My thought process went something like this: Oh Lari has turned up. Oh he's kissing Elias. Must be a dream. Is that Kalle grabbing Lari? (I have sound off so can't tell from an arm) oh it's Miska. Oh. Neither of them want Elias. Is that 'cos they're a couple in this dream? Not going to find out now. Here's Marianna. (Laughter)
As Isabela (former Sebastian's fiancée) have said "Miska is too perfect to be real". She was right; anyway Miska broke up the engagement, even with an unpleasant timing,gave Elias back the ring,then IMO nothing else to do with Elias. As usual Lida created problems : the photo of Larias kissing,told Sebastian Larias had sex....and many, many others odd . I'm not sure she never forgot her cheating from Lari with Elias and :"Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman ".
Miska is a good guy, he has just gone back to his ex. Elias would have done exactly the same thing, gone back to his ex( Lari)but Lari said no, he is staying with Kalle and the time line would have been similar after they broke up. I don't think Miska was with Jonne when Elias and him were together (can't be sure though)
But he was already seeing or maybe still solving things with Jonne when Isabela saw them. He didn't bother to tell Elias and lied to Isabela that Jonne was straight.
Only Me in an episode Miska is on the phone with Elias ( when they were still dating ) and said tht he was home studying when in reality he was out with doing something with tht Jonne dude sooo technically he did cheat or at least lie to Elias.
Thanks, MissF!!!!! It's interesting how on soaps, that when someone dreams something good, you just know the opposite will happen. I feel the same thing about Elias' nightmare. The opposite will happen, and he'll have both men right back where they started...wanting him. It was also interesting that Lari was the only one he kissed. I really wish the show would take just one or two mins. to tell us the Miska/Jonne story. I know that it's not considered important, but it would be nice to know,anyway, since we've seen Jonne a few times.
Elias is not sleeping well. He is obviously very anxiously he has been shot and nearly died then kidnapped and nearly died all in one year and lost both of the boys who were special to him. He's probably depressed. Frankly I think he has a lot to be depressed about. Miska should just leave Elias alone and stay away from him. Whether Miska means well or not, Elias is not in a place to be friends with him. Elias is in too much pain. I remember crazy Isabel (who I really do miss even though she was evil) getting all up in Miska's face about keeping Jonne a secret when she saw them together at school. I remember Sebastian getting up in Miska's face about keeping his relationship with Lari a secret. This was over a year ago. So Miska knows how to keep secrets and all the while that Miska was jealous of Lari and having hissy fits about Lari, Miska had a secret relationship with Jonne where he saw him regularly, had lots of facebook chats and hid it all from Elias. NOW a month after breaking up with Elias Jonne is his boyfriend again. When Miska introduced Jonne to Sebastian he said that Jonne was just his friend AND that Jonne was straight. That was a lie. We know Elias has been having nightmares since he and the rest were rescued from Marianna's clutches. We know Elias has really only ever REALLY loved Lari and we know that Elias tried to move on to be with Miska because every person in his life told him it was the best thing to do and Lari had dumped Elias and run away. Elias also now realized the boy he tried to be with had a secret relationship going on with someone else THE ENTIRE TIME he was with Elias (and if folks remember correctly Jonne is only one of the many secrets Miska kept from Elias. Miska is very secretive. Miska has a right to move on and be with whomever he wants but the fact that Miska had an ongoing relationship with Jonne where they hung out all the time, talked all the time, Facebook messaged and now Jonne is Miska's boyfriend again is suspect. If you can't see that it's just blindness due to bias. I'm not saying either Lari or Miska has to love Elias or want to be with Elias but surely Elias is allowed to have feelings after everything he's gone through. You can't just snap out of it. I think Elias needs to get away from everybody for a while. I hate seeing Elias be so miserable and volatile. Elias is in a very dangerous emotional place and Sebastian just doesn't have the skills to help Elias through it. Lari should just go be with Kalle and leave Elias alone so he can heal and get over Lair because Elias has never really gotten over being in love with Lari and until he does, he won't be able to have any other relationship that is real.
Well, we now have the confirmation that Jonne is the "new" boyfriend of Miska. My guess is that the relationship between Miska and Jonne has been really similar to the relationship between Elias and Lari.
To be honest I find Elias's ptsd the most reasonable reaction to being kidnapped for weeks, finally a soap tat doesn't just brush it under the rug! Although Lari moved into the room which was pretty ridiculous.
I totally feel for Elias at his emotional outburst in front of Miska and his boyfriend. Obviously the best behaviour is to be as courteous and nonchalant as possible. BUT we are talking about matters of the heart - which can reduce the most sensible ones to childish wrecks in seconds! It must be an instant emotional and ego knockout for Elias!!! And another crushing blow to his fragile mentality and soul! So his strong reaction of anger and bitterness - comes from beneath a broken heart! Hopefully, the healing process will come his way soon...
I think it's good that Elias has finally gotten out of his house and is talking to Ida again. It's one step towards getting out of the emotional black hole that he's in right now. It's also good that he knows it's good for him to be single at the moment so his heart isn't broken further. That was a dick move for Miska to just turn up with Jonne and expect Elias not to be upset. He knew what he was getting into when he decided to have a relationship with Elias because he knew how much Lari meant to Elias but he hides the entire Jonne thing from Elias, not even just casually mentioning "Oh, I was messaging a friend" but completely hiding it. On the other hand, I can see that Miska would have wanted a break from Elias (Drama Queen of Finland) because I can agree he does get intense at times, and an easier relationship, which is probably what Jonne has to offer. I guess it's good for him now, and I can see that he was desperately trying to change the conversation topic to something else other than their relationship like the trial. I get the feeling that was just out of guilt though. I guess Elias had the right to say those things, but I think it would have burned Miska more if he was really cool about it and acted like it was water off a duck's back.
What Lari said to Elias in that dream is the same exact thing ive said on here multiple times. When it comes down to it, its Lari thats always let Elias down. The writers are well aware of the story theyre telling, despite so many fans seeing what they want to see. Everyone on here has been condemning Elias as the villain on for months, but he never was. The guy needs a fresh start with a new man. Things have been screwed to hell with Lari and Miska. And I'll never feel like Lari deserves him ever again, so I would really love to see Elias meet someone new this week and he can move on.
think it is the other way around especially lately...but even I'm tired of the blame game Lari did this, Miska did that- only when Elias realizes his part too (like cheating on Miska) will he be able to move on.
***** Yeah, im just really tired of them having him mope around after being rejected by everyone for the millionth time. Lari was jealous for a split second when he thought Elias and Miska were happily back together, but then Elias got him and Kalle back together and then it was Elias who? again. Lari doesnt love Elias, he's never really shown it when it matters. And the sad thing is is that that dream also showed that Elias would jump at the chance to get back with Lari as soon as Lari decides he wants Elias. Elias deserves better than to be that desperate. If Lari were to show up saying he wanted Elias back, it should be too late. Elias can be with any guy he wants, its way past time he get out there and let someone else win his heart and treat him better than Lari ever did.
***** they may as well just keep keep Lari and Kalle together. I always felt like it was a mistake involving Kalle because he's a regular character and he'll always be around, but they went there anyway. They should just move a whole new family into the show with a gay family member that Elias can be with.
***** hopefully not much longer than this week. Fingers crossed Miska's suggestion is the boy go out and meet someone. Its been so long since Elias smiled. Petteri has such a lovely smile. I swear, if some handsome beefy gym bunny would just walk by Elias, he'd forget all about Lari. Meanwhile, Lari can keep thinking his life will be easier with Kalle, a doctor 15 years his senior and who's embarrassed of the age difference and truly sees Lari as a kid, and has a difficult family... Real smart there, Lari. Maybe things just didnt seem to ever work out with Elias because you and your issues were always the problem. Way to go, blaming Elias because shit was hard.
***** i was describing the Lari type, lol. He's not the only gay man out there with biceps bigger than his brain. I see guys like that all the time when i go clubbing. No reason Elias cant go sleep with them all.
It feels like Elias is going to do something horrible, I think he is just going to get more and more depressed and maybe ever try to take his own life... I feel for him I really do. But I really am happy for Lari and Kalle, they are so cute together.
Elias' dream started out to be like a Telenovela, very funny, until marianna showed up. :( I was really hoping they would not go to the bad dream storyline, it's just too sad. Oliver on the other hand always cracks me up, good writing & acting.
OMG things has gone messy 😳😳😁😁 but seriously that first scene gave me scaresss I'm guessing I was not the only one that quickly pus d clip @ first during the first scene coz one need to have some Gus to continue 😄😄😄😄
Aria Simone And I'm sure you're looking like a supermodel and did achieve that without any genes and just by hard work. Maybe you should think twice before shaming other people. Or didn't you learn anything from your very own bullying experiences?
I have to say we don't know if Miska cheated- I don't think he did and like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yes, he got back with his ex quickly after he broke up with Elias but Elias was just as quick running back to his ex Lari and asking him to take him back (only because Lari said no they are not together)- what is the difference? To me just shows if both can move on so quickly from being engaged...well they should never have been engaged then.
Agree totally. We know Miska was in touch with Jonne, but we don't know for certain if Miska was cheating. He could have been supporting Jonne with a situation or problem very personal to Jonne that he wasn't comfortable sharing with Elias. Realistically, an issue that was personal to Jonne (aside from being intimate with Miska) is not really any business of Elias. When Elias had concerns about his family, he turned to Lari. Initially to find out why Lari knew Marianna (as grandma had seen them talking), and later when Sergei was in hospital. Marianna is Lari's family so not really any business of Miska's. Saying that, it could be argued that the engagement made Miska part of Elias' family which includes Sergei so Elias had a choice of help. He didn't choose Miska to help. Elias and Miska should only have been friends from the outset. Elias jumped into the relationship far too quickly without giving him time to mend his broken heart, or Lari time to realise how he felt. Lari did ask him to try again right after his father rejected him following the camp. Elias listened to others telling him he looked happier after a few days with Miska, rather than taking time to listen to his heart.
Does anyone remember ARNIE? This is the young cute gay guy that everyone was trying to set everyone else up with. This was many episodes back. I suspect Elias might seem mature next to Arnie who seemed very young and eager. I always felt bad that Arnie was treated so poorly. But if Arnie and Elias started going out together, Elias would seem very mature, and it might also make him more mature going out with a less mature person. If these were real people, my advice to Elias would be to step back from it all and to work on being himself. You can be a "we" until you have learned how to be a "me". Right now Elias seems psychotically desperate to be a "we", and it is not working on any front. I think, within a limited context, he is dependent on being a "we", but that co-dependency, that desperate need is sure to cause every relationship to fail. Like I said, you can't be a good "we" until you are solidly and confidently a "me". Does that make sense?
Elias ... Have you not heard the expression - "Burning your Bridges behind you?" Yes, I agree with others, Elias is showing his immaturity. I think right now Elias does need to be alone to figure out who he is. You must know who "you" are before you can figure out how to be an "us".
With want of better words...Elias is losing the plot. He is irrational, has mood swings and it is almost like he is panicking that he is alone- I think the writers are angling for some sort of break down.
Me imagine que era real la reconsiliacion de Elias y Lari, pero era solo un sueño de Elias, Deberian ya elevar la serie a un nivel mas maduro ya que la actitud de Elias no es la adecuada, deberia ignorar la traicion de Miska y seguir adelante, al fin y al cabo Elias traiciono primero a Lari con El, sigo pensando que deberian regresar Elias y lari, ya que el primer amor nunca se olvida asi lleguen 100.
Yes he was being over the top drama but remember he is suffering PTSD....Miska should have never stopped, You see a newly exBF who has been through hell. You are walking with your new bf (that you seem to have been cheating with while with your last bf) best thing is to walk on. Call later to check on him if you want. In a way he was rubbing Elias face in it. When Elias cheated with Lari, He and Miska was on a break
Elias is angry because he's hurt. I would be too if I find out my FIANCÉ is hiding something from me. That's the thing that screws up relationships, hiding and not communicating. It would be great if someone could see that Elias is only angry because he's hurt. All the times Lari and Elias had a fight, it was because Elias wanted Lari to be open and feel like he's in an actual relationship. I wish they would just give it another try. Also Miska should've just walked past Elias and not shoved his new relationship in elias' face knowing very well that Elias was hurt.
I notice miska new boyfriend has never spoken a word he is handsome a big boy. As for elias once again he shows what a repulsive character he is lashing out at miska again. Glad lari has kalle.
I was thinking that Larias had happened way to quickly for it to be real.... I was right. :( So many mixed emotions just within the first minute! I thought that Lari and Miska were saying that they were together and that was going to be the big twist but thankfully no!!!! At least I've had a dose of Larias for the time being.
why is he yelling at miska? it's his own fault things didn't work out. he has no right to be angry at anyone but marianna. i'm sure miska could sense things were going south with elias (while they were engaged) & that elias was still hung-up on lari, so it's only natural for him to check out other options. elias, stop being so self-centered!!!!
I started to irritate about Elias behavior..I know his angry to miska but it doesn't mean he can talk like rubbish,especially in front of miska bf..so childish
I've always wanted to see Elias get back together with Lari. They were good together. I understand how hurt Elias feels about Miska and that he kept his relationship a secret. I guess that I expected something to happen between Lari and Elias. I just think that Miska was a real jerk for what he did even when Elias really trusted him.
While Miska and Elias were together. Was Miska and his ex Jonne doing couple things when they were spending time together or were they just hanging out being friendly?
Elias is always really bitter to his exes, is the girl who plays Ida pregnant her face has filled out a bit and her clothes look like they are covering up?
Come on Writer, Let lari break up with kalle and to be with Elias. Elias need somebody to be with him and make feel him better. I want Elias and Lari back together please, but Lari and Elias are prefect love each other. i don't like Kalle that he think he hate elias.
Fine, I get it... Elias can be childish but in this case he is justified for acting the way he did with Miska. Miska was being selfish for expecting Elias to so much as have a decent conversation with him when he is with that big lump of guy next to him. Miska and Elias should just stay far away from each other and all will be well... I actually wanted to scratch Miska's eyes out for Elias.
Told you that Elias was turning into a chick. Everything is poor, poor Elias. He should not have cheated on Miska and he would not be alone now. We get out of life what we put in. If you put nothing in then you get nothing out. He is just an immature spoiled brat who thinks that he can do anything to anyone and get away with it. Sorry that is not what life is all about.
Although Elias has been an idiot these last year or so (I love Elias) someone could tell me when Elias cheated Mishka? As I recall, they had taken some time off after they have had a big fight when Elias discovered that Mishka had not told him all about Jonne. Later at the bar, Elias try to come back and say I'm sorry, but was rejected by Mishka who run away quickly. For me there was no cheating! On the other hand, if my “boyfriend” left me (the same day of departure) and goes on a trip to India alone, because he did not have the guts to face the world and take me with him ... are we still together? The answer seems clear to me! Please, someone tell me when Lari cheated Kalle!. I still remember that phrase Lari tells Elias on the stairs ... "I'm alone again." To Lari, Kalle and he had broken up. No cheating!
both lari and cheated in my books and they think so too, which is what counts. Neither of them said we are finished, it is over to Kalle and Miska. Taking a break is not the same as finishing with someone, I have arguments in my relationship and sometimes stay away for a bit to figure things out but it is not a green light for either of us to cheat. Lets just say until someone says it is over (which no one did). Besides, Elias was still wearing his engagement ring and Lari text Kalle lets talk when you get back- far from over for both
Josaphine Roche I understand what you say, but do not share that. Sometimes actions speak best, no words needed. Taking time means, to me, to take away, to think and continue with their lives, is a pause in the relationship, that's why I think there was no cheating
VICTORIO TESTA Lari and Elias talked after kissing at Janne's party. Lari said he didn't want to cheat. Elias said he thought that Lari and Kalle has broken up over India. Lari said he didn't want to give up [on Kalle] that easily. Elias may have thought or felt they were both single. Lari didn't.
Rhianalanthula but even Elias knew too, when he slept with Lari cut to the next scene where Elias and Ida are talking and he says in his words "We are still engaged" cut to the next scene Lari sitting around the table with Kalle and his family (if you thought you had brokenup would you even do that) cut to the next scene were Lari and Elias say let us keep it secret- it is the most black and white thing in this story IMO
Rhianalanthula Do remember the scene on the stairs I mentioned? Lari tells Elias ... I'm alone again and Elias answered something like "I'm here". That was before the party at the bar. Lary at that time thought they had broken up.
Wait didn't Miska tell Elias's grandmother that Jonne was straight? SMH. But both Elias and Miska did some shitty stuff. I really don't know how to feel about both of them at this point.
guest300a I noticed that too. I love the show, and I'm so thankful for the postings and the subtitles, but occasionally the typos and translations crack me up. It just adds to the enjoyment for me... not criticism at all.
that the jonne miska cheeted on elias with and when elias get vex he ask for a time out and now you guys are back together, and pasing with him and want to do like as if nothing happen, ok you said hi that can pas it maners but to want to have a conversation and do like as if you guys are the best friends. what the hell you expected elias to do? give you a pat on the back.jog along, walk away, cheeck your sin don't play like you you were not engaged he has no feeling.(miska va te faire fout avec ton mec)
I am not saying anything ....but you have got to be kidding me, four words Miska new boyfriend......seriously, three words come to mind, before and after, I'm not hating, but before and after, nough said, Oh one more thing, "Go to hell!!" lol
in the first scene, when Lari entered Elias' room, i said Oh shit here we go again lol
I spent the whole dream sequence giggling. At one point I thought Lari and Miska were going to say they were a couple.
i thought the same thing
Me too!
My thought process went something like this:
Oh Lari has turned up. Oh he's kissing Elias. Must be a dream.
Is that Kalle grabbing Lari? (I have sound off so can't tell from an arm) oh it's Miska.
Oh. Neither of them want Elias. Is that 'cos they're a couple in this dream?
Not going to find out now. Here's Marianna. (Laughter)
my fought was lari kiss miska
My thought exactly!! I thought that wsa going to be the twist!
And all this time I was feeling bad for Miska and thinking he was a good guy...
As Isabela (former Sebastian's fiancée) have said "Miska is too perfect to be real".
She was right; anyway Miska broke up the engagement, even with an unpleasant timing,gave Elias back the ring,then IMO nothing else to do with Elias. As usual Lida created problems : the photo of Larias kissing,told Sebastian Larias had sex....and many, many others odd . I'm not sure she never forgot her cheating from Lari with Elias and :"Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman ".
Miska is a good guy, he has just gone back to his ex. Elias would have done exactly the same thing, gone back to his ex( Lari)but Lari said no, he is staying with Kalle and the time line would have been similar after they broke up. I don't think Miska was with Jonne when Elias and him were together (can't be sure though)
But he was already seeing or maybe still solving things with Jonne when Isabela saw them. He didn't bother to tell Elias and lied to Isabela that Jonne was straight.
Only Me in an episode Miska is on the phone with Elias ( when they were still dating ) and said tht he was home studying when in reality he was out with doing something with tht Jonne dude sooo technically he did cheat or at least lie to Elias.
Ram Ram exactly! I wasn’t sure but he looked familiar from tht first scene!!
There is that old saying 'dreamers never lie'...so if dreams never lie in Elias dreams he wants Lari and not Miska (probably always did)
LOL....good grief Elias....take it down a notch. Frankly he is just pissed that everyone has moved on except him.
I know it was a dream and it that scene didn't actually take place, but the actors has to do it, and so I will take it
That Elias' dream was creepyy😩😩
Thanks, MissF!!!!!
It's interesting how on soaps, that when someone dreams something good, you just know the opposite will happen. I feel the same thing about Elias' nightmare. The opposite will happen, and he'll have both men right back where they started...wanting him. It was also interesting that Lari was the only one he kissed.
I really wish the show would take just one or two mins. to tell us the Miska/Jonne story. I know that it's not considered important, but it would be nice to know,anyway, since we've seen Jonne a few times.
Elias is not sleeping well. He is obviously very anxiously he has been shot and nearly died then kidnapped and nearly died all in one year and lost both of the boys who were special to him. He's probably depressed. Frankly I think he has a lot to be depressed about.
Miska should just leave Elias alone and stay away from him. Whether Miska means well or not, Elias is not in a place to be friends with him. Elias is in too much pain.
I remember crazy Isabel (who I really do miss even though she was evil) getting all up in Miska's face about keeping Jonne a secret when she saw them together at school. I remember Sebastian getting up in Miska's face about keeping his relationship with Lari a secret. This was over a year ago.
So Miska knows how to keep secrets and all the while that Miska was jealous of Lari and having hissy fits about Lari, Miska had a secret relationship with Jonne where he saw him regularly, had lots of facebook chats and hid it all from Elias. NOW a month after breaking up with Elias Jonne is his boyfriend again. When Miska introduced Jonne to Sebastian he said that Jonne was just his friend AND that Jonne was straight. That was a lie.
We know Elias has been having nightmares since he and the rest were rescued from Marianna's clutches. We know Elias has really only ever REALLY loved Lari and we know that Elias tried to move on to be with Miska because every person in his life told him it was the best thing to do and Lari had dumped Elias and run away.
Elias also now realized the boy he tried to be with had a secret relationship going on with someone else THE ENTIRE TIME he was with Elias (and if folks remember correctly Jonne is only one of the many secrets Miska kept from Elias. Miska is very secretive.
Miska has a right to move on and be with whomever he wants but the fact that Miska had an ongoing relationship with Jonne where they hung out all the time, talked all the time, Facebook messaged and now Jonne is Miska's boyfriend again is suspect. If you can't see that it's just blindness due to bias.
I'm not saying either Lari or Miska has to love Elias or want to be with Elias but surely Elias is allowed to have feelings after everything he's gone through. You can't just snap out of it. I think Elias needs to get away from everybody for a while. I hate seeing Elias be so miserable and volatile. Elias is in a very dangerous emotional place and Sebastian just doesn't have the skills to help Elias through it.
Lari should just go be with Kalle and leave Elias alone so he can heal and get over Lair because Elias has never really gotten over being in love with Lari and until he does, he won't be able to have any other relationship that is real.
I also feel like Elias liked MIska more than I thought he did. The way he reacted makes me think he might have had real feelings for him.
elias and lari love story , i miss so much
I see Elias more sad Than happy, and i'm talking about the whole show. LOL
Elias is always sad i mean can u give him a chance to be happy for his life for once!! its hard to see him always like this!!
Well, we now have the confirmation that Jonne is the "new" boyfriend of Miska.
My guess is that the relationship between Miska and Jonne has been really similar to the relationship between Elias and Lari.
To be honest I find Elias's ptsd the most reasonable reaction to being kidnapped for weeks, finally a soap tat doesn't just brush it under the rug! Although Lari moved into the room which was pretty ridiculous.
well Elias nightmare started out like an ideal dream, being kissed by Lari and having two hot men fighting over you (only joking)
I totally feel for Elias at his emotional outburst in front of Miska and his boyfriend. Obviously the best behaviour is to be as courteous and nonchalant as possible. BUT we are talking about matters of the heart - which can reduce the most sensible ones to childish wrecks in seconds!
It must be an instant emotional and ego knockout for Elias!!! And another crushing blow to his fragile mentality and soul!
So his strong reaction of anger and bitterness - comes from beneath a broken heart!
Hopefully, the healing process will come his way soon...
I think it's good that Elias has finally gotten out of his house and is talking to Ida again. It's one step towards getting out of the emotional black hole that he's in right now. It's also good that he knows it's good for him to be single at the moment so his heart isn't broken further.
That was a dick move for Miska to just turn up with Jonne and expect Elias not to be upset. He knew what he was getting into when he decided to have a relationship with Elias because he knew how much Lari meant to Elias but he hides the entire Jonne thing from Elias, not even just casually mentioning "Oh, I was messaging a friend" but completely hiding it.
On the other hand, I can see that Miska would have wanted a break from Elias (Drama Queen of Finland) because I can agree he does get intense at times, and an easier relationship, which is probably what Jonne has to offer. I guess it's good for him now, and I can see that he was desperately trying to change the conversation topic to something else other than their relationship like the trial. I get the feeling that was just out of guilt though.
I guess Elias had the right to say those things, but I think it would have burned Miska more if he was really cool about it and acted like it was water off a duck's back.
Our poor Elias :( the dream had me so happy for 10 sec...then the daymare started lol .side note love the play on the stars and stripes in his bedroom
What Lari said to Elias in that dream is the same exact thing ive said on here multiple times. When it comes down to it, its Lari thats always let Elias down. The writers are well aware of the story theyre telling, despite so many fans seeing what they want to see. Everyone on here has been condemning Elias as the villain on for months, but he never was. The guy needs a fresh start with a new man. Things have been screwed to hell with Lari and Miska. And I'll never feel like Lari deserves him ever again, so I would really love to see Elias meet someone new this week and he can move on.
think it is the other way around especially lately...but even I'm tired of the blame game Lari did this, Miska did that- only when Elias realizes his part too (like cheating on Miska) will he be able to move on.
***** Yeah, im just really tired of them having him mope around after being rejected by everyone for the millionth time. Lari was jealous for a split second when he thought Elias and Miska were happily back together, but then Elias got him and Kalle back together and then it was Elias who? again. Lari doesnt love Elias, he's never really shown it when it matters. And the sad thing is is that that dream also showed that Elias would jump at the chance to get back with Lari as soon as Lari decides he wants Elias. Elias deserves better than to be that desperate. If Lari were to show up saying he wanted Elias back, it should be too late. Elias can be with any guy he wants, its way past time he get out there and let someone else win his heart and treat him better than Lari ever did.
***** they may as well just keep keep Lari and Kalle together. I always felt like it was a mistake involving Kalle because he's a regular character and he'll always be around, but they went there anyway. They should just move a whole new family into the show with a gay family member that Elias can be with.
***** hopefully not much longer than this week. Fingers crossed Miska's suggestion is the boy go out and meet someone. Its been so long since Elias smiled. Petteri has such a lovely smile.
I swear, if some handsome beefy gym bunny would just walk by Elias, he'd forget all about Lari. Meanwhile, Lari can keep thinking his life will be easier with Kalle, a doctor 15 years his senior and who's embarrassed of the age difference and truly sees Lari as a kid, and has a difficult family... Real smart there, Lari. Maybe things just didnt seem to ever work out with Elias because you and your issues were always the problem. Way to go, blaming Elias because shit was hard.
***** i was describing the Lari type, lol. He's not the only gay man out there with biceps bigger than his brain. I see guys like that all the time when i go clubbing. No reason Elias cant go sleep with them all.
I like it
It feels like Elias is going to do something horrible, I think he is just going to get more and more depressed and maybe ever try to take his own life... I feel for him I really do. But I really am happy for Lari and Kalle, they are so cute together.
Elias' dream started out to be like a Telenovela, very funny, until marianna showed up. :(
I was really hoping they would not go to the bad dream storyline, it's just too sad.
Oliver on the other hand always cracks me up, good writing & acting.
OMG things has gone messy 😳😳😁😁 but seriously that first scene gave me scaresss I'm guessing I was not the only one that quickly pus d clip @ first during the first scene coz one need to have some Gus to continue 😄😄😄😄
i'm toooo muchhhh crazyyyy with all thissss ... elias don't be sad pleaseee ... miska will be with you again ... trust me
Ida: that feeling when you are in the middle of a fight between your friend and his ex... awkward.
Best seat in the house.....LOL
monk3yboy69 hahaha. i guess ill be blushing all through their fight...
He says "go to hell" a lot, he said that to lari a few times in the beginning haha
How can Miska chose that ugly guy over Elias?
if you choose a guy just for appearances , you have a problem
Maybe Jonne is not a high maintenance queen like elias. Miska is easy going and has no time for drama.
I found him quite nice looking in this scene (in the older scenes, in which we've seem him, he looked far more "unkempt").
agreed! disgusting!
Aria Simone And I'm sure you're looking like a supermodel and did achieve that without any genes and just by hard work. Maybe you should think twice before shaming other people. Or didn't you learn anything from your very own bullying experiences?
this opera soap makes me crazy. too much drama. but i like it..bitter sweet.
Oh poor Elias, he's really in pain. J'aurais même plutôt dit à bout mais je sais pas comment dire ça en anglais x)
Comme je te comprend XD
p0wah57 j'crois que tu voulais dire, he can't take it any more.
Oui voilà qu'il peut plus le supporter :)
I have a feeling things are not how they seem.
I get the same feeling too, something is definitely not right.....
I have to say we don't know if Miska cheated- I don't think he did and like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yes, he got back with his ex quickly after he broke up with Elias but Elias was just as quick running back to his ex Lari and asking him to take him back (only because Lari said no they are not together)- what is the difference? To me just shows if both can move on so quickly from being engaged...well they should never have been engaged then.
Agree totally. We know Miska was in touch with Jonne, but we don't know for certain if Miska was cheating. He could have been supporting Jonne with a situation or problem very personal to Jonne that he wasn't comfortable sharing with Elias. Realistically, an issue that was personal to Jonne (aside from being intimate with Miska) is not really any business of Elias.
When Elias had concerns about his family, he turned to Lari. Initially to find out why Lari knew Marianna (as grandma had seen them talking), and later when Sergei was in hospital. Marianna is Lari's family so not really any business of Miska's.
Saying that, it could be argued that the engagement made Miska part of Elias' family which includes Sergei so Elias had a choice of help. He didn't choose Miska to help.
Elias and Miska should only have been friends from the outset. Elias jumped into the relationship far too quickly without giving him time to mend his broken heart, or Lari time to realise how he felt. Lari did ask him to try again right after his father rejected him following the camp. Elias listened to others telling him he looked happier after a few days with Miska, rather than taking time to listen to his heart.
Poor Elias!
sorry but when mariana appeared at the beginning i laughed. Only episode to make me laugh
+GamingTranceSeer I laughed so hard lol
Elias on ihana
Does anyone remember ARNIE? This is the young cute gay guy that everyone was trying to set everyone else up with. This was many episodes back. I suspect Elias might seem mature next to Arnie who seemed very young and eager. I always felt bad that Arnie was treated so poorly. But if Arnie and Elias started going out together, Elias would seem very mature, and it might also make him more mature going out with a less mature person.
If these were real people, my advice to Elias would be to step back from it all and to work on being himself. You can be a "we" until you have learned how to be a "me". Right now Elias seems psychotically desperate to be a "we", and it is not working on any front. I think, within a limited context, he is dependent on being a "we", but that co-dependency, that desperate need is sure to cause every relationship to fail. Like I said, you can't be a good "we" until you are solidly and confidently a "me".
Does that make sense?
Elias ... Have you not heard the expression - "Burning your Bridges behind you?"
Yes, I agree with others, Elias is showing his immaturity. I think right now Elias does need to be alone to figure out who he is. You must know who "you" are before you can figure out how to be an "us".
With want of better words...Elias is losing the plot. He is irrational, has mood swings and it is almost like he is panicking that he is alone- I think the writers are angling for some sort of break down.
Elias is going a bit crazy.
I am not Elias biggest fan but think he is having some sort of break down.
Me imagine que era real la reconsiliacion de Elias y Lari, pero era solo un sueño de Elias, Deberian ya elevar la serie a un nivel mas maduro ya que la actitud de Elias no es la adecuada, deberia ignorar la traicion de Miska y seguir adelante, al fin y al cabo Elias traiciono primero a Lari con El, sigo pensando que deberian regresar Elias y lari, ya que el primer amor nunca se olvida asi lleguen 100.
Yes he was being over the top drama but remember he is suffering PTSD....Miska should have never stopped, You see a newly exBF who has been through hell. You are walking with your new bf (that you seem to have been cheating with while with your last bf) best thing is to walk on. Call later to check on him if you want. In a way he was rubbing Elias face in it. When Elias cheated with Lari, He and Miska was on a break
OHMYGOD. It's not possible THAT guy be Miska's boyfriend! :S
Elias is angry because he's hurt. I would be too if I find out my FIANCÉ is hiding something from me. That's the thing that screws up relationships, hiding and not communicating. It would be great if someone could see that Elias is only angry because he's hurt. All the times Lari and Elias had a fight, it was because Elias wanted Lari to be open and feel like he's in an actual relationship. I wish they would just give it another try.
Also Miska should've just walked past Elias and not shoved his new relationship in elias' face knowing very well that Elias was hurt.
I notice miska new boyfriend has never spoken a word he is handsome a big boy. As for elias once again he shows what a repulsive character he is lashing out at miska again. Glad lari has kalle.
Oops made a mistake about miska boyfriend Jonne he does talk.
I was thinking that Larias had happened way to quickly for it to be real.... I was right. :( So many mixed emotions just within the first minute! I thought that Lari and Miska were saying that they were together and that was going to be the big twist but thankfully no!!!! At least I've had a dose of Larias for the time being.
Agree with Elias, but how could Miska cheat on him with that boy? Not even close to be goodlooking.... :D
can't the writers write other storylines for these boys aside from lovestory that goes nowhere it's kind of tiring already.
why is he yelling at miska? it's his own fault things didn't work out. he has no right to be angry at anyone but marianna. i'm sure miska could sense things were going south with elias (while they were engaged) & that elias was still hung-up on lari, so it's only natural for him to check out other options. elias, stop being so self-centered!!!!
Ton Eliaksen unen olis kruunannu Miskan ja Larin suudelma :'D
I started to irritate about Elias behavior..I know his angry to miska but it doesn't mean he can talk like rubbish,especially in front of miska bf..so childish
Elias näkee unia😊
Paras ikinä :'D
I've always wanted to see Elias get back together with Lari. They were good together. I understand how hurt Elias feels about Miska and that he kept his relationship a secret. I guess that I expected something to happen between Lari and Elias. I just think that Miska was a real jerk for what he did even when Elias really trusted him.
Ever word you say It true
Elias deserve to be happy!! arghhhh im so tired of this!!
lol Ida is just stare and not even drag Elias away -_-
sad miska
While Miska and Elias were together. Was Miska and his ex Jonne doing couple things when they were spending time together or were they just hanging out being friendly?
elias is in so much pain and no one see it or is there for him
Elias is always really bitter to his exes, is the girl who plays Ida pregnant her face has filled out a bit and her clothes look like they are covering up?
Come on Writer, Let lari break up with kalle and to be with Elias. Elias need somebody to be with him and make feel him better. I want Elias and Lari back together please, but Lari and Elias are prefect love each other. i don't like Kalle that he think he hate elias.
Fine, I get it... Elias can be childish but in this case he is justified for acting the way he did with Miska. Miska was being selfish for expecting Elias to so much as have a decent conversation with him when he is with that big lump of guy next to him. Miska and Elias should just stay far away from each other and all will be well... I actually wanted to scratch Miska's eyes out for Elias.
but if Lari would have said yes to Elias he would have been with his ex too- what is the difference
Did I miss sth? Why people think that Miska was cheating?
the nightmare...haha
What was that? Why isn't Ida stepping in? And where is Jo George? :) Haven't seen him here in the comments in a while.
What happened with Ida...?
Kristiany andalas She doesn't look anorexic now!
Goes to show how messed up in the head he is.
His dream was way to dramatic!
Hi may be Elias should go after Jonne Miska new boyfriend , to get his own back !
elias wow
voi elias parka
Told you that Elias was turning into a chick. Everything is poor, poor Elias. He should not have cheated on Miska and he would not be alone now. We get out of life what we put in. If you put nothing in then you get nothing out. He is just an immature spoiled brat who thinks that he can do anything to anyone and get away with it. Sorry that is not what life is all about.
Elias just go out more often and find someone else or something else to do lad.
Although Elias has been an idiot these last year or so (I love Elias) someone could tell me when Elias cheated Mishka?
As I recall, they had taken some time off after they have had a big fight when Elias discovered that Mishka had not told him all about Jonne. Later at the bar, Elias try to come back and say I'm sorry, but was rejected by Mishka who run away quickly. For me there was no cheating!
On the other hand, if my “boyfriend” left me (the same day of departure) and goes on a trip to India alone, because he did not have the guts to face the world and take me with him ... are we still together? The answer seems clear to me! Please, someone tell me when Lari cheated Kalle!. I still remember that phrase Lari tells Elias on the stairs ... "I'm alone again." To Lari, Kalle and he had broken up. No cheating!
both lari and cheated in my books and they think so too, which is what counts. Neither of them said we are finished, it is over to Kalle and Miska. Taking a break is not the same as finishing with someone, I have arguments in my relationship and sometimes stay away for a bit to figure things out but it is not a green light for either of us to cheat. Lets just say until someone says it is over (which no one did). Besides, Elias was still wearing his engagement ring and Lari text Kalle lets talk when you get back- far from over for both
Josaphine Roche I understand what you say, but do not share that. Sometimes actions speak best, no words needed. Taking time means, to me, to take away, to think and continue with their lives, is a pause in the relationship, that's why I think there was no cheating
VICTORIO TESTA Lari and Elias talked after kissing at Janne's party. Lari said he didn't want to cheat. Elias said he thought that Lari and Kalle has broken up over India. Lari said he didn't want to give up [on Kalle] that easily. Elias may have thought or felt they were both single. Lari didn't.
Rhianalanthula but even Elias knew too, when he slept with Lari cut to the next scene where Elias and Ida are talking and he says in his words "We are still engaged" cut to the next scene Lari sitting around the table with Kalle and his family (if you thought you had brokenup would you even do that) cut to the next scene were Lari and Elias say let us keep it secret- it is the most black and white thing in this story IMO
Rhianalanthula Do remember the scene on the stairs I mentioned? Lari tells Elias ... I'm alone again and Elias answered something like "I'm here". That was before the party at the bar. Lary at that time thought they had broken up.
Wait didn't Miska tell Elias's grandmother that Jonne was straight? SMH. But both Elias and Miska did some shitty stuff. I really don't know how to feel about both of them at this point.
granwa?
guest300a I noticed that too. I love the show, and I'm so thankful for the postings and the subtitles, but occasionally the typos and translations crack me up. It just adds to the enjoyment for me... not criticism at all.
I want elias to be with someone else not miska nor lari. Idk
MARIANNA THO
élias a été plus franc que Miska
et la on voie qui et vraiment Miska
elias is so bitter
that the jonne miska cheeted on elias with and when elias get vex he ask for a time out and now you guys are back together, and pasing with him and want to do like as if nothing happen, ok you said hi that can pas it maners but to want to have a conversation and do like as if you guys are the best friends. what the hell you expected elias to do? give you a pat on the back.jog along, walk away, cheeck your sin don't play like you you were not engaged he has no feeling.(miska va te faire fout avec ton mec)
Ugh really miska him over elias
I am not saying anything ....but you have got to be kidding me, four words Miska new boyfriend......seriously, three words come to mind, before and after, I'm not hating, but before and after, nough said, Oh one more thing, "Go to hell!!" lol