sure thing. Thor brought Asgard to Earth and started having a heavy influence on the people of Earth in just about every way. People were converting to his religion, he was performing miracles, and he dismantled the Earth's armies if they attacked people of his religion or if they nettled in Asgardian affairs. He did a lot of good and he tried to help but the governments of Earth tried to get rid of him. They dropped a nuke on his head which just made him angry so he fully took over the planet
To everyone who doesn’t know, The odinforce In Thor’s possession is called the Thorforce so it’s practically Odins energy turned to Thor’s, it’s his power he had to control it otherwise he’d pretty much be a time bomb. Even without the Thor/Odinforce Thor can use Warriors madness and destroy any iteration of the hulk. He just holds back in just about every fight. #TheMoreYouKnow
angrybirdbob Yeah i know that my comment was more of a wtf.. because Caps shield gets fucked up at 3:57 by Thor's heat vision and his skeleton stayed in tact 3:50 and before that when you see Thor do the same thing to Wolverine at 1:54 you see wolverines claws starting to melt from it.
after that when he was in control, the remaining heroes tried to stop him which he eliminated either personally or through Loki who became head of world security. Loki went to Thor's side when he saw that Thor had become the leader Loki thought he should have always been. Thor in the process of the take over became unwothy of Mjolnir which is why he doesn't have it in the video. Would you like some more details about specifics???
It's interesting. When Superman goes stark raving mad, it's only after laying aside a lifetime of his parents' teachings. When Thor goes off the deep end, it's only after finally accepting them.
Three things I hate about online comics: Microscopic text, out-of-focus text, and not being given enough time to read the text even when it's big enough and clear enough. Oh, btw, Baldur The Brave's special gift is invulnerability. Impaling him with a sword is meant to be impossible.
upload the full comic? Well that was the full fight. The rest of the comic is just talking and if I did the whole arc it would have to be a very long big series of videos. I guess I can try though if you'd really like to see them. You can also go online to one of the many comic forums and see basically the whole stories. That's where I got the scans.
Thor always hold back, that's the excuse the writers have to explain how someone that was able to move the engine world and the midgard serpent who was so large that could crush the entire world with his grip to trade punches with the likes of hulk hercules and not kill them in one punch!
This is the history behind the Thor always holds back thing, the point is, the writers on marvel don't give that much credit for Thor, like being hit by rulk with his own hammer is beyond stupid, and when some villain is introduced and marvel need to create a badass aura on him somebody needs to be the punch bag and they always put Thor to do the job!
Like the split in 5 Phoenix, Thor beat up Rachel summers as Phoenix and get humiliated by a portion of the Phoenix Emma frost? Well this is the problem here, when marvel do this PIS the excuse they have is that Thor was holding back, the problem is not the idea of holding back against mortals, is what writers do with the idea!
Jorge Hudorovich but then thor normally ends beating/killing them later. when he REALY REALLY means it thor can own pretty much anyone. but yes is used alot to show how powerful a new char is. "omg he beat thor! he must be powerful!" then he kills him"
True but this is why Thor fan base is lower then hulk in my opinion, like Taurus beating Thor really easily, is embarrassing tho someone supposed to be superman counter part don't you think?
***** How would Superman win against Thor? It's already obvious that Thor's strength can match Superman, he has magic, thousand of years of fighting experience, he can kill, and most of all he has a powerful hammer. The only advantage Superman would have against Thor is his super speed. But if you read Thor you'll see that he has defeated speedsters like Sentry, Gladiator, and Hyperion and even Silver Surfer.
Superman 52 is stronger Far faster Not as vulnerable to magic now Able to think and react in super speed Superman would win Superman the king of superheroes!
We're talking about baseline powers. If you want to bring up Superman 52 then he's no match against King Thor, Odinpower Thor, and most of all Rune Thor. Supe doesn't even come close.
Oh,i agree with you completely.I'm not just being biased because i like Thor more then Hulk.I'm simply taking into account Thor's insane strength feats(lifting the Midgard Serpent probably the best one to date),and durability feats(fighting the elder got Atum inside the sun and surviving blasts from Celestials),and factoring in the fact that a semi-enraged Hulk can't come close to that,and i'm coming to a conclusion that if he wants to finish it quick and doesn't hold back,Thor can do that.
It seems Captain America stood a better chance against King Thor then the Hulk and Thing combined. LMAO......oh well no wonder I stop reading comics a long time ago. LOL
Thor let Cap hit him, and it was after he had fought Hulk and Thing for hours (and lost his left arm in the process). You make it sound like the comparison is on equal playing field, which makes it questionable to have that attitude.
+Daniel Lopez did you see what Thor did to wolverine just do that to dead poll except his entire body and boom all his cells are dead he can't regenerate
Never before?Classical Thor used to beat the crap out of Hulk barehanded all the time,in fact he used to send Mjolnir away to give him a fair fight.In one fight Hulk kept hitting him hard and making craters and Thor just kept getting up unharmed,Hulk went:''Is he a monster?'' and ran off.In fact,ask Fernando,he'll be more then happy to provide the scans.
Well the shield is made of vibranium. It would absorb all kinetic energy bouncing off of Thor, allowing the shield to push him away as long as Thor didn't weigh too much for Captain to move. So that is understandable. Plus, Thor was tired and caught off guard. The adamantium being able to cut through Thor's arm, though, just doesn't make sense. Wolverine would have difficulty cutting through Thor's skin, much more so his muscle and bone.
Георги Костадинов I don't think it could defeat regular thor. The difference between king thor and thor isn't so much strength, but magic. The thorbuster was immune to king thors magic, so he relied on strength to fight him. Thor would probably do just as "well" vs the thorbuster as king thor.
Raven Myren I know Thor is very powerful but can he time travel or did he used some special item to do so??? or he had time traveling powers that Marvel decided to take off from him???
Yes,he was still inexperienced with the power.It was like Thanos said about the infinity gems,he used it as a hammer,when it should be used as a surgeons scalpel.Rune King Thor,however,does not have that problem.My point was,at the time,Thor killed Hulk barehanded in cannon.The future maybe an alternate universe now,but the deed has been done while it wasn't.
The problem is most of those confrontations happen in Hulk comics.Besided,Thor always said he never uses more then 1/3 of his strength against any mortal,including Hulk.With Hulk,there is no holding back(and please don't mention when he said he held back as Worldbreaker,who ever wrote that should be shot,the whole point of Hulk is that he's a rage monster,holding back is not his shtick).King Thor simply didn't hold back,and made short work of them.
The idea that Cap could kill Thor is stupid. He just got done killing Hulk and Thing....I don't think Cap and his shield are going to do much. The idea of Cap kicking Thor to the ground would be like him kicking a somewhat anguished Odin to the ground. Now what are the odds of that happening??
The Marvel heroes should've placed a call to DC and had Superman come over and handle this for them. It wouldn't even have been a fight. Superman would've just done what he does: talk some damn sense into Thor and made him regret all of his life choices. LOL
Once Dr Strange removed the Odin Force from Thor the battle should've ended quickly. Thor has never been able to beat the Hulk 1v1 without some outside assistance or power boost. So it's unlikely that he could beat the Hulk and the Thing together. But I know the outcome is at the discretion of the writer. Entertaining video nonetheless 👌
when did all this happen? and who was the writer at Marvel who thought it was a good idea? probably the same ones who thought the NAME Thor was a Title...
MrSebastian6789 thor at base. world breaker hulk is only hulk on planet busting lvl of strength thts why im even considering him to be able to fight thor.
Don't worry. Hulk can't. Never ever. He might have been able to put up a good fight before he got the odinsforce, but after that hulk is so far behind in power.
Angel Torres it's probably Thor who turned hulks healing factor off like Zeus who turned hulks healing facto off and the more angry he gets the stronger he gets turned off too
Doctor Stange. He didn't take it away. he asked the counsel of pantheons to restrict Thors odinforce. They did just that and he beat them still on his own power.
hulk have died by far less, also in the canon vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/answers/images/f/f5/Hulk_Vol_2_11_page_21_Red_Hulk_%28Earth-616%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100312185831
Just to instigate this battle it has been shown on multiple occasions thor destroying moons with punches so he must hold back on earth or risk destroying it so if u think of it that way thor is always holding back so yea strong is an understatement.
sure thing. Thor brought Asgard to Earth and started having a heavy influence on the people of Earth in just about every way. People were converting to his religion, he was performing miracles, and he dismantled the Earth's armies if they attacked people of his religion or if they nettled in Asgardian affairs. He did a lot of good and he tried to help but the governments of Earth tried to get rid of him. They dropped a nuke on his head which just made him angry so he fully took over the planet
Could you tell me the title of the songs you used before?
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Could you please tell me the title of the songs you used at first? You changed them
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Yeah very depressing and all, but I kind of like how Thor and Loki are working together...
To everyone who doesn’t know, The odinforce In Thor’s possession is called the Thorforce so it’s practically Odins energy turned to Thor’s, it’s his power he had to control it otherwise he’d pretty much be a time bomb. Even without the Thor/Odinforce Thor can use Warriors madness and destroy any iteration of the hulk. He just holds back in just about every fight. #TheMoreYouKnow
So Caps skeleton are stronger than his vibranium shield? xD
rjkey and wolverines skeleton
Deathmetal 82 wolverines is made of adamantium
angrybirdbob Yeah i know that my comment was more of a wtf.. because Caps shield gets fucked up at 3:57 by Thor's heat vision and his skeleton stayed in tact 3:50 and before that when you see Thor do the same thing to Wolverine at 1:54 you see wolverines claws starting to melt from it.
+rjkey Censorship...couldn't draw brains and eyeballs getting blasted...sucks...
Not to mention how did Cap even hurt Thor? He shouldn't be able to hurt normal Thor let alone Odinforce Thor.
after that when he was in control, the remaining heroes tried to stop him which he eliminated either personally or through Loki who became head of world security. Loki went to Thor's side when he saw that Thor had become the leader Loki thought he should have always been. Thor in the process of the take over became unwothy of Mjolnir which is why he doesn't have it in the video. Would you like some more details about specifics???
Finally I found the comic its Thor (1998) #73 The mighty thor lord of earth the reigning part 5
TheVoxelBox thanks man
Thank you.
glad you liked it :) He had one arm and one eye, just to keep the hulk fans wounds fresh ;D
thor is best.
No hes not he sucks
@@God-xw1nu you suck
@UCbh2Ovv61ksExwDD55zIxJQ and also fcck u god
In the More recent Thor arc King Thor is Currently Fighting Galactus.
One of the most amazing thor battles ever. Happinaly, he's not evil in this arc as in the one shown in the video.
In the most recent arc, Thor just killed Galactus
@@demynnas1653 True. He used him as a bomb.
Imagine this in the MCU!😇
This saga of Thor was a huge success in Brazil, was the best for me.
Thor is the most powerful character he has destroy them all ps its a vry nice video!:)
Three words world breaker hulk
Tarik Assaf yor stupid hulk would smash thor into a ;pulpe
Budder Fingerton did you not see the video hulk and thing DEAD!
first of all u cant kill hulk
o yay somone is smart
I love how loki saved thor's child even if they are both evil.. It shows that they have a bond again
If u ask me the whole Loki vs Thor rivalry is getting old and should just be done in over with. I feel Loki and Thor would be a great team
I agree
This was fun to watch, I wish we got to see more of Thor beating thing and hulk
It's interesting. When Superman goes stark raving mad, it's only after laying aside a lifetime of his parents' teachings. When Thor goes off the deep end, it's only after finally accepting them.
Three things I hate about online comics: Microscopic text, out-of-focus text, and not being given enough time to read the text even when it's big enough and clear enough.
Oh, btw, Baldur The Brave's special gift is invulnerability. Impaling him with a sword is meant to be impossible.
Right?
upload the full comic? Well that was the full fight. The rest of the comic is just talking and if I did the whole arc it would have to be a very long big series of videos. I guess I can try though if you'd really like to see them. You can also go online to one of the many comic forums and see basically the whole stories. That's where I got the scans.
Thor always hold back, that's the excuse the writers have to explain how someone that was able to move the engine world and the midgard serpent who was so large that could crush the entire world with his grip to trade punches with the likes of hulk hercules and not kill them in one punch!
thor only holds back vs mortals. a promise he made to odin. and thor is man of his word.
This is the history behind the Thor always holds back thing, the point is, the writers on marvel don't give that much credit for Thor, like being hit by rulk with his own hammer is beyond stupid, and when some villain is introduced and marvel need to create a badass aura on him somebody needs to be the punch bag and they always put Thor to do the job!
Like the split in 5 Phoenix, Thor beat up Rachel summers as Phoenix and get humiliated by a portion of the Phoenix Emma frost? Well this is the problem here, when marvel do this PIS the excuse they have is that Thor was holding back, the problem is not the idea of holding back against mortals, is what writers do with the idea!
Jorge Hudorovich but then thor normally ends beating/killing them later. when he REALY REALLY means it thor can own pretty much anyone. but yes is used alot to show how powerful a new char is. "omg he beat thor! he must be powerful!" then he kills him"
True but this is why Thor fan base is lower then hulk in my opinion, like Taurus beating Thor really easily, is embarrassing tho someone supposed to be superman counter part don't you think?
Could you please tell me the title of the songs you used at first? You changed them
Could anyone please tell me the title of the songs that were used at first? You changed them
Where is Ghost Rider in this!?!?!
a debate in ghost rider vs thor could be made, but odinforce thor is far beyond him.
glad you liked it :)
Could you tell me the original songs titles?
We need a movie of this
This is a great video. It's good to see Thor cutting loose on Hulk and Thing--they never stood a chance. ;)
damn Cap is the man
DAMN man thank you so much I was trying to find this
holy crap, he bodied everyone
well dang
What book is this from please and thank you
It's hard to tell from the images: Did wolverine sever Thor's arm or just wound it?
what website is that ? i would like to know
which is the name of the song?
Truly one of my favorite run. Jurgens did an awesome job.
Thor powers has no limist he is the strongest being hero that exist
Incorrect . A sun dipped superman is. Superman the king of superheroes
*****
He would lose to Thor. Supe is vulnerable to magic.
*****
How would Superman win against Thor? It's already obvious that Thor's strength can match Superman, he has magic, thousand of years of fighting experience, he can kill, and most of all he has a powerful hammer. The only advantage Superman would have against Thor is his super speed. But if you read Thor you'll see that he has defeated speedsters like Sentry, Gladiator, and Hyperion and even Silver Surfer.
Superman 52 is stronger
Far faster
Not as vulnerable to magic now
Able to think and react in super speed
Superman would win
Superman the king of superheroes!
We're talking about baseline powers. If you want to bring up Superman 52 then he's no match against King Thor, Odinpower Thor, and most of all Rune Thor. Supe doesn't even come close.
dose anyone know where i can buy this Comic king thor vs Heroes of Earth
what is the music?
Oh,i agree with you completely.I'm not just being biased because i like Thor more then Hulk.I'm simply taking into account Thor's insane strength feats(lifting the Midgard Serpent probably the best one to date),and durability feats(fighting the elder got Atum inside the sun and surviving blasts from Celestials),and factoring in the fact that a semi-enraged Hulk can't come close to that,and i'm coming to a conclusion that if he wants to finish it quick and doesn't hold back,Thor can do that.
It seems Captain America stood a better chance against King Thor then the Hulk and Thing combined. LMAO......oh well no wonder I stop reading comics a long time ago. LOL
balder kidnaped thors son. then thor let captain to hit.
It dont matter there is no way cap can do that to King Thor.
Ichigo Bankai Captain America's skull stands a better chance against Thors laser eyes than his shield XDXD
Thor let Cap hit him, and it was after he had fought Hulk and Thing for hours (and lost his left arm in the process). You make it sound like the comparison is on equal playing field, which makes it questionable to have that attitude.
The11facebook11 Dr strange took his odinforce away right before Hulk and Thing came in, they say it in the video
You KNOW you fucked up when the thing and the hulk are smiling at you like that.
Sketchy Animation and then Thor owned them.
what books is this from and what happened to Thor's arm?
He lost it while fighting against Dr. strange, Hulk and thing
Wow...Thor killed cap...
And wolverine :v
oboistas1 And the Thing and Hulk o.O
+Brandon Mora if deadpool was there he would have beaten thor
+Daniel Lopez hahahaha
+Daniel Lopez did you see what Thor did to wolverine just do that to dead poll except his entire body and boom all his cells are dead he can't regenerate
Nice video.... earth heros are like dust aganist rune king thor.....
Never before?Classical Thor used to beat the crap out of Hulk barehanded all the time,in fact he used to send Mjolnir away to give him a fair fight.In one fight Hulk kept hitting him hard and making craters and Thor just kept getting up unharmed,Hulk went:''Is he a monster?'' and ran off.In fact,ask Fernando,he'll be more then happy to provide the scans.
What series is this? I want to read it all, about this atlernative universe where Thor becomes like this and totally messes Earth up.
What's this issue called??
pls give me links to the next chapter after this one
What series is this
which comic is this form? :C pls tell me
So what happened next?
Hmmm.. What Alternate universe is this one?
What story arc is this?
Well the shield is made of vibranium. It would absorb all kinetic energy bouncing off of Thor, allowing the shield to push him away as long as Thor didn't weigh too much for Captain to move. So that is understandable. Plus, Thor was tired and caught off guard. The adamantium being able to cut through Thor's arm, though, just doesn't make sense. Wolverine would have difficulty cutting through Thor's skin, much more so his muscle and bone.
Is this the same Thor which fought the Thor Buster armor ?
Yep
Lol that armor did wayyy to well.
It was enchanted with a gem from Aasgard, which made it immune to thor's magic. That's why it did so good vs thor.
I know that, I was just stating the fact that it did well and could have actually defeated regular Thor
Георги Костадинов I don't think it could defeat regular thor. The difference between king thor and thor isn't so much strength, but magic. The thorbuster was immune to king thors magic, so he relied on strength to fight him. Thor would probably do just as "well" vs the thorbuster as king thor.
Who did the art?
This is an alternate universe or this storyline takes place in the main Marvel universe????
Main universe, but later Thor reversed time and prevented it all.
Zacurafire Thanks dude!!!!
+homelander4458 ya went back in time so this never happened
Raven Myren I know Thor is very powerful but can he time travel or did he used some special item to do so??? or he had time traveling powers that Marvel decided to take off from him???
+homelander4458 With the nordic runes ( Thor from the video ), Thor have control of the time, without it, no.
How did it end?
This isn’t 616 right?
Wow king for defeated everybody including the hulk and thing in like 2 seconds'. Just wow
Lets bring The new stronger sentry in here who knows his power with no void and lets see what happens
Thor would still win. Thor beat sentry before anyways.
entertainment fn sentry had mental problems and thor killed sentry because sentry let himself be killed he returned
Nope, so Sentry wasn't letting Thor win. Look at The Marvel Siege comic.
entertainment fn orly look again HE SAID KILL ME KILL ME!!! he even tried throwing himself into the sun he 1 shot thor as death sentry
Sentryregular Thor.
Which comic is this
Pretty amazing
Hulk got his body pierced by a piece of wood??? Dafuq?!
Captain America giving Thor a beat down is the most ridiculous thing I've seen.
What's the go with his eye how come the can brun adamantium?
odinforce
It can shatter entire galaxies in a single hit.
So can we all just agree that thor gets a super boost to power but still manages to be a weak ass bitch when everyone needs him. Noice
what universe is this?
Yes,he was still inexperienced with the power.It was like Thanos said about the infinity gems,he used it as a hammer,when it should be used as a surgeons scalpel.Rune King Thor,however,does not have that problem.My point was,at the time,Thor killed Hulk barehanded in cannon.The future maybe an alternate universe now,but the deed has been done while it wasn't.
name of hq ?
Comic name pls?
Who is the strongest Ron King Thor or. Space Punisher Hulk
RKT
The problem is most of those confrontations happen in Hulk comics.Besided,Thor always said he never uses more then 1/3 of his strength against any mortal,including Hulk.With Hulk,there is no holding back(and please don't mention when he said he held back as Worldbreaker,who ever wrote that should be shot,the whole point of Hulk is that he's a rage monster,holding back is not his shtick).King Thor simply didn't hold back,and made short work of them.
Old video but where was Sentry during all of this? Dude would clap them godly cheeks.
Clap my dick lol , couldn’t clap shit a base Thor as Void 😂
Nice
Was this canon? I can't remember
i like it
Same here dude. Jurgens needs to make a comeback writing Thor.
Damn!! Thor vs captain America :)
How Thor killed the Marvel universe: Because he can.
Screw the deadpool, Wolverine, Punisher.
i really didn't want it to happen but cap should have taken that chance to kill thor instead of talking and getting distracted
The idea that Cap could kill Thor is stupid. He just got done killing Hulk and Thing....I don't think Cap and his shield are going to do much. The idea of Cap kicking Thor to the ground would be like him kicking a somewhat anguished Odin to the ground. Now what are the odds of that happening??
What Event was this?
The Marvel heroes should've placed a call to DC and had Superman come over and handle this for them. It wouldn't even have been a fight. Superman would've just done what he does: talk some damn sense into Thor and made him regret all of his life choices. LOL
Real question how fucking strong was this version of Captain America? Does it ever say? Was he augmented by Strange or what?
Prácticamente es imposible que esa versión de thor pueda sentir los golpes del capitán América.
El capitán debió fracturarse las manos y pies jaja
Debió haber muerto de una 😂 pero le dieron más drama la wea
King Thor as in Thor with all the power of the Allfather, he is the Allfather isn't he? He was usin that Odinforce like he was.
Once Dr Strange removed the Odin Force from Thor the battle should've ended quickly. Thor has never been able to beat the Hulk 1v1 without some outside assistance or power boost. So it's unlikely that he could beat the Hulk and the Thing together. But I know the outcome is at the discretion of the writer. Entertaining video nonetheless 👌
Thor has beat hulk many times. More than hulk has beat Thor.
He even almost killed him with one blow while not holding back
when did all this happen? and who was the writer at Marvel who thought it was a good idea? probably the same ones who thought the NAME Thor was a Title...
This is from the arc called "Thor: Gods and Men." It's written by Dan Jurgens.
Ironically, this is just before the rune king Thor storyline...Thor will erase this timeline seeing the error in his ways
wait,when does thor have a wife?
He has amora as one, in this storyline...
How about world war hulk vs king thor ?
xD are u serius?
Josip Potravij Without odinforce lolololol
MrSebastian6789 still no match for thor only time hulk reaches thors strength is world breaker
Josip Potravij Which Thor ? If current thor vs world breaker hulk then mismatch hulk shot him
MrSebastian6789 thor at base.
world breaker hulk is only hulk on planet busting lvl of strength thts why im even considering him to be able to fight thor.
wait this is the end??
Captain America is hardly a regular man. And Thor was more worried about his son than fighting back.....
im curious why were they attacking thor in this?
so thor killed everyone? lol wow and they say hulk can beat thor
+york ryan yeah ikr haha its so funny
Don't worry. Hulk can't. Never ever. He might have been able to put up a good fight before he got the odinsforce, but after that hulk is so far behind in power.
So in that universe Hulk doesn't heal..... Huge nerf but it is a Thor comic after all
It's the official 616 Universe. It really happened and is canon.
He's got a huge tree stump impaled through his back and he's down for the count. I don't think he's alive any more.
Angel Torres it's probably Thor who turned hulks healing factor off like Zeus who turned hulks healing facto off and the more angry he gets the stronger he gets turned off too
Hulk's healing ability isn't unlimited. Check out Zues vs Hulk and you'll see a much quicker defeat for Hulk.
Thor was cut off from the Odin Force shortly before Thor, Hulk and The Thing fought. If not, it'd go as fast as Zeus vs Hulk
I didn't know thor could shoot beams from his eyes ....... but i liked what he did to captain america
the strongest being in marvel is the one above all.
and what good it does if he never ever ever have fought anyone? A normal guy with a knife is more dangerous than the one above all.
you did it
Anyone here after watching Infinity war??
how that guy took his odinpowers from him?? and who is that guy?
Doctor Stange. He didn't take it away. he asked the counsel of pantheons to restrict Thors odinforce. They did just that and he beat them still on his own power.
ok thx :)
Is that what the amulet was on his chess,the source of his power?
damn it fernando,you're so dead when bannericrediblehulk hear this.
Was this canon? I don't see Wolverine or Hulk dying the way they did. They've taken way worse than that.
It's canon but Thor revived them after he realized what he did
hulk have died by far less, also in the canon
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Just to instigate this battle it has been shown on multiple occasions thor destroying moons with punches so he must hold back on earth or risk destroying it so if u think of it that way thor is always holding back so yea strong is an understatement.
thor does hold, vs any mortal. as promise he made to odin. its been said a few times by thor and once by cap that he holds back a fair bit.