We all know that UA-cam re-encodes videos and makes them look worse, right? So here is a huge album of frame-grabs from my Shark Byte system, so you can evaluate the image quality. imgur.com/a/vgfUQIe These are direct from the Shark Byte DVR, which I believe is a relatively accurate representation of what you see in the goggles. (I used an HDMI splitter and HDMI capture card to record a high-bitrate version of the video stream and compared it side by side with the DVR. They were very similar.)
Awesome! Huge thanks and respect for the time and effort you put into doing this video and test Joshua, and for listening to the community when the original.video was uploaded. I'm.so.glad you got to experience HDZero and look forward to seeing more about it from you as the system.continues to develop and evolve 🤟
Good job with this one. I think you handled the situation as well as anybody could ask. Thanks for taking the time to make it right! There's still RF breakup on the signal, but that's going to be normal if you fly behind vegetation at 200mW. It's looking really clean now when you fly in front of yourself. That was not the case before. Mystery solved! :-)
Don't apologize for double notifying me, I need more knowledge on the daily so more would be nice actually :D Thanks for bein such a stand up guy good sir!
This is why the community made so much noise. Alot of people witnessed a misrepresentation. It wasn't bardwells fault. He did a great thing hearing us out despite so e attacks on him
Drop shipped from china your not getting them anytime soon. I've had products cleared by us customs 2 weeks ago and USPS still doesn't have them. Label created.
thanks for taking time and feedback to re test , also im actually surprised how well it handled the penetration there through all the vegetation , makes me want to try and push my flying further and really excited for higher power . well done
I can't believe how well you re-flew and synced that replacement flight. That's gnarly, really really well done JB. Lots of hidden work there, I've got mad respect for going back and reflying, re-editing that. That's integrity, that's caring about the community. Thanks from New Zealand, mate.
To clarify, this will clip into my HDO goggles and give me digital clarity? Of course with appropriate tx on the quad. This will make the goggles work only with the digital platform and the analog transmitters that I have will be obsolete unless the Sharkbite portions are swapped out for existing receiver ? And, antennae? One unit at RDQ is what is currently available? Saw the interview with the creator, understood maybe 20% of his explanation but seems committed and knowledgeable (duh) and willing to do whatever is necessary to make the best unit possible.
Would you look at that... The image is not actually as bad as you thought. Had I not had my own experience I would have taken your word for it and never bought. Many others did exactly that. I'm just glad you came back and corrected it, props for that 👍
@@chrish1645 I totally agree here but JB is really the one who I would listen to more then anyone else, alot of people respect his opinion and think he is very real in his reviews so do I. This one was just off
@@aphinion why would I do that? That's like me getting in a ring with floyd mayweather and saying I'd win if you tie your hands behind your back. Dji is clearly better I've I've got to handicap myself to make it a fair comparison. Set sharkbyte to 1200mw then compare. O no wait, you cant!
One racing issue for SB (or DJI) is what you do about live-streaming? Nowadays, you can buy 8 cheap vrxs, 8 omnis, a dvr, and stream a race. But for digital, that is going to be 8 not so cheap vrxs, 8x4 antennas, and some sort of multi-channel hdmi capture device. Maybe something like orqa connect is the answer where we all stream our feeds over wifi (sic) to race control.
The new footage looks so much better! As a happy shark byte user, it matches what I've seen. The gap in price between analog and DJI is so epically huge. The shark byte system fits nicely in the middle and is a nice way for guys like me to finally experience HD! Joshua, I hope you review the new Scout goggles soon. I really like mine, and again, I think they're a great HD option for those of us without HDO or DJI money.
This is the best I've seen this system work with the re-uploaded footage. Picture is nice and clear but still seems to always have a 1980s vhs feel to it.
The Shark Byte Frame Grabs looks very clear sure better than any analog but you asked what people doing, so in my case I use analog with lc filters and redundand ground wiring for racing but for the rest i use DJI.
it seems a lot more stable than analog, but at times the corrupted data coming in seems quite jarring. Of course youtube compression has not been kind to it, i'll give it that, and I'll admit this is signifigantly better than analog.
Much better, not quiet as distracting. It’s a shame they can’t build in some level of error correction that repeats the nearest good pixel which might help with the really big breakups. Unfortunately I’ve never experience any sort of interference from WiFi with the DJI system even though the area of the UK I’m in is swamped by it.
you work really hard for us and we appreciate it, i commented yesterday as a reactionary enthusiast but still waiting for more info about all this and maybe some updates to make it either sharkbyte or DJI equal, in quality and latency. both are great brands.
Well, indeed much better. This is not DJI visual quality, but it is a different tool anyway. Seems colors improved - try to fly at different time of day - with clouds and dusk. Interference from 5.8 GHz WiFi is still not good news. Which mean that basically anything nearby in WiFi bands will swamp you with noise. I hope that this will get improved in future.
Excellent work Joshua, glad you got the interference issue sorted. I found a Shark Byte DVR file of yours I downloaded from in a video description back in February(?), where you also flew around your property and it looked cleaner (interference wise) than the footage in this video. edit: Found the video, "FatShark Shark Byte 2 is finally here. Was it worth the wait?" November 2, 2020
I was thinking of buying into the dji video setup. But now i wonder if i should hold off and see what SharkByte does. This video quality is certainly acceptable. And if the system is cheaper & more open....
I'll stick with analog for now as I'm not ready to spend what it takes to get started with digital. Once there is another digital system on the market and the prices fall I'll make the switch. My guess is that it will be another couple of years.
Ok that is much more workable, I was getting anxiety attacks before. This would be great for a babytooth.... but it makes sense why some would really like this, just don't see me dumping DJI for this or... get this on a board with ELRS... All that said, I'm no racer....
How come even the static image is not as crystal clear as DJI? You would think it would match it in that respect. But I like how Shark Byte doesn’t get blurry when going through a lot of trees like DJI does.
Well that looks so much better!!! Brilliant! Remember guys n Gals...... this is 200mw! Whilst we await the 1w board I suggest and request the JB return to to the 500mw double board and fly that..... I'm fed up of people whining about SB having no penetration or range.... I've been very happy with my 200mw board and my 500mw even more so I reckon a very large percentage of people would be more than happy on 500mw. All that said.... 1w is on its way
Yeah, much better! Thanks for the effort, Joshua! 😃 The system is getting better and better. But... It's still not there for me. But I hope they get there! 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
That's fair man! But it definitely shows that, especially coming from analog, this is a step up to mw and a great option. I wouldn't say it will replace dji for why you love dji, but the 1 watt board will definitely make this compelling
@@anthonyfpvminiquad1728 Oh, I'm definitely looking forward to see that board! 😃 About DJI, as I already said, I don't like the brand. I don't even know why. And I don't have the system, but because of money... My business is taking too much right now. 😬
I think currently shark byte is not very accessible. There aren't many drones which include it in a BNF format (maybe only Rotor Riot?), and the non-flash-sale price of the RX5.1 system is kind of ridiculous. When drones are more accessible, and we can get some decent whoops, etc... with the sharkbyte system, I think it will take off as a decent alternative to the DJI system. It can be used with many existing analog fatshark goggles, which will bring the cost-of-entry down for some.
Yeah I think it’s because his wife router has a program to scan different channels to improve performance so even tho he’s on race channel 8 which is farthest from regular Wi-Fi… it is still changing and at some points getting close to race channel 8 which adds interference.
Glad it isn’t as bad as in the last take. Though I kinda wanted to get SB for micros for flying at home. There is so much wifi here (which I cannot control) that I fear even on Raceband 8 there is enough bleed to make this unenjoyable.
Great revisitation....I'd like to see some other company do a stand alone Video Receiver that feeds a monitor...That's the next logical step, the FS goggle screens don't do it justice IMO...🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨😳🇬🇧
Thank you for this, I just bit on the flash sale for the receiver and got the Race trans as well. What antennas do you recommend and where can I find that camera? And where can I get longer cables for the camera, my VTx will be at the back of my Roma?
Pyro, RDQ and GetFPV sell the 12cm cable, which is plenty long enough to reach the back. As far as antennas, just get matching sets for the best reception.
How do we know Sharkbite's latency is consistent? Has that been tested? (or is it a marking and paper assumption?) Obviously not even close to DJI on image quality or "HD'idness". So the consistency of latency at varying range is a pretty important factor if that is what everyone is hanging their hat on for where Sharkbite shines. I guess that; a more compact VTX, and Canvas Mode.
This is one pricey pricey setup especially if your not running fat shark goggles already kinda crazy compared to dji at a price point of 899$ right now for goggles drone and controller! Every pro pilot is using dji or has used dji so is it really worth the price difference?
So does that mean you will turn off wifi for all your flights to give the best possible environment to all your upcoming reviews? Maybe your variable latency issues with dji is caused by your AP as well??? Food for thought. Good video gave me hope for my SB setup
More like just pick a channel that isn't spot on your wifi channel. My SB, analog and DJI all have issues if I fly on channel 1 at my house, I need to be at least 2 or 3 channels off of the WiFi or it cuts my range to less than 1/4, including the DJI where my image quality goes to potato with latency going to 40-50-60ms when flying behind a single shrub.
To those calling out Josh for misjudging sharkbyte before, I feel like his initial footage raises a very valid and real concern. It looks like the selectivity of the sharkbyte receiver isn't super great. The bands used by fpv *should* fall outside of the wifi bands. If he is getting interference from his AP (even if it's from spurious emissions), then other may likely encounter the speckles as well out in the field with others carrying around hotspots and the sort. It could also be that his access points are just putting out a ton of spurious emissions the concerns are in fact invalid in general use. I can't tell over the internet, it's just a though.
Sharkbyte channels 1 through 8 line up exactly with analog raceband 1 through 8 and also DJI channels 1 through 8. In addition, DJI video does take a hit from wifi interference, it looks a little different, but you get more latency and more signal degradation. DJI just hides it with higher latency, compression and smoothing but it's not really any better at wifi rejection.
@@JoshuaBardwell Correct, and the top wifi channels are very commonly picked by wifi equipment, most decent wireless gear tends to use the bathroom stall method, lowest, highest, middle and then fills in with highest separation possible. None of the systems are magic, they cannot "reject" signal outside of using polarized antennas, if the interference gets higher than the signal you have issues. The real problem is when your 200mw source 300 feet away is being drowned out by a 500mw source 10 feet away you get issues regardless of what you use.
1w VTX. Hit the nail on the head there... Think a 1w VTX would need it's own cooling system... Maybe a little tank of gass pumped around the board 😊. It certainly looks like the future of racing at the very least, if not replacing analogue if the range is sorted out.
SB is future, flew SB today at first time, 3inch toothpick , can't go back to analog, even on 25mW image is clear and no noise when I had it on analog. And this all at the price of 200$ (had goggles already) and +70$ for second vtx/cam from market
Not sure if it's been said as I'm still waking up, cant tell if you knew from the "(I want a 1 watt vtx)", but from Ryan: "a 1000mW HDZero VTX is official and is being tested" and I cannot wait, idk how far out it is but I'm very hyped for it regardless
Thanks for the reupload. That footage actually looks super nice and totally what you expect from 200mW. Now all we need is a compact durable 1W VTX and maybe Orqa-Goggles capable of receiving it ;D (Seriously, I think this board looks ridiculously big with tons of wasted space on it and a not exactly state-of-the-art pitch. Who is engineering/manufacturing these boards o.O And that add-on-Antenna for the HDO2 looks like crap...) * keeps thumbs pressed this system improves *
What is that XT30 looking connector on the arms of the new drone. It connects the 3 motor wires, to the motor. But... XT30 only has 2 plugs. What is it that?!!
Since DJI can go up to 1200 mW where SB is at either 200 or 500 mW, DJI destroys SB. Even when put at the same mW, DJI stays flyable longer, although the image degrades somewhat.
Thanks for the re-upload. The fact that you had to out right disable your WiFi still means SB is a no-go for me. And I still wasn't super impressed with the quality, compared to a nice analog system. Thanks for the insight!
It's only because of where he's standing so close to the source. You can absolutely fly in high wifi areas better than analog. It's been confirmed and tested. I got tons of footage of 200mw tests in urban neighborhoods with big wifi interference :)
If you still think it's not significantly better than analog maybe get your eyes checked. I am not kidding or being hostile. Most people don't notice they need (new) glasses for quite a while. I didn't. Maybe watch a video where SB and analog are side by side.
@@JoshuaBardwell so no matter how strong video signal is (except if totally down) , osd is always be clear. Right? Osd info puts in every package? Or transmossion protocol send osd in separate packages?
Diggin' the 👕. 😏 Shark Bite definitely has potential. Power upgraded is something that some users have been saying that they are waiting for that. Now I'm also waiting patiently for the Consumer Choice Edition if they are going to be able to produce that result. Oh.🤔 Still no regrets about buying the Attitude V6. That video receiver ribbon ↔ cable between the diversity is as Bardwell said in his review. The issue arises usually when it's Pagoda is slightly bumped or snagging a patch can leave it hanging by the ribbon. Being tethered or something in that effect could prevent the damage my cable has endured. That's the only thing I have an issue with. I think I have cracked my display on the top left. My fault. They fell hard and spidered the corner. 😔✌
whoa says you cant fit sharkbyte into analogue racing frames??? I squeezed (actually made room, I feel like its a solid amount of room) in a HB Kopis RACING 3 (yeah, the teenie one, with the litle turtle mode cap) with a tx5s.1 everything appears to have breathing room and the picture kills all my analogues but damn.....its a shame I wont be able to fit the new HDZERO runcam in it.....ill have to put that on my sourceone.....cheers! (sorry, feeling kinda proud atm, watch me break the thing lololol)
This is not a positive for SB which ever way you look at it. It just confirms its susceptible to wifi interference. Wifi is everywhere. You actually unintentionally provided useful information about its resistance to interference. :-)
Yeah, the first vid was genuine.. this is a test where he has to turn off all his WiFi to be able to get a clear picture. This whole episode is getting worse and worse. I don't know why he's doing this, unless he's getting paid to present the product..
@@ufopilotFPV he doesn't have to turn it off. I fly in high wifi area. It's directly related to being under 10 feet away while also only running 200mw. Once you create distance from vrx to wifi source "35 feet or more" the wifi interference goes away. I have videos in wifi hot spots. He only turned it off to be 100% he also could simply fly not next to his wifi directly
You can easily watch the commercial disclosure at the beginning of the video if you want to know whether I have received any compensation for the video. Analog would be affected in the same way.
@@JoshuaBardwell I'm doing my best to tell people to stop accusing you of doing anything malicious on purpose. Majority of us only had legitimate concerns and reacted to the comments section solidifying opinions. New flight looks GREAT and you did right man. Sorry that people are still jumping the gun. It's not being encouraged though. You'll be happy to know the 1 watt board is being sent for real life testing so your hopes will come true!
DJI is just as bad, it shows up as worse latency like 50ms+ & annoying jitter, don't fly anywhere near your wifi router or have a phone in your pocket doing wifi during LR flights... remember sharkbyte does no error correction, it spits the crud onto the screen as an artifact. What it receives is what it gets, there is no transmission packets from the goggles. Its overall a good compromise which can be avoided mostly with directional antennas, plus he was flying over his house dead spot.
Okay but like, I have to turn off my wifi to fly my Sharkbyte toothpick? Are you going to turn off your wifi for every DJI flight? IMO this is actually bias for Sharkbyte since you altered the environment to improve the footage. If wifi interferes with Sharkbyte like that, then that is a problem with Sharkbyte that needs addressed.
According to Ryan, the main issue is that I was standing too close to the WiFi AP. He recommends being at least 50' away from it. WiFi will interfere with analog in exactly the same way, although the effect on the video is a little less distracting in my opinion.
@@ItsBlunty this is being over exaggerated. For one thing, just fly R7 or R8. If that is not an option, then don't stand very close to the RF emitting device. It is not that HDZero can't work with wifi, it is about proximity to the wifi to the goggles
@@RyanQuellet Even if the system is perfectly flyable with that interference, I feel the point should be noted on the review (maybe even including some of the old footage which was flyable in my oppinion), since after all the protocol seems to be weak against wifi interference. Sure it shouldn't be a problem at a race in the middle of nowhere, but wifi is everywhere and there are places where you won't be able to turn it off.
I have noticed that on my Sharkbyte receiver that the mapping of the antenna bars is backwards. The pilots right eye antennas are shown as the left two of the four indicators, and the same with the left eye antennas: shown as the right two power meters. Can anyone confirm this? I'm attempting long range with helicals and noticed this today while flying.
I must be dumb, but I did not understand WHICH CAMERA is used in this video. the links to the products only has the VTX, no mention of the actual camera. nor I heard its name mentioned. can anyone help, please? sorry if I just keep missing it every time I watch the video 😞
We all know that UA-cam re-encodes videos and makes them look worse, right? So here is a huge album of frame-grabs from my Shark Byte system, so you can evaluate the image quality. imgur.com/a/vgfUQIe
These are direct from the Shark Byte DVR, which I believe is a relatively accurate representation of what you see in the goggles. (I used an HDMI splitter and HDMI capture card to record a high-bitrate version of the video stream and compared it side by side with the DVR. They were very similar.)
Thank you for this Joshua - and thank you for doing what you do as honest and unbiased as you do :)
Awesome! Huge thanks and respect for the time and effort you put into doing this video and test Joshua, and for listening to the community when the original.video was uploaded. I'm.so.glad you got to experience HDZero and look forward to seeing more about it from you as the system.continues to develop and evolve 🤟
Good job with this one. I think you handled the situation as well as anybody could ask. Thanks for taking the time to make it right! There's still RF breakup on the signal, but that's going to be normal if you fly behind vegetation at 200mW. It's looking really clean now when you fly in front of yourself. That was not the case before. Mystery solved! :-)
Don't apologize for double notifying me, I need more knowledge on the daily so more would be nice actually :D Thanks for bein such a stand up guy good sir!
Completely true 😊
Wow! That made a big difference. Thank you Joshua for taking a second look at this. Thank you
Huge difference!!!
The previous vid had me nervous. Now I'm excited to get my Shark Byte - mine apparently shipped yesterday!?!? Thank you for doing your due diligence!
Same, mine shipped from getfpv but no tracking number? Strange. Excited anyways!
@@johnnytech0309 same with mine, I ordered a spare bundle at the lower price, but no tracking
@@johnnytech0309 Same
This is why the community made so much noise. Alot of people witnessed a misrepresentation. It wasn't bardwells fault. He did a great thing hearing us out despite so e attacks on him
Drop shipped from china your not getting them anytime soon. I've had products cleared by us customs 2 weeks ago and USPS still doesn't have them. Label created.
thanks for taking time and feedback to re test , also im actually surprised how well it handled the penetration there through all the vegetation , makes me want to try and push my flying further and really excited for higher power . well done
As always your videos are appreciated. Thank you going above and beyond to portray the product in a honest light.
I can't believe how well you re-flew and synced that replacement flight. That's gnarly, really really well done JB. Lots of hidden work there, I've got mad respect for going back and reflying, re-editing that. That's integrity, that's caring about the community. Thanks from New Zealand, mate.
To clarify, this will clip into my HDO goggles and give me digital clarity? Of course with appropriate tx on the quad. This will make the goggles work only with the digital platform and the analog transmitters that I have will be obsolete unless the Sharkbite portions are swapped out for existing receiver ? And, antennae? One unit at RDQ is what is currently available? Saw the interview with the creator, understood maybe 20% of his explanation but seems committed and knowledgeable (duh) and willing to do whatever is necessary to make the best unit possible.
Yes. It plugs in mini hdmi in to your goggles. I run SharkByte on the old dom v3 and works fantastically
Would you look at that... The image is not actually as bad as you thought. Had I not had my own experience I would have taken your word for it and never bought. Many others did exactly that.
I'm just glad you came back and corrected it, props for that 👍
Still looks bad in comparison to dji
@@JC-qy6cx Set yours to 200mW and compare :) And that variable latency-thing is something you can not really see in the DVR Footage, but feel...
I'd suggest always trying to look at multiple reviews for a product you're considering.
@@chrish1645 I totally agree here but JB is really the one who I would listen to more then anyone else, alot of people respect his opinion and think he is very real in his reviews so do I. This one was just off
@@aphinion why would I do that? That's like me getting in a ring with floyd mayweather and saying I'd win if you tie your hands behind your back. Dji is clearly better I've I've got to handicap myself to make it a fair comparison. Set sharkbyte to 1200mw then compare. O no wait, you cant!
I don't always fly digital FPV. But when I do, I fly DJI. LOL
Thanks for redoing this video. It's better than before, but not enough to convert.
One racing issue for SB (or DJI) is what you do about live-streaming? Nowadays, you can buy 8 cheap vrxs, 8 omnis, a dvr, and stream a race. But for digital, that is going to be 8 not so cheap vrxs, 8x4 antennas, and some sort of multi-channel hdmi capture device. Maybe something like orqa connect is the answer where we all stream our feeds over wifi (sic) to race control.
Divimath are working on a race system which will help. Carl made a post on fb page a few weeks ago
your camera / microphone quality is so good, i feel like im in the same room with you. and the edits are perfect as well. thank you Mr. Bardwell
Great video JB, thank you for redoing it. Footage looks much better without that crazy wifi interference
The new footage looks so much better! As a happy shark byte user, it matches what I've seen. The gap in price between analog and DJI is so epically huge. The shark byte system fits nicely in the middle and is a nice way for guys like me to finally experience HD! Joshua, I hope you review the new Scout goggles soon. I really like mine, and again, I think they're a great HD option for those of us without HDO or DJI money.
Quality is not as horrible as in previous video, but quality wise DJI is in another league.
This is the best I've seen this system work with the re-uploaded footage. Picture is nice and clear but still seems to always have a 1980s vhs feel to it.
They're working their way up to betamax.
I'll keep my analogue setup thanks.
Fly with it in the goggles then talk if you wish 😉
The Shark Byte Frame Grabs looks very clear sure better than any analog but you asked what people doing, so in my case I use analog with lc filters and redundand ground wiring for racing but for the rest i use DJI.
it seems a lot more stable than analog, but at times the corrupted data coming in seems quite jarring. Of course youtube compression has not been kind to it, i'll give it that, and I'll admit this is signifigantly better than analog.
Much better, not quiet as distracting. It’s a shame they can’t build in some level of error correction that repeats the nearest good pixel which might help with the really big breakups. Unfortunately I’ve never experience any sort of interference from WiFi with the DJI system even though the area of the UK I’m in is swamped by it.
you work really hard for us and we appreciate it, i commented yesterday as a reactionary enthusiast but still waiting for more info about all this and maybe some updates to make it either sharkbyte or DJI equal, in quality and latency. both are great brands.
Thanks JB for handling this very well. (As you always do.)
@11:33 damn JB had to rewind that back to check out that sweet reversal move you did. Nailin those freestyle moves!
I agree.. I too want a 1W sharkbyte VTX for my 2 to 3 mile mountain surfing flights!
I don't have a dog in this fight, but Iove the way you handled the last week or so, Bardwell. Be well!
Well, indeed much better. This is not DJI visual quality, but it is a different tool anyway. Seems colors improved - try to fly at different time of day - with clouds and dusk. Interference from 5.8 GHz WiFi is still not good news. Which mean that basically anything nearby in WiFi bands will swamp you with noise. I hope that this will get improved in future.
the wifi interfere make a big different, very nice JB!
Excellent work Joshua, glad you got the interference issue sorted. I found a Shark Byte DVR file of yours I downloaded from in a video description back in February(?), where you also flew around your property and it looked cleaner (interference wise) than the footage in this video.
edit: Found the video, "FatShark Shark Byte 2 is finally here. Was it worth the wait?" November 2, 2020
The day Sharkbyte offers 1W+ is the day I switch.
Get your cash ready its coming
I was thinking of buying into the dji video setup. But now i wonder if i should hold off and see what SharkByte does. This video quality is certainly acceptable. And if the system is cheaper & more open....
Nice ! Joshua. I absolutely like it . It has improved 👍
I'll stick with analog for now as I'm not ready to spend what it takes to get started with digital. Once there is another digital system on the market and the prices fall I'll make the switch. My guess is that it will be another couple of years.
Bardwell doing his homework and going the extra mile!
Now that’s not to bad. I can work with that. I still agree with you. 1 watt vtx is needed.
Appreciate all your efforts sir. Still my go to guy for all my fpv knowledge
Ok that is much more workable,
I was getting anxiety attacks before.
This would be great for a babytooth....
but it makes sense why some would really like this,
just don't see me dumping DJI for this or...
get this on a board with ELRS...
All that said, I'm no racer....
Nice tech here. I'm still rocking analog video but use ELRS, only time I've had RSSI signal loss was when my controller died haha
How come even the static image is not as crystal clear as DJI? You would think it would match it in that respect. But I like how Shark Byte doesn’t get blurry when going through a lot of trees like DJI does.
It looks quite awesome. And much better than analog. I already have the skyzone o4x so this would be a great upgrade!
Wow I didn't realize the $100 receiver was the sale price. Even if I don't put Shark Byte on my next build, that's too good of a deal to pass up.
Well that looks so much better!!!
Brilliant!
Remember guys n Gals...... this is 200mw!
Whilst we await the 1w board I suggest and request the JB return to to the 500mw double board and fly that.....
I'm fed up of people whining about SB having no penetration or range.... I've been very happy with my 200mw board and my 500mw even more so I reckon a very large percentage of people would be more than happy on 500mw.
All that said.... 1w is on its way
Wow props on retiming your flight to the original audio man! Haha crazy good
Yeah, much better! Thanks for the effort, Joshua! 😃
The system is getting better and better. But... It's still not there for me.
But I hope they get there! 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
That's fair man! But it definitely shows that, especially coming from analog, this is a step up to mw and a great option. I wouldn't say it will replace dji for why you love dji, but the 1 watt board will definitely make this compelling
@@anthonyfpvminiquad1728 Oh, I'm definitely looking forward to see that board! 😃
About DJI, as I already said, I don't like the brand. I don't even know why. And I don't have the system, but because of money... My business is taking too much right now. 😬
Just need the OSD to interface with KISS now.
Exactly 👍.
I think currently shark byte is not very accessible. There aren't many drones which include it in a BNF format (maybe only Rotor Riot?), and the non-flash-sale price of the RX5.1 system is kind of ridiculous. When drones are more accessible, and we can get some decent whoops, etc... with the sharkbyte system, I think it will take off as a decent alternative to the DJI system. It can be used with many existing analog fatshark goggles, which will bring the cost-of-entry down for some.
still there seems to be some sort of interference when you fly on top of the house. could be random but much better than the previous one.!
Yeah I think it’s because his wife router has a program to scan different channels to improve performance so even tho he’s on race channel 8 which is farthest from regular Wi-Fi… it is still changing and at some points getting close to race channel 8 which adds interference.
@@marcusgreco No. The WiFi was completely disabled for this test.
@@JoshuaBardwell bro this looks SIGNIFICANTLY better too!!! Thank you so much for doing this
@@JoshuaBardwell Oh wow. then it should be some other interference from the same frequency. We definitely need 1W VTx lol.
@@JoshuaBardwell I'm sure otsbyour dead zone as ots right above where you're standing right? Roof plus dead zone seems like what it is
I'm in with FS when thes come up with some stronger VTX. I think minimum 800 mw would be good 4 the beginning.
Glad it isn’t as bad as in the last take. Though I kinda wanted to get SB for micros for flying at home. There is so much wifi here (which I cannot control) that I fear even on Raceband 8 there is enough bleed to make this unenjoyable.
Thanks Joshua.
I'll watch twice, thanks for all you do Bardwell.
Great revisitation....I'd like to see some other company do a stand alone Video Receiver that feeds a monitor...That's the next logical step, the FS goggle screens don't do it justice IMO...🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨😳🇬🇧
Holding onto analog, i have about 40 quads all analog. Sharkbite will have to get better. maybe more power would help.
SB performs much better at your house than expected. You have a serious wifi setup btw!
Don't forget about OpenHD
Thanks for the re-upload - that looks HD…now do I order one 🤔
I'll get onboard when we have 800mw+ vtx available.
Thank you for this, I just bit on the flash sale for the receiver and got the Race trans as well. What antennas do you recommend and where can I find that camera? And where can I get longer cables for the camera, my VTx will be at the back of my Roma?
The camera isn't available yet. For longer cables, I'm not sure.
Pyro, RDQ and GetFPV sell the 12cm cable, which is plenty long enough to reach the back. As far as antennas, just get matching sets for the best reception.
You do too much!!! Appreciate you JB
How do we know Sharkbite's latency is consistent? Has that been tested?
(or is it a marking and paper assumption?)
Obviously not even close to DJI on image quality or "HD'idness". So the consistency of latency at varying range is a pretty important factor if that is what everyone is hanging their hat on for where Sharkbite shines. I guess that; a more compact VTX, and Canvas Mode.
All we need now is a 1W VTX and 😘👌
This is one pricey pricey setup especially if your not running fat shark goggles already kinda crazy compared to dji at a price point of 899$ right now for goggles drone and controller! Every pro pilot is using dji or has used dji so is it really worth the price difference?
"I want a 1 watt vtx !" Me too man !
Then you won't be racing with it. 25mw only..
@@ufopilotFPV I'm cool with that I don't race :)
Yessss! I'm so excited for mine👀
So does that mean you will turn off wifi for all your flights to give the best possible environment to all your upcoming reviews? Maybe your variable latency issues with dji is caused by your AP as well??? Food for thought.
Good video gave me hope for my SB setup
More like just pick a channel that isn't spot on your wifi channel. My SB, analog and DJI all have issues if I fly on channel 1 at my house, I need to be at least 2 or 3 channels off of the WiFi or it cuts my range to less than 1/4, including the DJI where my image quality goes to potato with latency going to 40-50-60ms when flying behind a single shrub.
1w transmitter please!
Thanks JB, this is good stuff
What is that sock or elastic that's arounnd the body at 0:50 ? What is its purpose?
To those calling out Josh for misjudging sharkbyte before, I feel like his initial footage raises a very valid and real concern.
It looks like the selectivity of the sharkbyte receiver isn't super great. The bands used by fpv *should* fall outside of the wifi bands. If he is getting interference from his AP (even if it's from spurious emissions), then other may likely encounter the speckles as well out in the field with others carrying around hotspots and the sort.
It could also be that his access points are just putting out a ton of spurious emissions the concerns are in fact invalid in general use. I can't tell over the internet, it's just a though.
Sharkbyte channels 1 through 8 line up exactly with analog raceband 1 through 8 and also DJI channels 1 through 8. In addition, DJI video does take a hit from wifi interference, it looks a little different, but you get more latency and more signal degradation. DJI just hides it with higher latency, compression and smoothing but it's not really any better at wifi rejection.
Look at an FPV channel chart. Race 1 through Race 5 overlap with the top WiFi channels.
@@JoshuaBardwell Correct, and the top wifi channels are very commonly picked by wifi equipment, most decent wireless gear tends to use the bathroom stall method, lowest, highest, middle and then fills in with highest separation possible. None of the systems are magic, they cannot "reject" signal outside of using polarized antennas, if the interference gets higher than the signal you have issues. The real problem is when your 200mw source 300 feet away is being drowned out by a 500mw source 10 feet away you get issues regardless of what you use.
1w VTX. Hit the nail on the head there... Think a 1w VTX would need it's own cooling system... Maybe a little tank of gass pumped around the board 😊.
It certainly looks like the future of racing at the very least, if not replacing analogue if the range is sorted out.
SB is future, flew SB today at first time, 3inch toothpick , can't go back to analog, even on 25mW image is clear and no noise when I had it on analog. And this all at the price of 200$ (had goggles already) and +70$ for second vtx/cam from market
@sharkbyte why isn’t error correction algorithms being used?
When will we see 3d fpv?
Dual cameras and dual displays.
I think you could do that already.
“Joshua (integrity) Bardwell” I’m sorry it couldn’t be “Danger” baby- yeah! 🤓
Edit: Ops, great video again Sir..👍
Not sure if it's been said as I'm still waking up, cant tell if you knew from the "(I want a 1 watt vtx)", but from Ryan: "a 1000mW HDZero VTX is official and is being tested" and I cannot wait, idk how far out it is but I'm very hyped for it regardless
Wow... what a difference with the previous video..
Thanks for the reupload. That footage actually looks super nice and totally what you expect from 200mW. Now all we need is a compact durable 1W VTX and maybe Orqa-Goggles capable of receiving it ;D (Seriously, I think this board looks ridiculously big with tons of wasted space on it and a not exactly state-of-the-art pitch. Who is engineering/manufacturing these boards o.O And that add-on-Antenna for the HDO2 looks like crap...) * keeps thumbs pressed this system improves *
What is that XT30 looking connector on the arms of the new drone. It connects the 3 motor wires, to the motor. But... XT30 only has 2 plugs. What is it that?!!
It's mt30.
maybe we'll see a happymodel AIO whoop board with sharkbyte and ELRS in the next year or so!
Tell people to set video quality to the highest
Since I started flying Shark Byte, UA-cam has been recommending weird plumbing videos.
What's with all these easy connections? LOL Those are some great plumbing fittings though
Hey JB, how did you increase the size of your OSD elements? What about the little signal strength indicator? Am I missing something obvious?
It's Shark Byte canvas mode OSD.
@@JoshuaBardwell thanks JB, just realised I missed a firmware update with the OSD changes
A range comparison between SB and DJI would be nice.
Since DJI can go up to 1200 mW where SB is at either 200 or 500 mW, DJI destroys SB. Even when put at the same mW, DJI stays flyable longer, although the image degrades somewhat.
Thanks for the re-upload. The fact that you had to out right disable your WiFi still means SB is a no-go for me. And I still wasn't super impressed with the quality, compared to a nice analog system. Thanks for the insight!
It's only because of where he's standing so close to the source. You can absolutely fly in high wifi areas better than analog. It's been confirmed and tested. I got tons of footage of 200mw tests in urban neighborhoods with big wifi interference :)
If you still think it's not significantly better than analog maybe get your eyes checked. I am not kidding or being hostile. Most people don't notice they need (new) glasses for quite a while. I didn't.
Maybe watch a video where SB and analog are side by side.
New rancam give a very nice looking video. But, again, texts looking much cleaner then the picture from camera (according to images on imgur) why??
The OSD text is drawn over the image by the vrx module.
@@JoshuaBardwell so no matter how strong video signal is (except if totally down) , osd is always be clear. Right? Osd info puts in every package? Or transmossion protocol send osd in separate packages?
The OSD is still transmitted as part of the video datastream. So the OSD can be interrupted by weak video signal.
@@JoshuaBardwell very interesting, thank you!
Diggin' the 👕. 😏 Shark Bite definitely has potential. Power upgraded is something that some users have been saying that they are waiting for that.
Now I'm also waiting patiently for the Consumer Choice Edition if they are going to be able to produce that result.
Oh.🤔
Still no regrets about buying the Attitude V6. That video receiver ribbon ↔ cable between the diversity is as Bardwell said in his review.
The issue arises usually when it's Pagoda is slightly bumped or snagging a patch can leave it hanging by the ribbon. Being tethered or something in that effect could prevent the damage my cable has endured.
That's the only thing I have an issue with.
I think I have cracked my display on the top left.
My fault. They fell hard and spidered the corner. 😔✌
Wait. $100? Affiliate link here I come.
Great review!
Will this vtx fit on the back of your qav-s frame.
but downside is no microphone on board so no audio,,,feels empty when flying without motorsound
whoa says you cant fit sharkbyte into analogue racing frames??? I squeezed (actually made room, I feel like its a solid amount of room) in a HB Kopis RACING 3 (yeah, the teenie one, with the litle turtle mode cap) with a tx5s.1 everything appears to have breathing room and the picture kills all my analogues but damn.....its a shame I wont be able to fit the new HDZERO runcam in it.....ill have to put that on my sourceone.....cheers! (sorry, feeling kinda proud atm, watch me break the thing lololol)
Does SharkByte support full and proper OSD? Does it support pixel OSD that's used in all the new iNav builds?
Damn, did you even replicate the flight to match the original commentary?
Where are the links for camera?
It's not released for sale yet.
Looks really good
🤔Almost ready to switch.... Really really close🤣🤣🤣👊👊😎👍
This is not a positive for SB which ever way you look at it. It just confirms its susceptible to wifi interference. Wifi is everywhere. You actually unintentionally provided useful information about its resistance to interference. :-)
Yeah, the first vid was genuine.. this is a test where he has to turn off all his WiFi to be able to get a clear picture. This whole episode is getting worse and worse. I don't know why he's doing this, unless he's getting paid to present the product..
@@ufopilotFPV he doesn't have to turn it off. I fly in high wifi area. It's directly related to being under 10 feet away while also only running 200mw. Once you create distance from vrx to wifi source "35 feet or more" the wifi interference goes away. I have videos in wifi hot spots. He only turned it off to be 100% he also could simply fly not next to his wifi directly
You can easily watch the commercial disclosure at the beginning of the video if you want to know whether I have received any compensation for the video.
Analog would be affected in the same way.
@@JoshuaBardwell I'm doing my best to tell people to stop accusing you of doing anything malicious on purpose. Majority of us only had legitimate concerns and reacted to the comments section solidifying opinions. New flight looks GREAT and you did right man. Sorry that people are still jumping the gun. It's not being encouraged though. You'll be happy to know the 1 watt board is being sent for real life testing so your hopes will come true!
DJI is just as bad, it shows up as worse latency like 50ms+ & annoying jitter, don't fly anywhere near your wifi router or have a phone in your pocket doing wifi during LR flights... remember sharkbyte does no error correction, it spits the crud onto the screen as an artifact. What it receives is what it gets, there is no transmission packets from the goggles. Its overall a good compromise which can be avoided mostly with directional antennas, plus he was flying over his house dead spot.
Good work 👍
Okay but like, I have to turn off my wifi to fly my Sharkbyte toothpick? Are you going to turn off your wifi for every DJI flight? IMO this is actually bias for Sharkbyte since you altered the environment to improve the footage.
If wifi interferes with Sharkbyte like that, then that is a problem with Sharkbyte that needs addressed.
According to Ryan, the main issue is that I was standing too close to the WiFi AP. He recommends being at least 50' away from it. WiFi will interfere with analog in exactly the same way, although the effect on the video is a little less distracting in my opinion.
Most houses don't have 5.8g access points. I think the majority of people run 2.4g routers with a single access point.
@@ItsBlunty this is being over exaggerated. For one thing, just fly R7 or R8. If that is not an option, then don't stand very close to the RF emitting device. It is not that HDZero can't work with wifi, it is about proximity to the wifi to the goggles
@@RyanQuellet Even if the system is perfectly flyable with that interference, I feel the point should be noted on the review (maybe even including some of the old footage which was flyable in my oppinion), since after all the protocol seems to be weak against wifi interference. Sure it shouldn't be a problem at a race in the middle of nowhere, but wifi is everywhere and there are places where you won't be able to turn it off.
@@veryfewletters switch to r7 or r8. It is not an issue there
I have noticed that on my Sharkbyte receiver that the mapping of the antenna bars is backwards. The pilots right eye antennas are shown as the left two of the four indicators, and the same with the left eye antennas: shown as the right two power meters. Can anyone confirm this? I'm attempting long range with helicals and noticed this today while flying.
I must be dumb, but I did not understand WHICH CAMERA is used in this video. the links to the products only has the VTX, no mention of the actual camera. nor I heard its name mentioned. can anyone help, please? sorry if I just keep missing it every time I watch the video 😞
The camera used is a not-yet-released Runcam camera. That's why it's not linked.
@@JoshuaBardwell understood. thanks. I assume it's the HDZero then? 😃
Please help, hkw to activate v2 goggles how can i do it in my settings dont have switch to dji fpv system why