Hodinkee has a special nostalgic place in my heart. I couldn’t imagine them not being around but I do hope there’s better times for them down the road !
Most likely for the best. They created a serious conflict of interest when they started selling wrist watches. I would read articles and wonder, OK are they just trying to hype this or that watch just to sell it?
That sucks. I got my Rolex from them. Also bought a few other used watches from them. What now? Buying off random strangers online? Absolutely no risk in that.
Its just the natural byproduct of the bubble continuing to burst. As an "enthusiast" I think its a great turn of events. Swatch and LVMH can start selling off their watch brands. The fake Rolex "scarcity" can dry up and they go back to being a standard mall jeweler watch. Life finally returns to normal as the hype train moves to the next tulip bubble.
I'm happy to see Hodinkee going back to what made it special, the current direction felt really artificial and trying to appease more the watch companies than the community around it.
Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from amzwatch I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.
Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the amzwatch, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.
I unsubscribed to HODINKEE recently… too many sales ads. Unfortunately, I think they’ve lost large part of their writing talent and may never get the magic back so hopefully optimistic and I wish them luck.
So is Crown and Caliber still running? It looks like their website is still active. I bought a couple of very nice watches from them, pre-Hodinkee, around 3-4 years ago.
I'm curious to see how Hodinkee maneuvers their way through these changes. They spent years refining their approach to watch journalism and collecting some key folks along the way. Not sure you can snap your fingers to get things back to the way they were. Plus, what happened to all their investors? There is a business side reckoning that happens with a change in direction like this. Will be interesting for sure.
Hodinkee comment section has some enthusiasts always complaining about honesty and so on with product placement, pricing, the establishment's opinion on releases and how they were biased and so on. Therefore, right now, Hodinkee will have to regain honesty with the simple crowd and I can see that with the new team they have put together, I am not kissing butt but you mentioned Tony is a friend of yours? I feel so much honesty from that guy, it has not gone unnoticed, he really cares about the art.
The whole world was changed by Covid. I wish Hodinkee the best going forward. They just have to find their identity. I think that it is perhaps time to shift a bit from some of the collectors who can afford anything that we can't really relate to. There are a lot more of us that struggle to build a small collection than there are people who can and do own any and everything. I am happy for them but they are a very elite and small group...I can't identify. Best of wishes to Ben. Thank you John P.
I bought this popular video watch from amzwatch , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
John P. when you exited watch sales business, in hindsight I think right move, obviously you had industry info and did analysis, and I wish Federico all the best following him many years. I agree you absolutely 💯
Pardon me John, but they listened no other than money. Imagine if the pop-fashion thing would have worked. Do you think they'd step back to their roots only for a bunch of watch enthusiast? 😊 But on the other hand, as I already commented on your former business partner channel, being italian, I couldn't care less. 😊
@JohnPWatches We obviously have a newer generation for watch collecting and from what I have gathered being 42, this generation are very ethical when it comes to pricing, eco friendliness, wearability of watches and not safe queens, so practicality as well as being conservative by nature if you take into account their interest in environmental sustainability. I think pricing came to a point that it became vulgar, watches like new man daytonas going at ridiculous prices, grey market Rolex's, even vintage rolex were sky high and still are. Therefore, is this generation price sensitive due to their conservative nature as well as the inflationary environment we are in today making living and saving harder? This is all anecdotal and further conversation from you will be great but I will say that I am glad, the market is becoming more sensible, i mean it will seem sensible relative to where we were. Shame there isn't much evidence we can go by. Can I also add that for the most part, the talking watches episodes really trained my eyes for classic designs and made me open minded, however, they are quite far from the everyday reality of a watch enthusiast. I noticed that on the more recent Hodinkee podcast, they were talking more about value and conservative pricing, did they get ahead of themselves being too up market?
I think watch-mania is over. Not to say the business is in decline, but consumers from the past 10 years have moved on to other things and priorities have changed. Some of them are starting families or are putting those dollars into real investments.
I'm glad the fickle fairweather watch fans have left the building. Us genuine enthusiasts were here before and we'll be here for decades. Hodinkee needs to get back to basics and employ some fresh faces who are interested in horology, not fashion fluff.
John, I've been a subscriber of your channel since your very first video, more than 5 yrs ago. I've also been a commenter on your videos mostly in the early days. Videos so early that I think you may have even removed them as you were still figuring out your format and niche. This video kinda kills it for me, man. I'm going to be completely honest with you; I was really close to hitting that unsubscribe button after watching this video but decided to message you instead. Can't speak for everyone, but I don't care at all about hodinkee. Hodinkee means nothing to me. I suspect many subscribers feel the same way. This isn't a business to a lot of us, it's a hobby. The hobby of collecting. I'm a subscriber because I care about your POV on actual watches, not the watch community or market. I can read that for myself. Anywho, just thought I'd leave my point of view, not meant to be negative. Just my thought.
@@kaczynski2333 That's inferred but also not at all the point of my comment. You may have misread my tone; it's constructive criticism related to the content, not the content creator.
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the amzwatch has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the amzwatch has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the MaMaCoo has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
They forgot about their core audience. But now most of that audience has moved on.
A real sign of the times.
Indeed. There are other, better, places for enthusiasts to go; ABTW, Fratello, Monochrome, etc.
Jesus Christ those Malaika Crawford articles were horrendous...
Hodinkee has a special nostalgic place in my heart. I couldn’t imagine them not being around but I do hope there’s better times for them down the road !
Hodinkee sold out of their Porsche Design x Hodinkee watch for over 9000 each and suddenly after sold out "no more selling watches!". Interesting.
I still think Hodinkee was one of the dumbest names for a website I ever heard
Given the first two letters of the name is it any wonder they ‘sold out’ 😂
Most likely for the best. They created a serious conflict of interest when they started selling wrist watches. I would read articles and wonder, OK are they just trying to hype this or that watch just to sell it?
That sucks. I got my Rolex from them. Also bought a few other used watches from them. What now? Buying off random strangers online? Absolutely no risk in that.
Code for “we are bleeding money” our business is not working. Also you can no longer squeeze videos out of John Mayer and Ed Sheeran
Its just the natural byproduct of the bubble continuing to burst. As an "enthusiast" I think its a great turn of events. Swatch and LVMH can start selling off their watch brands. The fake Rolex "scarcity" can dry up and they go back to being a standard mall jeweler watch. Life finally returns to normal as the hype train moves to the next tulip bubble.
Exactly. What will be the next tulip bubble do you think?
I'm happy to see Hodinkee going back to what made it special, the current direction felt really artificial and trying to appease more the watch companies than the community around it.
Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from amzwatch I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.
Hodinkee branding is so strong in the watch community I think they will thrive even down the road. Their reach and content is unparalled i think.
So now what happens to Crown and Caliber?
Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the amzwatch, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.
Hodinkee is kinda dead. All those past editors have cashed out their stock and have moved on.
JP - love your advice and insights with your vids- spot on as always. PS: Love your watch - what is it?
I unsubscribed to HODINKEE recently… too many sales ads. Unfortunately, I think they’ve lost large part of their writing talent and may never get the magic back so hopefully optimistic and I wish them luck.
So is Crown and Caliber still running? It looks like their website is still active. I bought a couple of very nice watches from them, pre-Hodinkee, around 3-4 years ago.
I will still support Hodinkee.🙏🏽
Hodinkee are crawling back to the real watch enthusiasts they discarded for easy money
John, I know you post many video about hodinkee as your concern also as hodinkee fans. They should focus for what their famous for.
I'm curious to see how Hodinkee maneuvers their way through these changes. They spent years refining their approach to watch journalism and collecting some key folks along the way. Not sure you can snap your fingers to get things back to the way they were. Plus, what happened to all their investors? There is a business side reckoning that happens with a change in direction like this. Will be interesting for sure.
Agreed bandwagon effect has worn off but pricing still is quite a bit ahead of where we were in 19-20.
LVMH equity stake and control is affecting which brands wants to work with them
Hodinkee comment section has some enthusiasts always complaining about honesty and so on with product placement, pricing, the establishment's opinion on releases and how they were biased and so on. Therefore, right now, Hodinkee will have to regain honesty with the simple crowd and I can see that with the new team they have put together, I am not kissing butt but you mentioned Tony is a friend of yours? I feel so much honesty from that guy, it has not gone unnoticed, he really cares about the art.
You are the most English looking American person ever
Hahaha
Thats a gorgeous strap u got on the Swifty Fathoms man. Curious to know who made those?
Thanks. Amazon.
@@JohnPWatches very nice choice! Thanks for getting back at this.
The whole world was changed by Covid. I wish Hodinkee the best going forward. They just have to find their identity. I think that it is perhaps time to shift a bit from some of the collectors who can afford anything that we can't really relate to. There are a lot more of us that struggle to build a small collection than there are people who can and do own any and everything. I am happy for them but they are a very elite and small group...I can't identify. Best of wishes to Ben. Thank you John P.
Hope they get back to classic output, like the Mario Andretti piece.
I bought this popular video watch from amzwatch , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
Unburdened by what has been? Yeah right. Forget about it!
HAHAHAHAH
And the same goes for Hodinkee…😂
lol 😂
🤣
John P. when you exited watch sales business, in hindsight I think right move, obviously you had industry info and did analysis, and I wish Federico all the best following him many years. I agree you absolutely 💯
Wait what?I haven't been on the channel for a while. John P is not longer selling watches with Frederico?
@@zz.158 there is a video them both explaining details about it.
Pardon me John, but they listened no other than money. Imagine if the pop-fashion thing would have worked. Do you think they'd step back to their roots only for a bunch of watch enthusiast? 😊
But on the other hand, as I already commented on your former business partner channel, being italian, I couldn't care less. 😊
Ok but what was stopping them to continue selling watches while at the same time hire more journalists and push more/better content?
Ben Clymer chasing clout and got greedy.
@JohnPWatches We obviously have a newer generation for watch collecting and from what I have gathered being 42, this generation are very ethical when it comes to pricing, eco friendliness, wearability of watches and not safe queens, so practicality as well as being conservative by nature if you take into account their interest in environmental sustainability. I think pricing came to a point that it became vulgar, watches like new man daytonas going at ridiculous prices, grey market Rolex's, even vintage rolex were sky high and still are. Therefore, is this generation price sensitive due to their conservative nature as well as the inflationary environment we are in today making living and saving harder? This is all anecdotal and further conversation from you will be great but I will say that I am glad, the market is becoming more sensible, i mean it will seem sensible relative to where we were. Shame there isn't much evidence we can go by. Can I also add that for the most part, the talking watches episodes really trained my eyes for classic designs and made me open minded, however, they are quite far from the everyday reality of a watch enthusiast. I noticed that on the more recent Hodinkee podcast, they were talking more about value and conservative pricing, did they get ahead of themselves being too up market?
Who of their originals readers is actually still reading it?
At least we'll always have Brodinkee.
4:34 Just don't start selling us art like the one in the frame behind you 😁
That new haircut is looking BADASS!! You look like a Marine ready to go into battle!
Thanks!
good they suck!!
You never know maybe a tourbillon alarm clock could give them the boost they need
I think watch-mania is over. Not to say the business is in decline, but consumers from the past 10 years have moved on to other things and priorities have changed. Some of them are starting families or are putting those dollars into real investments.
Wow this is huge news. But they brought it upon themselves. Besides James Stacey, who rules, I don’t really follow them at all
I'm glad the fickle fairweather watch fans have left the building. Us genuine enthusiasts were here before and we'll be here for decades.
Hodinkee needs to get back to basics and employ some fresh faces who are interested in horology, not fashion fluff.
Hodinkee messed up bigtime. They gambled on the bubble, it burst and they got stuck holding stock. They lost millions
The watch market is dead 💀
I hope they make more articles abour wife sharing 😂😂😂
ho is dinkee ???
People stop buying watches 😂
Libs, looking forward to the layoffs
John, I've been a subscriber of your channel since your very first video, more than 5 yrs ago. I've also been a commenter on your videos mostly in the early days. Videos so early that I think you may have even removed them as you were still figuring out your format and niche. This video kinda kills it for me, man. I'm going to be completely honest with you; I was really close to hitting that unsubscribe button after watching this video but decided to message you instead. Can't speak for everyone, but I don't care at all about hodinkee. Hodinkee means nothing to me. I suspect many subscribers feel the same way. This isn't a business to a lot of us, it's a hobby. The hobby of collecting. I'm a subscriber because I care about your POV on actual watches, not the watch community or market. I can read that for myself. Anywho, just thought I'd leave my point of view, not meant to be negative. Just my thought.
No one cares whether you unsubscribe; just go.
What a bizarre comment.
@@kaczynski2333that's inferred
@@FluxedState I didn't think so, just my POV.
@@kaczynski2333 That's inferred but also not at all the point of my comment. You may have misread my tone; it's constructive criticism related to the content, not the content creator.
what about people just getting into the hobby? I liked and purchased watches in 2017, but i only ever really learned about watches this year!
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the amzwatch has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
They got WAY ahead of themselves and believed their own BS, they used to be terrific, used to be...
Wtf is a Hodinkee and why should anyone give a shit
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the amzwatch has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.
I absolutely love watches, the high end watch brands are out of my budget but the MaMaCoo has literally an almost duplicate of every single watch on the market . Always a great but no matter your budget.