service over the Coax like MoCA or ISP runs over the coax Please don't use those 8 way splitters people or any 3rd party MoCA splitter. If it's truly being used as antenna you're good. If it's a cable service those 8 ways take too much signal off and will screw your service up. -Cable Tech
I 3-D printed a circular fiber coil support frame at my local public library based on a fiber storage tray that I had found the manual and specs for. Built it in Tiny Cad with tabs that snapped on to split mounting posts with an edge on the bottom to lock them in place. They could rotate out to hold the fiber cable on a 4" circular frame with a cross member for mounting. Again, 3M command strips placed it in the cabinet and on the cross brace hold it nice and secure.
@@DigitalSpaceport I don't. The setup seemed specific to my application at the time. The design is easy enough. A two-inch diameter ring with a 2.5mm width. four holes for threaded inserts for the tabs. The tabs themselves are 5mm with a hole at one end to mount the bolts. To mount the ring, I put a couple of flanges with holes on the bottom of the ring for more bolts and I used more threaded inserts on the mounting surface. finding the threaded inserts in that size was the hard part. you could just thread the holes and put the bolts in directly. You could also just use screws in the flanges to secure it if you were mounting to wood for example. I just mimicked the fiber routing in a fibre storage cabinet I found drawings for online. Most of those companies also provide AutoCAD elements of their products you could use as a starting point.
Zip ties... Not a mistake, but very "old school." I stopped installing zip ties back over a decade ago. Velcro straps are a better option, as they can be quickly undone and redone several times, without having to throw away and get new. About the only thing I would have done different, is to get a power strip whose plug oriented correctly, so you didn't need a whole lot of extra cable from the extenders. I do have to say, you have a very organized setup. I'm somewhat envious. I have a fairly crowded Leviton 32"
I have more gear I am thinking of adding and indeed the power strip was a bunch of compromises. Leviton makes a nice one, its of course stupid expensive.
As a former cable technician it’s nice to see that you are utilizing 75ohm terminators. Question do you have a 7/16? Just seeing you tightening them down with those wire strippers at 10:26 was painful to watch. Great video otherwise!
What you really need is a Wall mount rack (NavePoint). Something like a 12U to 15U, than you can install full sized rack-mount networking components (Switches, Firewall, etc).
You may not have seen the racks, but there are dedicated networking racks. I don't think I showed those in this video. More on those racks soon. ua-cam.com/video/nlC3euvNwXk/v-deo.html
@@DigitalSpaceport Yes, I saw those after I watched this video. That said I prefer the smaller wall mounts for cable wiring, since the wiring is fixed in side of walls. For server racks (42U) I prefer to leave them unencumbered since they are more likely to get moved in the future.
I use 3M command strips instead of Velcro. They hold extremely well and can be removed by pulling on their tab until the adhesive releases. I attach one side to the back of the device and the other side to the cabinet. then just press the two together and you're done. The adhesive takes a few minutes to set up, so I usually give the two parts a few minutes till I connect them together. They have a wide variety of attachment fixtures for all sorts of things like large, framed pictures, posters, coax wire and mops and brooms. They are a premium product and priced that way but give a clean appearance without the bondage strapped down look. No drilling and they are rated for a variety of weights up to about 10 lbs. or more. Velcro has an industrial version of the product as well. very stiff posts locking against each other. They are rated for up to 20 lbs. But the Velcro is permanently fixed to the surface. and not removable. You can find them in dollar stores, hardware stores, Walmart, and Amazon. There can be peel-away issues with drywall and painted surfaces if the weight is high. The command strips would have solve4d you are mounting issue on the 4-port Mikrotik switch with no effort..
The video on the 3 racks and their networking gear is being edited right now. This panel is just the demark for the house internal network + workbench and the racks.
Love the layout. Just wondered why you didn’t put the dust caps on the fibre ends when they were unplugged. It helps keep them clean, especially having seen what you did to the first one after wrapping it around the frame. 😱
I have piles of these from a server room cleanout and agree I should have used the caps, but I lost them long ago. Realistically if there was a problem I would just use the old to pull a new line in (its all in conduit) but all these strands are running w/o errors so 🤷 and finding those caps is a lost cause at this point
Not a bad little setup. I would have tried to trim the fiber up a bit. You might be able to 3D Print some more mounts and such for the box to clean it up nicely. Maybe route the coax cable through the left side so you dont have to bend as much. It looks like a great setup. Can't wait to see what you do with the servers
For coax terminations you should check the stinger after you strip the boot. Sometimes the metal strands will loop around the stinger causing interference also for the fiber you should look into SM not MM as SM will do up to 100Gbps basically future proofing your network needs
Question, why have the 10g in there? There's no devices connected through that cabinet that needs 10g is there? Could just keep the 10g in the rack, or do you not have structured cable to the rack (aside from that specific fiber)?
I'm watching you zip tie that bundle of coax leading to the Leviton Splitter and can't help but keep thinking "This is why cable lacing was invented. Why isn't he lacing that cable instead of zip tying?
Hi! I'm your newest subscriber and a home network newbie. I saw you responded to a comment from 2 weeks ago, that's amazing you're so attentive! I have some questions if you've got the time! My home has hardwired internet to each room but it's all cat5 so I can't hit those 10gb speeds. I am going to rerun the wiring in my house and I figured if I wanted to future-proof I'd be best served by skipping cat6 and going straight for singlemode fiber cable. My current setup for my house (When I bought it a couple years ago and moved in): I have a utility panel on the outside of my house where the fiber cable comes in and connects to my ONT. My ONT actually inside this panel on the outside of my home. The ONT is powered by a UPS in a network cabinet inside that provides power to the ONT via POE. This is the portion of your setup I don't see. So I guess my question is, where does your ONT lead? Is it running to your patch panel? I imagine you have a modem somewhere as well. Do you have a wiring diagram anywhere for your setup? Where is your TPlink switch getting internet? From the backup router I'm guessing? Then that is how you connect your IOT device and the 6 ethernet to the left? I can see it looks like you're power the MikroTik switch via POE and that grey ethernet running up. Where is the grey ethernet plugged in? Is there a special was to use POE? Could you just plug it into the TPLink switch? I appreciate any guidance you can offer! Great video!
First off I had a lot of work work I had to do so only had time for doing videos and sorry it took so long to catchup. I would avoid SM fiber and go for MM and in fact I did that in my house. OM3 cable (aqua colored stuff) is excellent. SM is very much smaller bend radius tolerances and things like tight edge wall runs can get tricky to maintain perfect bend radius with. I have 1 SM run in my house but 6 drops of MM and I think you will love the results! Why everyone doesnt have fiber in their home is beyond me. Preplan heavy and get a good pair of glowrods. Make sure you know if you have firebreaks you will have to double drill down! I did 2x cat6, 1x MM, 1x coax in each drop and it did take a long time and I hope you have a high pitch roof. Next on the ONT.... I do not have FTTH unfortunately but am in an area getting high split cable which will finally get me to symmetrical up/down speeds and greater than 1gb (will go up to 5gb option) and I am very excited for that. I wish I had FTTH but its very unlikely unless ATT decides to add our subdivision. That mikrotik is an awesome little switch and "just works" over PoE and it runs over to my main racks (I have 3 racks and a lot more networking gear) which you can see featured in this video here. ua-cam.com/video/nlC3euvNwXk/v-deo.htmlsi=9_gMLYbT7OazcjkV which will have an updated video out soonish as I now also have 100gb for my internal network. This is a reason to consider SM for sure if you plan to take it that far. The slim TP link runs over to the main rack also, avoid daisy chaining switches as much as possible is very good advice. Good luck on your wiring!
Okay now I am looking this up and yes you have a great point here! That is the best option for all this DC wallwart pile. Any brand you use in particular?
Finally had time to watch haha, very nice setup!! I might have mounted the fiber switch rotated 180 so the connections come out the bottom though. I actually prefer zipties over velcro where they can be used, especially stiff RG6 runs. The velcro just doesn't hold tight enough. How is the antenna signal with the 1-to-8 splitter? I have a 1-to-4 but purposely bought one with an amp (Channel Master) as I was concerned about signal loss.
I have a booster (same brand) on the antenna and the signal at all the drops is very good. I am not far from the towers and do have decent LoS so that helps for sure. Antenna is a cut piece of coax stripped and made into a 16" diameter loop.
"I actually prefer zipties over velcro where they can be used, especially stiff RG6 runs" Probably increasing signal losses with tight radius's & over tightening the zipties.
You already knew there would be comments about using zip ties over Velcro ties lol 😂 I would have used Velcro ties just for ease of adjustment later. Also, I would have used double sided Velcro tape to mount the Smart Things hub. Other than that, great job 😁
Yeah someone else pointed out the super strong double sided Velcro and I have some ordered now. Looks like a great use for it plus I have more things to mount.
It is not great TBH but its wired backhaul to the 4 other mesh AP pucks so overall house coverage is still excellent. The speed isnt amazing as its 866 max on these. Leviton does make a wireless friendly (I guess plastic?) version of this but it is substantially more.
I have 3 racks and a bunch of network gear on those and an internal network switch also. This is kinda the demark between those zones. I have made a network map now and will have that in the next networking video on my cleanup of the server racks networking. Thanks!
What's the advantage of the patch panel over say the following: Running 4 runs from a poe router to poe powered mini switches where tv's and computers are hooked up?
Hi, great installation!, I looking to do some similar config in my house... what device do you use at the other side of the Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN MM Fiber networking switch? Thanks in advance
2 videos on that in the works. On 1 side is my 3 racks of gear and they include for the network stack a Mellanox SX6036/ Brocade ICX 6610 and Dell 5548p for the rack needs. On the residential side I have another Mikrotek CSS326-24G-2S+ that does the house drops internally + the pfSense router and 5 wireless APs. Network Diagram in next networking video.
These are a pain to deal with. Had I known how things would evolve in the house and garage, I would not have started with one of these. It does have the conduit routed from the attic, and the attic is not a fun place in this house, so I just had to come to terms with it and clean it up.
I do satellite tv. I can understand having some slack in the lines in case work has to be done later, but why leave that much of the orange fiber cable? Just seems like over kill.
Well the cables I just had or had bought cheap off ebay at some point without really presizing things. There was slack and I coiled it is really all I can say at this point lol. I could have left it in the attic, but then it can get to be a mess if it kinks up and stuff.
I gotta say I am not really happy with the coil and tension especially at the heads. Trying to find a nice way to "un-F" it when I get a 3d printer for sure.
@@DigitalSpaceport yeah, custom pieces to fit your needs at the touch of a button and a bit of time is nice. So many great printers out there now. It's a fun rabbit hole.
I use a standalone cheap inline USB to COAX antenna tuner but it is only ATSC 1 and I use plex for DVR. ATSC 3 is out sometime in my area and when it comes around I will be going with an HDhomerun unit most likely.
OM2 50/125 which is also orange and does negotiate at 10g and speeds at 9gbit solid over the distances it's run for me. It may be getting used as the pull string for OS2 however given new switch is much faster.
I've got a call in right now to see when they are getting in. Asia Pacific moves fast sometimes and slow at others. Week or so. You feeling the pressure now that I catapulted into the lead ?
@@DigitalSpaceport Keep looking in that rear view mirror my friend, I will, some day put you back in mine. If you notice, I am already getting close to you, just 6 others suppurate us and I already have enough to move up a few more slots. I will hold off from getting them for the other source, I will commit to at least 8 20TiB SATA drives, maybe more, just depends how things go financially.
Per code, its not rated to be in a wall at all, the “correct” way to do this would be to have the 120v all externally mounted, or have the ups on the floor or a shelf and have to ups outlet go into an in wall rated 120v inlet that is connected to romex and then terminated at an outlet inside the inclosure. That being said as long as the ups has airflow and doesn’t overheat this setup will likely be fine.
Yeah this is really more of a demark for the houses internal network and the racks and workbench drops and it is indeed wasteful (and a tad hackie) but it was like OM2 vomit in there prior. Thanks!
What is this? Talking about not to bend the fibre connection but doing exactly this! Also why do you put an 4G Backup router in this metal cabinet? This is really american work... Looks nice, works like dump.
Im getting a 3d printer to print a better loop and the signal to the 4G backup is great. I am not far from a tower and it feeds via cat6 to the router and then to the 5 AP wireless mesh for the house. Funny you just lump everyone in like that, very much stereotyping. I hope you have a good day all the same.
@@DigitalSpaceport In the UK at least I've never seen one of these in-wall media boxes, not even in new builds. Most of our houses here are built of brick. I've only ever seen these in videos from people in the US and sometimes Canada.
@@DigitalSpaceport More often than not in the UK I see people install a small wall mounted network cabinet high up in a closet, or under their stairs. That seems to be the go-to for people who need more networking equipment in their houses.
Well crap, was about to purchase 8 more 20TiB SATA drives from you but you are out of stock 😭 I am starting to wonder if this is a plot by you against me so I will not catch you.
@@DigitalSpaceport Well you do not think I will let you get away with that now do you? LOL, I just checked, since joining the same pool you are on I have contributed (Found) 3 blocks, to you 2 blocks, so there is that Haaa back at ya.
Whyyyy? I am absolutely against the use of these structured media panels. A STANDARD 19" Rack, while not as space efficient and not as aestetically pleasing, is far superior for many reasons. Even for home use! 1) standard 2) easier to work with, easier to troubleshoot 3) more options available, no vendor lock-in 4) more hardware options, rack mounted router, rack mounted switches, etc. 5) more expandability 6) Ethernet, fibre, and Coax patch panels (though I guess you could just mount a Coax splitter to a blank panel by drilling a few holes or 3D printing one. Etc. Etc. Yes, these look nicer, but just are not properly functional. That SmartThingsIoT hub ideally should be placed much closer to your Z[ed]-wave/Zigbee devices for more reliable wireless signal, at least you knew enough to connect it to Ethernet and not WiFi! (I wish more smart devices like smart switches (anything that are stationary really) would use PoE, MoCA, or Powerline networking instead of wireless (wired is ALWAY superior to wireless whenever mobility is not needed and practical).
wrong type of fiber for 10G. need to use aqua or velvet colored OM3 or OM4 fiber. youre using OM2 multimode which is not qualified for 10G+. its like trying to run gigabit on cat3 phone wire. 😒
OM2 does work (*and used to be rated as such) for MM 10Gbit over the distances sub-80 meters. I am using a 30 meter max length. I did not purchase it new for this use, but rather got it free with a server room cleanout. I would of course purchase OM3+ for any modern runs but I also believe in being cheap and not wasting money. In addition it does work without issue at 10Gbit without error.
It's becoming more common, even if residential subscribers aren't currently getting full 10Gbit's provisioned on their plan. It's more of future proofing when you want/need higher speeds later. Comcast has been using 10gig fiber equipment for it's "gigabit pro" service (fiber based service thats different from their trad cable offerings) for a while now, and residential customers only had 2 gigs of the circuit, and apparently now they've started upgrading customers over to 4Gbit tiers
I wonder how you will feel when the 40Gbit video is out... JK lol? But seriously I have been running 10Gbit for 6 or so years and love it connected to my unraid server with a super fast NVME storage array for files I access often.
I hope that panel isn’t metal because if you’re putting anything that that uses wireless communications inside, you have absolutely absolutely no clue what you’re doing
It hurts my soul each time I see any kind of wireless technology being put into a closed panel.
Looks good to me. it looks better than the mess i have.
Thanks for posting
nothing wrong with old school, as in zip ties, etc. That's what wire cutters are used for
You have more gear than some companies I used to work for.
Govdeals is a hell of a drug
Thank you for the detailed video. It gave me good ideas for my similar setup. Running flexible power cords in a wall cavity between UPS, panel and out the junction box is an electric code violation. The solution I used was to wire a junction box with outlet in the Leviton panel (the rectangular cutout in its bottom and wire it (using Romex power cable) to a wall mount junction box fitted with a NEMA-15 inlet receptacle. The UPS sits on floor, plugs into a wall outlet and the UPS output plugs into the NEMA-15 inlet receptacle (via a NEMA 5-15P to NEMA 5-15R adapter).
I use the industrial strength velcro from Home Depot..it's about 2" wide with separate hook and loop strups and has a cleaner look when taped underneath
I think the end result, visually at least, is pretty neat although those velcro attachments spoil the look a little. But I'm not a fan of these wall systems, I prefer a cabinet and rack mount components.
It saves space, most people don't have enough of it
First of all, nicely done. Seriously, short of going to a 19” rack, that is one of the cleanest installs of that many pieces of equipment I have seen in a home.
My only feedback is there are multiple reasons to straight up get rid of that 12-way punchdown block and to just terminate those 6 cables in RJ45 connections:
(1) you don’t have hundreds of wires to punch down, so there is no an actual benefit (time, space, etc) to using punchdown with only 6 cables. Also, the 12-way punchdown is half unused and wasting space. Terminating in RJ45 is not hard.
(2) removing the punchdown block frees up a lot of space by removing a big object out of the cabinet.
(3) going with RJ45 terminations allows you to move the switch to either the place where the punchdown is located or even lower, providing you with more options for overall layout.
(4) Removing connection/interfaces inherently increases reliability. Those 6 could go straight into the switch.
(5) In the future, if you want to move to 5Gbe or 10GBe with those cables, the punchdown doesn’t have the necessary shielding that you get with the appropriate RJ45 connector.
(6) People need to stop using punchdowns for essentially nostalgia purposes. It’s old tech, not shielded. I feel too many people use them because they see them in older installations or at work and are coping it without questioning if it is necessary.
Putting wireless radio devices in a closed metal box seems like a bad idea for them to work.
Shouldn't they be in the center of the house for best range ?
Looking super clean and ascetic! If you have cable service over the Coax like MoCA or ISP runs over the coax Please don't use those 8 way splitters people or any 3rd party MoCA splitter. If it's truly being used as antenna you're good. If it's a cable service those 8 ways take too much signal off and will screw your service up.
-Cable Tech
Yeah its all antenna. I ran cat6 and MM fiber in the house so no need to moca.
I 3-D printed a circular fiber coil support frame at my local public library based on a fiber storage tray that I had found the manual and specs for. Built it in Tiny Cad with tabs that snapped on to split mounting posts with an edge on the bottom to lock them in place. They could rotate out to hold the fiber cable on a 4" circular frame with a cross member for mounting. Again, 3M command strips placed it in the cabinet and on the cross brace hold it nice and secure.
do you happen to have that uploaded as an stl file?
@@DigitalSpaceport I don't. The setup seemed specific to my application at the time. The design is easy enough. A two-inch diameter ring with a 2.5mm width. four holes for threaded inserts for the tabs. The tabs themselves are 5mm with a hole at one end to mount the bolts. To mount the ring, I put a couple of flanges with holes on the bottom of the ring for more bolts and I used more threaded inserts on the mounting surface. finding the threaded inserts in that size was the hard part. you could just thread the holes and put the bolts in directly. You could also just use screws in the flanges to secure it if you were mounting to wood for example. I just mimicked the fiber routing in a fibre storage cabinet I found drawings for online. Most of those companies also provide AutoCAD elements of their products you could use as a starting point.
Nice job sir. I love watching someone else install network cables and infrastructure. That means I don't have to do it. lol
Racks are next. I looked up some of the gear I have and I am totally using it wrong in there lol.
Man, I would sure love to have a home lab/network such as yours.
step 1) start youtube channel
step 2) realize insane is what folks watch
step 3) embrace the insanity
Zip ties... Not a mistake, but very "old school." I stopped installing zip ties back over a decade ago. Velcro straps are a better option, as they can be quickly undone and redone several times, without having to throw away and get new.
About the only thing I would have done different, is to get a power strip whose plug oriented correctly, so you didn't need a whole lot of extra cable from the extenders.
I do have to say, you have a very organized setup. I'm somewhat envious. I have a fairly crowded Leviton 32"
I have more gear I am thinking of adding and indeed the power strip was a bunch of compromises. Leviton makes a nice one, its of course stupid expensive.
As a former cable technician it’s nice to see that you are utilizing 75ohm terminators. Question do you have a 7/16? Just seeing you tightening them down with those wire strippers at 10:26 was painful to watch. Great video otherwise!
What you really need is a Wall mount rack (NavePoint). Something like a 12U to 15U, than you can install full sized rack-mount networking components (Switches, Firewall, etc).
You may not have seen the racks, but there are dedicated networking racks. I don't think I showed those in this video. More on those racks soon. ua-cam.com/video/nlC3euvNwXk/v-deo.html
@@DigitalSpaceport Yes, I saw those after I watched this video. That said I prefer the smaller wall mounts for cable wiring, since the wiring is fixed in side of walls. For server racks (42U) I prefer to leave them unencumbered since they are more likely to get moved in the future.
I use 3M command strips instead of Velcro. They hold extremely well and can be removed by pulling on their tab until the adhesive releases. I attach one side to the back of the device and the other side to the cabinet. then just press the two together and you're done. The adhesive takes a few minutes to set up, so I usually give the two parts a few minutes till I connect them together. They have a wide variety of attachment fixtures for all sorts of things like large, framed pictures, posters, coax wire and mops and brooms. They are a premium product and priced that way but give a clean appearance without the bondage strapped down look. No drilling and they are rated for a variety of weights up to about 10 lbs. or more. Velcro has an industrial version of the product as well. very stiff posts locking against each other. They are rated for up to 20 lbs. But the Velcro is permanently fixed to the surface. and not removable. You can find them in dollar stores, hardware stores, Walmart, and Amazon. There can be peel-away issues with drywall and painted surfaces if the weight is high. The command strips would have solve4d you are mounting issue on the 4-port Mikrotik switch with no effort..
Nice little setup, you may want a wall mounted rack down the line if you need a bigger switch, etc.
The video on the 3 racks and their networking gear is being edited right now. This panel is just the demark for the house internal network + workbench and the racks.
5:24 - The Only mistake you're doing is NOT using a zip tie cutter.
I'm going back to trim those edges
Love the layout. Just wondered why you didn’t put the dust caps on the fibre ends when they were unplugged. It helps keep them clean, especially having seen what you did to the first one after wrapping it around the frame. 😱
I have piles of these from a server room cleanout and agree I should have used the caps, but I lost them long ago. Realistically if there was a problem I would just use the old to pull a new line in (its all in conduit) but all these strands are running w/o errors so 🤷 and finding those caps is a lost cause at this point
@@DigitalSpaceport Keep in mind you can buy a disposable tool that cleans fiber ends, if you don't have caps. OneClick by AFL Global is a good one.
Not a bad little setup. I would have tried to trim the fiber up a bit. You might be able to 3D Print some more mounts and such for the box to clean it up nicely. Maybe route the coax cable through the left side so you dont have to bend as much. It looks like a great setup. Can't wait to see what you do with the servers
3d printer hints are dropping like flys to the wife, really need one for all the gear I have.
@@DigitalSpaceport Got a bunch of things you can make for the wife too
For coax terminations you should check the stinger after you strip the boot. Sometimes the metal strands will loop around the stinger causing interference also for the fiber you should look into SM not MM as SM will do up to 100Gbps basically future proofing your network needs
I now have a 100gbit switch and a lot of am to run! Living proof you are right 😆
I’m just upset you didn’t use flush trim cutters on the zip ties.
But what if I went back after I read this and did? 😜
Question, why have the 10g in there? There's no devices connected through that cabinet that needs 10g is there? Could just keep the 10g in the rack, or do you not have structured cable to the rack (aside from that specific fiber)?
I'm watching you zip tie that bundle of coax leading to the Leviton Splitter and can't help but keep thinking "This is why cable lacing was invented. Why isn't he lacing that cable instead of zip tying?
Because I just heard about cable lacing right now 😜 also looked it up and I would need some additional skills never practiced before
Velcro
@@denniswoycheshen yes Velcro is best!
It's your equipment. Do what you want.
Hi! I'm your newest subscriber and a home network newbie. I saw you responded to a comment from 2 weeks ago, that's amazing you're so attentive! I have some questions if you've got the time!
My home has hardwired internet to each room but it's all cat5 so I can't hit those 10gb speeds. I am going to rerun the wiring in my house and I figured if I wanted to future-proof I'd be best served by skipping cat6 and going straight for singlemode fiber cable. My current setup for my house (When I bought it a couple years ago and moved in):
I have a utility panel on the outside of my house where the fiber cable comes in and connects to my ONT. My ONT actually inside this panel on the outside of my home. The ONT is powered by a UPS in a network cabinet inside that provides power to the ONT via POE. This is the portion of your setup I don't see.
So I guess my question is, where does your ONT lead? Is it running to your patch panel? I imagine you have a modem somewhere as well. Do you have a wiring diagram anywhere for your setup?
Where is your TPlink switch getting internet? From the backup router I'm guessing? Then that is how you connect your IOT device and the 6 ethernet to the left?
I can see it looks like you're power the MikroTik switch via POE and that grey ethernet running up. Where is the grey ethernet plugged in? Is there a special was to use POE? Could you just plug it into the TPLink switch?
I appreciate any guidance you can offer! Great video!
First off I had a lot of work work I had to do so only had time for doing videos and sorry it took so long to catchup. I would avoid SM fiber and go for MM and in fact I did that in my house. OM3 cable (aqua colored stuff) is excellent. SM is very much smaller bend radius tolerances and things like tight edge wall runs can get tricky to maintain perfect bend radius with. I have 1 SM run in my house but 6 drops of MM and I think you will love the results! Why everyone doesnt have fiber in their home is beyond me. Preplan heavy and get a good pair of glowrods. Make sure you know if you have firebreaks you will have to double drill down! I did 2x cat6, 1x MM, 1x coax in each drop and it did take a long time and I hope you have a high pitch roof.
Next on the ONT.... I do not have FTTH unfortunately but am in an area getting high split cable which will finally get me to symmetrical up/down speeds and greater than 1gb (will go up to 5gb option) and I am very excited for that. I wish I had FTTH but its very unlikely unless ATT decides to add our subdivision.
That mikrotik is an awesome little switch and "just works" over PoE and it runs over to my main racks (I have 3 racks and a lot more networking gear) which you can see featured in this video here. ua-cam.com/video/nlC3euvNwXk/v-deo.htmlsi=9_gMLYbT7OazcjkV which will have an updated video out soonish as I now also have 100gb for my internal network. This is a reason to consider SM for sure if you plan to take it that far.
The slim TP link runs over to the main rack also, avoid daisy chaining switches as much as possible is very good advice.
Good luck on your wiring!
Wireless back-up in a metal case???
One of many mistakes I have made. Need an update video on the network, its evolved so much since this video.
Instead of using the wall warts I would use din rail and a single din rail PSU for each voltage with of course din rail distribution blocks
Okay now I am looking this up and yes you have a great point here! That is the best option for all this DC wallwart pile. Any brand you use in particular?
Finally had time to watch haha, very nice setup!! I might have mounted the fiber switch rotated 180 so the connections come out the bottom though. I actually prefer zipties over velcro where they can be used, especially stiff RG6 runs. The velcro just doesn't hold tight enough. How is the antenna signal with the 1-to-8 splitter? I have a 1-to-4 but purposely bought one with an amp (Channel Master) as I was concerned about signal loss.
I have a booster (same brand) on the antenna and the signal at all the drops is very good. I am not far from the towers and do have decent LoS so that helps for sure. Antenna is a cut piece of coax stripped and made into a 16" diameter loop.
"I actually prefer zipties over velcro where they can be used, especially stiff RG6 runs"
Probably increasing signal losses with tight radius's & over tightening the zipties.
nice job!!! I loved watching you do this project
Thank you! 😊
I had to laugh you kept forgetting your cable stripper cut at the back and not the front, glad I,m not the only one😊
At least I didnt cut myself during this one.
I love doing work like that... Looks good....
I wish I would have planned it out a bit better. I already want to get an RPi in there and an HDMI extender but thanks I tried to get it to look good.
I'd like to know what screws you're using.
You already knew there would be comments about using zip ties over Velcro ties lol 😂 I would have used Velcro ties just for ease of adjustment later. Also, I would have used double sided Velcro tape to mount the Smart Things hub. Other than that, great job 😁
Yeah someone else pointed out the super strong double sided Velcro and I have some ordered now. Looks like a great use for it plus I have more things to mount.
Drop the zip ties, embrace the Velcro.
Can it handle cleanly bundling the stiff stuff however? Agree Velcro is the best for non coax.
you are a cool man, nothing is clear but very interesting)) hello from Ukraine
I wonder how well the wireless is going to work in this metal enclosure. Looks metal anyway.
It is not great TBH but its wired backhaul to the 4 other mesh AP pucks so overall house coverage is still excellent. The speed isnt amazing as its 866 max on these. Leviton does make a wireless friendly (I guess plastic?) version of this but it is substantially more.
Not well, never put a wireless AP or wireless router in one of these!!
I missed it, why did you do Power over Coax?
That is for powering the Antenna amp that is in the attic. Makes the signal work great!
@@DigitalSpaceport perfect! thanks
What is that AR 150 device?
good job, bro. why you not use 19 rack mount case for your cable?
I have 3 racks and a bunch of network gear on those and an internal network switch also. This is kinda the demark between those zones. I have made a network map now and will have that in the next networking video on my cleanup of the server racks networking. Thanks!
That was my question. I NEVER use these structured media panels. I'd rip it out and replace with a 19" Rack without a 2nd thought.
out the ziptie together in the other way so they can be taken apart without cutting if needed
I'm workin on it lol. I've come full "hook and loop " haha
What's the advantage of the patch panel over say the following: Running 4 runs from a poe router to poe powered mini switches where tv's and computers are hooked up?
new to this channel do you have examples of the screws you used to mount that switch?
I'd like to know more about the ar150 and your use for it.
Probably a dumb question but what is the sole purpose of the Tp-link box?
Zip ties are fine, Velcro could be cool though..
The cable frame and the fiber switch should swap bits
Ya know what you have a good point there. I am 3d printing a new fiber frame sometime and will reorg it.
Hi, great installation!, I looking to do some similar config in my house...
what device do you use at the other side of the Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN MM Fiber networking switch?
Thanks in advance
2 videos on that in the works. On 1 side is my 3 racks of gear and they include for the network stack a Mellanox SX6036/ Brocade ICX 6610 and Dell 5548p for the rack needs. On the residential side I have another Mikrotek CSS326-24G-2S+ that does the house drops internally + the pfSense router and 5 wireless APs. Network Diagram in next networking video.
Clean, I personally use small rack mount enclosures ! Dislike these network pannels!
These are a pain to deal with. Had I known how things would evolve in the house and garage, I would not have started with one of these. It does have the conduit routed from the attic, and the attic is not a fun place in this house, so I just had to come to terms with it and clean it up.
@@DigitalSpaceport YUP! you did good. Clean and simple !
I used to install these in new home builds and love the system but the price and component pieces make is out of reach for most folks.
Leviton does charge a lot for the official addon parts
Get some side cutters for trimming those zip ties flush. Trust me your arms will thank you later
Im looking now and like what Im seeing!
You are crazy not flush cutting those zip-ties
I've been known to live on the edge
I used 3M Duo Lock to mount things. Very strong and you won't see it.
Just ordered some. Thanks!
Nice setup!
Thanks appreciate it
Do you have more info about the over the air antenna over coax that you show at the end of the video?
I do satellite tv. I can understand having some slack in the lines in case work has to be done later, but why leave that much of the orange fiber cable? Just seems like over kill.
Well the cables I just had or had bought cheap off ebay at some point without really presizing things. There was slack and I coiled it is really all I can say at this point lol. I could have left it in the attic, but then it can get to be a mess if it kinks up and stuff.
What kind of antenna do you have?
So careful with fiber bends until the last bend into the switch...then just close enough. At least at the end of video you gave more slack.
I gotta say I am not really happy with the coil and tension especially at the heads. Trying to find a nice way to "un-F" it when I get a 3d printer for sure.
@@DigitalSpaceport yeah, custom pieces to fit your needs at the touch of a button and a bit of time is nice. So many great printers out there now. It's a fun rabbit hole.
do you have an HD homerun for your antenna setup?
I use a standalone cheap inline USB to COAX antenna tuner but it is only ATSC 1 and I use plex for DVR. ATSC 3 is out sometime in my area and when it comes around I will be going with an HDhomerun unit most likely.
Velcro! Velcro! Velcro!
Looks like OM1 fiber which isn’t for 10G?
OM2 50/125 which is also orange and does negotiate at 10g and speeds at 9gbit solid over the distances it's run for me. It may be getting used as the pull string for OS2 however given new switch is much faster.
I found another source to get used 20TiB SATA drives, but would rather support you, any idea on when you will get your next shipment?
I've got a call in right now to see when they are getting in. Asia Pacific moves fast sometimes and slow at others. Week or so. You feeling the pressure now that I catapulted into the lead ?
@@DigitalSpaceport Keep looking in that rear view mirror my friend, I will, some day put you back in mine. If you notice, I am already getting close to you, just 6 others suppurate us and I already have enough to move up a few more slots. I will hold off from getting them for the other source, I will commit to at least 8 20TiB SATA drives, maybe more, just depends how things go financially.
A wireless device in a metal case, Faraday will be turning in his grave. Get an external antenna for it please.
I need to do an update video on that panel. Lot has changed and there is nothing wireless in it now for a while
All this and you don't have a 3d printer to make cable guides for that coax?
I just looked this up and am looking for a decent 3d printer. I need it for so many things and hoped to get one for Christmas but didn't.
Is it ok for the UPS to be placed inside such a small wall box?
Now that's a good question. I'm going to look more into this
Per code, its not rated to be in a wall at all, the “correct” way to do this would be to have the 120v all externally mounted, or have the ups on the floor or a shelf and have to ups outlet go into an in wall rated 120v inlet that is connected to romex and then terminated at an outlet inside the inclosure. That being said as long as the ups has airflow and doesn’t overheat this setup will likely be fine.
@Ryder Holland a better way would be to use a 19" Rack and out the UPS on a shelf, or get a rack mounted UPS.
It's nice but that spool of fiber feels like wasted space in the network panel. Clean for what it's worth tho.
Yeah this is really more of a demark for the houses internal network and the racks and workbench drops and it is indeed wasteful (and a tad hackie) but it was like OM2 vomit in there prior. Thanks!
What is this? Talking about not to bend the fibre connection but doing exactly this!
Also why do you put an 4G Backup router in this metal cabinet?
This is really american work... Looks nice, works like dump.
Im getting a 3d printer to print a better loop and the signal to the 4G backup is great. I am not far from a tower and it feeds via cat6 to the router and then to the 5 AP wireless mesh for the house. Funny you just lump everyone in like that, very much stereotyping. I hope you have a good day all the same.
@@DigitalSpaceport I didn't wanna sound rude, it's just an american thing to do things nice looking but not technically perfect ;)
this man likes his zip ties lol
Eek I have to much more powerful gear need an actual wall mount rack
How quintessentially American
do they not use these in other parts of the world?
@@DigitalSpaceport In the UK at least I've never seen one of these in-wall media boxes, not even in new builds. Most of our houses here are built of brick. I've only ever seen these in videos from people in the US and sometimes Canada.
You are lucky these things are not great to add stuff into after the fact and you always need to add stuff in later.
@@DigitalSpaceport More often than not in the UK I see people install a small wall mounted network cabinet high up in a closet, or under their stairs.
That seems to be the go-to for people who need more networking equipment in their houses.
Man, you need UniFi and you don't even know it. What a mess of a mix and match of gross consumer products.
Well crap, was about to purchase 8 more 20TiB SATA drives from you but you are out of stock 😭 I am starting to wonder if this is a plot by you against me so I will not catch you.
They will be in Friday or Monday and prices down a tad and JBOD 3 gets repurposed in ~3.5 hrs muhahahaha.
@@DigitalSpaceport Well you do not think I will let you get away with that now do you? LOL, I just checked, since joining the same pool you are on I have contributed (Found) 3 blocks, to you 2 blocks, so there is that Haaa back at ya.
@@DigitalSpaceport I will check your site on Friday, credit card sitting here waiting.
Make that 4 to your 2. :)
I "should" be around 6-7 by now
Flush cutters man... C'mon...
I did go back and trim this up with some nippers (based on the overwhelming feedback to do so) and tips are not protruding any longer.
Whyyyy? I am absolutely against the use of these structured media panels. A STANDARD 19" Rack, while not as space efficient and not as aestetically pleasing, is far superior for many reasons. Even for home use!
1) standard
2) easier to work with, easier to troubleshoot
3) more options available, no vendor lock-in
4) more hardware options, rack mounted router, rack mounted switches, etc.
5) more expandability
6) Ethernet, fibre, and Coax patch panels (though I guess you could just mount a Coax splitter to a blank panel by drilling a few holes or 3D printing one.
Etc. Etc.
Yes, these look nicer, but just are not properly functional.
That SmartThingsIoT hub ideally should be placed much closer to your Z[ed]-wave/Zigbee devices for more reliable wireless signal, at least you knew enough to connect it to Ethernet and not WiFi! (I wish more smart devices like smart switches (anything that are stationary really) would use PoE, MoCA, or Powerline networking instead of wireless (wired is ALWAY superior to wireless whenever mobility is not needed and practical).
wrong type of fiber for 10G. need to use aqua or velvet colored OM3 or OM4 fiber. youre using OM2 multimode which is not qualified for 10G+. its like trying to run gigabit on cat3 phone wire. 😒
OM2 does work (*and used to be rated as such) for MM 10Gbit over the distances sub-80 meters. I am using a 30 meter max length. I did not purchase it new for this use, but rather got it free with a server room cleanout. I would of course purchase OM3+ for any modern runs but I also believe in being cheap and not wasting money. In addition it does work without issue at 10Gbit without error.
@@DigitalSpaceport are you using 850nm or 1350nm optics?
@Digital Spaceport oh yeah you could probably use a white string for 30 meters. 😆
@@justinhannah1023 850
10Gbit fiber for home ??
WTF !??
Getting pretty common now.
lol that's what I came to ask. 1 gig is overkill for 99.9999% of folks, much less 10.
@@scotmaciver Does this meen I have to tear down my 40Gpbs setup?
It's becoming more common, even if residential subscribers aren't currently getting full 10Gbit's provisioned on their plan. It's more of future proofing when you want/need higher speeds later. Comcast has been using 10gig fiber equipment for it's "gigabit pro" service (fiber based service thats different from their trad cable offerings) for a while now, and residential customers only had 2 gigs of the circuit, and apparently now they've started upgrading customers over to 4Gbit tiers
I wonder how you will feel when the 40Gbit video is out... JK lol? But seriously I have been running 10Gbit for 6 or so years and love it connected to my unraid server with a super fast NVME storage array for files I access often.
I hope that panel isn’t metal because if you’re putting anything that that uses wireless communications inside, you have absolutely absolutely no clue what you’re doing
wtf u need all this crap for tho
Nothing wrong using cable ties. But the colour of the cable tie make me frustrated 😣 w t F colour is that ???? 😣😣