Fun facts: - Ajax and Achilles were cousins. - Ajax fought Hector in a Duel, twice. And in both occasions were draw. After the first duel they exchange gifts and Ajax got Hector's sword. - Ajax was more of a Defensive warrior. He single handily defended many Troyans attacks to burn Greek Ships. - Ajax fights with a great shield and he throw big rocks. One of them almost killed Hector... He did not use a warhammer (which is waaay cooler) - Ajax fights with his younger brother who is proficient with a bow and covers Ajax. - Ajax survived the Troyan war and he is the one who retrieved the dead body of Achilles and brought him home. - Achilles possesses a magic armor which many warrior wanted. Ajax should get the armor but Odysseus was a better orator and convince the gods to give him the armor. - Ajax got so mad with shame that he killed himself with hector sword over Achilles armor. - Ajax turns into a household detergent. lol
Tefkros the son of Telamon, heir of the throne of Salamis, the most skillful bowman of the Trojan war was the older brother of Ajax. After the war he was punished from his father, because he had promised him to protect his younger brother. He was expelled from Salamis because Ajax committed suicide. After an oracle of Delphi he went to the southeastern coast of Cyprus where he built the Kingdom of Salamis after his homeland
Glad to see this comment. The whole movie while entertaining is riddled with inaccuracies. Menelaus dies in the movie but in the book he returns home. Agamemnon survives the war but is later murdered by his wife on the return home. You cover Ajax and Hector well. And then in the fight against Achilles and Hector I love the way they spice it up in the movie but it takes away from Achilles cuz in the book Achilles kills him pretty quickly, it was lent that the two fighters were close, nobody was anywhere near the skill of Achilles. They also totally don’t even have Diomedes in the film but he’s a total badass in the book.
@Dan Lumo I mean I wouldn’t call it history but I get what you’re saying. At the end of the day they have to make the story screen friendly and while for example in the context of the book, Achilles killing Hector is dramatic, that scene written strictly off the book would be very underwhelming on screen so I get it, that’s why I prefaced my comment by mentioning that the movie is entertaining albeit inaccurate.
2:06 I love this shot of Priam. You can just see the overwhelming pride/love he has for his eldest son. As always, Peter O'Toole does such a great job in his role
I love how the only reason Ajax actually didn't finish Hector, was the life bled out of him. He was strangling and lifting the Prince, whilst being stabbed by the sword. He's like 'Bitch, I'mma get you.'
Hector remains in the annals of history. The real hero. Never unjust. A great prince, a humble son, a caring brother, a visionary philosopher who could see through the superstition of the priests, a caring husband who guides his wife about the ways to safe passage. And above all a true warrior... tired, wounded, yet accepting the duel with energetic & fresh Achilles knowing well he was bound to lose his life. Salute you Hector.
@CAESER AUGUSTUS he was resting because of the curse of the river Styx, he granted semi immortality, at the cost of huge fatigue after his movements, he was never fully "rested"
@@smallville4351 No, he wasn't. He fled from Achilles when filled with fear from Apollo, but then turned and faced him. He actually dodged Achilles first spear and charged straight at him despite Athena returning the spear to Achilles' hand. Dude was a beast and a true hero.
@@poulsdpoulsd6593 no, he wanted to kill all the other kings of the Argive host, but Athena wasn't having any of it and so blinded him, making him think he was killing the other leaders. when he woke up the next morning, he found himself among the carcasses of sheep. and then he killed himself out of shame
When I was a boy, I cheered blindly for Achilles, with his flowing hair and flashy moves. As a man, I cannot help but admire the resolve of Prince Hector of Troy. To embody such prowess of self, is a feat more legendary than even the combative skills of the man who slew him.
@@Alvin_Vivian You idolise the man that happily prayed for his comrades to be slaughtered so everybody would know how important he was to him? Bit weird
it must be one of the most satisfying things in the world to challenge and defeat a man who's twice your size while your whole country and your wife are watching you.
They should've stuck with the original story - Hector doesn't kill Ajax, they fight to a brutal draw and each earn the other's respect. Still a great scene though.
in the original story Ajax ends up shamed and kills himself. I prefer this version, at least here he died in battle fighting another hero, and not falling to his own sword.
When Ajax realizes that he's playing against Juventus in the Champions League. EDIT: Ajax seemed to finally lift the curse of taking Ls against Juve, but historically speaking the latter has more dubs.
To be fair, Hector had been fighting the Greeks every since they landed. Achilles only had one battle and that was when he and his men first arrived. Not to make excuses but Hector was tired and bartered from the earlier battles.
Hector had a Long night to rest up...and as you said, Achilies hadn't been fighting in a while...so technically, he should have been in lest physical shape to meet Hector, who (as you say) had been fighting greeks constantly. Just goes to show that Achiles, even when resting, was Vastly more skilled than Hector!
Undriel Grenger Hector was not mentally prepared for Achilles. He had just killed his cousin which in the Illiad was his lover. He was stressed and troubled about that. In addition like I said before he was tired and fatigued from previous fights. One night of rest was not going to make up for all that. Achilles was a gifted born killer. It didnt matter for him whether he hadn't fought in a month he was always ready to go. He is damn near a war God. The fight between the two would have been more of a challenge for Achilles had it happened at their first meeting at Apolos temple when Hector was eager to battle him. It would have been even more of a challenge if the person in his armor was really Achilles when his cousin was killed.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Hercules was a son of Zeus, that's about as OP as it's possible to be in Greek mythology. Hector was just a bloke who was incredibly skilled in combat.
FeedMoreNoobs If he bought a thornmail he would have survived those basic attacks while returning dmg to Hector. The other option is to buy a warden's mail to slow hector's attack speed which was quite high as it was.
I love how Ajax punches Hector even though he got stabbed through the gut.Then he proceeds to break the spear in half as blood gushes out of his mouth and beat him with it with the other half still in him XD What a badass.
Long time after watching the movie, I understood that Hector was the noblest man in the entire saga...A man who has to face everything for the sake of his family and country... ❤️❤️
I love how it isn't over-emphasized that the people around them are watching them, the battle rages on despite these two fighting, but then when Ajax finally falls, a huge cheer erupts from the trojan soldiers. It's uplifting without being cheesy.
A lot of people are saying this scene is bullshit because when Hector and Ajax fought in the Illiad it was actually Ajax who dished out the worst of it, although the fight lasted all day without a foreseeable end in sight so it was called off come nightfall and ruled a draw, with both fighters imparting a gift to each other out of respect. However, a lot of you seem to forget that Hector and Ajax actually fought twice in the Illiad, and their second fight took place during a battle between the Trojans and the Greeks - much like you see here. Their second fight was fierce and largely a stalemate - much like you see here. However, in the Illiad, Hector did eventually get the best of Ajax by breaking his spear - much like you see Hector eventually best Ajax here except he kills him instead of disarming him. In the Illiad, Ajax called a retreat after being disarmed since he couldn't fight Hector bare handed and his men were being mowed down by Troy's archers. I'm pretty sure this scene is based on their second fight and while it may still not be 100% inaccurate, it makes a lot more sense when you look at it this way.
in a nutshell and without going crazy over grammar and details, after the second fight ajhax is disarmed yet unscathed and ajax makes it home, as does the armor of Achilles, which is put up as a prize for the victor of a tournament ajax loses, which afterward he goes crazy, slaughters a bunch of sheep and then falls on his sword and kills himself, he is considered to have had ptsd
No, they actually fought thrice in the Iliad, and the only time Hector got close to winning was when he was aided immensely by Zeus himself. In their first duel, which both the Achaeans and Trojans beheld without interfering since it was an arranged one on one battle, Ajax and Hector were ultimately interrupted before they could swing swords at each other but it was Ajax that wounded Hector with his spear prior to all that, not vice versa. In their second duel at the Achaean ships, Ajax knocked Hector unconscious with a big rock and Trojans had to carry him away from the field of battle in order to save him from being finished off. When Hector finally woke up after all that mess, Apollo, on the orders of Zeus, bestowed him with an indomitable strength which he used to get the upper hand in their third encounter - the one you mentioned. You're welcome.
The beauty of this scene is that is reveals just what a great leader Hector was. He sees a villain killing his people and he decides to take the responsibility to personality stop this villain instead of hiding at the back.
Iliad: Lots were drawn amongst the Achaean heroes, and Ajax the Great was thus chosen to face Hector. The battle between the two great warriors began at dawn, and lasted through until dusk. Neither Ajax nor Hector could gain the upper hand in the fight though, and eventually heralds called an end to hostility, at which point the two heroes exchanged gifts, Ajax presenting Hector with a sword belt, and Hector giving Ajax a sword. Hollywood:
Well, I mean by our modern movie standards, it would be silly to do a fight in the manner that Homer (or whoever actually wrote the Iliad) presented it. I mean just imagine them spending like half an hour of movie on a fight, just to then both of the fighters be like: "Hey man, it's like the dusk. Shall we call the day? It was a good fight. Here, have some gifts. See ya tomorrow." It would be silly, wouldn't it?
@@justinian-the-great It was either accuracy or not but then again this is modern retelling with "what if the gods didn't interfere with the trojan war"
What makes this scene kind of funny in the Iliad is that both of them actually survive this fight, the duel having been called off by Zeus, and then later send each other gifts as a pact of friendship. I can't help but find that both hilarious and a little admirable. It's like "Hey, you did a very good job at trying to kill me, here's some gifts, let's be bros." I love Ancient Greek literature because it's just full of funny yet cool stuff like that.
I always loved the showcase of reactions starting from 2:04. Andromache: relief and joy that her husband is still alive and has triumphed. Priam: undescribably pride and joy at the great feat of his son, defeating such a monster of a warrior. Achilles: utterly pissed to see a good friend, Ajax, die on a pointless war for the ambition of a strategic moron, Agamemnon (who basically sent the army to die on that charge).
In ancient Greek mythology, Hector did not kill Ajax, on the contrary Ajax survived the death of many and even took out the body of Achilles from Troy and gave the body to his mother for this Thetis thanked and gave the armor of Achilles to Ajax
Not quite that happened - after recovering Achilles' body, both Odysseus and Ajax argued, whom the armour shold belong to. Odysseus won with the help of Athena, who also clouded Ajax' mind, forcing him into slaughtering a lot of lifestock (whom he believed were the Achaean leaders according to some interpretations.) Shamed by this, Ajax commited suicide by his own sword. Later, when Odysseus visits the Underworld, he meets Ajax' soul and regrets about his victory, losing such a great warrior. However Ajax is still offended and won't speak to him...
That is wrong, Ajax never gets wounded in any battle. He actually fights Hector, but the fight is stopped by the gods when the night falls, it is declared a draw, and the two men exchange gift as a sign of respect towards another.
@DAVO CAMPBELL A lot of the details probably are. But mythology defines cultures. Multiple people wrote of Troy and the heroes in it and they believe they know where Troy was located now as well
I never knew why I admired Hector. He was total ideal or a symbol... Now, after many years I know - he always had something to fight for. This is what I miss. .
The way they choreographed this fight was excellent. The weight of that warhammer felt real and dangerous. Even for a man that big he was slow but extremely powerful. I wish hollywood still gave a shit like they used to. Unless it's Quinton or Scorsese
I love how this comment section is full of people with no knowledge about Ancient Greek society or the Iliad, but still want to judge the characters and the plot thinking that this film is the Iliad itself. No, the Iliad is not about the fall of Troy, it is about Achilles' anger (as the very first line states) and the core content of the poem is the difference between Hector, who is a grown man, kills to protect his city, a good father and the true hero, and Achilles, an immature boy who likes killing for the pleasure of it and doesn't care about his son (yes, he has a son). In the end, after killing Hector, Achilles understands what it means to be a man while talking to Priam; that's the true message of the story.
INCORRECT The Illiad is about Héctor. Aquilles is a crybaby who only appears in five chapters, while Héctor is the man who defends his land and family. The Iliad finish with Hector's funeral. Héctor, Tamer of Horses
When I was a kid, I admired Achilles for obvious reasons(cool, powerful, can kill many enemies alone with ease, etc) but as an adult, I definitely admire Hector more. There were a lot of fights where it's clearly an uphill fight, and he still marches on with no fear. Even when He knows he will die when fighting Achilles, he still confronts him.
read the actual illiad from which this is based..... all the heroes are heroes there is so much character development and intrigue. its a great book. right up there with beowulf in terms of masculine epics.
I've always been a Hector fan, even back then. He was just sucked into all this shit. His stupid brother was the cause for all this, then he fought someone who looked like Achilles only to find out afterwards he was not but that only raised Achilles' anger.
Hector was a successful leader, incorruptible, set aside his ego, stood on his morals and had a beautiful wife. Achilles couldn’t be reasoned with, would (and could) kill anyone that opposed him and had three women in his bed every night. It’s interesting our logic wants us to be the former.. but deep down… we all want to be the latter
Ajax was not killed by Hector, and could not have been killed by him : apart from Achilles, Ajax was the only other immortal on the battle field of Troy, he could not be killed by anyone (but himself). In Homer's Iliad, Ajax at first gets the better of the encounter, wounding Hector with his spear and knocking him down with a large stone, but Hector fights on... Until the heralds, acting at the direction of Zeus, call a draw: the action ends without a winner and with the two combatants exchanging gifts, Ajax giving Hector a purple sash and Hector giving Ajax a sharp sword. (from Wikipedia) The second fight between Ajax and Hector occurs when the latter breaks into the Mycenaean camp, and fights with the Greeks among the ships. In Book 14, Ajax throws a giant rock at Hector which almost kills him. In Book 15, Hector is restored to his strength by Apollo and returns to attack the ships. Ajax, wielding an enormous spear as a weapon and leaping from ship to ship, holds off the Trojan armies virtually single-handedly. In Book 16, Hector and Ajax duel once again. Hector is set on burning the ships, the only way he feels the Greeks will truly be defeated. Hector is able to disarm Ajax (although Ajax is not hurt) and Ajax is forced to retreat, seeing that Zeus is clearly favoring Hector. Hector and the Trojans succeed in burning one Greek ship, the culmination of an assault that almost finishes the war. Ajax is responsible for the death of many Trojans lords, including Phorcys. Ajax often fought in tandem with his brother Teucer, known for his skill with the bow. Ajax would wield his magnificent shield, as Teucer stood behind picking off enemy Trojans. It's later, after a dispute for Achille's magical armor with Odysseus, that Ajax suicides himself (after Athena influences Agamemnon to award Achille's gear to Odysseus).
HawkFest RoG You're an idiot. Both of them were mortals. Them being "demigods" was just a myth because of how great warriors they were. However Achillies was far superior to Ajax in combat skills, therefore he could have been killed by Hector.
Lewis Nostredame I think you are confused with his understanding of this. Hawkfest probably thinks this whole story and all these characters are a myth or a fantasy - like Lord of the Rings. None of those characters - Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, Sauron, etc, were real. So what he's saying doesnt make him an idiot who believes that achilles and Ajax were real people who were actually immortal. I'm sure nobody is dumb enough to think that. This was just some illiad written by someone and these characters were part of it, and in this fantasy story, Ajax and Achilles were both immortal, just like in lotr, Gandalf was some kind of demigod sent from some place in the heavens to guide the people of middle earth.
Lewis Nostredame , if someone has to be an idiot it would be you : this Illiad story is not «historical facts», it's a mythical romance by itself, including Achilles, Hercules, Ajax, Odysseus and such! Who made you believe that any of this Iliad story really happened? Do you know anything about Homer? FYI he was like the Tolkien of his era (who's story was then expanded by other authors so that it spans over 3-4 era).
HawkFest RoG You're contradicting yourself completely. First you assurred that Ajax could not have been killed by Hector. Now you're assuming that not of them could've even existed. Besides that, you now change the subject to other warriors. You're an idiot.
Everyone is giving his or her opinion of each warrior's fighting prowess. But Homer provides us with a ranking if you read between the lines of his writing. I'm basing the following on Homer not on Brad Pitt's flawed movie. FIRST TIER: (supernatural) Achilles. Achilles is in a league of his own. In one way, he is like the incredible Hulk in that the angrier he gets the deadlier he gets. He doesn't have super strength but rather invulnerability in battle. When pissed off, he goes berserk. When you combine his hot temper with being impervious to attack (except in his heel) it is no wonder that the Trojans run from him. SECOND TIER: (extraordinary) Diomedes, Ajax, Hector, Odysseus. These four are as formidable as warriors can get without having supernatural ability. Some argue that Diomedes is the 2nd best fighter after Achilles. others say it is Ajax (who like Achilles had a ferocious temper). Hector briefly faces off against Diomedes but it's a draw. Hector also has a duel with Ajax but again it's inconclusive. Ajax has a wrestling match with Odysseus. Even though Ajax is taller and has a longer reach, Odysseus is pretty strong and the match is also a draw. Conclusion: Homer indicates in so many words that these four heroes are more or less equal in fighting ability. THIRD TIER: (above average) Aeneas, Patroklos, Ajax (the lesser) Menelaus. Aeneas is an excellent fighter but not quite a match for anyone in the above tier. At different times, he is almost killed by Diomedes and Achilles and just barely escapes. He is a much deadlier fighter in Virgil's book than he is in the Illiad. That indicates that he either became a more proficient warrior with time or that he had more ferocious opponents during the Trojan war. Patroklos was also an excellent fighter but not a match for Hector. Ajax (the lesser) was not as strong as the bigger Ajax but he was excellent with a lance and with a bow and arrow. Menelaus killed 8 men and almost killed Paris so he's no cream puff either. FOURTH TIER: (average) Paris, Troilus. These two are only average fighters. That is not to say that they were wimps. Just not exceptional. Paris true skills were in the bedroom. He was a lover not a fighter. But although he was only average in sword fighting, he was a damn good archer. And almost as cunning as Odysseus. As for Troilus, there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about him. He has the same problem as Paris. He thinks too much of love to be a great fighter. Cannot take his mind off of Criseyde.
toussaintf1 I think you have got it together quite well. However didn't Diomedes almost kill Hector twice, being prevented from doing so the first time only by Zeus, and the second time when Paris shot him in the foot? And wasn't he described by Helenus the seer as "the mightiest of the Greeks", "unrivaled in power", even above Achilles? Didn't he also beat Ajax during Patroclus' funeral games? And wounded both the god of war and the goddess of love with Athena's aid? It's truly a pity that he was rarely mentioned in any adaptation of Troy. Although I guess Homer himself did say that after Achilles, Ajax was the mightiest fighting man ;)
John Huang Homer praised everyone. Ajax was the mightiest because for those ages he was tall (probably 6 foot and maybe shorter). Homer mentions in a rhapsody that Ajax was the second best and sometimes mentions in another rhapsody that Hector or Diomedes were the second best. Only Achilles as a fighter was above everyone.
Prince Hector, - the bravest soldier ever, - Confronted, Fought & defeated the mightiest .... only beaten by Achilles, who was protected by the gods, - he knew it, but still fought him, knowing he would be killed ... BRAVE Hector .... greatest Hero of all time ...
That's what I thought.. Had to look through the comments to see if anyone commented before I ..Ajax is totally a young Robert..even the weapon of choice..size... beard..Hector though go lucky. Had that shield not been there or the spear or the sword..he wouldve lost..love the comparison though..that why I like got.. A mix of many mythology's
+ferleal24..I love that Odysseus is Sean bean..and idk his name but jeor mormont is a advisor on Troy's side..there are alot of actors in this that are or were big in thrones ...that's what i miss in thrones is a character that could be a Achilles types character..so far there are none...also...I'd love to see some Conan the barbarian story thrown in(Arnold version)...also there has only been 1 asain person on the show and there is indeed a imperial china like race east coast of essos ...you know there is some hitori hanzo level katana blades and another mythology to add to the list
I like how the heroes are depicted in a somewhat realistic manner. Ajax, Hector of Troy, Achilles... They are humans, no magic bullshit, but they are just superior in some aspects, that could make people talk of them in such a manner that they become legend with time. Ajax is just a huge dude, I am pretty sure monsters of men like that did bring terror to battefields back then. Hector is just a strong, technical and courageous man with a lot of experience. Achille is a little OP, but maybe he could have been the mike tyson of his age. Someone who is just good at what he is doing. You see that a lot in warfare and fighting sports. Every man can fight and learn how to fight, but some people just have it in their blood
You didn't mention that Achilles had the heart of gods, how could he fought and killed hector at the wall, he single-handedly brought more fear to the Troyan much more than the whole greece Army. This man is a beastly inhuman personalty, even his king was afraid of him
@@shepherdolumideowoh7920 I think you missed the original point. The movie goes for a more "human" depiction of the heroes, instead of the more mythological version we are accustomed to.
You can compare this movie to the graphic novel/film 300. That treated history (the battle of Thermopylae) as though it were myth. The movie Troy treats myth as though it were history.
I like how the Trojans shields are reminiscent of the future Romans shields as according to roman legend they descended from Prince Aeneas and survivors from Troy :D. They even mentioned it at the end of the film as well
@@antigonus1161 they were neighbours of the greeks, and the roman's main tatics to conquer lands without rebellion is to add the conquered country's culture to their own if they resemble a lot
Did anybody know that Ajax didnt die in a battle in the Greek mythology. He killed himself with a sword after he lost achilleus armor and sword to Odysseus.
@@the_dropbear4392 Yeah, as Ajax is the grandson of Zeus. Ajax also would jump ship from ship as he was so strong and kill the people on board each one just to do it again many times over, it's depressing however how they did him in this flim. I prefer the actual mythology. People usually mistake this one for the lesser Ajax but this is Hollywood's take on Ajax the immortal.
Hector is the hero of this movie. The story literally consists in Achilles gradually learning compassion, humanity and true heroism from him and his family (Briseis and Priam), so when his death finally comes he’s no longer a glory hound, but an actual hero.
Achilles was a demigod who took his craft very seriously, though he was literally *given* all of his skills. Hector was a true hero. Hector got it out of the dirt.
@@lightningrain3114 You can't have best of the courage without a feelings which give it a powerful fuel to let it last more. How one can become great without a flaws or a sacrifice?
Achilles was also a true hero. Talent without skill is nothing - Achilles was gifted as an immortal, but he was also the greatest warrior of the Trojan War. Being immortal in Greek mythology did not inherently mean you were extremely strong. For most heroes such as Heracles, it was in fact the bloodline of the gods that gave them both immortality and strength. However, immortality did not inherently mean they were superior to the rest - Theseus, despite being immortal due to being the son of Poseidon, nonetheless had to make heavy efforts to even hold a candle to Heracles. And even then, he was so far away from ever being as great.
FOLKFIDDLER14 & we must always trust what is written in a book right? The Trojans were defeated & then scattered. I keep on hearing over & over again in various parts of the internet that they became the Etruscan aka THE ROMANS.
Michael Groesbeck The Illiad was an epic poem written years after the fact but if Hollywood is going to do a movie based on the work, it should remain true to it. Mr. Groesbeck, I get the feeling that you are one of those people who is just a chronic arguer and likes to be contrary.
That is my favorite scene from the movie, and also in my honest opinion it is the best scene from the movie. Very beautiful and nice fight and battle scene. Greece forever 🏺 🔱 🇬🇷 I am very proud that I'm a Greek 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷
***** Don't get me started. I really enjoyed the movie but there were SO many things that were wrong or left out from the original story. Just the fact that King Agamemnon dies at Troy. He survived and made it back home, only to be killed by his wife and her lover. Still a cool flick!
bcgroi lol honestly it happens like atleast twice in the movie everyone is in complete mayhem then all of a sudden there is a perfect circle of people watching.. like aren't you a tiny bit distracted by the certain death around you?
Everyone was dying to see that fight between them two and the fight between Achilles and Hector. They were ALL like fuck fighting each other for a minute, I wanna see this shit.
When Homer wrote this, Ajax was not beaten nor killed by Hector. Ajax killed himself because Diomedes was chosen to fight Hector. Actually, Diomedes also had beaten Hector.
"La locura de Ayax", "the Ajax madness", is a beautiful mithological reflexion about the madness sought with ancient eyes, like the theatre play "Hercules furens" by Seneca. La locura se va presentando como infundida por los dioses, además de los típicos pecados que castigaban los griegos en las obras, como la soberbia en Aracne. Y así vamos pasando a la locura del mundo descrita en "Elogio de la locura" "Stultitiae laus" de Erasmo de Rotterdan y podemos ver luego a don Quijote atacando rebaños como hizo Ayax. Y se cierra el ciclo.
To be or not too beer. Too much sanity may be madness - and maddest of all: to see life as it is, and not as it should be! Dale Wasserman, Man of La Mancha
Just so you know, in reality no one ever killed Ajax. He had a dual with Hector during the war for a long time but it was a drew. They couldn't hurt each other. Ajax went mad toward the end of the war and fell on his own spear. Either suicide or just a moment of madness. War can make men mad. It was a 10 year war. (Imagine having PTSD after 1 year and keep fighting for another 9 with it). It was a long time after they lost Achilles. He never made it back to Greece. He was older than Achilles by a couple of years, trained with him at childhood, and received the same education. It was just Ajax and Achilles. No other kids were there. They were taught by the same man. Forgot his name. Ajax was a giant. Even as a kid, he was bigger than anyone else. He was born to the world he lived in, and tried his best to be the best version of himself. May he rest in peace.
@@mohamedmusthafa4359 That's one opinion. I personally doubt that those names echo through generations for thousands of years just because they're stories. Many unwritten stories were told over time throughout the existence of mankind. None of them are still here, still echoing so strongly in our souls like the stories of the Trojan war and Leonidas and the 300. I believe them to be real events. The magnitude of the events is the speculative part in my opinion.
@@Natures_Symmetry However, it counts that the myth has been transmitted and then modified orally for centuries and even when it was transcribed it was modified even later in favor of the Achaeans in particular, personally to me the myth I don't like it so much I find it too biased in favor of the Achaeans who have the strongest, fairest, most noble heroes ... Elena herself is described as a woman who deeply loved Menelaus, but on the other hand, the winners always write history ...
The film doesnt make it clear but Ajax is actually a very important character in Greek mythology. He was very near invincible and was also close to Achilles, which is why Achilles was so angry at Ajax's defeat. Hector was really second only to Achilles in combat skill. The movie portrays him as somewhat of a weakling, when he really wasn't. Achilles was unable to be seriously harmed except upon his "achilles" heel.
Finally someone acknowledges Hector's skill. I'm tired of the comments like Hector was no where near Achilles, Achilles could have killed him by one shot etc. Seriously Hector was way more badass in the books. And although Eric Bana did an excellent job they somehow made Hector's movements clumsy to depict him as a less fine warrior.
I believe you are underestimating the skill of both Hector and Ajax. There was nothing clumsy about Hector in his duel with Achilles, his skill was exceptional. He was just pitted against a godlike fighter. While Ajax wasn't just a brute, he fought quite cleverly and manhandled Hector for most of their fight.
Ajax was a frikking Dreadnought on that battlefield! He just wreacked havoc! Hector bárely defeated him as Ajax was just só incredibly powerful! Un-intimidable, unmatched! Yet he took him down!
Hector defeating low-budget Goliath in front of his dad & wife is a massive flex for real🥳🎉Achilles was indeed a great warrior but Hector takes the crown of being a leader & level headed man
This movie is straight butchery. Hector is one of the greatest mortals to ever walk the Earth, whoever wrote this movie really didn't do him any justice.
The movie's full of bullshit, this being just one example: Ajax survived the war and ended up committing suicide when he wasn't given Achilles armor after his death.
@@chrishargreaves8016 That was during the war though, before the fall of Troy, Achilles actually died on the battlefield, not during the sacking, as did Paris.
Ajax was a real hero in this movie. Strong as an Uruk Hai and brave as a lion. When I was little kid the first time I saw the movie I felt the smell of the blood...
***** Have you ever heard about the Laws of War that Ancient greeks had established? every greek city,town,village,lord,and man was respecting them! Greeks were so smart that were able to control war via laws! These laws were broken during the Pelopponisian war!
The movie Troy is actually about what the ideal type of man should and shouldn't look like 1) The ideal man -> Achilles, Hector, Odysseus -> Strength, respect, honor, humility, loyalty, wisdom -> They fight and defend their ideals and goodness 2) Toxic man -> Agamemnon -> alcoholic, arrogant, takes women as slaves, wretched 3) Weak and pathetic man -> Paris -> Takes another man's wife, lets others fight for him, doesn't stand up for his own opinions, can't face anything
No. That is a terrible modern simplification and in parts plain wrong if you look at the Iliad itself and the movie. Achilles chases glory and is revengeful. So much so that he ignores the ancient customs how to treat the fallen with respect. Paris of the movie is much weaker than Homer portraits him. In the Iliad he is still a hero and superior to common man in strength and skill. And Odysseus is devious, at least sometimes.
Don't know if i would put Achilles in the first category. He doesn't particularly have any loyalty to anyone other than maybe his cousin. He definitely doesn't have respect or Humility. He defiles a temple and murders the priests inside in the start of the battles. He violates a corpse for days until Hector's father comes up and begs him to give the body back.
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Any last words?
Ajax: before i die, please name a cleaning detergent for my honor.
You mean francis
And it’s got to be the strongest detergent.
Aaah hahahah! Exactly my thought. Thanx dude. :-D
underrated
Oh Americans, whole other world when heard word Ajax except this one think about AJAX Amsterdam
Not a cellphone in sight. Just people living in the moment
Clyde Church and dying
Hamsterbuns Tv with living being requisite for death. As if cell phone users don’t die.
Ok boomer
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Clyde Mustang fucken lol
Fun facts:
- Ajax and Achilles were cousins.
- Ajax fought Hector in a Duel, twice. And in both occasions were draw. After the first duel they exchange gifts and Ajax got Hector's sword.
- Ajax was more of a Defensive warrior. He single handily defended many Troyans attacks to burn Greek Ships.
- Ajax fights with a great shield and he throw big rocks. One of them almost killed Hector... He did not use a warhammer (which is waaay cooler)
- Ajax fights with his younger brother who is proficient with a bow and covers Ajax.
- Ajax survived the Troyan war and he is the one who retrieved the dead body of Achilles and brought him home.
- Achilles possesses a magic armor which many warrior wanted. Ajax should get the armor but Odysseus was a better orator and convince the gods to give him the armor.
- Ajax got so mad with shame that he killed himself with hector sword over Achilles armor.
- Ajax turns into a household detergent. lol
Tefkros the son of Telamon, heir of the throne of Salamis, the most skillful bowman of the Trojan war was the older brother of Ajax. After the war he was punished from his father, because he had promised him to protect his younger brother. He was expelled from Salamis because Ajax committed suicide. After an oracle of Delphi he went to the southeastern coast of Cyprus where he built the Kingdom of Salamis after his homeland
@Dan Lumo it's not history it's mythology
The Gods cursed him because of his actions that caused outraged the Gods that they decided to make him a brand of household detergent. 😭😭
Glad to see this comment. The whole movie while entertaining is riddled with inaccuracies. Menelaus dies in the movie but in the book he returns home. Agamemnon survives the war but is later murdered by his wife on the return home. You cover Ajax and Hector well. And then in the fight against Achilles and Hector I love the way they spice it up in the movie but it takes away from Achilles cuz in the book Achilles kills him pretty quickly, it was lent that the two fighters were close, nobody was anywhere near the skill of Achilles. They also totally don’t even have Diomedes in the film but he’s a total badass in the book.
@Dan Lumo I mean I wouldn’t call it history but I get what you’re saying. At the end of the day they have to make the story screen friendly and while for example in the context of the book, Achilles killing Hector is dramatic, that scene written strictly off the book would be very underwhelming on screen so I get it, that’s why I prefaced my comment by mentioning that the movie is entertaining albeit inaccurate.
2:06 I love this shot of Priam. You can just see the overwhelming pride/love he has for his eldest son. As always, Peter O'Toole does such a great job in his role
If that was my son I would be on the battlefield side by side
@@DimitriTheBarbarianbased
Igual Aquiles ya se lo cogio :V
Well you have to give the poor man a compensation to balance the shame that is Paris .
Apparently he was a bit of a pest on set, and constantly drunk.
you know you're a badass when you beat someone down with the spear they just stabbed you with.
Too true.
Haha. Ikr.
...Or just too strong.
I love how the only reason Ajax actually didn't finish Hector, was the life bled out of him. He was strangling and lifting the Prince, whilst being stabbed by the sword. He's like 'Bitch, I'mma get you.'
"For Odin gives wrath, the burning courage which scorns deadly wounds. Such is the divine fury."
Man I was searching for Ajax vs Real Madrid and I ended up here😂
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it sure was better right?🤣🤣
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Hector remains in the annals of history. The real hero. Never unjust. A great prince, a humble son, a caring brother, a visionary philosopher who could see through the superstition of the priests, a caring husband who guides his wife about the ways to safe passage. And above all a true warrior... tired, wounded, yet accepting the duel with energetic & fresh Achilles knowing well he was bound to lose his life. Salute you Hector.
Couldn't help reading it as anals
blue lining 😂
Read the Iliad. He's semi decent, but nothing like the hero they've made him out to be in the movie.
You should read the Illiad not just the hollywood movie.
@CAESER AUGUSTUS he was resting because of the curse of the river Styx, he granted semi immortality, at the cost of huge fatigue after his movements, he was never fully "rested"
It's amazing that hector wasn't slowed down by the sheer weight of his steel balls. Bravest man in the two armies.
In the original poem he was a coward
@@smallville4351 No, he wasn't. He fled from Achilles when filled with fear from Apollo, but then turned and faced him. He actually dodged Achilles first spear and charged straight at him despite Athena returning the spear to Achilles' hand. Dude was a beast and a true hero.
Thats why he started on the horse, otherwise he never would have made it to the fight
@@pietrpiepir6444 True
@@pietrpiepir6444 a hero? More like a coward
supposely Hector was the only man on the battlefield that could fight Ajax 1on 1 and he didn't hesitate, what a hero
Yes but Ajax was actually said to have committed suicide, not died in battle
the story goes they fought to a draw and gave eachother gifts out of respect.
Yes originally ajax just suicide after kill all his friend who were transform in sheep by Athena
@@poulsdpoulsd6593 no, he wanted to kill all the other kings of the Argive host, but Athena wasn't having any of it and so blinded him, making him think he was killing the other leaders. when he woke up the next morning, he found himself among the carcasses of sheep. and then he killed himself out of shame
@@Anonymous8830 ho yeah sorry you'r right now that I check the story I remember
0:30 Just look how Hector went in to protect that soldier. Now that's a leader worth following.
Bet be offered his ass to him that night in gratitude
I won't follow a leader whose brother brought war to me
@@shazamsakazaki It's not his fault.
@@shazamsakazaki don't be petty
Too bad they all watched him get killed the next day.
Well, at least Ajax will live on forever as a cleaning brand... May he always be in our cabinets.
Lmao.
Ha ha ha! I laughed pretty fucking hard at that comment!
Don't listen to him....I mean how scary can he be, with a name like Francis...
DunkdaHunk Ha, I was thinking of that too.
Did you mean Francis ? :D :D :D
When I was a boy, I cheered blindly for Achilles, with his flowing hair and flashy moves.
As a man, I cannot help but admire the resolve of Prince Hector of Troy. To embody such prowess of self, is a feat more legendary than even the combative skills of the man who slew him.
Truly Hector is my favourite character as well! I never read the Iliad... But based on this movie, he's the best character IMO👍🏾
As a boy, I idolized Achilles.
As a man, I idolize Achilles.
Hector was an idiot who sacrificed himself for others.
@@Alvin_Vivian Eventually, you'll come to realise that you're still a boy.
@@Alvin_Vivian You idolise the man that happily prayed for his comrades to be slaughtered so everybody would know how important he was to him? Bit weird
@@Alvin_Vivian your mentality is still immature. Entire time Achilles was just fighting for himself
it must be one of the most satisfying things in the world to challenge and defeat a man who's twice your size while your whole country and your wife are watching you.
@@snyggmikael you must be so good at the parties.
@@snyggmikael what, at least i tried, you? You are just ruining people's jokes my friend
@@snyggmikael yes you are a joke now go play with the kids
@@snyggmikael you figured it out! Im a child because of my anime profile picture. Im impressed, i'll throw you a medal
@@snyggmikael Lol you fail horribly. Run along now, junior. 😂
Now 3,000 years later ajax has a soccer team named after him. Not bad
Not to mention a series of web programming techniques.
And the cleaning brand from colgate :)
Fairly,Ajax was one of the most brave warriors of the Troyan war,there is a Greek team in this hero's land,which was an island close to Athens.
And a Cruiser
As well as babylon!
0:26 ONE CAMERA LEFT XD
Nice catch!!
Woowh!! Ahahah..!
ROFL how did that get missed
@@JJvideoman maybe that camera man was a time traveler.. 😂, travels to the time of the Trojan War.. (joke)
Well İdk.. 🙄🤔
This is a massive production. How the heck they still left some mistakes like this lol
They should've stuck with the original story - Hector doesn't kill Ajax, they fight to a brutal draw and each earn the other's respect. Still a great scene though.
Agreed
A draw and mutual respect is not exactly what the crowd expects from Hollywood.
Lol. We would of been there for hours if we saw the aftermath of him and Odysseus squabbling over Achilles armor.
@@philofthesouth6019 - haha true, but I'd be up for it!
in the original story Ajax ends up shamed and kills himself. I prefer this version, at least here he died in battle fighting another hero, and not falling to his own sword.
Ajax vs Boagrius wouldve been one hell of a fight.
jon ho Ajax would have won with no effort.
Nathan Jones vs Tyler Mane? Fuck yes.
Ajax vs Tormund Giantsbane and The Hound.
Ajax vs Michael Myers
jon ho Ajax vs Manchester United
2:00
Hector kills Ajax
Judges:
Hector's wife: 10
King Priam: 10
Achilles: eh... 6
Lmao hard to impress achilies
Looooollllaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!! 😂🤣
Lol!
Beh it's a 6 it's a sufficient lol
More like a 4 frankly
Nobody has said a single word about Sean Bean not dying on this movie!!! he finally live to tell a tale!!!
Holy crap, you're right lol...that guy dies in everything he's in
but look at what his character went thru after lol
And he didn't die in national treasure, but got arrested 🤣😂
He also went through the Odyssey without dying...offscreen of course.😅
Because, the Trojans didn't have a Joffrey.
Helen after watching Hector: "Wrong brother."
Helen was blown out and from the streets. Young Paris was a total Cuck
Not really. Giving Paris some time to grow, we will get Legolas 😂
@@phuongvu527Legolas grew to become Paris😂😂😂😂😂
@@prashant-bm4fp that would be degrade
@@phuongvu527 What can I do? LOTR came in 2001 and Troy in 2004🤣🤣🤣🤣
Achilles was thinking “damn do i have to handle everything around here?” 😂😂😂
I wouldn't blame him lol. Achilles is basically just a weapon for the Greeks. The only person that respected Achilles was odysseus
@@kennylindsay268 what about myrmidons? a.k.a Achilles's boys
@@user-nq3vs2ev4w true fair point. But literally achilles was the only person who actually turned the tide of the war.
Incorrect, he was sad to see his friend die.
@@kennylindsay268 I think Patroclus respected him too. I might hav butchered his name by accident sorry.
When Ajax realizes that he's playing against Juventus in the Champions League.
EDIT: Ajax seemed to finally lift the curse of taking Ls against Juve, but historically speaking the latter has more dubs.
+Jefferson Moordenaar Ajax Amsterdam
lol
And first Anatolian National Hero. So real Hero not a demi-god like Achilius
I mean like come on, Hector's hair *does* resemble Baggio in many aspects.
At least, Madrid are killed by Ajax
Achilles be like "Sigh, now I have to handle this shit" XD
And he managed to do it in One fight, by taking out Hector, the best protector of the Trojans.
To be fair, Hector had been fighting the Greeks every since they landed. Achilles only had one battle and that was when he and his men first arrived. Not to make excuses but Hector was tired and bartered from the earlier battles.
Hector had a Long night to rest up...and as you said, Achilies hadn't been fighting in a while...so technically, he should have been in lest physical shape to meet Hector, who (as you say) had been fighting greeks constantly.
Just goes to show that Achiles, even when resting, was Vastly more skilled than Hector!
Lol Hector was the most skilled warrior. But Achiles have gods in his family, he have supernatural everything.
Undriel Grenger Hector was not mentally prepared for Achilles. He had just killed his cousin which in the Illiad was his lover. He was stressed and troubled about that. In addition like I said before he was tired and fatigued from previous fights. One night of rest was not going to make up for all that. Achilles was a gifted born killer. It didnt matter for him whether he hadn't fought in a month he was always ready to go. He is damn near a war God. The fight between the two would have been more of a challenge for Achilles had it happened at their first meeting at Apolos temple when Hector was eager to battle him. It would have been even more of a challenge if the person in his armor was really Achilles when his cousin was killed.
It was not gifted immortals like Achilles , it was honorable , brave men like Hector who deserve the ultimate respect...
Yeah, no. Heracles was also immortal, yet he has done far greater feats that Hector and Achilles combined.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Hercules is a God lol
@@davide_6 He was an immortal before he was made a god.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Hercules was a son of Zeus, that's about as OP as it's possible to be in Greek mythology. Hector was just a bloke who was incredibly skilled in combat.
History goes to the victor
Ajax had high HP indeed
Hacker.
Max Payne he probably afk farmed for 30 mins
Stephan Gels That must be it. Although I think his damage was boosted too.
FeedMoreNoobs If he bought a thornmail he would have survived those basic attacks while returning dmg to Hector. The other option is to buy a warden's mail to slow hector's attack speed which was quite high as it was.
FeedMoreNoobs That means that he's Sion, right?
I love how Ajax punches Hector even though he got stabbed through the gut.Then he proceeds to break the spear in half as blood gushes out of his mouth and beat him with it with the other half still in him XD
What a badass.
Abraham Lincoln in mythology Ajax was a warrior who didn’t feel any pain, that’s why he was so hard to get shocked with a hit)
Abraham Lincoln rip Ajax who clearly isn’t achilles
Ajax was a BEAST OF A MAN!
Hardcore. They might have been good friends under different circumstances.
Badass is exactly what I thought. There’s really nothing more badass you could do than exactly that.
I love that Hector 'Tamer of horses' protected his troops once he saw they were being outmatched.
That's what any person in charge of the army should do.
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Long time after watching the movie, I understood that Hector was the noblest man in the entire saga...A man who has to face everything for the sake of his family and country... ❤️❤️
I love how it isn't over-emphasized that the people around them are watching them, the battle rages on despite these two fighting, but then when Ajax finally falls, a huge cheer erupts from the trojan soldiers. It's uplifting without being cheesy.
A lot of people are saying this scene is bullshit because when Hector and Ajax fought in the Illiad it was actually Ajax who dished out the worst of it, although the fight lasted all day without a foreseeable end in sight so it was called off come nightfall and ruled a draw, with both fighters imparting a gift to each other out of respect.
However, a lot of you seem to forget that Hector and Ajax actually fought twice in the Illiad, and their second fight took place during a battle between the Trojans and the Greeks - much like you see here. Their second fight was fierce and largely a stalemate - much like you see here. However, in the Illiad, Hector did eventually get the best of Ajax by breaking his spear - much like you see Hector eventually best Ajax here except he kills him instead of disarming him. In the Illiad, Ajax called a retreat after being disarmed since he couldn't fight Hector bare handed and his men were being mowed down by Troy's archers.
I'm pretty sure this scene is based on their second fight and while it may still not be 100% inaccurate, it makes a lot more sense when you look at it this way.
I was thinking the same thing
Sure you were
in a nutshell and without going crazy over grammar and details, after the second fight ajhax is disarmed yet unscathed and ajax makes it home, as does the armor of Achilles, which is put up as a prize for the victor of a tournament ajax loses, which afterward he goes crazy, slaughters a bunch of sheep and then falls on his sword and kills himself, he is considered to have had ptsd
You may be right but I regardless, I will now masturbate while wearing a pig mask.
No, they actually fought thrice in the Iliad, and the only time Hector got close to winning was when he was aided immensely by Zeus himself.
In their first duel, which both the Achaeans and Trojans beheld without interfering since it was an arranged one on one battle, Ajax and Hector were ultimately interrupted before they could swing swords at each other but it was Ajax that wounded Hector with his spear prior to all that, not vice versa.
In their second duel at the Achaean ships, Ajax knocked Hector unconscious with a big rock and Trojans had to carry him away from the field of battle in order to save him from being finished off.
When Hector finally woke up after all that mess, Apollo, on the orders of Zeus, bestowed him with an indomitable strength which he used to get the upper hand in their third encounter - the one you mentioned.
You're welcome.
2:07 When your Dad sees you score a goal in 2nd Grade Rec Soccer...
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*football
More like when you crap your pants and you are already committed so you just sit there and make that face
2:12 for me
The beauty of this scene is that is reveals just what a great leader Hector was. He sees a villain killing his people and he decides to take the responsibility to personality stop this villain instead of hiding at the back.
Meanwhile his disgrace of a brother is being a coward
He certainly did stop it personality…
Joe Biden incarnate
Nah it's more about strategy and less about ethics. Ajax was advancing his front and plummeting Trojan morale, Hector literally reversed both
Iliad: Lots were drawn amongst the Achaean heroes, and Ajax the Great was thus chosen to face Hector. The battle between the two great warriors began at dawn, and lasted through until dusk.
Neither Ajax nor Hector could gain the upper hand in the fight though, and eventually heralds called an end to hostility, at which point the two heroes exchanged gifts, Ajax presenting Hector with a sword belt, and Hector giving Ajax a sword.
Hollywood:
The irony is that Achilles used this sword belt to tie Hector and drag him all the way back to the Greek camp after he killed him.
When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Well, I mean by our modern movie standards, it would be silly to do a fight in the manner that Homer (or whoever actually wrote the Iliad) presented it. I mean just imagine them spending like half an hour of movie on a fight, just to then both of the fighters be like: "Hey man, it's like the dusk. Shall we call the day? It was a good fight. Here, have some gifts. See ya tomorrow." It would be silly, wouldn't it?
@@justinian-the-great It was either accuracy or not but then again this is modern retelling with "what if the gods didn't interfere with the trojan war"
Thank you for posting this.
What makes this scene kind of funny in the Iliad is that both of them actually survive this fight, the duel having been called off by Zeus, and then later send each other gifts as a pact of friendship. I can't help but find that both hilarious and a little admirable. It's like "Hey, you did a very good job at trying to kill me, here's some gifts, let's be bros." I love Ancient Greek literature because it's just full of funny yet cool stuff like that.
True warriors will always respect a worthy opponent
It's kind of like guys. They can have a fist fight and 5 minute later sharing a drink in the bar being the best of friends.
Real recognize real
Ah, at last. Someone who has actually read the Iliad.
later Ajax yeeted a rock at him, almost killing him
Ajax can't die! He needs to go on adventures with Arkantos!
whowantsabighug yup in aom 1
Thank you for the memories :(
prostagma??
Loved that game as a kid
@@georgeharrison4173 neh !!
I always loved the showcase of reactions starting from 2:04.
Andromache: relief and joy that her husband is still alive and has triumphed.
Priam: undescribably pride and joy at the great feat of his son, defeating such a monster of a warrior.
Achilles: utterly pissed to see a good friend, Ajax, die on a pointless war for the ambition of a strategic moron, Agamemnon (who basically sent the army to die on that charge).
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Patroclus and Eudoros: Horror that the great Ajax had fallen, and looking to Achilles as if to say, "Surely now, you'll join the fight!"
One of my favorite parts of this scene
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In ancient Greek mythology, Hector did not kill Ajax, on the contrary Ajax survived the death of many and even took out the body of Achilles from Troy and gave the body to his mother for this Thetis thanked and gave the armor of Achilles to Ajax
@Tilbala Lumama why are you talking out of your ass?
Odyssey took the armor of Achilles, liar
Not quite that happened - after recovering Achilles' body, both Odysseus and Ajax argued, whom the armour shold belong to. Odysseus won with the help of Athena, who also clouded Ajax' mind, forcing him into slaughtering a lot of lifestock (whom he believed were the Achaean leaders according to some interpretations.) Shamed by this, Ajax commited suicide by his own sword. Later, when Odysseus visits the Underworld, he meets Ajax' soul and regrets about his victory, losing such a great warrior. However Ajax is still offended and won't speak to him...
@@Shagon89 perfect!
Then I guess homar was a real blind
The wife is such a good actor all her facial expressions are perfect
Always like Hector in this film. A true warrior and someone who just wanted peace
Hector was an inspiration and a great soldier great husband to his wife and a protector of his family!
And a fool for facing Achilles when he didn't had to
Greeks attack Troy.
Archers: "Free XP bois!"
Their shields were purely decorative, apparently
Hectos wife is soo adorable. Too bad she got captured in the real story
And raped by the man who killed her child
LaPlume Fugace Her child(baby) was tossed from the walls of Troy
Mitsos Pon By the son of Achille, Néoptolème. and had at least 3 children with him.
LaPlume Fugace I crie evrytim
real story?
That is wrong, Ajax never gets wounded in any battle.
He actually fights Hector, but the fight is stopped by the gods when the night falls, it is declared a draw, and the two men exchange gift as a sign of respect towards another.
You mean 'wrong' according to Greek scripture. Homer wrote the Illiad. And he was Greek. Hence a good degree of bias and over exaggeration
@@MrSRA13 You know this is fiction right?
And that there is no bias cause none of this ever happened
@@MrAbuse96 it's not fiction. It's Greek mythology. Big difference.
@DAVO CAMPBELL A lot of the details probably are. But mythology defines cultures. Multiple people wrote of Troy and the heroes in it and they believe they know where Troy was located now as well
@DAVO CAMPBELL 😂 the Prince comment made me chuckle
I never knew why I admired Hector. He was total ideal or a symbol...
Now, after many years I know - he always had something to fight for.
This is what I miss.
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The best part is where he snaps the spear in his midsection and hits hector on the back with it like a naughty step child lol
That action showed Ajax's contempt for the little man trying to kill him.
Ajax is such a badass in this movie. How he just snaps the spear when Hector stabs him. Like "I'm not finished with you just yet!"
The Braun Strowman of The Greeks!
@@waspinator5361 "Oh Hector... You should have realized... *I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!* "
And fucking beats hector with it. Like he was saying: BITCH ARE YOU KIDDING ME IM AJAX
He's 1000x GREATER in the actual story, he made Hector his bitch.
Ajax’s sheer Will was insane. That pure rage just looks so amazing when he breaks the spear shaft.
What a man! Hector is a man of the mission. You see he fought until the end. Great victory!🎉
The way they choreographed this fight was excellent. The weight of that warhammer felt real and dangerous. Even for a man that big he was slow but extremely powerful. I wish hollywood still gave a shit like they used to. Unless it's Quinton or Scorsese
you know someone's tough when after you stab them they break the weapon handle off and beat the shit out of you with it
And for that solely reason, he deserved to rip Hector's head off, fucking sissy pathetic trojan.
I love how this comment section is full of people with no knowledge about Ancient Greek society or the Iliad, but still want to judge the characters and the plot thinking that this film is the Iliad itself.
No, the Iliad is not about the fall of Troy, it is about Achilles' anger (as the very first line states) and the core content of the poem is the difference between Hector, who is a grown man, kills to protect his city, a good father and the true hero, and Achilles, an immature boy who likes killing for the pleasure of it and doesn't care about his son (yes, he has a son). In the end, after killing Hector, Achilles understands what it means to be a man while talking to Priam; that's the true message of the story.
Achilles is what men should be like. Hector is a weak man. The one writing this story is lame af
This ^
Bunch of liberal arts majors w/ UA-cam Phd's trying to seem smart
INCORRECT The Illiad is about Héctor. Aquilles is a crybaby who only appears in five chapters, while Héctor is the man who defends his land and family. The Iliad finish with Hector's funeral. Héctor, Tamer of Horses
Oh sorry, you are right and we agree, except on what the Iliad is about
When I was a kid, I admired Achilles for obvious reasons(cool, powerful, can kill many enemies alone with ease, etc)
but as an adult, I definitely admire Hector more. There were a lot of fights where it's clearly an uphill fight, and he still marches on with no fear. Even when He knows he will die when fighting Achilles, he still confronts him.
read the actual illiad from which this is based..... all the heroes are heroes there is so much character development and intrigue. its a great book. right up there with beowulf in terms of masculine epics.
Actually Hector was running from facing Achilles and briefly entertains the delusional hope of negotiating his way out of a duel.
I've always been a Hector fan, even back then. He was just sucked into all this shit. His stupid brother was the cause for all this, then he fought someone who looked like Achilles only to find out afterwards he was not but that only raised Achilles' anger.
Hector was a successful leader, incorruptible, set aside his ego, stood on his morals and had a beautiful wife.
Achilles couldn’t be reasoned with, would (and could) kill anyone that opposed him and had three women in his bed every night.
It’s interesting our logic wants us to be the former.. but deep down… we all want to be the latter
@@hanzflackshnack1158lis l'Iliade le film ne représente pas du tous le livre, tu serais étonné.
Achille est beaucoup plus complexe
The look hector father gave him been waiting my whole life for that
Ajax was not killed by Hector, and could not have been killed by him : apart from Achilles, Ajax was the only other immortal on the battle field of Troy, he could not be killed by anyone (but himself). In Homer's Iliad, Ajax at first gets the better of the encounter, wounding Hector with his spear and knocking him down with a large stone, but Hector fights on... Until the heralds, acting at the direction of Zeus, call a draw: the action ends without a winner and with the two combatants exchanging gifts, Ajax giving Hector a purple sash and Hector giving Ajax a sharp sword.
(from Wikipedia) The second fight between Ajax and Hector occurs when the latter breaks into the Mycenaean camp, and fights with the Greeks among the ships. In Book 14, Ajax throws a giant rock at Hector which almost kills him. In Book 15, Hector is restored to his strength by Apollo and returns to attack the ships. Ajax, wielding an enormous spear as a weapon and leaping from ship to ship, holds off the Trojan armies virtually single-handedly. In Book 16, Hector and Ajax duel once again. Hector is set on burning the ships, the only way he feels the Greeks will truly be defeated. Hector is able to disarm Ajax (although Ajax is not hurt) and Ajax is forced to retreat, seeing that Zeus is clearly favoring Hector. Hector and the Trojans succeed in burning one Greek ship, the culmination of an assault that almost finishes the war. Ajax is responsible for the death of many Trojans lords, including Phorcys. Ajax often fought in tandem with his brother Teucer, known for his skill with the bow. Ajax would wield his magnificent shield, as Teucer stood behind picking off enemy Trojans.
It's later, after a dispute for Achille's magical armor with Odysseus, that Ajax suicides himself (after Athena influences Agamemnon to award Achille's gear to Odysseus).
HawkFest RoG You're an idiot. Both of them were mortals. Them being "demigods" was just a myth because of how great warriors they were. However Achillies was far superior to Ajax in combat skills, therefore he could have been killed by Hector.
Lewis Nostredame I think you are confused with his understanding of this. Hawkfest probably thinks this whole story and all these characters are a myth or a fantasy - like Lord of the Rings. None of those characters - Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, Sauron, etc, were real. So what he's saying doesnt make him an idiot who believes that achilles and Ajax were real people who were actually immortal. I'm sure nobody is dumb enough to think that. This was just some illiad written by someone and these characters were part of it, and in this fantasy story, Ajax and Achilles were both immortal, just like in lotr, Gandalf was some kind of demigod sent from some place in the heavens to guide the people of middle earth.
Monkonmunky comparing Illias with LotR is not completely wrong but you should read Edda or Beowulf instead ;)
Lewis Nostredame , if someone has to be an idiot it would be you : this Illiad story is not «historical facts», it's a mythical romance by itself, including Achilles, Hercules, Ajax, Odysseus and such! Who made you believe that any of this Iliad story really happened?
Do you know anything about Homer? FYI he was like the Tolkien of his era (who's story was then expanded by other authors so that it spans over 3-4 era).
HawkFest RoG You're contradicting yourself completely. First you assurred that Ajax could not have been killed by Hector. Now you're assuming that not of them could've even existed. Besides that, you now change the subject to other warriors. You're an idiot.
Everyone is giving his or her opinion of each warrior's fighting prowess. But Homer provides us with a ranking if you read between the lines of his writing. I'm basing the following on Homer not on Brad Pitt's flawed movie.
FIRST TIER: (supernatural) Achilles. Achilles is in a league of his own. In one way, he is like the incredible Hulk in that the angrier he gets the deadlier he gets. He doesn't have super strength but rather invulnerability in battle. When pissed off, he goes berserk. When you combine his hot temper with being impervious to attack (except in his heel) it is no wonder that the Trojans run from him.
SECOND TIER: (extraordinary) Diomedes, Ajax, Hector, Odysseus. These four are as formidable as warriors can get without having supernatural ability. Some argue that Diomedes is the 2nd best fighter after Achilles. others say it is Ajax (who like Achilles had a ferocious temper). Hector briefly faces off against Diomedes but it's a draw. Hector also has a duel with Ajax but again it's inconclusive. Ajax has a wrestling match with Odysseus. Even though Ajax is taller and has a longer reach, Odysseus is pretty strong and the match is also a draw. Conclusion: Homer indicates in so many words that these four heroes are more or less equal in fighting ability.
THIRD TIER: (above average) Aeneas, Patroklos, Ajax (the lesser) Menelaus. Aeneas is an excellent fighter but not quite a match for anyone in the above tier. At different times, he is almost killed by Diomedes and Achilles and just barely escapes. He is a much deadlier fighter in Virgil's book than he is in the Illiad. That indicates that he either became a more proficient warrior with time or that he had more ferocious opponents during the Trojan war. Patroklos was also an excellent fighter but not a match for Hector. Ajax (the lesser) was not as strong as the bigger Ajax but he was excellent with a lance and with a bow and arrow. Menelaus killed 8 men and almost killed Paris so he's no cream puff either.
FOURTH TIER: (average) Paris, Troilus. These two are only average fighters. That is not to say that they were wimps. Just not exceptional. Paris true skills were in the bedroom. He was a lover not a fighter. But although he was only average in sword fighting, he was a damn good archer. And almost as cunning as Odysseus. As for Troilus, there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about him. He has the same problem as Paris. He thinks too much of love to be a great fighter. Cannot take his mind off of Criseyde.
toussaintf1
I think you have got it together quite well. However didn't Diomedes almost kill Hector twice, being prevented from doing so the first time only by Zeus, and the second time when Paris shot him in the foot? And wasn't he described by Helenus the seer as "the mightiest of the Greeks", "unrivaled in power", even above Achilles? Didn't he also beat Ajax during Patroclus' funeral games? And wounded both the god of war and the goddess of love with Athena's aid?
It's truly a pity that he was rarely mentioned in any adaptation of Troy.
Although I guess Homer himself did say that after Achilles, Ajax was the mightiest fighting man ;)
toussaintf1 Don't forget Deiphobus! He wounded Diomedes in combat and returned with his shield...
John Huang Homer praised everyone. Ajax was the mightiest because for those ages he was tall (probably 6 foot and maybe shorter). Homer mentions in a rhapsody that Ajax was the second best and sometimes mentions in another rhapsody that Hector or Diomedes were the second best.
Only Achilles as a fighter was above everyone.
toussaintf1 You forgot Memnon, who was on Achilles's level.
Green Lantern No one was on Achilles's level. Achilles's was almost at the same level as Hercules but without his strength and power.
Prince Hector, - the bravest soldier ever, - Confronted, Fought & defeated the mightiest .... only beaten by Achilles, who was protected by the gods, - he knew it, but still fought him, knowing he would be killed ... BRAVE Hector .... greatest Hero of all time ...
ajax is my favourite character in the movie, he takes an arrow to the knee yet he still fights on!
Lmao
People have to play Skyrim to understand this...
DinoChook Productions You know ajax was actually not killed by hector in the books. he commited suicide whilest the greec army was winning.
Daniele Mora it's a popular game, and popular meme.
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I used to be a Greek Hero like you, once...
....then I took an arrow in the knee.
This is Robert vs Rhaegar with the opposite ending
That's what I thought.. Had to look through the comments to see if anyone commented before I ..Ajax is totally a young Robert..even the weapon of choice..size... beard..Hector though go lucky. Had that shield not been there or the spear or the sword..he wouldve lost..love the comparison though..that why I like got.. A mix of many mythology's
Raymond Chavez
They even have the same plot. Didn't both wars started because a prince stole some booty?
+ferleal24..I love that Odysseus is Sean bean..and idk his name but jeor mormont is a advisor on Troy's side..there are alot of actors in this that are or were big in thrones ...that's what i miss in thrones is a character that could be a Achilles types character..so far there are none...also...I'd love to see some Conan the barbarian story thrown in(Arnold version)...also there has only been 1 asain person on the show and there is indeed a imperial china like race east coast of essos ...you know there is some hitori hanzo level katana blades and another mythology to add to the list
holy shit hahahaha
If Achilles had fought instead of Hector
My favorite instant was when Hector blocked Ajax' attack on one of the Trojan soldiers.
I like how the heroes are depicted in a somewhat realistic manner. Ajax, Hector of Troy, Achilles... They are humans, no magic bullshit, but they are just superior in some aspects, that could make people talk of them in such a manner that they become legend with time. Ajax is just a huge dude, I am pretty sure monsters of men like that did bring terror to battefields back then. Hector is just a strong, technical and courageous man with a lot of experience. Achille is a little OP, but maybe he could have been the mike tyson of his age. Someone who is just good at what he is doing. You see that a lot in warfare and fighting sports. Every man can fight and learn how to fight, but some people just have it in their blood
You didn't mention that Achilles had the heart of gods, how could he fought and killed hector at the wall, he single-handedly brought more fear to the Troyan much more than the whole greece Army.
This man is a beastly inhuman personalty, even his king was afraid of him
@@shepherdolumideowoh7920 I think you missed the original point. The movie goes for a more "human" depiction of the heroes, instead of the more mythological version we are accustomed to.
You can compare this movie to the graphic novel/film 300. That treated history (the battle of Thermopylae) as though it were myth. The movie Troy treats myth as though it were history.
I like how the Trojans shields are reminiscent of the future Romans shields as according to roman legend they descended from Prince Aeneas and survivors from Troy :D. They even mentioned it at the end of the film as well
Castlerea 12 Let me tell you that Romans kind of stole some elements from the Greeks just saying .
they're not
@@antigonus1161 So?
Romans came from the rome, originally
@@antigonus1161 they were neighbours of the greeks, and the roman's main tatics to conquer lands without rebellion is to add the conquered country's culture to their own if they resemble a lot
In the Illiad- AJAX actually fought MR. CLEAN, to a SPARKLING FLOOR FINISH....
made me laugh
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And on wet surfaces, a glimmer of AJAX's face can still be seen on really clean smooth non-porous finishes
Imagine when you've trained for all those years and Ajax/Hector kills you in a second
With a big hammer no less.
Imagine training all those years just just to be killed by snipers trained to always shoot the neck
HTF are they going to imagine anything. Their dead.
I’m so impressed at the eyesight of the spectators. It’s like they could see exactly what we saw
Did anybody know that Ajax didnt die in a battle in the Greek mythology. He killed himself with a sword after he lost achilleus armor and sword to Odysseus.
I did.
MasterMarcinko that's because he was semi immortal and could only be killed by himself
Ajax would kill Hector but at that moment the god of war (Ares) descended from the sky and protected it .. as the mythology says
I knew that.
@@the_dropbear4392 Yeah, as Ajax is the grandson of Zeus. Ajax also would jump ship from ship as he was so strong and kill the people on board each one just to do it again many times over, it's depressing however how they did him in this flim. I prefer the actual mythology. People usually mistake this one for the lesser Ajax but this is Hollywood's take on Ajax the immortal.
Ajax is a beast.
Kyle Bossman Was* ahah
Ajax is the HULK.
In the illiad the gods saved Hector from Ajax.
PSV Eindhoven : Am I joke to you
Hector is the hero of this movie. The story literally consists in Achilles gradually learning compassion, humanity and true heroism from him and his family (Briseis and Priam), so when his death finally comes he’s no longer a glory hound, but an actual hero.
In death he became a legend.
Achilles was a demigod who took his craft very seriously, though he was literally *given* all of his skills.
Hector was a true hero.
Hector got it out of the dirt.
Good point mate
Hector was a coward
@@lightningrain3114 And you are repetitive. Plus, actually, he was not a coward. Ignorance is bliss!
@@lightningrain3114 You can't have best of the courage without a feelings which give it a powerful fuel to let it last more.
How one can become great without a flaws or a sacrifice?
Achilles was also a true hero. Talent without skill is nothing - Achilles was gifted as an immortal, but he was also the greatest warrior of the Trojan War.
Being immortal in Greek mythology did not inherently mean you were extremely strong. For most heroes such as Heracles, it was in fact the bloodline of the gods that gave them both immortality and strength. However, immortality did not inherently mean they were superior to the rest - Theseus, despite being immortal due to being the son of Poseidon, nonetheless had to make heavy efforts to even hold a candle to Heracles. And even then, he was so far away from ever being as great.
I was so pissed when Ajax died in this movie.
In The Illiad, Ajax doesn't die. Hollywood really butchered Homer's epic. Paris also does not escape, and Hellen is brought back to Sparta.
Hollywood and their dumb nonsense...
FOLKFIDDLER14
& we must always trust what is written in a book right?
The Trojans were defeated & then scattered. I keep on hearing over & over again in various parts of the internet that they became the Etruscan aka THE ROMANS.
Michael Groesbeck The Illiad was an epic poem written years after the fact but if Hollywood is going to do a movie based on the work, it should remain true to it. Mr. Groesbeck, I get the feeling that you are one of those people who is just a chronic arguer and likes to be contrary.
***** It lasted 10 years and Agamemnon was assasinated when he got home after the war.
2:04 His wife's face is so full of pride it always brings out full emotion from me ❤
As well as his father's.
Yesss
NOT ME. THERE IS NO WAY THE BITCH COULD SEE HIM FROM HER TRONE.
I preferred their faces when Achilles was dragging Hector's lifeless body through the dirt behind his chariot.
except in the iliad ajax kills himself after Hector and Achilles' death
Spear in the gut? Walk it off.
More like human honey badger
+Cabhan Listis Spear in the gut? Break it in half and beat a man with it.
Followed quickly by a sword to the gut...which elicits nothing but murderous rage and attempted one-handed strangulation of the assailant.
No. Break it off and smack Hector with it.
Yep just rub some dirt on it.
He was true soldier, true son, true brother, true husband and father.
That is my favorite scene from the movie, and also in my honest opinion it is the best scene from the movie. Very beautiful and nice fight and battle scene. Greece forever 🏺 🔱 🇬🇷 I am very proud that I'm a Greek 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷
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I liked King Ajax! He was bad ass! Fought to his last breath!
***** Don't get me started. I really enjoyed the movie but there were SO many things that were wrong or left out from the original story. Just the fact that King Agamemnon dies at Troy. He survived and made it back home, only to be killed by his wife and her lover. Still a cool flick!
I love how much space is sudenly around them :D
bcgroi lol honestly it happens like atleast twice in the movie everyone is in complete mayhem then all of a sudden there is a perfect circle of people watching.. like aren't you a tiny bit distracted by the certain death around you?
Everyone was dying to see that fight between them two and the fight between Achilles and Hector. They were ALL like fuck fighting each other for a minute, I wanna see this shit.
@starkiller871 That's a fair point. Coming within range of that hammer was practically suicide.
Turner9090 and nobody helped him but cheers at the end 😅
gotta say preambs reaction here is actually amazing. doesnt say a word and can somehow convey fear happiness and extreme relief at the same time.
I always find it so funny, when agamemnons chariot driver dies and he just automatically takes over without even caring lol
When Homer wrote this, Ajax was not beaten nor killed by Hector. Ajax killed himself because Diomedes was chosen to fight Hector. Actually, Diomedes also had beaten Hector.
@George Dunn You are correct. I Wasn't saying that they didn't fight. I was saying that Hector wasn't a better warrior than Ajax or Diomedes.
"La locura de Ayax", "the Ajax madness", is a beautiful mithological reflexion about the madness sought with ancient eyes, like the theatre play "Hercules furens" by Seneca. La locura se va presentando como infundida por los dioses, además de los típicos pecados que castigaban los griegos en las obras, como la soberbia en Aracne. Y así vamos pasando a la locura del mundo descrita en "Elogio de la locura" "Stultitiae laus" de Erasmo de Rotterdan y podemos ver luego a don Quijote atacando rebaños como hizo Ayax. Y se cierra el ciclo.
So beautiful the literature!
To be or not too beer.
Too much sanity may be madness - and maddest of all: to see life as it is, and not as it should be!
Dale Wasserman, Man of La Mancha
@George Dunn Didn't he not kill himself because he lost a duel with Oddyseus over Achilles armour in shame? Achilles being dead at this point.
"He got his name from the dish soap"
-Deadpool
I like the way Ajax was filmed here. A badass brute.
0:26 are cameras lethal in a battlefield?
Lol
You have to pause it exactly at 0:26 to see the came at the left corner.
love Hector's fear and bravery in this scene
1:57 Hector's like "Is he a human ? Can he die ?"
Lmao
Not gonna lie, if I got someone like that and he still kept coming, I would start freaking out too.
Shirou Kotomine He kept coming though.
Just so you know, in reality no one ever killed Ajax. He had a dual with Hector during the war for a long time but it was a drew. They couldn't hurt each other. Ajax went mad toward the end of the war and fell on his own spear. Either suicide or just a moment of madness. War can make men mad. It was a 10 year war. (Imagine having PTSD after 1 year and keep fighting for another 9 with it). It was a long time after they lost Achilles. He never made it back to Greece. He was older than Achilles by a couple of years, trained with him at childhood, and received the same education. It was just Ajax and Achilles. No other kids were there. They were taught by the same man. Forgot his name. Ajax was a giant. Even as a kid, he was bigger than anyone else. He was born to the world he lived in, and tried his best to be the best version of himself. May he rest in peace.
he went mad cause of loosing achilles armor in the games
In reality these are all stories, nothing ever happened
@@mohamedmusthafa4359 That's one opinion. I personally doubt that those names echo through generations for thousands of years just because they're stories. Many unwritten stories were told over time throughout the existence of mankind. None of them are still here, still echoing so strongly in our souls like the stories of the Trojan war and Leonidas and the 300. I believe them to be real events. The magnitude of the events is the speculative part in my opinion.
@@Natures_Symmetry However, it counts that the myth has been transmitted and then modified orally for centuries and even when it was transcribed it was modified even later in favor of the Achaeans in particular, personally to me the myth I don't like it so much I find it too biased in favor of the Achaeans who have the strongest, fairest, most noble heroes ... Elena herself is described as a woman who deeply loved Menelaus, but on the other hand, the winners always write history ...
I think the name of the old name was Phoenix
The film doesnt make it clear but Ajax is actually a very important character in Greek mythology. He was very near invincible and was also close to Achilles, which is why Achilles was so angry at Ajax's defeat. Hector was really second only to Achilles in combat skill. The movie portrays him as somewhat of a weakling, when he really wasn't. Achilles was unable to be seriously harmed except upon his "achilles" heel.
Finally someone acknowledges Hector's skill. I'm tired of the comments like Hector was no where near Achilles, Achilles could have killed him by one shot etc. Seriously Hector was way more badass in the books. And although Eric Bana did an excellent job they somehow made Hector's movements clumsy to depict him as a less fine warrior.
The film is inaccurate Ajax didn't killed by Hector he committed suicide
I believe you are underestimating the skill of both Hector and Ajax. There was nothing clumsy about Hector in his duel with Achilles, his skill was exceptional. He was just pitted against a godlike fighter. While Ajax wasn't just a brute, he fought quite cleverly and manhandled Hector for most of their fight.
Hector and Ajax were great Warriors, but the closer one to Achilles in power was Diomedes, it's crazy that they didn't include him in the movie.
Hector: *thrust spear into Ajax* yassss
Ajax: *breaks spear and presumes to beat hector with it*
Hector: ok time out.
Ajax was a frikking Dreadnought on that battlefield! He just wreacked havoc! Hector bárely defeated him as Ajax was just só incredibly powerful! Un-intimidable, unmatched!
Yet he took him down!
except Hector never killed Ajax
hector vs. ajax!
you know this was a CLEAN fight!
Hector defeating low-budget Goliath in front of his dad & wife is a massive flex for real🥳🎉Achilles was indeed a great warrior but Hector takes the crown of being a leader & level headed man
(Hector kills Ajax)
Hector: I have beaten this big warrior!! Who's next!!
Achillies: Hold my beer
Patroclus - Takes beer, drinks it, charges at Hector, dies.
Achilles - Pikachu Face :0
More like "Hold my wine"
@@MylesKillis underrated comment
Achilles sucks
Achilles is a d bag
This movie is straight butchery. Hector is one of the greatest mortals to ever walk the Earth, whoever wrote this movie really didn't do him any justice.
They didn’t do Ajax justice
Lmao you don't know what you're talking about but made me lol
@@RandomGuy-bt4pz correct
imagine Ajax vs Boargius...
Battle of the titans
Ajax vs Berghuis was last Sunday 😂
I think Ajax would win
Hands only. No weapons.
@@silverman5707 finally exactly how I love
Not a single TikToker or Instagrammar in sight. Refreshing to see some real people enjoying some real fun xD
Could have sworn that the only person who kill Ajax, was Ajax...
The movie's full of bullshit, this being just one example: Ajax survived the war and ended up committing suicide when he wasn't given Achilles armor after his death.
@@chrishargreaves8016 That was during the war though, before the fall of Troy, Achilles actually died on the battlefield, not during the sacking, as did Paris.
Ajax was a real hero in this movie.
Strong as an Uruk Hai and brave as a lion.
When I was little kid the first time I saw the movie I felt the smell of the blood...
wait....what? You "felt" the smell of blood??? :[
yeah... like, like i was there somehow
dunno, maybe behind you
***** Have you ever heard about the Laws of War that Ancient greeks had established? every greek city,town,village,lord,and man was respecting them! Greeks were so smart that were able to control war via laws! These laws were broken during the Pelopponisian war!
New Blood One could say greeks were civilized even in war.
Looks like Hector knows javascript good enough to deal with AJAX
The movie Troy is actually about what the ideal type of man should and shouldn't look like
1) The ideal man -> Achilles, Hector, Odysseus -> Strength, respect, honor, humility, loyalty, wisdom -> They fight and defend their ideals and goodness
2) Toxic man -> Agamemnon -> alcoholic, arrogant, takes women as slaves, wretched
3) Weak and pathetic man -> Paris -> Takes another man's wife, lets others fight for him, doesn't stand up for his own opinions, can't face anything
No. That is a terrible modern simplification and in parts plain wrong if you look at the Iliad itself and the movie. Achilles chases glory and is revengeful. So much so that he ignores the ancient customs how to treat the fallen with respect. Paris of the movie is much weaker than Homer portraits him. In the Iliad he is still a hero and superior to common man in strength and skill. And Odysseus is devious, at least sometimes.
Achilles and humility in the same sentence?
Don't know if i would put Achilles in the first category. He doesn't particularly have any loyalty to anyone other than maybe his cousin. He definitely doesn't have respect or Humility. He defiles a temple and murders the priests inside in the start of the battles. He violates a corpse for days until Hector's father comes up and begs him to give the body back.
00:26 I never knew that cameramen took part in the battle of Troy. So much history left out.
What has been seen ...
Me, a huge Iliad fan when I see this scene: *Look how they massacred my boy*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliad
The look of pride on a father face at 2:07 is funny but his son was the best that Achilles ever fought
Look at Hector man, so inspirational.