Imagine disqualifying players for taking advantage of something that is present in the game. The French player did it intentionally to highlight the flaws in this game's competitive scene. The tournament organization was a mess, and they failed to establish proper rules. This game isn't designed for competitive play. The devs even said it.
I agree that this game isnt competitive and should not be seen as such. However, if the most viable strategy isnt fun, thats a game design fault. This goes for PVE as well
This game honestly could be competitively viable just fix the vanish wars, give punishments like ki staggers to the instant sparking and afterimage/afterimage strike moves so on. I seen really cool stuff in the my hero academia ones justice tournaments, hell demon slayer was quite decent too. There is a market as there is no other good competition in the arena fighter fighting game space. Yes its made for casuals but i really thinknit could do well if balanced in some areas that even casual players get annoyed by. Or at least exclusive tunings for ranked mode since that is where competitive players/sweats go. There is room for both look at street fighter, casual or competitive it works for both players too
It’s just lazy. Shocking how titles that have so much hype behind them like this and starwars battlefront 2 fail to take any community input before hand. Rage bait
You guys never played Elden ring PVP it's funny because there are so many things in that game that you cannot get away from me and my friend was completely even in hand-to-hand combat as soon as he started using certain types of magic that I just couldn't Dodge from or roll out of unless I had the perfect frame for the exact thing to counter his move you are dead But nobody talks about that game you know why because it's not competitive It's a single player game I barely hop on PVP I completely stay on world library and custom battles simply because even if the online was amazing you're only option is to win or lose I'd rather make a story and win or lose you get nothing real out of video games anyway I'm more mad that they decided to host a tournament that was not more about CPU vs CPU or who can make the hardest custom battle and if they really needed to make a PVP battle they should have just added more rules show techniques like this would have just gotten you DQ ( IF YOU HIT BELOW THE BELT IN BOXING YOU GET DISQUALIFIED ) I believe the same thing can be said here. At the end of the day people are taking this game way out of what the series was at least for me when I was growing up I never cared about fighting anybody else because I was too busy trying to make the CPU harder to fight because had a lot of ways you can do that and the online for rb2 was terrible and I had nobody good to fight with when it came to bt3
@LordSiah Funny because I actually played ER pvp a lot with a friend. Nobody talked about elden ring pvp? That's completely wrong, elden ring pvp was a mess and the pvp portion of the playerbase was very vocal about it. Spike/Bandai choose to make the game competitive when they shouldn't have. They say the game is made for fun, that it will be lore accurate regarding the power gap of the characters, but at the same time they give you a ranked pvp mode and organize an international tournament. That's on them, not the players fault if they want to take it seriously.
@LordSiah Huh?, your comparing elden ring, a single player game, where the focus is pve to sparking zero where the whole point of the game is to fight people. Bandai namco made a tournament for sparking zero, and not elden ring for a reason. Because they chose to make a sparking zero tournament they obviously want people to see that the game could be competetive in some way, but then it ended up highlighting the cheese within the game. They banned players for abusing a tactic bandai themselves allowed to be in the game. The game has broken mechanics they implemented and they punish players for abusing the broken mechanics😂. They obviously don't know whether they want this game to be competetive or not.
@HuskySansVergogne tbf I got the game really late so I didn't hear the discourse but I still believe it's dumb to complain about PVP especially in a game like that it's not meant for it when me and my fought I would literally say bro stop using magic until I got my magic up and then we was fighting on the same level lol it's the same way in this game I do agree that they should have never done a tournament though
so if i quit a game because someone is ki spamming me with broly , by their definition, that person should actually lose points and not have their win count....... because of the way that they played the game.....
@@therealjahovasthickness that’s not a skill issue. That’s a broken mechanic. This game need to make lobbies where you can see your opponents win loss ratio And what character do they like to use.
It werid when they know the whole game is not really competitive and ban both player's without even giving a reason like they literally said this game will not be balanced like if they care that much balanced the game even know they pretty much can't
The classic saying. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" No way in hell I will ever take Sparking Zero seriously and competitive. Now will you excuse me, i will turn off my brain and play Vegito.
You know how you come across strange rules that you think, "Why would anyone do that?" 'Don't stand outside the pool and pee into the water.' Type. This is the reason. "No stalling wasn't written down! No rule breaks! Fix game!" ...brother, come on now.
The biggest thing is the fact that the tournament organizers didn't establish said rules to be applied in the tournament, many people agree they didn't do anything wrong in their gameplay and if they did know not to do that they would not have gone out and done it anyways if it was going to lead to a DQ.
did... did the TO's forgot this tournament is too allow Bandai to see what they should fix/adjust in the game why do people keep forgetting Bandai said so... i do not know O.O
its a mixed bag, as businesses go, everything isnt dandy as it seems, the invitation to show dirt on the game does not mean to push it into the mud, its gotta be presentable and all that.
Hillister switched his play style and shiyu didn’t….he shouldn’t have been disqualified because he did try to listen while the other player continued to play like that.
They contacted Hilliaster behind the scenes to tell him to change his team or else he'll be disqualified. A lot happened behind the scenes and there's an interview with both finalists (who are friends) explaining their POV. It's in French, though.
They told them to play seriously not switch teams + there's a rule that the winner is NOT allowed to change teams you just watched a whole video on this and somehow missed all the important points
@Virgile77777 Hilliaster had to switch teams because his team could only be played like that. I didn't go into detail, but the point is the same. They pressured him to play differently which meant he had to change teams. He said he knew doing that meant losing. This doesn't change much anyway.
Not the player's fault if it already exists from the very beginning, it will get exploited eventually. If it doesn't exist but the players exploit it (Glitch, hack or whatever) now that's the player's fault
Not a good take. First of all, everyone has collectively gotten better at games in general. With the help of guides and things like UA-cam, you can have information on a game before it even officially releases. The only difference is that if someone found an exploit back in the day, they wouldn’t tell anyone and would keep it to themselves. Exploits are only in the game because of the developers. The players are only playing by the rules of the game.
French is such an amazing culture! It's so rich and filled with interesting history! My 3 all-time favorite words of French origin are Surrender, Abandon, and Retreat! :D
The fact people find a way to say this is ok is the reason why this game is gonna die faster than we think, nobody wants to play against someone running the whole match and I get this is the top of the top so you not gonna find people like this all the time but they are out there and even the spamming addicts and other cheese tactics people just say “it’s in the game so why not” that’s the dumbest and lamest shit I’ve ever heard and at that point how good are you really if you rely on exploits to help you win instead of actual skill, idk ig im yapping🤦🏾♂️
If super smash bros can be competitive this game can to, its a matter of realizing there is a market and playerbase there who wants to get better/good at the game. Ranked exists for that purpose, so i say bandai needs some changes as even in casual play vanish wars, unblockable ults and give punishments for strong skills like afterimage strike and instant sparking. I find the fun in improving too even if im no pro player but even casuals dont like how powerful some stuff is. As for the game supposed to be broken arguement then if thats the case ssj4 gogeta and super vegito should not be the best characters that should be whis, beerus and ui goku with the game supposed to be broken/unbalanced arguement. Using someone as strong as fp jiren, ui goku, ssj4 gogeta and super vegito feels boring like an instant win button most cases in my opinion still like the game alot. And yes there should be counterplay to flying up and down like maybe slowing it down or something. Or specifically going up and down drains alot more ki
I like the concept of the game but under the hood there are SO many issues 😭 this just MAGNIFIES that the game is broken to the point where TOs are in their feelings about the level of lame this game allows 🤣
While its true that the game isnt competitive and that changes arent necessarily that necessary... Strategies like this, and how effective they are, is a bit concerning designwise. A change to them would be very much welcome. But I don't say this in favor of balance or meta or anything, I say this in favor of just pure fun. Doesn't matter if it becomes broken as well, provided its much more fun to fight with, and against.
Has anyone seen the last Smash 4 EVO Grand Finals? Two players who knew each other decided to basically troll grand finals by holding Bayonetta's neutral special at opposite ends of the stage. It was a game of chicken; the player who tried to approach first would get hit and be in a *slight* disadvantage. Both players were warned with a yellow card for stalling and continued trolling the tournament in different ways until one of them won. Now obviously a few key details and context are different, but what I want to focus on here is the idea of stalling. By the competitive Smash scene's definition: **Stalling is any deliberate attempt to avoid conflict and waste time, with the goal of making the game unplayable or winning a match by going to time out** This is fine to do in short bursts, or intentionally playing slower to run the clock, but the basic idea is that stalling tries to use unhittable or nearly unhittable techniques to run the clock for an extended period of time. Basically, the tournament wants some real interaction even if your end goal is a time out. This is the true problem with each player's gameplay. They were admittedly deliberately stalling for long stretches of time using techniques that were clearly unintended, and cutting as much interaction out of their gameplay as possible. Is this a problem with the game? Absolutely, but that's why we have rulesets. Buried in a .pdf on Bamco's website you can find the following language: **i. Cheating, colluding with other Players, hacking, using exploits, or any other behavior aimed at obtaining an unfair advantage or disrupting the operation of Tournaments.** **ix. Engaging in any other behavior deemed by the Tournament Group to be inappropriate or otherwise tampers with gameplay and operation of Tournament events. ** The flying tech is absolutely an exploit, and I'm sure the players know that. It also qualifies as stalling and disrupting the flow of the tournament since neither player even wants to interact properly until time. Bandai wanted a fun show, not exploit awareness month. That much should be obvious. I didn't want to defend Bandai here, but as someone who has organized tournaments before this type of situation would make me rip my hair out.
Rules 1 and 9 that you linked are completely subjective and this isn't even a tech its the fact that Gero and Android 20 have infinite Ki. If utilizing a character's passive kit is exploiting then more characters in this game need to be checked i.e. fusing or transforming to bypass character cost should also be seen as an exploit. Diaphone, a fighting game player, did a Sparking Zero tournament where those characters were banned specifically because they could run infinitely. Why didn't the official tournament do the same? Also, a player specifically asks if they can run to time and didn't get any pushback from TOs beforehand. You really can't blames the players here, blame the game and the rules.
Your own example hurts your narrative. Because in Smash the players where given a yellow card and warned. In Sparking they were immediately threatened with DQ but not told to stop playing that way in clear words. They literally didn’t have a no stalling rule so they had to use vauge other rules to dq the competiters after the tournament
@@Mapple-qp6yg Tournaments have different ways of dealing with things like that. Also, it's not that vague. You know that you shouldn't play any official match that way intrinsically. In my example I noted the fact that the two players continued trolling for the entire Grand Finals, and while they didn't technically break any rules that could be determined on stage they obviously knew they shouldn't have played that way. That was EVO, while this is an official showing run by Bandai Namco. They'd be even more cutthroat. To quote another comment, "The French play did it intentionally to highlight the flaws in this game's competitive scene." This is obviously disrupting the flow of the tournament cut and dry. It could also be seen as colluding.
@@OseiTheWarriors There is an incredible difference between asking if you can run to time and intentionally playing with zero interaction. Going for time is normally fine, although I'll admit it'd be annoying to have every set go to its absolute time limit from an organizer's perspective. Anyway, playing with zero interaction is frowned upon because it doesn't look good. Even if you can say "moving would put me in disadvantage" like the smash players technically could it's still seen as gratuitous. A19 and Gero are using an exploit because it creates scenario where the game is unplayable for a much more complex reason than character cost. It has to do with the game's tracking system, not the character's ki. The ki is what enables it for those characters, sure, but the tracking is the meat of the problem. In Smash Brawl Meta Knight could become basically unhittable by spamming his down special in a certain way. You're using his down special and the intended invulnerability associated with it, but the problem is that you're obviously trying to make the game unplayable so that you can run the clock after getting a single hit. Anyone would see this as a problem for tournaments, but it would be especially asinine to try and pull it off with all eyes on you at a Nintendo event (if they had any). They'd try to prevent you from doing it any means necessary. I'll quote the top comment as I did for another reply, "The French play did it intentionally to highlight the flaws in this game's competitive scene." You don't need explicit rules prohibiting stalling (I still believe they should add them, though) to know that the company selling the game is going to stop you from doing that. The rules I listed are fine to get that point across.
My heart goes out to Akira Toriyama. I think everyone involved with this game and the tournament dropped the ball. More focused on optics then actually making a good game for us to enjoy. When we exploit, we get punished?
Isn't the point of a fighting game to fight?! Wtf do we genuinely call this shit cause the whole purpose of the game is completely lost at this point. Aside from this, the game is a hot mess. I truly hope they fix the majority of the problems. A dream come true is quickly becoming nothing short of a nightmare.
Android 19 and 20 problem is that they dashing up and down. It doesn't cause them to lose ki in comparison to other characters. In old tenkachi games, it did.
Man Bandai saw it now fix it…. If this plays so much other issues with this game is not fixed and adjusted with the December patch then we’ll know how they truly feel about the fanbase and their consumers
I think they should have the characters balanced for ranked and let you pick between balanced or lore accurate for World Tournament, Casual/custom lobby, or offline. It's been done before.
I don't get the issue if nothing was established in the rules. If the Devs have an issue as to how the game is played, either implement rules or fix it. This game needs lots of fixes in its current state: - rage quitting point/rank penalties - toxic gameplay elements such as ki spam, ki-less dashes for androids, instant sparking for no drawbacks etc. - fixing certain moves that don't work as intended or are straight up bugs - balancing ranked play. Sure the game itself can be unbalanced but points shouldn't be. Give players that win against higher dp characters with lower ones more points and let them lose less points for losing and vise verca. Imo that makes it more fair and encouraging to put the effort in and play lower dp characters instead of the same 6-7 characters or so. I just hope they'll improve many things soon since I love the tenkaichi series besides traditional FGs and it would suck to pass on it just for the current state the game is in.
TO's should've been more specific about what "playing seriously" means. Could've avoided this entire mess. Although they probably didn't want to outright ban it though as not to make a decision without Bandai Namco's input. But that backfired.
This is a fighting game man, it’s little fighting, this why people are laughing at our community. This is definitely a glitch and needs to be fixed. In BT3 the androids lost ki when they used dragon dash
32:38 bro is really salty I called him out about it. I'm dead. But in all seriousness, I see it as a weird double standard where if they are gonna DQ Shiryu and Hillia, why not GBG? I totally get that if it was a mistake, its a mistake, but he should have notified a TO about it and at least restarted the match where he used items. He's shown no proof of said message where he asked Mirages if he wanted to rematch because of him using items. Neither has Mirages said anything about it either. Overall, its a huge mess and I'm just trying to advocate for tournament staff to enforce the rules especially when it comes to items because it says so blatantly since the start of the tourneys that "items are not allowed".
How about they put out a video and tips of how to get around the tech certain beams follow straight up, my friend knocked that up and down out of me cause he beat it. Teach us how to get around it or admit you haven’t played your game idk but this doesn’t sit well.
I like you but bragging about running an online tournament with exploits like that on delay based netcode isn't the flex you think it is. This game isn't made for competitive fighters.
Imagine this was a football match (a friendly to accommodate the 'SZ is nawt competitive' bros), and both teams just took the ball to the corner flag for 90-minutes and did absolutely nothing. How in any way can this be justified? The rules don't say you can't do it, but that's because it's never been done before. Rules in any sporting event are invented based on what the organisers think most people would attempt to do, to circumvent rules or cheat the system. This is not any different. Who in their right mind could imagine that both players would pick androids and do a childish ploy to get attention. Only gamers would accept this as 'they've done nothing wrong' lol.
I just don't know why people are suprised. You can't advocate and beg for an unbalanced mess to being back nostalgia from your childhood. And then try to implement any type of serious competitive scene with said game. This was bound to happen. I don't think anyone ever could have predicted something this extreme. But there was bound to be something that set off this exact discussion.
So they were deadass playing like that just to win ? Not to show the problems with the game ? Thats not serious on shyryu and hillasteur part, these two players are toxic asf💀 deserved to me
GBG is a clown. Dude literally cheated and got away with it. He definitely did it on purpose imo and even if he didn't, he should've been banned anyway for breaking the rules
French players wanted to show something and Bandai as the clowns they are, just gave a point to the French players, they were right to do that, they only think about money and the image this reflect to the player that wanted to maybe buy the game, they just played the game and get punish by the game horribly designed, they just played tournament as they should’ve, in others hand they did quickly nerf yajirobe but can’t fix the ragequit problem, like why ? They prioritize the things we don’t care about and just ignore the real problems
I’m glad the game got completely embarrassed on a world stage 😂 it’s broken, buggy, and unbalanced in ways that it shouldn’t be (I don’t even mean character power levels the MECHANICS aren’t even balanced) I was hype for this game when it came out but it’s been such a jank experience that I’m questioning my childhood on whether I even liked Budokai as a kid 💀
time stalling ruins matches and is a very toxic tacit in tournaments for any fighting game and the ref made the right choice to warn the players to stop stalling the clock,they need to just ban hammer time stalling to avoid this issue in the future
Shiryu literally asking the T.O in cord but gets ghosted and then they dq'ed both competitors for a rule they didn't share to their competitors i mean it's both players and to's fault since 1 the to didn't mention any specific restrictions and then randomly blurting out that boht players are collaborating in which case its not since the players know what their doing to literally avoid a mistake that would cost a round or match. As for the players i mean stalling is good but at the same time they should at least try to engage combat to where the tournament can be appealing to watch
Everything that is bad about this game comes from how broken and unbalanced competitive play is. And competitive play is the majority of the fucking game. They spent 5 years on this shit. Budokai was never meant to be competitive and making rules outside the game is slapping a bandaid on a huge problem.
No one does this in Z rank because it is the lamest shit ever and only sweats in tournament would try it. I get the game is flawed but you all have brains and chose to play like this
No fighting game in a tournament setting that i am aware of is played without a time limit. Basically this is the same of "If i had wheels id be a tractor". You are not a tractor, you cant be a tractor no matter how hard you try. Stalling for the timer is always a strat in fighting games but usually there is counterplay around it. Sparking Zero for some asinine reason DOESNT HAVE a reliable counter to stalling
@@MeowLesty that's why I say this game is not a competitive game that's why I have 200 hours on the game mainly playing customs I honestly think they made this tournament just to figure out what they needed to fix not really because the game is competitive Truthfully I don't think people realize that there's a lot of exploitable ish inside of all the other old games raging Blast 2 had crazy BS exploitable techniques I will say that the developers did not think about this day and age caring more about a online multiplayer seen That's why I think they're trying to fix it
For my belief and this is a personal thought, when they mentioned change playstyle, they legit meant, how they were playing with the character and from what I see, one of the players did not change they're playstyle while the other did change. In my case, I would be on the side of blame both, players for using said strategy even if it's the meta, you have a responsibility and an option of not using it, especially on the grand finals like they did, they maybe weren't aware to's were gonna say play seriously, since they didn't know, which yes it's a mistake on the to's and on Bandai for not being aware when they had time to learn and figure it out. But the players have a responsibility and if you play in a way that isn't intended which I do believe they didn't intended for the Androids to be played this way, then that is hands on the player as well. Banning both is a bit punishing since only one player in actuality did change they're playstyle. Playstyle does not equal character, since you can play a character in maybe different ways. The winner maybe should have been fine being banned, again they warned to play seriously and even though by the players thought it was a serious playstyle, when for the to's were like, that's not serious is more of just trolling. Again that's also the point of view of perspective, now for me, as I said, I do believe the winner being banned is fair in a way to show that playstyle isn't allowed and if you are playing the androids, just do not do that and you will be fine. The player who lost, maybe should have been given a second chance but kept an eye to not play in the same style he did in the tournament since he changed characters and did lose to the strategy. Now my opinion on the last thing. Sparking Zero having a tournament this early by Bandai is a huge mistake for me, this is more since we know there are different issues with the game, different strategies that maybe were not intended by the devs, and the bug and glitches and exploiting strategies, those should have been balanced out and worked out before hand, since we don't know how much the sparking balance changes will impact the game and playstyle people have. I think first fix the issues and resolve those and then do a tournament. Again just my opinion but I think the players do need to be careful and how they play and if the to's say play seriously, actually fight and not just do these type of strategies since that is what they are looking at, not necessarily the character itself.
IDGAF how all these youtubers want to spin it around, what they did is dumb, boring. And yea it shouldn’t be allowed. They should definitely get DQ. We all react the same way when watching boxing or MMA. When they win in a BA way. We dont like em and people dont want to see them fight. Same thing here we dont wanna see this lame gameplay, we wanna see an actual match back and forth fighting.
Hello Globku , i m Taika i meet you at UFA and i make top 8 at the france tournament, thanks you to make this video, i just want to tell you for Hilliasteur and shiryu are not the best players in france 🇫🇷 and they cheating the whole tournament, sow yes i agree with you its not the fault of shiryu and hilliasteur but its a Dev fault cause they dont ban this glitch form the beginning, just for me cause a Dev tell me 2 days ago before tournament start , all Glitch is banned immediately but the same one tell me after all is not banned , like wtf its okey but whyyyy !?
@d00styTV yes it is. To go to this extent of cheese to win in a video game. How on earth can you look at yourself in the mirror and not hate yourself. You noobs are built different.
Lmfao defending this is crazy DQ was necessary. if you need to EXPLOIT a function in the game to win that’s wild. I would understand if you did it the one game to prove a point how bad it is which is valid it’s the top scene yet to do it again is crazy xD To take a FIGHTING game and turn it to a who can SURVIVE the time is just disgusting to the fans of dragon ball and the fans of fighting games. Smh players like these make it so people don’t wanna watch it. How can we grow as a community if they aren’t fighting with honor? It’s like NBA MLB And any other sport. Games are becoming a sport. So to see something so loved tarnished cuz players wanna EXPLOIT to win and call it a STRATEGY sucks man. He broke the hidden ultimate rule as a gamer and that’s to play fair with honor. Yet just seems like most of y’all ain’t got that in today’s. Sorry not sorry but as a fan of sports and video games you gotta play with honor and hold yourself up with dignity.
Issue is the game not players. Majority of games have legitimate counters for cheese tactics like this, Sparking Zero has like 2 that are extremely unreliable. Money is on the line and I bet if you could win 500 bucks by running away for 6 minutes you would do the same thing
@ I would not tbh I like winning with skill and having fun while showing a viewer a good time not my style. Issue is the player EXPLOITING it like in sports is it the games fault if someone uses steroids? No it’s the players DECISION to make. Winning by any means necessary. I agree this shii needed to be seen yet after match 1 he could’ve dropped it and played the game how it was meant to be played for a FIGHTING game for the dragon ball fans! And I peeped how he played the entire tourney he cheeses his way thru. But again this is a showcase for the developers to see this type of shii so they can make the game better. But blaming the game for players DECISIONS to EXPLOIT is crazy. Yes means the game needs to be patched in ways yet still Isn’t an excuse for a player to exploit so they can win. Just a big sigh
If Basketball didn’t have rules requiring you to dribble. Would you dribble? No you wouldn’t because it wouldn’t be the best way to play under those circumstances. Bandai doesn’t know what the fuck the best way to play is on their own game. And gets mad at the players who use the tools available for them
@@Mapple-qp6yg the gamer code just like when they have those unspoken rules you just don’t do in sports cuz it’s cheesy. It’s the pride you have to entertain others without exploiting something for your benefit. You showcase as a true gamer you can get it from the mud or a true player of any sport. It’s the passion involved in the gameplay yanno man people like syrus take that heart away from the game kill the joy of it. Again look at all his matches he cheeses a lot throughout the whole thing. I’m glad he got banned as a champion and someone that represents your nation it was disgraceful. I like with what he was doing show casing the problems in the first finales match but after that he continued to do it and I saw how he got to the finals…it was just pure shit play by him. It’s a fighting game man not a survival game.
@@Zayyplayy Steroids are a false equivalency since those are banned in the majority of sports and aren't built into the games themselves. They are not banned by gentleman's agreement but instead are literally codified to be banned. These "exploits" in SZ are built-in and weren't banned, nor have they been patched in any way, and they are FAR FAR easier to combat compared to steroids/doping in general. The game actively allows them to do that without consequence, it's directly built-in, and it's technically a very good strategy to win, even if it's scummy. Also, cheese is subjective and I think like 50% of ppl crying about cheese just have skill issues.
The objective is to win. Wat they did was the most optimal way to win. If they don't want that to be a viable way to win, then it's on them to change it.
@@HuskySansVergogneyou z dash to them shoot blasts because they curve and follow use teleportation, grabs solar flare, sparking mode there are unblockables and there are fast rush attacks
He said they're good enough to z-vanish everything. It's extremely difficult to catch an Android (with passive ki regen) dashing up and down, because they can do it infinitely. Stop pretending to know what you're talking about.
Imagine disqualifying players for taking advantage of something that is present in the game. The French player did it intentionally to highlight the flaws in this game's competitive scene. The tournament organization was a mess, and they failed to establish proper rules. This game isn't designed for competitive play. The devs even said it.
I agree that this game isnt competitive and should not be seen as such. However, if the most viable strategy isnt fun, thats a game design fault. This goes for PVE as well
This game honestly could be competitively viable just fix the vanish wars, give punishments like ki staggers to the instant sparking and afterimage/afterimage strike moves so on. I seen really cool stuff in the my hero academia ones justice tournaments, hell demon slayer was quite decent too. There is a market as there is no other good competition in the arena fighter fighting game space. Yes its made for casuals but i really thinknit could do well if balanced in some areas that even casual players get annoyed by. Or at least exclusive tunings for ranked mode since that is where competitive players/sweats go. There is room for both look at street fighter, casual or competitive it works for both players too
“Not designed for competitive play” is never an excuse for bad game design
@@8bitdiedie great comment more should hear this
The devs never said the game isn't for competitive play, they said it's not balanced - big difference.
literally just make a no stalling rule. worked for melee, works for sparking zero.
Agreed
or never change characters/no time limit
Remove the time limit and character swapping imo - you should be stuck with each fighter until they die
Make the time for changing longer each time you switch out, aswell as health bar should not get regenerated.
The argument of "it's not competitive, it's supposed to be unbalanced" is too easy to throw around.
This is beyond unbalanced
It’s just lazy. Shocking how titles that have so much hype behind them like this and starwars battlefront 2 fail to take any community input before hand. Rage bait
You guys never played Elden ring PVP it's funny because there are so many things in that game that you cannot get away from me and my friend was completely even in hand-to-hand combat as soon as he started using certain types of magic that I just couldn't Dodge from or roll out of unless I had the perfect frame for the exact thing to counter his move you are dead
But nobody talks about that game you know why because it's not competitive
It's a single player game
I barely hop on PVP I completely stay on world library and custom battles simply because even if the online was amazing you're only option is to win or lose I'd rather make a story and win or lose you get nothing real out of video games anyway I'm more mad that they decided to host a tournament that was not more about CPU vs CPU or who can make the hardest custom battle and if they really needed to make a PVP battle they should have just added more rules show techniques like this would have just gotten you DQ ( IF YOU HIT BELOW THE BELT IN BOXING YOU GET DISQUALIFIED ) I believe the same thing can be said here. At the end of the day people are taking this game way out of what the series was at least for me when I was growing up I never cared about fighting anybody else because I was too busy trying to make the CPU harder to fight because had a lot of ways you can do that and the online for rb2 was terrible and I had nobody good to fight with when it came to bt3
@LordSiah Funny because I actually played ER pvp a lot with a friend.
Nobody talked about elden ring pvp? That's completely wrong, elden ring pvp was a mess and the pvp portion of the playerbase was very vocal about it.
Spike/Bandai choose to make the game competitive when they shouldn't have. They say the game is made for fun, that it will be lore accurate regarding the power gap of the characters, but at the same time they give you a ranked pvp mode and organize an international tournament.
That's on them, not the players fault if they want to take it seriously.
@LordSiah Huh?, your comparing elden ring, a single player game, where the focus is pve to sparking zero where the whole point of the game is to fight people. Bandai namco made a tournament for sparking zero, and not elden ring for a reason. Because they chose to make a sparking zero tournament they obviously want people to see that the game could be competetive in some way, but then it ended up highlighting the cheese within the game. They banned players for abusing a tactic bandai themselves allowed to be in the game. The game has broken mechanics they implemented and they punish players for abusing the broken mechanics😂. They obviously don't know whether they want this game to be competetive or not.
@HuskySansVergogne tbf I got the game really late so I didn't hear the discourse but I still believe it's dumb to complain about PVP especially in a game like that it's not meant for it when me and my fought I would literally say bro stop using magic until I got my magic up and then we was fighting on the same level lol it's the same way in this game
I do agree that they should have never done a tournament though
so if i quit a game because someone is ki spamming me with broly , by their definition, that person should actually lose points and not have their win count....... because of the way that they played the game.....
Skill issue
Rage bait
@@therealjahovasthickness that’s not a skill issue. That’s a broken mechanic. This game need to make lobbies where you can see your opponents win loss ratio And what character do they like to use.
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Welcome to dei
100% yes
It werid when they know the whole game is not really competitive and ban both player's without even giving a reason like they literally said this game will not be balanced like if they care that much balanced the game even know they pretty much can't
The classic saying. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" No way in hell I will ever take Sparking Zero seriously and competitive. Now will you excuse me, i will turn off my brain and play Vegito.
Ppl are still blaming the players Dragon Ball fans aren't beating the allegations lol
What allegations?
That they can't read?
Or they don't watch their own show?
@@tariqomer4678no, specially not og db
@@tariqomer4678 Being stupid in general I think
@@tariqomer4678 b o t h
Stalling is banned in every fighting game, you guys are genuinely slow
You know how you come across strange rules that you think, "Why would anyone do that?"
'Don't stand outside the pool and pee into the water.' Type.
This is the reason. "No stalling wasn't written down! No rule breaks! Fix game!" ...brother, come on now.
The biggest thing is the fact that the tournament organizers didn't establish said rules to be applied in the tournament, many people agree they didn't do anything wrong in their gameplay and if they did know not to do that they would not have gone out and done it anyways if it was going to lead to a DQ.
Stalling is banned in every fighting game for obvious reasons
did... did the TO's forgot this tournament is too allow Bandai to see what they should fix/adjust in the game
why do people keep forgetting Bandai said so... i do not know O.O
its a mixed bag, as businesses go, everything isnt dandy as it seems, the invitation to show dirt on the game does not mean to push it into the mud, its gotta be presentable and all that.
Hillister switched his play style and shiyu didn’t….he shouldn’t have been disqualified because he did try to listen while the other player continued to play like that.
They contacted Hilliaster behind the scenes to tell him to change his team or else he'll be disqualified. A lot happened behind the scenes and there's an interview with both finalists (who are friends) explaining their POV.
It's in French, though.
They told them to play seriously not switch teams + there's a rule that the winner is NOT allowed to change teams you just watched a whole video on this and somehow missed all the important points
Neither should be banned. This is how you play to the game optimally. Dont have a competitive tournament in a non-competitive game.
@Virgile77777 Hilliaster had to switch teams because his team could only be played like that. I didn't go into detail, but the point is the same. They pressured him to play differently which meant he had to change teams. He said he knew doing that meant losing. This doesn't change much anyway.
@@dukewells241No moron, it's literally banned to stalling in every fighting game. You can't just run an entire match 😂 ask smash players about it
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Remember when games were fun before people played them all day and night to find exploits to take the fun out of it?
Not the player's fault if it already exists from the very beginning, it will get exploited eventually. If it doesn't exist but the players exploit it (Glitch, hack or whatever) now that's the player's fault
Not a good take. First of all, everyone has collectively gotten better at games in general. With the help of guides and things like UA-cam, you can have information on a game before it even officially releases.
The only difference is that if someone found an exploit back in the day, they wouldn’t tell anyone and would keep it to themselves.
Exploits are only in the game because of the developers. The players are only playing by the rules of the game.
This is just bad optics on its face.
French is such an amazing culture! It's so rich and filled with interesting history! My 3 all-time favorite words of French origin are Surrender, Abandon, and Retreat! :D
The fact people find a way to say this is ok is the reason why this game is gonna die faster than we think, nobody wants to play against someone running the whole match and I get this is the top of the top so you not gonna find people like this all the time but they are out there and even the spamming addicts and other cheese tactics people just say “it’s in the game so why not” that’s the dumbest and lamest shit I’ve ever heard and at that point how good are you really if you rely on exploits to help you win instead of actual skill, idk ig im yapping🤦🏾♂️
If super smash bros can be competitive this game can to, its a matter of realizing there is a market and playerbase there who wants to get better/good at the game. Ranked exists for that purpose, so i say bandai needs some changes as even in casual play vanish wars, unblockable ults and give punishments for strong skills like afterimage strike and instant sparking. I find the fun in improving too even if im no pro player but even casuals dont like how powerful some stuff is. As for the game supposed to be broken arguement then if thats the case ssj4 gogeta and super vegito should not be the best characters that should be whis, beerus and ui goku with the game supposed to be broken/unbalanced arguement. Using someone as strong as fp jiren, ui goku, ssj4 gogeta and super vegito feels boring like an instant win button most cases in my opinion still like the game alot. And yes there should be counterplay to flying up and down like maybe slowing it down or something. Or specifically going up and down drains alot more ki
I like the concept of the game but under the hood there are SO many issues 😭 this just MAGNIFIES that the game is broken to the point where TOs are in their feelings about the level of lame this game allows 🤣
While its true that the game isnt competitive and that changes arent necessarily that necessary... Strategies like this, and how effective they are, is a bit concerning designwise. A change to them would be very much welcome. But I don't say this in favor of balance or meta or anything, I say this in favor of just pure fun. Doesn't matter if it becomes broken as well, provided its much more fun to fight with, and against.
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This is literally Footsies change my mind.
Has anyone seen the last Smash 4 EVO Grand Finals? Two players who knew each other decided to basically troll grand finals by holding Bayonetta's neutral special at opposite ends of the stage. It was a game of chicken; the player who tried to approach first would get hit and be in a *slight* disadvantage. Both players were warned with a yellow card for stalling and continued trolling the tournament in different ways until one of them won.
Now obviously a few key details and context are different, but what I want to focus on here is the idea of stalling. By the competitive Smash scene's definition:
**Stalling is any deliberate attempt to avoid conflict and waste time, with the goal of making the game unplayable or winning a match by going to time out**
This is fine to do in short bursts, or intentionally playing slower to run the clock, but the basic idea is that stalling tries to use unhittable or nearly unhittable techniques to run the clock for an extended period of time. Basically, the tournament wants some real interaction even if your end goal is a time out.
This is the true problem with each player's gameplay. They were admittedly deliberately stalling for long stretches of time using techniques that were clearly unintended, and cutting as much interaction out of their gameplay as possible. Is this a problem with the game? Absolutely, but that's why we have rulesets. Buried in a .pdf on Bamco's website you can find the following language:
**i. Cheating, colluding with other Players, hacking, using exploits, or any other behavior aimed at obtaining an unfair advantage or disrupting the operation of Tournaments.**
**ix. Engaging in any other behavior deemed by the Tournament Group to be inappropriate or otherwise tampers with gameplay and operation of Tournament events.
**
The flying tech is absolutely an exploit, and I'm sure the players know that. It also qualifies as stalling and disrupting the flow of the tournament since neither player even wants to interact properly until time. Bandai wanted a fun show, not exploit awareness month. That much should be obvious.
I didn't want to defend Bandai here, but as someone who has organized tournaments before this type of situation would make me rip my hair out.
Good comment. I think we all know intrinsically, this wasn't the move.
Rules 1 and 9 that you linked are completely subjective and this isn't even a tech its the fact that Gero and Android 20 have infinite Ki.
If utilizing a character's passive kit is exploiting then more characters in this game need to be checked i.e. fusing or transforming to bypass character cost should also be seen as an exploit.
Diaphone, a fighting game player, did a Sparking Zero tournament where those characters were banned specifically because they could run infinitely. Why didn't the official tournament do the same?
Also, a player specifically asks if they can run to time and didn't get any pushback from TOs beforehand.
You really can't blames the players here, blame the game and the rules.
Your own example hurts your narrative. Because in Smash the players where given a yellow card and warned.
In Sparking they were immediately threatened with DQ but not told to stop playing that way in clear words.
They literally didn’t have a no stalling rule so they had to use vauge other rules to dq the competiters after the tournament
@@Mapple-qp6yg Tournaments have different ways of dealing with things like that. Also, it's not that vague. You know that you shouldn't play any official match that way intrinsically. In my example I noted the fact that the two players continued trolling for the entire Grand Finals, and while they didn't technically break any rules that could be determined on stage they obviously knew they shouldn't have played that way.
That was EVO, while this is an official showing run by Bandai Namco. They'd be even more cutthroat. To quote another comment, "The French play did it intentionally to highlight the flaws in this game's competitive scene." This is obviously disrupting the flow of the tournament cut and dry. It could also be seen as colluding.
@@OseiTheWarriors There is an incredible difference between asking if you can run to time and intentionally playing with zero interaction. Going for time is normally fine, although I'll admit it'd be annoying to have every set go to its absolute time limit from an organizer's perspective. Anyway, playing with zero interaction is frowned upon because it doesn't look good. Even if you can say "moving would put me in disadvantage" like the smash players technically could it's still seen as gratuitous.
A19 and Gero are using an exploit because it creates scenario where the game is unplayable for a much more complex reason than character cost. It has to do with the game's tracking system, not the character's ki. The ki is what enables it for those characters, sure, but the tracking is the meat of the problem. In Smash Brawl Meta Knight could become basically unhittable by spamming his down special in a certain way. You're using his down special and the intended invulnerability associated with it, but the problem is that you're obviously trying to make the game unplayable so that you can run the clock after getting a single hit. Anyone would see this as a problem for tournaments, but it would be especially asinine to try and pull it off with all eyes on you at a Nintendo event (if they had any). They'd try to prevent you from doing it any means necessary.
I'll quote the top comment as I did for another reply, "The French play did it intentionally to highlight the flaws in this game's competitive scene." You don't need explicit rules prohibiting stalling (I still believe they should add them, though) to know that the company selling the game is going to stop you from doing that. The rules I listed are fine to get that point across.
My heart goes out to Akira Toriyama. I think everyone involved with this game and the tournament dropped the ball. More focused on optics then actually making a good game for us to enjoy. When we exploit, we get punished?
Isn't the point of a fighting game to fight?! Wtf do we genuinely call this shit cause the whole purpose of the game is completely lost at this point. Aside from this, the game is a hot mess. I truly hope they fix the majority of the problems. A dream come true is quickly becoming nothing short of a nightmare.
Unfun dead game lol
Gonna be playing the dead game today actually
Yea me to
You can call it unfun since it is an opinion but it is a fact that it isnt dead.
I wish we’d get a new gundam evolution. I found out about it like 3 months before it shut down.
These tournaments are going to be hilarious.
This is exactly what I knew would happen😂. Vertical movement was op in Raging Blast 2 as well
I like globku…too
I think they should have a clear ban list if I remember smash did even tho smash is not a competitive game
"smash is not a competitive game"?
What the fuck, smash is a competitive game
No he’s right. Smash is a party game that was turned into a competitive game by the players.
Android 19 and 20 problem is that they dashing up and down. It doesn't cause them to lose ki in comparison to other characters. In old tenkachi games, it did.
Oh no.
Anyways.
14:04 “go win tournaments then come back to me” 😂 dead game walking yall
Man Bandai saw it now fix it…. If this plays so much other issues with this game is not fixed and adjusted with the December patch then we’ll know how they truly feel about the fanbase and their consumers
I think they should have the characters balanced for ranked and let you pick between balanced or lore accurate for World Tournament, Casual/custom lobby, or offline. It's been done before.
I don't get the issue if nothing was established in the rules. If the Devs have an issue as to how the game is played, either implement rules or fix it. This game needs lots of fixes in its current state:
- rage quitting point/rank penalties
- toxic gameplay elements such as ki spam, ki-less dashes for androids, instant sparking for no drawbacks etc.
- fixing certain moves that don't work as intended or are straight up bugs
- balancing ranked play. Sure the game itself can be unbalanced but points shouldn't be. Give players that win against higher dp characters with lower ones more points and let them lose less points for losing and vise verca. Imo that makes it more fair and encouraging to put the effort in and play lower dp characters instead of the same 6-7 characters or so.
I just hope they'll improve many things soon since I love the tenkaichi series besides traditional FGs and it would suck to pass on it just for the current state the game is in.
20:20 recently they had the My hero ultra ruble tournament as a discord exclusive stream not on you tube not twitch just a discord presentation lol
I’m so glad I didn’t buy this game out of pure hype
TO's should've been more specific about what "playing seriously" means. Could've avoided this entire mess.
Although they probably didn't want to outright ban it though as not to make a decision without Bandai Namco's input. But that backfired.
Your tourney was bubu butter, too. Ui Goku, the game..
He wouldn’t cook me so no
This is a fighting game man, it’s little fighting, this why people are laughing at our community. This is definitely a glitch and needs to be fixed. In BT3 the androids lost ki when they used dragon dash
32:38 bro is really salty I called him out about it. I'm dead. But in all seriousness, I see it as a weird double standard where if they are gonna DQ Shiryu and Hillia, why not GBG? I totally get that if it was a mistake, its a mistake, but he should have notified a TO about it and at least restarted the match where he used items. He's shown no proof of said message where he asked Mirages if he wanted to rematch because of him using items. Neither has Mirages said anything about it either. Overall, its a huge mess and I'm just trying to advocate for tournament staff to enforce the rules especially when it comes to items because it says so blatantly since the start of the tourneys that "items are not allowed".
Correction: 21Mirages has come forward on X that GBG never offered him a rematch like he said he did.
How about they put out a video and tips of how to get around the tech certain beams follow straight up, my friend knocked that up and down out of me cause he beat it. Teach us how to get around it or admit you haven’t played your game idk but this doesn’t sit well.
This game isn't competitive. Idk why they think its ok to ban them when this is how to play the game optimally.
I like you but bragging about running an online tournament with exploits like that on delay based netcode isn't the flex you think it is. This game isn't made for competitive fighters.
Solution: Don't hold comp tournaments, character bans, stalling ban, etc. Completely the fault of TOs and devs
I don't like him, but I think his videos are mildly entertaining sometimes
12 hours later and it’s even worse lmao what a joooke
I need people to remember the budokai tenkaichi/raging blast format of game online is the reason Ultimate Tenkaichi exists.
What? Nobody gives af about UT….we expected something good out of that game but when we finally saw the gameplay it was a total letdown
@@c0wboys4life he was saying that abomination of a game existed because of the old game format
A double dq for playing optimally...
I am so glad i didn't waste a hundred euros on this.
Imagine this was a football match (a friendly to accommodate the 'SZ is nawt competitive' bros), and both teams just took the ball to the corner flag for 90-minutes and did absolutely nothing. How in any way can this be justified? The rules don't say you can't do it, but that's because it's never been done before.
Rules in any sporting event are invented based on what the organisers think most people would attempt to do, to circumvent rules or cheat the system. This is not any different.
Who in their right mind could imagine that both players would pick androids and do a childish ploy to get attention. Only gamers would accept this as 'they've done nothing wrong' lol.
I just don't know why people are suprised. You can't advocate and beg for an unbalanced mess to being back nostalgia from your childhood. And then try to implement any type of serious competitive scene with said game.
This was bound to happen. I don't think anyone ever could have predicted something this extreme. But there was bound to be something that set off this exact discussion.
Sparking Zero Sucks
Who would win, the entire Sparking Zero roster or Vukmir from A Serbian Film?
So they were deadass playing like that just to win ? Not to show the problems with the game ? Thats not serious on shyryu and hillasteur part, these two players are toxic asf💀 deserved to me
GBG is a clown. Dude literally cheated and got away with it. He definitely did it on purpose imo and even if he didn't, he should've been banned anyway for breaking the rules
French players wanted to show something and Bandai as the clowns they are, just gave a point to the French players, they were right to do that, they only think about money and the image this reflect to the player that wanted to maybe buy the game, they just played the game and get punish by the game horribly designed, they just played tournament as they should’ve, in others hand they did quickly nerf yajirobe but can’t fix the ragequit problem, like why ? They prioritize the things we don’t care about and just ignore the real problems
I’m glad the game got completely embarrassed on a world stage 😂 it’s broken, buggy, and unbalanced in ways that it shouldn’t be (I don’t even mean character power levels the MECHANICS aren’t even balanced) I was hype for this game when it came out but it’s been such a jank experience that I’m questioning my childhood on whether I even liked Budokai as a kid 💀
France is not the worst country? Let me check where is Ubisoft from
time stalling ruins matches and is a very toxic tacit in tournaments for any fighting game and the ref made the right choice to warn the players to stop stalling the clock,they need to just ban hammer time stalling to avoid this issue in the future
Shiryu literally asking the T.O in cord but gets ghosted and then they dq'ed both competitors for a rule they didn't share to their competitors i mean it's both players and to's fault since 1 the to didn't mention any specific restrictions and then randomly blurting out that boht players are collaborating in which case its not since the players know what their doing to literally avoid a mistake that would cost a round or match. As for the players i mean stalling is good but at the same time they should at least try to engage combat to where the tournament can be appealing to watch
Globtuah
Everything that is bad about this game comes from how broken and unbalanced competitive play is. And competitive play is the majority of the fucking game. They spent 5 years on this shit.
Budokai was never meant to be competitive and making rules outside the game is slapping a bandaid on a huge problem.
No one does this in Z rank because it is the lamest shit ever and only sweats in tournament would try it. I get the game is flawed but you all have brains and chose to play like this
If there was no time limit he would have lost ( depending on the knowledge of the opponent of course)
No fighting game in a tournament setting that i am aware of is played without a time limit.
Basically this is the same of "If i had wheels id be a tractor". You are not a tractor, you cant be a tractor no matter how hard you try.
Stalling for the timer is always a strat in fighting games but usually there is counterplay around it. Sparking Zero for some asinine reason DOESNT HAVE a reliable counter to stalling
@@MeowLesty that's why I say this game is not a competitive game that's why I have 200 hours on the game mainly playing customs
I honestly think they made this tournament just to figure out what they needed to fix not really because the game is competitive
Truthfully I don't think people realize that there's a lot of exploitable ish inside of all the other old games raging Blast 2 had crazy BS exploitable techniques I will say that the developers did not think about this day and age caring more about a online multiplayer seen
That's why I think they're trying to fix it
For my belief and this is a personal thought, when they mentioned change playstyle, they legit meant, how they were playing with the character and from what I see, one of the players did not change they're playstyle while the other did change. In my case, I would be on the side of blame both, players for using said strategy even if it's the meta, you have a responsibility and an option of not using it, especially on the grand finals like they did, they maybe weren't aware to's were gonna say play seriously, since they didn't know, which yes it's a mistake on the to's and on Bandai for not being aware when they had time to learn and figure it out. But the players have a responsibility and if you play in a way that isn't intended which I do believe they didn't intended for the Androids to be played this way, then that is hands on the player as well. Banning both is a bit punishing since only one player in actuality did change they're playstyle. Playstyle does not equal character, since you can play a character in maybe different ways. The winner maybe should have been fine being banned, again they warned to play seriously and even though by the players thought it was a serious playstyle, when for the to's were like, that's not serious is more of just trolling. Again that's also the point of view of perspective, now for me, as I said, I do believe the winner being banned is fair in a way to show that playstyle isn't allowed and if you are playing the androids, just do not do that and you will be fine. The player who lost, maybe should have been given a second chance but kept an eye to not play in the same style he did in the tournament since he changed characters and did lose to the strategy.
Now my opinion on the last thing. Sparking Zero having a tournament this early by Bandai is a huge mistake for me, this is more since we know there are different issues with the game, different strategies that maybe were not intended by the devs, and the bug and glitches and exploiting strategies, those should have been balanced out and worked out before hand, since we don't know how much the sparking balance changes will impact the game and playstyle people have. I think first fix the issues and resolve those and then do a tournament.
Again just my opinion but I think the players do need to be careful and how they play and if the to's say play seriously, actually fight and not just do these type of strategies since that is what they are looking at, not necessarily the character itself.
This is why Sparking Zero is dying. People love making everything competitive when it wasn't made to be. Competitive players ruined the game
IDGAF how all these youtubers want to spin it around, what they did is dumb, boring. And yea it shouldn’t be allowed. They should definitely get DQ. We all react the same way when watching boxing or MMA. When they win in a BA way. We dont like em and people dont want to see them fight. Same thing here we dont wanna see this lame gameplay, we wanna see an actual match back and forth fighting.
Mad?
Hello Globku , i m Taika i meet you at UFA and i make top 8 at the france tournament, thanks you to make this video, i just want to tell you for Hilliasteur and shiryu are not the best players in france 🇫🇷 and they cheating the whole tournament, sow yes i agree with you its not the fault of shiryu and hilliasteur but its a Dev fault cause they dont ban this glitch form the beginning, just for me cause a Dev tell me 2 days ago before tournament start , all
Glitch is banned immediately but the same one tell me after all is not banned , like wtf its okey but whyyyy !?
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Justifying this cheese saying it's efficient is just embarrassing. None of you deserve to play this game
while it was cheese, tournament forgot to said a rule against it
@@valentds show some humanity. Use common sense and some mutual respect. It's actually disgusting behavior.
@@afgunlionit's not that deep
@d00styTV yes it is. To go to this extent of cheese to win in a video game. How on earth can you look at yourself in the mirror and not hate yourself. You noobs are built different.
@@d00styTV someone just did this strategy on me online. A fake z rank player named unavailable
Don't cry shill the game is not that serious lol also you still mad at people who corrected on the bleach lore ✨ stay maaad
Lmfao defending this is crazy DQ was necessary. if you need to EXPLOIT a function in the game to win that’s wild. I would understand if you did it the one game to prove a point how bad it is which is valid it’s the top scene yet to do it again is crazy xD To take a FIGHTING game and turn it to a who can SURVIVE the time is just disgusting to the fans of dragon ball and the fans of fighting games. Smh players like these make it so people don’t wanna watch it. How can we grow as a community if they aren’t fighting with honor? It’s like NBA MLB And any other sport. Games are becoming a sport. So to see something so loved tarnished cuz players wanna EXPLOIT to win and call it a STRATEGY sucks man. He broke the hidden ultimate rule as a gamer and that’s to play fair with honor. Yet just seems like most of y’all ain’t got that in today’s. Sorry not sorry but as a fan of sports and video games you gotta play with honor and hold yourself up with dignity.
Issue is the game not players. Majority of games have legitimate counters for cheese tactics like this, Sparking Zero has like 2 that are extremely unreliable. Money is on the line and I bet if you could win 500 bucks by running away for 6 minutes you would do the same thing
@ I would not tbh I like winning with skill and having fun while showing a viewer a good time not my style. Issue is the player EXPLOITING it like in sports is it the games fault if someone uses steroids? No it’s the players DECISION to make. Winning by any means necessary. I agree this shii needed to be seen yet after match 1 he could’ve dropped it and played the game how it was meant to be played for a FIGHTING game for the dragon ball fans! And I peeped how he played the entire tourney he cheeses his way thru. But again this is a showcase for the developers to see this type of shii so they can make the game better. But blaming the game for players DECISIONS to EXPLOIT is crazy. Yes means the game needs to be patched in ways yet still Isn’t an excuse for a player to exploit so they can win. Just a big sigh
If Basketball didn’t have rules requiring you to dribble. Would you dribble? No you wouldn’t because it wouldn’t be the best way to play under those circumstances.
Bandai doesn’t know what the fuck the best way to play is on their own game. And gets mad at the players who use the tools available for them
@@Mapple-qp6yg the gamer code just like when they have those unspoken rules you just don’t do in sports cuz it’s cheesy. It’s the pride you have to entertain others without exploiting something for your benefit. You showcase as a true gamer you can get it from the mud or a true player of any sport. It’s the passion involved in the gameplay yanno man people like syrus take that heart away from the game kill the joy of it. Again look at all his matches he cheeses a lot throughout the whole thing. I’m glad he got banned as a champion and someone that represents your nation it was disgraceful. I like with what he was doing show casing the problems in the first finales match but after that he continued to do it and I saw how he got to the finals…it was just pure shit play by him. It’s a fighting game man not a survival game.
@@Zayyplayy Steroids are a false equivalency since those are banned in the majority of sports and aren't built into the games themselves. They are not banned by gentleman's agreement but instead are literally codified to be banned. These "exploits" in SZ are built-in and weren't banned, nor have they been patched in any way, and they are FAR FAR easier to combat compared to steroids/doping in general. The game actively allows them to do that without consequence, it's directly built-in, and it's technically a very good strategy to win, even if it's scummy. Also, cheese is subjective and I think like 50% of ppl crying about cheese just have skill issues.
To everyone who got mad at the TO's I'm going to say it now IF YOU PLAY LIKE A CLOWN DON'T GET MAD WHEN YOU GET SENT BACK TO THE CIRCUS
If you design the game like a clown, don’t be surprised when people play the game like a clown
So every players that used the kikoha spam + unblocable ult or that was using the bugged capsule should also get DQ, right ?
@HuskySansVergogne if you abuse bugs you should absolutely get DQ'd
You are very dense if you think he cared about being DQ'd. He only exposed this clown of a game bad design choices.
@@loganwernicke7604 these are not bug.
Only the capsule thing is a bug
I think they should be Dq bc it’s simply not entertaining it hurts the game if u good why play last ten seconds so dum
The objective is to win. Wat they did was the most optimal way to win. If they don't want that to be a viable way to win, then it's on them to change it.
Even without the andriod ki thing the game is still a mess. I haven't played in 2 weeks
It doesn’t “hurt” the game it exposes the truth. The game is an unbalanced mess that is not fun competitively.
@@Mapple-qp6yg it's not fun even at low level, believe it or not
It's even funnier considering if you know how to play the game it's so easy to catch a player dashing
How ?
@@HuskySansVergogneyou z dash to them shoot blasts because they curve and follow use teleportation, grabs solar flare, sparking mode there are unblockables and there are fast rush attacks
@TheGodlyGamerMugen the player who runs away can just react to all that, and then start again
He said they're good enough to z-vanish everything. It's extremely difficult to catch an Android (with passive ki regen) dashing up and down, because they can do it infinitely. Stop pretending to know what you're talking about.
@@TheGodlyGamerMugen player can still change their direction, they just have to do a normal dash to the side and the beam curve won’t catch them