BARITONE SOUND on a Gibson scale guitar (24.75")??
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- In this video I am showing my findings how low you can tune your standard Gibson scale (24.75") guitar. We will look at different tunings (Drop D, Drop C#, Drop C, Drop B, Drop A) and I will tell you how to setup your guitar if you want to play that low.
Featuring: Gibson Les Paul Standard, Epiphone Les Paul Studio, ESP LTD EC-1000 and half a dozen of different sets of Daddario strings!
#Baritone #LesPaul #TheMoreYouKnow
Bjorn Gelotte from in flames uses epi les paul custom with gibson scale and tuned it to drop A#, mad respect for his guitar tech making sure it always sounded good live or in studio
I thought he uses Gibsons.
What string gauge did he use for the low a#? I got a shell of a dean ml I'm trying to deck out to look like a nile guitar in drop a, but im not sure if Karl's old deans were 24.75.
@@andrewdavis7794 looking on his wiki says he uses .12 .16 .22 .38 .52 .68 strings
@@herrcobra4144 damn, 52 tuned to f# sounds tight as hell
@@andrewdavis7794 probably is. Lmao
The bad buzz vs the good buzz. The good buzz makes a guitar yells with unique tone.
I'm late to the party, but I was able to tune my SG (24.75") to E1 Standard / octave drop with a set like this: 16-22p-30-42-54-74. I matched the tension to a set of 8s in standard tuning, so all that was needed was a new nut and raising the action a bit. Played super well.
Hey, also late to the party. About to to do 13-72 baritone string set from Ernie Ball. According to the stringjoy tension calculation, the tension should work. I am pumed.
I'm so glad I found your channel!
Great video man!! It's the best explenation that I could find about this issue on the internet. Keep the good job 👍
Thanks mate! ;-)
Thanks for ur knowlege, really enjoyed this one
I just learned that Pete Loeffler of Chevelle primarily uses Baritone guitars for their music......probably one of my favorite bands and guitarists....no wonder he achieves that really crunchy sound.
I have Baritone, tuned in B. The Baritone is the Viola of the guitar world. It is way bigger! When you need that tonal space filled, you need it. My Baritone is acoustic, when I play in public, people notice the difference. I like mine a lot.
56-12 for B Standard is more than enough, you get the right tension with that string gauge, why using such big strings on a 6 stringed guitar? Bill Steer of Carcass uses a Les Paul Junior in B standard with 12-56, Nergal of Behemoth uses 56-13 in C# Standard which is quite thick. String gauge is personal I mean, but if you use a 9-42 or 10-46 in E you are gonna get the same feeling with 13-56 in B. When you want to try those strings on a Floyd Rose guitar things become more complicated...
Great video!!
Very nice. I also think it depends a little on the construction tolerances of the guitar. I play a PRS 7 string (25inch) and Mayones Regius 7 (25.4inch) in Drop A with 59 gauge bottom strings and both are perfectly fine. i do prefer the tension of the Mayo but I feel its more psychosomatic at this point (I had accidentally thought the PRS was 26.5 inch when I had bought it and did not realize till I tried tuning to drop G). My sense is you are right. Drop A just falls off the cliff for Gibson scale, though in my experience, drop C is fine with 52 gauge low string without action issues on my prs 594 (25.594 scale). 25 inch, Drop A is the limit. And 25.5, I can just about pull drop G albeit with 62 gauge
Ill often use an online string tension calculator and order custom string sets for down tuning. Works for me as i have several guitars in different ranges of tuning from drop D2 on a 48 down to drop F1 on an 82
I used to play with some friends and at that time both our guitars (two Epiphones: mine a LP Special and the other guitarist’s a G400) were tuned down to standard C. It sounded great in the context of a fuzz based doom/sludge band. Both in record and live. We used .012 to .054 strings.
I have a 7-string Epiphone Les Paul (MKH SnoFall) tuned use 10, 14, 18, 30, 40, 52, 63. I alternate between A♭ and C# tunings. I had to get it professionally setup at A♭so that the changes between tunings are minimal
Nice vid man! I got a Harley Benton Amarok baritone Leftie. In B standard with Slinkies 13-58 strings. Frikkin' love it! Used to have my Jackson King V in B standard with D'addario 11-54. It was fine for slow dark deep evil stuff, but not for fast riffing though. Not enough definition. Wanna get the ESP baritone LH or a 7 string to go A standard. Choices...........
I use 014-072 gauge
Drop G# on 24.75" scale Strat (014-018-026w-038-050-072)
On my ESP's : Drop C# : 10/54 or 56 (10/52 set but with a 54 or 56) , drop C : 11/60 (take 11/56 dunlop but replace with a 60) - drop B something like 11/62 to 12/64 (you take dunlop 12/60 and throw the 60 but the .20 is not really perfectly pleasant sounding a 20W or 22W would be better) ; drop A : 13/70 (13/17/26W/38/52/64) . I think like 12/54 13/56 sets are absolutely BULLSHIT FOR 24,75 SCALE GUITARS especially for metal tunings ..(too flubby lows and too high tension high but in metal you need a balanced tension from low to highs . That's why the best is to do you own custom set for each tuning .
Oh man, I had my Les Paul custom in Drop C for years. Years ago with 11-56, now I use 11-48 without any fret buzz and 1.3 mm on treble side and 1.7 on the bass side. 4mm is a torture 😀How do you do?
Yamaha Revstar (24.75''), Drop A#, 12-56 (would G string) with good action and very little fret buzz. It seems to depend on the neck and construction of the guitar since my Les Pauls didn't handle it as well as the Yamaha.
I'm getting a ESP/LTD ec-1000T CMT Evertune next week and trying out 13-60 with the same tuning. I can only hope it will setup as good as the Yamaha.
With using the standard scales maybe a tailpiece or stop bar placed further away from bridge to allow thicker strings to have the right tension.
My guitars are either 24.75" or 25.5" Gibson & Fender scale. Mostly Gibson scale length for drop tunings I use the same strings on all of my guitars for (E, drop D, Eb, drop C#, D, drop D, DADGad, & Open G) on a Gibson scale. I use 10-52 for those tunings. I could put thicker string gauges on 2 guitars with a 25.5" scale and down tune them but I don't want to do that to a Telecaster or Hollowbody. If I were to tune them in Standard C# & C as well as the according drop tunings I'd go for 12-54 strings, then 10-60 on a baritone if I had one.
The fret noise and high action come from heavy strings, 11-54 or 11-56 id say is medium tension for Drop C, I’d personally play 10-52 but I play a 25.5 inch scale so what do I know
For some weird reason I feel that lower tunings feel and sound better on 24.75 inch scale guitars. With thicker strings of course.
It sounds even better with light strings. Using lighter strings gives better attack.
Before I even considered scale length, I tuned my Epiphone LP Standard down to drop A# for some songs I made. The strings were very loose and the sound was muddy so I put .12-.60 strings on it and it worked beautifully. It stays in tune just as well as my HSS Strat that I also tune to A#. It just sounds beefier, which is what I want in a rhythm guitar anyways. I know that others have not had similar success and have had to get a longer scale guitar but I do think the rigid opinions of some people on down-tuning a 24.75" are ill-founded.
I did every possible test with every strings set and neck scales, to get to B and below the neck have to be at the very least 27" or technical issues begins, issues that required few tiny modifications with which there's no going back (not a big drama as the parts are cheap). 24 3/4 and 25 1/2 will sound muddy and dull below C and high output pickups doesn't fit it, a 100 watts high gain amp with a super saturated distortion will hide it but still not fix it on the playing. The d'Addario 13-62" string set is the best I have ever seen for a guitar player who want to keep the feel of a Gibson or Fender scale length, but there's heavier set on the market to feel 100% baritone.
Got an lp in C standard, using 58-14 strings with perfect intonation. For anything lower than C I use a baritone.
Definitely the best thing you can do, if you want to get those lower tunings, is to get that baritone 6-string or get a 7-string. On a 25.5" scale you can definitely do Drop C just fine even with lighter strings, although the tension is so low that they start to get a touch floppy. That's where I'd suggest moving to a slightly heavier gauge set that might include ranges of .11-.48/.50 to start compensating for the looser strings. But Now that more baritone guitar options are offered, like the new ESP EC-1000 baritone, and aren't SUPER expensive, it's making more sense to just pick up a guitar. I bought that Electro-Harmonix DROP pedal to give me a few half step down options and it works but it's definitely a bit of a manufactured sound and it works but it wouldn't be the most pure option for lower tuning sounds. Oh, it also doesn't really work that well for clean sounds either. I plan to get a Baritone guitar soon so I can reliably play that Drop B/C range without having to get medium/heavy gauge strings. I'm so adjusted to light gauge strings that I can't justify going to those heavier strings.
I tuned to g# and a on a 24,75 scale works but i needed to buy a Nashville bridge, which has a little.bit mote range than the standard abr style ones
I played in drop a on a Gibson SG for years. Once I got a baritone though, I haven't played anything else
12-62 ernie ball on 24,75 for drop b is goto for me
A bkt too heavy for that F#, don't you think? I believe magnum slinky is a bit better for that purpose.
Mammoth slinky is designed more for baritone tunings (standard B/drop A).
@@proudbrogressive315 nope, works just fine for me, I found that adjusting scale on regular tom bridges can be tricky for low tunings, so 12- 62 is right for my guitars at least
Honestly the only real limit is the string gauge, if you’re chill with thin strings you can tune down as much as you want until the strings no longer hold tension, as the main issue is intonation issues that come with using thicker strings without a scale to compensate
Also tone becomes an issue, fender scales & longer sound less bassy & full, I tend to prefer tuning fender scale guitars down as E standard sound too chirpy to me, but tuning way down on gibson scale can give you a really really deep full sound which is preferred with genres like doom & sludge
"if you’re chill with thin strings" turning into pasta, when tuned below their normal tuning, then maybe that's fine. But unplayable.
It's all about light touch. I've downtuned a Les Paul all the way to G# standard with 11-54 without much of an issue. Of course it requires a proper setup, but the tension, albeit light, it's still fine. Like a set of 7s on standard or so.
7:58 what’s the name of that song?
What is responsible for the same reception of the strings between E tunning and drop C?
I would assume similar tension but you are stating that you need higher tension with the .12-.56 set of strings...
Why not use something in between to be close to tension of the .10-.46 in E? Does the thickness play role in how the strings apprear?
For drop C, I suggest ernie ball beefy slinky 11-54. I use them for C standard, so drop C should be fine, albeit a little tight on the top strings.
Excellent video. I think C sounded a lot better than B. Hmm.
I use a Shecter with 0.11 with a 0.75 on the low string for playing in drop A#. I like the feel of the thick strings in my hand but for drop B i will use 0.70 Allways
I use a 72 for Drop G# 😂
i founded D,adarrios 56 11 is Fine for drop C 24.75. well for me. Thats with action 40 thous.
So it's kind of interesting that you thought your Gibson sounded great and dropped C# with 9 to 46.. If you listen to that back you can hear your guitar is often going out of tune every single time you strum too hard. If You're OK with that, then sure it's fine... I'm not sure if that was an intonation issue or a string issue but I could certainly hear it.
4:38 - ffs, the string action should be measured from the fret, not the fretboard!
I can tune to G flat drop G flat on the 26 1/2 inch seven string Jackson with a 64
If you’re only tuning to A or B, you really don’t need to sacrifice the tonality and playability of those 5 normal strings for the sing bass string
You can easily tune even fender jaguar to drop A using Gojira Archetype
Baritone guitars Are the way they should go I have a less Paul And I have the same problems you had not worth it if you're going to play under drop c
11-70 Zack Wilde ghs on lespaul in Drop A# works very well for me