BOOKWORM! Alex Toth SQUASHES a comics jobber
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Ed & Jim take a side by side look at the choices and artistic differences between Alex Toth’s and Charles Nicholas’s version of the same short horror tale - Bookworm:
- Monsters Attack 4 - art by Alex Toth
- Beyond the Grave 15 - art by Charles Nicholas and Wayne Howard
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It'd be pretty damn awesome to see you two draw like a 5 page comic from the same script (maybe even an old EC horror script) and then compare them on the show imo.
Love it. As far as I'm concerned, you could start a whole second channel exclusively on Toth, I'd watch ;)
The artist who got paid more than Toth actually was a young upstart named Neal Adams. Interesting, since they represent such opposite directions in cartooning. Adams the Alex Raymond-illustrator-type, Toth coming from Crane/Sickles etc. mixed with his modern design sense.
I feel bad for the other guy, few can tussle with Toth!
I feel like Page 5, from Nicholas, has a lost opportunity - he's casting a full shadow - but if that has just been the coat and hat, it might have been another good way to show his change.
It almost feels like Toth has a copy of WW’s “22 Panels that always work” and is trying to use as many as possible in the story. Really incredible storytelling by Toth, thanks for this awesome video.
That last page made me gasp IRL, such an incredible payoff and a perfect illustration of what sets Toth so far apart from most storytellers.
And speaking of Toth, have you guys seen this other time he drew a Creepy story drawn by another?
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Awesome! Toth is pure genius. I love the side by side comparison. When I went to Kubert School that was always one of my favorites was during critiques where we had an assignment working off a script to see how different people interpreted the same script. Being students obviously nothing anywhere close to being in the same conversation as Toth, but still interesting.
The other guy is so mechanical I bet he even rules out a 2-point perspective grid just to draw a head.
Find more! These are great. I do think you two are way too hard on the story. It's a clever, ironic little gothic horror story.
thank you guys for recognizing Ogden Whitney's sublimity
Love the comparison videos. Great learning exercise!
This was a fun watch! I'd love to see more like this!
Thought about skipping this video, so pleased I didn't. More lessons in cartooning. Amazing stuff.
On top of the stellar artwork, it looks like Toth also improves on the script, choosing better words, tightening up, or adding to dialogue to further enhance the art and story. incredible.
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Guys, thank you so much for this video. I love these. You took me to school today. I learned so much. It would be amazing if you two both tried to do thumbnails of the first 4 or 5 pages of a script and compare approaches with each other. Especially if it was a book that was already drawn and published to compare even further from someone you both consider a master cartoonist. But damn, I bet that would take a lot of time. I learn so much from you guys, so I just wanna say thanks again.
If you have a copy of the Weird World of Eerie Publications, the history of the hideous black and white Myron Fass magazines, it's full of references to different versions of the same script. They rarely wrote their own stories, but simply ripped off the scripts from old horror comics and had them redrawn (though at first they simply just pirated the old work by reprinting if they could get away with it). One hilarious practice was taking post-code stories from old comics and adding blood and mutilation on top of the original images. There was a point where they had run through the same material so many times that you could find the reprint and the same story redrawn by one of their staff artists and the same story yet again in another issue drawn by another house artist. They were pretty shameless.
Can't understand why the Charles Nicholas version has the wavey panel borders. Not familiar with their work, so no idea if it's part of their style or just in this story.
The main guy in the Nicholas version reminds me of Michael Gough. He was in several Hammer Horror Movies. He also played Alfred in Tim Burton’s Batman.
There is at least another Toth opening page to a story that someone else ultimately drew. I don't think he drew more than the one page, but the difference on that compared to the printed version is pretty dramatic. Does anyone know it? I don't remember the title or publisher off the top of my head. Pretty sure it was a horror story.
_"rabid zeal"_ > _"super human devotion"_
This is great. Love the side by side comparison.
Is the red lettering in the original art of the Toth piece intentional or a product of his pen ink fading over time?
He actually used red ink on a few jobs, even way earlier than this. On the original opening page of a 1953 romance story he noted "easier to work with, no ink clog or cake, repro's black."
Maybe he explained somewhere why he came back to this in the 70s, but didn't do it all the time. The only other example I can come up with without research is the first Torpedo story- which wasn't even supposed to be published in english, as far as I know. Toth lettered it anyway, probably because he was Toth.
I wonder if the red lettering isn't so that they can do a photo that doesn't reproduce the red, and re-letter it in another language.
Toth is the Bruiser Brody of comics.
excellent