Davinci Resolve Guy Tries Vegas 21 (This is a GAME CHANGER!)
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
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Vegas Pro is getting better and better with each new release, and Vegas 21 has brought some amazing new features like z-depth, adjustment events, and more! But is it enough to overcome the outdatedness of their existing tools? In this video, I walk through the full editing workflow in Vegas Pro 21 and share my honest thoughts about where the NLE lies in the video editing spectrum.
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Table of Contents
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00:00 - Intro
00:13 - Disclosure
00:39 - Setting up a Project in Vegas 21
02:23 - Cutting Footage in Vegas 21
04:07 - Color Grading in Vegas 21
04:56 - Editing Audio in Vegas 21
05:49 - VFX, Transitions, and Motion Graphics
06:41 - Other Improvements to Vegas 21
07:03 - Vegas 21 Pricing
08:29 - Final Thoughts on Vegas 21
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To keep the playhead on the current position while clicking on other parts of the time line just hold the "control" key down.
Thank you very very much - It is allways good to learn master tips!
thanks, I didn't know that.
but what situation would you want to click around BUT want the playhead in place?
@@rosetzu_nagasawa Hello - I use this feature every time i edit , especially with multiple cameras. So when I find the right frame in one clip and that is the exact spot where I want a second clip (camera) to play. if you move the mouse to click and move the second clip, the play head follows and you will lose the first spot along with all the time and effort spent locating. Another trick I use is to create a (M) Marker so that I can find that place again. Then I delete the markers that I used for place holders before rendering.
This isn't working for me.
My first editing software Vegas 5, the audio work was superior to Premier, the editing was simple too.
Nice review. It's funny, the cursor moving to anywhere you click is something I miss the most from Vegas since switching to Resolve!
I haven't switched totally to anything, but when I do use Resolve Studio, yeah... I miss it too!
One of the things I really dislike about FCP and Vegas seems to have that as well.
In regards to companies sending you products or license keys to their software products. For the people that consider that a sponsor deal, They clearly don't understand how little value a license key or a product is to a UA-camr with a few followers. So many companies will throw their products at you that it becomes more of a nuisance. Even a license key has no value because you already have a video editing software that you use in your workflow and it is unlikely that you would switch to their video editing software.
See? Someone gets it. Thanks Will!
@@JayLippman 🙂
Hey man, just stumbled over your video an saw that it only got 140 likes... The video is great, should defnitly have more likes!
Audio wise, VST-3 plug-in support was recently added to Vegas. There are still issues with Vegas integrated DAW, like the lack of side-chaining (for audio ducking and such). I have been a Vegas (and Sound Forge) user since the initial audio-only version of Vegas, which was published in 1999 by Sonic Foundry, Vegas was eventually acquired by Sony Pictures and then by Magix in 2016.
Thank you!
not sure if this is what you are looking for .. but in preferences go to general .. go down the list and hit the box beside .. Make Spacebar and F12 Play/Pause to Play/Stop .. this will stop the cursor moving the way you seem to be describing .. good luck though
Like your last look at Vegas 20, I think this is a fair and honest look at Vegas, although not as in depth. Several of the points you mentioned, like lack of audio tools, or upgrading the look of the visual UI are what people do agree with.
But for me, I find the UI easy to use. No, it ain't "pretty", but for me, it's functional and I get things done. At first, I thought it was ugly and wouldn't touch it with your keyboard and mouse. Now, I find it simple, quick and easy to use. Familiarity .... on the other hand, I find Resolve Studio not so friendly. Lack of familiarity on my part.
I personally feel that Vegas is on the edge of becoming a much better editing software, but it's still "rough" around the edges. Hoping in time they get there.
There have actually been a ton of audio updates, but they've been happening under the hood... a lot of work had to be done to get VST3 not just working, but working bug-free, and that work continues to this day. This is why they aren't putting a ton of time into new audio features yet... can't build on a foundation of sand. They're pouring the concrete.
Takeaway #1 is spot on. Vegas lost several coders to retirement and attrition after the owners changed, and the 2nd generation at Magix may not fully understand the legacy features, or wish to update them, what with the push for more market-driven stuff like bilinear HSL and an abundance of color wheels.
A lot of the "originals" are still there working on the software. But a major overhaul would require a lot of money, talent and time. No one at Magix is onboard with Vegas.
Sadly, keeping up with other software is something all software try and do. Copy each other. So, all those "color grading" stuff is a necessity if Vegas is going to compete at a higher level than before. Using color curves is amazing. Glad it's there.
3:37 if you hold down control, then it stays there and it selects it
Good video and HAVE a good day
Vegas 21 cannot burn Bluray discs although the option is there.
Vegas 18 and earlier can.
Avoid the latest Vegas software at all costs.
Thanks Jay! Nice review! I think I’ll stay with da Vinci though.
Did you try the MultiCamera editing tool which I use a lot in VP? I find that Multicamera editing is difficult to use in Resolve and almost impossible to use in Premiere. In Vegas Pro it is easy to set up multicamera editing. I have even asked experienced Resolve and Premiere editors to help me figue out how to do multicamera edit in those programs and found that none of them have ever tried to use multicamera editing and when they investigated how to do it in Premiere or Resolve they could not get it to work. I talking about where you have 2 or 3 cameras rolling simultaneously and an external audio recorder recording audio. Then having cameras and external audio on separate tracks on the timeline synced together and being able to switch from one camera to another on the fly as you are viewing the video on the time line. I first export the tracks from Vegas Pro to PluralEyes for syncing and then export the tracks back into Vegas Pro for multicamera editing.
I edit with vegas pro 17, it still holds up
What I do instead of putting the play head there, I just push "m" to make a marker, do what i need to do then remove the marker. Great Video, big fan :D
Being new to editing and using DR now, I understand that people like yourself are going to look at other programs, and why not, it may have something that you can use. Again for me, I love DR because of everything It has the free training books and videos and a ton of YT's like you that help us newer peeps in our quest to become better, and again, thanks for the information on Vegas 21.
been using vegas 21 for 2 months now i can confirm that it's awesome
I have been using Vegas 14 for quite some time and it is a resource hog and slow, should I upgrade to 21 Pro Suite for the offered $149
Do you crash at all? Cuz my Vegas 20 is bad. My pc is really good btw
If what you want is to select a clip for some action available in the context menu, simply select it with the right click. If you want to select the clip, without having the cursor appear there, click on the clip, holding down the Control key. You owe me a favor...
Vegas is great editing tool, always has been, but one little thing is a huge issue. I was not able to find how to prevent Vegas auto scaling everything to a comp size.
They have like 20 options related to that (which is beyond idiotic) and with that auto scale working it is pointless for me to use it, I will always have to use parallelly with
Vegas one more editor. So if you know how to turn that damn option off, please be so kind to share it with me. Thank you.
I was a Vegas user (But switched to Premiere because AMD screws up with color shifting, and Resolve is spec demanding) but here's what you should know.
If you want to hear audio scrubbing in Vegas, you can hit ctrl and click the head.
Well not for me, because 1080p on Resolve feels cramped when editing with a lot of tracks, so I'd have to invest a 1440p monitor to expand screen real estate @@Trensharo
Also my APU is still Ryzen 3 2200G at 6GB ram, and I couldn't even afford a better computer because I live in the Philippines.
Maybe its a good program, but it doesn't come close to Davinci. But would love to test it.
I think this video about Vegas pro was edited in resolve using editor's collection. Can I score some points for accuracy? 😅
10 points to Gryffindor 😂
I was just wondering why you clip your black levels? It really isn't the best look from a pro video point of view. Its like you just lose all shadow detail entirely
To keep your play head cursor locked in place, what you can do is first move the play head, then place a marker (M) Key. Then do all the work you need to do. you can move things to the marker. Finally, when you're done, you can remove the maker by right clicking the maker and selecting delete. This is how I get around it.
For audio scrubbing I don't have a solution. However, What I usually do is click and drag on the timeline to select a region. Next turn on the loop and play the video. The video will repeat. While this runs I can shorten the region and move it around allowing me to find exactly the sound I need. You can also do this manually using the play and stop button. Just place the play head cursor where you want the audio to start. Then press play. Whenever you want to hear it again press stop, and the cursor will return to the play head. Pause will not return the cursor to the play head. So use stop instead. I use this a lot when trying to sync a sound to a visual. This gives me great precision.
The audio plugins and user interface are outdated in my opinion. One this I wish Vegas would do is show the waveform audio volume changes in the even when you update a plugin. And I wish you can raise the audio levels above 100% on the timeline. The only way to make your audio louder is to use a plugin which you cannot see how loud the waveform is. So, what I do to remedy this problem is lower all the audio levels on the timeline and then raise all of the audio either with a bus or track audio. In order to see the waveform better for quiet audio since you lowered it, I use Shift + Up and Shift + Down to increase or decrease the waveform height.
I've been using Vegas for 13 years. Love it EXCEPT for one reason. Very, very often it gets a "not responding" message. In other words, it crashes a LOT and has since I first started using it and . Vegas doesn't seem to address the problem. I give Vegas a 10 but considering the crashes I give it a 1. Been learning Davinci and it hasn't crashed once although it's a big learning curve for me.
I found the version 21 way more stable than any of the previous ones I used (17 - 20). It seems to me they started to address this issue seriously. Many things works better for me now.
VP 21 user the crashing and freezing issues are rarely happened ...
i have vegas 19💙 steam version, I hope I can upgrade to Vegas 20 cheaply during a discount campaign
I use Vegas 15....I'm a fan. I've never been able to work the keyframes....can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Masks...just an obstacle in the road for me. I plan my videos avoiding those things or change the position of my camera more often.
This may be why my videos are so lame and UA-cam keeps telling me to go away. tHanks for the video (tHanks Vegas too)
suport the new nvidia encoder?
Do u need to be online to use this ?
@3:41 keeping the playhead where you want: YES! There IS an option for this. It's PAUSE vs STOP. There are settings to make spacebar (or other programmed shortcut) either stop or pause.
It LOOKS weird bc the playhead WILL move (to show you where it's at) WHILE playing, but if you choose STOP. The playhead goes BACK to where it was before you hit play.
At least that is how it's always been up to & including Vegas 16, which is what I still use (for another 2 months).
I get the pause vs stop. I’m talking about when you click the mouse, the play head automatically jumps to where you clicked, which is super annoying when all I’m doing is clicking a blank space to deselect whatever is selected.
@@JayLippman oh.. that must be a new feature after version 16 because up to that version, the only way to do what you're talkin about is to click somewhere in the timeline but below any tracks, but up to version 16 you can click anywhere on a clip & if it's on an actual track while it's playing you will just select that clip.
It's weird they would change that. I'm actually going to have to get used to that if I upgrade to a newer version. Maybe there is some settings somewhere in options change that.
@@JayLippman I also have DR Studio 18.6, and miss that with the cursor in Vegas. I guess it depends on what you are used to.
Oh, and I never use the trimmer. NEVER!!!! :D
@@JayLippman my Vegas 21 doesnt work as you described. if i click on a clip (more specific: on a timeline event) while i play the timeline, the playhead does not move!! Yes, you will see a "new playhead" a vertical line on that part, but the playback doesnt jump there! If you stop with space, the playhead will be where you pause the video, not on a clip where you clicked! So i dont know what you talking about. shaggy72 has right, you have to change the default behavior of space in preferences/general menu!!
@@relaxvideo3d he is talking about if you click anywhere on the timeline, the playhead will appear there.
The playhead thing is actually the only reason I stick with Vegas. Why would you want the plahead to stay where you had it? if you are changing something somewhere else surely you will want to preview it.
Vegas uses vst audio plugins that makes the audio options limitless
The options are great but the user interface working with audio is outdated. For example: The waveform on the timeline does not update when I use audio plugin. So I cannot tell if a the sound is loud or quiet by looking at it. Also there is no quick way to raise the volume of an event with a slider. Only quieter since the volume event volume is set to 100% by default and you cant go above that like you can in other audio editors. Also lack of scrubbing options and audio visuals is lacking as well. These are all things that Vegas needs to update
@@Bladeclaw00100 can you give me an example of a plugin you’ve used
Audio has been VEGAS' team's greatest achilles' heel simply because they haven't been able to find someone with the expertise to handle the software's ancient coding.
There's SOME good news but-
To cut a very complicated story short, I wouldn't expect an overhaul or improvement of its audio capabilities for at least another two years (including U.I)
That's my speculation and I'm putting money on it.
No Jole, I´m using Vegas since Version 6.0d in 2006 - I remember that the official price was arround 700 bucks. At this point only a bunch of people had the idea to use it for something like that new "UA-cam-Video-internet-Thing". And in 2006 we had more than only UA-cam. No one had an idea, who will win the fight of the videoplatforms. Some crazy people linke me, tried to create videos whith gamescenes. Nevermind there could grow a big commercial market arround something like "let´s plays". But i was young, had no money - My computer couldn´t run the most of the new games.
In 2013 i bought my first camera (Canon Eos 600D Full HD) and started to create videos until today. And i still use Sony Vegas and had some of the "crashy" versions 13 and 14.
Editing audio in Resolve is a nightmare. Just really simple standard audio editing is wildly unintuitive, and for some reason requires a whole different window?
i cannot fathom why you would not want the playhead to move when you click the timeline, you're editing a video. Do people genuinely want to do this without seeing said video?
Because sometimes you want to do something to a clip and the play head is already where you need it to be, but when you select the clip, if you didn’t click EXACTLY where the play head is, it moves and you have to readjust.
I prefer to only have my play head move when I click specifically in the time code section of the timeline. Otherwise, it should stay where I put it.
I've heard of vegas pro a long time ago when it used to be just a DAW and recently after the 21 release gave it a shot and it was alright. They added bunch of tools but it feels like they are adding fresh coat of paint on rusty metal. It crashed so many times on my PC in the first 20 mins and it was very slow and odd to work with those pop up views of those newly added AI effects and they were no were near as fast or accurate as Resolve. It wasn't fast and responsive honestly and it even lagged poorly on my PC while playing back 4k footage when Resolve could playback the same footage easily.
I guess everyone's "mileage" may vary. Vegas has been rock stable on my computer. But so has Resolve and other editing software. I've never found Vegas slow to work with and can edit faster on the timeline than I can in Resolve Studio.
But these are my thoughts on the software.
@danielisapinto841 yes, features aren't everything. Neither is price if you are not happy.
I am using Vegas 21 on a 970 graphics card (that's the one before the 1060 ) and its rock solid for 1080.
Davinci Resolve crashes way to often, and there is no getting around the fact that SQL database it uses was a poor choice.
@danielisapinto841 Well it depends on your system. Resolve heavily relies on a powerful GPU and CPU with fast single core performance, if you don't have that, Resolve is not gonna run smoothly. The crashing usually comes from having hardware lower than recommended system requirements.
@@fx-studio Well you've answered your question. 970 was released in 2014 and 1060 was released in 2016, both are way older and underpowered to run resolve smoothly. I've been running it very fine on my Ryzen 5 and 2060 and 32GB RAM. Rock solid, been working on client projects for 3 years now and it has only crahed on me less than 5 times and I edit 4k 60 FPS clips with heavy use of Fusion for VFX and motion graphics. The crashing for you comes from having hardware lower than recommended system requirements.
vegas just does it for me
I'm not seeing any reasons to buy into it.
That’s fair! It’s not for everyone!
Vegas is not good for surround editing. You can add panning infomation to individual audio tracks, but as soon as you want to do something with multiple tracks at the same time e.g volume. it is not possible. No track grouping and the 5.1 audio bus from pro ignores the track panning information. I am currently looking into resolve because of the poor audio support in Vegas.
The lack of audio updates in Vegas drives me nuts an it’s not even my NLE of choice. That being said, decent surround editing is probably low on the list of priorities, because it’s not something the majority of their target market uses.
That's odd.
While, ever since I blew my surround sound 4 or so years ago I don't even bother with 5.1, a few years ago up to & including Vegas 16 that I use, 5.1 mixing was EXTREMELY EASY in Vegas for me. And I am a very slow learner.
In project settings / Audio / Master Bus Mode . 5.1 Surround. The little surround box shows up on the left of the track now. Easy to place the sound where you want. You can even add an envelope to keyframe-move the sound to anywhere you want during play.
I take it (since I haven't used 5.1 surround in years but it's still the same format as it was when i did religiously), the more they changed/updated, the more they screwed up what was working fine years ago???
Even on Vegas 16 I see how your "grouping" of 5.1 channels complaint is relevant. I can group multiple tracks & change positions but usually only from front to back, not side to side, and even then it's flaky. Seems like it'd be a quick & simple bug fix if they'd spend a couple hours, tops, on it! Otherwise, it all works great for me....
Selecting multiple track envelopes and manipulating them is also pretty easy for me to do with almost no problems (with, of course, the usual Vegas frustrating issue of Vegas sometimes automatically adding keyframes wherever your region begins and end.. but that just adds like 6 seconds of more work to delete those new unwanted keyframes).
And I hope 21 does work because I get a home 5.1 surround system in a couple months so I will be wanting to edit in 5.1 again soon after.
If you really want pro multitrack audio then Sennheiser is the best choice.
why vegas not best nle? vegas = after effects, maybe little better than ae
if u newest user in vegas pls dont says "vegas bad", - this very custom program, in vegas u can apply all effects in videotrack and change applying style, only this track or this track and downest..
dude i still use vegas 13
I used Vegas years ago. I didn’t like it then, and it still looks just as crappy.
I have used every NLE on the market, and I have not found any that are better than Resolve.
My second choice is AVID, but I haven’t touched it in 5 years. Resolve does everything anyone need, from beginner to professional.
Vegas is definitely a bit aesthetically outdated. But functionally speaking, it’s pretty good!
@danielisapinto841, I agree that Vegas is better for PC. While Resolve can be used on a PC, it is geared and engineered more towards Apple/Mac, which is now the industry standard system used in the majority of professional post-production houses, this is why Resolve is now the main editing system used industry-wide.
Plus, Resolve is the only all-in-one editing system/suite, which is a HUGE plus. I, for one, HATE having to switch back and forth between programs for graphics work, like has to be done when using Adobe, Vegas, AVID, etc., and Resolve is also the only buy once and you’re done system. I REFUSE to pay a monthly extortion fee to use an editing system.
When I started editing with the Amiga/Toaster around 1990, it was just fun. Then Commodore bit the big one (greed). Moving to the PC and it's NLE's. Throughout all the years I've seen Vegas, I always thought it was "butt ugly" and looked confusing..... until I bought a Humble Bundle VP14 Edit for $25. I figured, why not. Well, 2 weeks later, I bought the Suite. Each year upgrading. I took to it like a fish to water.
Yes, the interface may not be "modern" looking, but for me, does it work. I made the mistake of judging a book by it's cover... without reading it. Now, I enjoy the book immensely.
We all have our preferences....
I gave up on Resolve due to all the crashes - at the time I left the FB group because I couldn't listen anymore to all the complaints about crashes and lost work.
@danielisapinto841 Vegas 21 - for me its the most stable, fastest and most intuitive software.
I still use vegas 14 lol
Vega pro Vs Davinci resolve ........... LEAVE YOUR COMMENT
A a premier pro and Davinci user, i can confirm Vegas is confusing, not as usable as we expect, specially their MRP is a joke.
1:07 wdym trimmer is the only reason i cant move from vegas...
This video is clearly sponsored 🤣🤣🤣
Nnnnope
Let's see.... hmmm..... he gets a license, which I guess is for one year subscription, which does expire. How much does that cost compared to the amount of time it takes to put the video together? He 's lost money in the process....
How many hours do you think he spent doing this? Does the cost of the software cover that? It wouldn't in my world.
And it's clear, he isn't switching....
You mad you didn’t get a free license?
No, don't ever switch to this software. As a vegas editor I can say that last capable person that worked in vegas left 10 years ago. Now there are only trashbag developers left there who make things worse and worse. Last implementation by those creative idiots is something that makes your vegas stuck for 5 seconds every time you leave vegas window and click back to it. They are also implementing AI masking which worsk worse than worst online masking editor you can find online. If you are new to editing, don't ever consider to edit with this obsolete idiotism
$399 for a perpetual license... nah I'm good. The free version of Davinci is better than this in virtual every way.
Well, as long as your computer can handle it, I don't see a reason to use Vegas over Resolve. I mean Resolve can do 3D renders, allow you build your own plugins and code, handle RAW footage smoothly, etc. However, you are correct in that the best software for anyone is the one they get the best results with or at least run on their computer.@@danielisapinto841
I give it to Resolve in their pricing structure. Free with some (to me) major parts missing, or spend once and in the current world, upgrade forever for that initial cost. But there is more to life than just the cost of something. Their is usability for the person. I find for "me", Vegas a lot easier to use. I also own Resolve Studio (got it when the Speed Editor was first released and came with it), but still prefer Vegas and pay to upgrade yearly if the upgrade is beneficial to me.
The cost of upgrading during say, Black Friday, is nominal to me. And if averaged out over a year, people spend way more at Starbucks for a product they will piss out later and have nothing to show for it.
I must say - I learned quite alot through all the hand gestures... 😉 🤏☝🤚👋👉