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Hooray! Casey has learnt about Natural Toneh! Mimmicking the human eye is what looks most real. Indoors your iris is wide-open so you need F1.8 to get realistic toneh. Outdoors your eyes stop down (human auto-exposure is good), so the natural toneh look is at least F4, probably F5.6 on full frame. Learn to check what your eyes are showing you in each situation young Casey, and achieve Natural Toneh!
I just love the super wide distortion effect. Just as you've done, putting your face in the middle so it looks normal, and the environment distorted around you looks really cool to me.
I watch your vids on my 60 inch TV and both lenses have terrible wobbles in the corners when you’re walking. Maybe that’s inherent in super wide angle lenses in all brands for video. I use canon and haven’t purchased the 15-35 f2.8 for that exact reason. Inside, the Sony colors seem too red on your face while the Olympus looks more natural. That one shot you did with the bright backlight on both cameras shows just how good the Sony is for dynamic range, exposing your face correctly and catching the background without it being blown out, it’s amazing.
Still looks like you mixing REC2020 with REC709, that's why shirt colors are all over the place. Use Davinci's Color Space Transform when you mixing footage from different cameras or set the same standard in both cameras before recording.
Before I even knew the cameras and lenses, I said to myself, "Whichever is on the right, the colors suck." Glad it was the expensive rig that sucks. Love M43...for the win, at least inside.
On the phone, the inside shots olympus won by a mile, pleasant face colours, sony had way too much contrast. Outside oly too yellow a bit, sony too red a bit. both nice, rich image q. autoexposure sometimes one would be better, sometimes the other.
Indoors with the superior Olympus you'd have to use a longer lens and set it back further in order to get soft Toneh (can't believe I wrote that). It might be worth it, since it's already superior outdoors. Too bad about the overexposure USER ERROR. Otherwise a great video.
Ok I see it outside, the stretched out reality, it’s EXACTLY what I don’t like about the RF15-35 lens, the toneh itself is stretched, maybe it is too wide for outdoors where lots and lots of stretched toneh 🤔🤔🤔
Any lens that wide will stretch at the periphery. That's how 2D perspective works. A fisheye lens is actually optically more accurate to how your eye actually sees; but since human eyes only focus at the very center and our field of view isn't that wide, we can't perceive it.
A 1-inch or a m43 sensor size is probably the best compromise for a resonabla portable camera aimed at vlogging and video, with the added ability to get you decent photos. But it is still hard to beat the Sony x3000, DJI Osmo Pocket or GoPro for size, portability and video capability.
Great episode again. It feels like stopping the Olympus down to -0.33 or even -0.66 would have taken out the strong highlights in your face and keep some of the skys blue. Btw, just a thought: what about the Oly 8mm/f1.8 fisheye? Sure, needs defishing in post, but that shouldn't eat up too much processing power while enconding the whole show anyway. What do you think?
There certainly is a point where UWA lenses seem to distort just too much...you even see a slight difference between these 14mm and 15mm (equiv) lenses. Personally a fan of the Laowa 10mm f2...these are tiny gems on a small body 😏
Yes to your first question, even with your basic lighting and filming setup there is a huge difference, which can be further exacerbated with a more complex set :D Olympus looks like an action cam with a bit of toneh.
the aspherical elements and tele centricity are the reason for that extreme stretching effect on sony. as it is full frame it is more difficult to make the lens telecentric.
just be as distorted as possible. I have an idea. use editing tricks to make the heavily distorted corner appear IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. was wondering why you don't stop down to 4 to get the f4 look?
Here's where I'm at with Toneh now, as a viewer of vlogs: no Toneh at all is needed, provided that the image is soft and nice. As soon as sharpening is introduced, you need the Toneh to combat the harsh cheapness of the sharpened look. One of the best Vlogging images I've seen is this fun German photographer who attaches a GoPro Hero 7 on his camera so he can show and explain how he decides what to photograph. It's just in the "natural" colour profile, 5000 Kelvin (GoPro auto white balance reportedly takes processing power away from the video decoding), no sharpening and some nice colour grading in post. I'm telling you, that's the way to go. Save the Toneh for the cinematographers
@@hubey damn, Now that you asked I forgot and had to search around forever! The name of the channel is really long, but this is the video that made me subscribe to his channel. No GoPro here, but you'll find some elsewhere on his channel ua-cam.com/video/LBBe8yIZcak/v-deo.html I actually think his latest video is s good example
@@Herfinnur thank you so much for looking it up for me, I acknowledge and appreciate your time and efforts. I watch the linked video and his latest and totally agree with you. Thank you for contributing your perspective, I found it to be really helpful :-)
Nice comparison. There's definitely more stretching in the Sony 14mm lens. They should have gone with at 16mm instead. But the Sony lens has more Toneh inside your room and looks better during this video.
Nice. The Olympus has weird yellow tones with the color “science”. (same thing on Panasonic) I’m a Pani boy. I suggest compensating on white balance. You can keep it auto white balance but go to the WB settings and click the color box adjuster thing over to B1 or B2 (this brings in slightly more blue and reduces the awful yellow tones.) This way it will look less like you're in 1970s cigarette-smoke-filled yellow crustiness.
and I thought I'm the only one seeing all yellow tones of the planet on Kaseys face... @Kasey: you DO calibrate your monitors with a Spyder or alike, do you? ^^
How about try the Samyang/Rokinon 18mm f/2.8 or the 14mm 2.8mm for Sony? Should be smaller eh. Oh yeah olympus colour ftw. IMO the m43 narrower dynamic range outdoors isn't too noticeable because of the walk and talk vlog style.
brother, there is something i wonder, we look for sharp crisp looks but movies have a lot softness, not ultrasharp crispy stuffs, yet not too shallow depth of field (may be a 3 to 5 around). what's the point here when we want cinematism but too sharp and crisp video at the same time. help me understand may be?
Awesome Video !! I was surprised that 75%-85% of the time the Olympus was way better than the Sony. I may have to re-think my Canon and GoPro strategy. Tohna Tohne. I'm starting to talk like you. oh no.
Olympus Log & Sony S-cine both look pink shirt to me compared to flat & Standard which show red. Dynamic range didn't seem to change enough to notice in my simpleton eyes.
Since most of us watch content of UA-cam in our smartphones and tablets. I don't understand why I should have to pay for a Sony A7SIII if I could get an inexpensive Micro Fourth Thirds camera like the Panasonic Lumix G85 is around $450-$550 and it is still awesome I know it is not the best in autofocus but I am just an enthusiast photographer and videographer. If I was a professional photographer then I could go full frame and pay for the best but that is not the case for many of us.
Professional event photographer here, and my M43 gear gets more use these days than my FF stuff. FF is NOT even remotely a requirement for professional work. Knowledge of photography beats sensor size every single day.
@@DanniPortillo yep, but don't worry, some gear snob will "well actually" any minute about how wrong I am...even though I won't respond, because they're wrong 😆
Okay wth, why does olumpus look like it's in soft even light but sony has red and shadows all over your face? Full frame lies?? But then outside full frame looked awesome!!im so confused!?
I identified the Sony immediately. For some reason the Olympus looked way overexposed, and soft. Pro Mist filter? [EDIT: Kasey explained at a later point in the video that he shot the Olympus at EV+1.]
can you compare dynamic range between the dxomark king nikon d850 vs sony a7siii in video mode.Because dxomark are testing dynamic range in photo mode and at full megapixel which is ithink is a misleading when it comes to video dynamic range in which senser use only 2 megapixel in FHD and 8mp in 4k..know that the number of pixels affects dynamic range directly .
I gotta say, the Olympus looks better to me, outside and inside.More tones on the Sony, but stabilization and and colors of Olympus looks better to me.
For me Olympus has so much better colors and contrast. I don't know what's wrong with colors of Sony, I always thought that sony has yellow-brown warm colors, panasonic has teal-green-yellow with natural contrast, fuji has purple-blue-green tint with hard contrast.
Laowa is delivers amazing results considering its size. Maybe they'll make an AF version of it one day. Micro b1tch - I think I now have a new name for it. I would not buy the beast lens - too imperfect for its size.
@@andersistbesser Not a problem per se, but not the bokeh/toneh one would imagine if it is indeed f2, that is all. Seems like it isn't f2 ( but I am sure it is) visually from all the examples I have seen Casey show us.
@@CanuckQuest i understand. I like the 2-8-4.0 bokee , i cant stand it if you cant recognize the background anymore. Superwide lenses are not made for bokee anyway
I think the Olympus is the hands down winner---not in every instant, but over all. And Olympus colors look so much better. Sony colors--and shadow fall off---UGLY. Very unattractive.
Too much tone looks like you are using a green screen, that’s what made the X3000 so good. You need to get another one and compare it to the A7S3. I’m guessing you already know the answer.
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Hooray! Casey has learnt about Natural Toneh! Mimmicking the human eye is what looks most real. Indoors your iris is wide-open so you need F1.8 to get realistic toneh. Outdoors your eyes stop down (human auto-exposure is good), so the natural toneh look is at least F4, probably F5.6 on full frame. Learn to check what your eyes are showing you in each situation young Casey, and achieve Natural Toneh!
Thank you for calling them out. Sony needs constructive criticism from vloggers/customers. Or else they will keep recycling old tech as new.
The G9 at factory settings under natural would be good competition. Try before you stone me
I just love the super wide distortion effect.
Just as you've done, putting your face in the middle so it looks normal, and the environment distorted around you looks really cool to me.
I watch your vids on my 60 inch TV and both lenses have terrible wobbles in the corners when you’re walking. Maybe that’s inherent in super wide angle lenses in all brands for video. I use canon and haven’t purchased the 15-35 f2.8 for that exact reason. Inside, the Sony colors seem too red on your face while the Olympus looks more natural. That one shot you did with the bright backlight on both cameras shows just how good the Sony is for dynamic range, exposing your face correctly and catching the background without it being blown out, it’s amazing.
Still looks like you mixing REC2020 with REC709, that's why shirt colors are all over the place. Use Davinci's Color Space Transform when you mixing footage from different cameras or set the same standard in both cameras before recording.
Before I even knew the cameras and lenses, I said to myself, "Whichever is on the right, the colors suck." Glad it was the expensive rig that sucks. Love M43...for the win, at least inside.
Your honesty sir is truly inspiring.
On the phone, the inside shots olympus won by a mile, pleasant face colours, sony had way too much contrast. Outside oly too yellow a bit, sony too red a bit. both nice, rich image q. autoexposure sometimes one would be better, sometimes the other.
I'm not sure what phone you're viewing this on to say the Olympus is better indoors
Indoors with the superior Olympus you'd have to use a longer lens and set it back further in order to get soft Toneh (can't believe I wrote that). It might be worth it, since it's already superior outdoors. Too bad about the overexposure USER ERROR. Otherwise a great video.
9:07 - "Where are we!?"
THE CINEMA! The cinema is OURS!
You can take a dry subject and make it fun, that's a unique skill
I thought the one on the left looked better....Olympus wins the gold medal.
Ok I see it outside, the stretched out reality, it’s EXACTLY what I don’t like about the RF15-35 lens, the toneh itself is stretched, maybe it is too wide for outdoors where lots and lots of stretched toneh 🤔🤔🤔
Any lens that wide will stretch at the periphery. That's how 2D perspective works. A fisheye lens is actually optically more accurate to how your eye actually sees; but since human eyes only focus at the very center and our field of view isn't that wide, we can't perceive it.
Put the smaller lens on the M5III if compact is what you want. It has the same video specs like the M1s
Dang dude, there is something magical about that lens BUY IT. Perfect background blur too
For me it’s a toss up between your sentence malfunctions and your moments of Cinima... you’re hands down the champ!
A 1-inch or a m43 sensor size is probably the best compromise for a resonabla portable camera aimed at vlogging and video, with the added ability to get you decent photos. But it is still hard to beat the Sony x3000, DJI Osmo Pocket or GoPro for size, portability and video capability.
can't believe i googled "toneh" because of you
Great episode again. It feels like stopping the Olympus down to -0.33 or even -0.66 would have taken out the strong highlights in your face and keep some of the skys blue. Btw, just a thought: what about the Oly 8mm/f1.8 fisheye? Sure, needs defishing in post, but that shouldn't eat up too much processing power while enconding the whole show anyway. What do you think?
Sony makes your face look like a fire truck! 😂
Sony has shit color science.
There certainly is a point where UWA lenses seem to distort just too much...you even see a slight difference between these 14mm and 15mm (equiv) lenses. Personally a fan of the Laowa 10mm f2...these are tiny gems on a small body 😏
why cant they just give us autofocus too. zzz
Yes to your first question, even with your basic lighting and filming setup there is a huge difference, which can be further exacerbated with a more complex set :D
Olympus looks like an action cam with a bit of toneh.
Whenever he puts the olympus footage besides something else, it really stands out.. in a bad way.
It probably depends on what look you want. Colours can be changed into anything you want and bokeh is overrated.
Why did you get rid of your g9? What the heck were you thinking?
for real, he's gonna buy it back 🤣
@@tobzdaman619
Wait till he tries one with the newest firmware!
I’m not gonna lie… I miss my m43 camera. The omd-em5 was my fav.
The Sony X3000 has the perfect wide angle lens
BECAUSE SCIENCE
@@Nuclearbeagle trust the experts; the Sony reptilian overlords
the aspherical elements and tele centricity are the reason for that extreme stretching effect on sony. as it is full frame it is more difficult to make the lens telecentric.
just be as distorted as possible. I have an idea. use editing tricks to make the heavily distorted corner appear IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. was wondering why you don't stop down to 4 to get the f4 look?
Here's where I'm at with Toneh now, as a viewer of vlogs: no Toneh at all is needed, provided that the image is soft and nice. As soon as sharpening is introduced, you need the Toneh to combat the harsh cheapness of the sharpened look. One of the best Vlogging images I've seen is this fun German photographer who attaches a GoPro Hero 7 on his camera so he can show and explain how he decides what to photograph. It's just in the "natural" colour profile, 5000 Kelvin (GoPro auto white balance reportedly takes processing power away from the video decoding), no sharpening and some nice colour grading in post. I'm telling you, that's the way to go. Save the Toneh for the cinematographers
I like your perspective. What's the channel name of this German photographer?
@@hubey damn, Now that you asked I forgot and had to search around forever! The name of the channel is really long, but this is the video that made me subscribe to his channel. No GoPro here, but you'll find some elsewhere on his channel ua-cam.com/video/LBBe8yIZcak/v-deo.html
I actually think his latest video is s good example
@@Herfinnur thank you so much for looking it up for me, I acknowledge and appreciate your time and efforts. I watch the linked video and his latest and totally agree with you. Thank you for contributing your perspective, I found it to be really helpful :-)
Nice comparison. There's definitely more stretching in the Sony 14mm lens. They should have gone with at 16mm instead. But the Sony lens has more Toneh inside your room and looks better during this video.
I'm considering backtrackin' back to MFT. I have no life ;)
I recently got the GH5 mark II. I already have a BMPCC4K and I'm waiting to see how good the GH6 is. Join the dark side(us hobo videographers 😉)
Sony was better exposed, better contrast IMHO, and looked like too much sharpening on the Oly. The Sony DOF was nice too. Was that 1080p on the Oly?
Try an Olympus wide angle zoom with auto focus
"Nitpicking" A prefect name for your channel.
We need a 18mm f4 pancake vlogging lens.
What’s the best vlogger editor? I use ShotCut.
Nice. The Olympus has weird yellow tones with the color “science”. (same thing on Panasonic) I’m a Pani boy. I suggest compensating on white balance. You can keep it auto white balance but go to the WB settings and click the color box adjuster thing over to B1 or B2 (this brings in slightly more blue and reduces the awful yellow tones.) This way it will look less like you're in 1970s cigarette-smoke-filled yellow crustiness.
and I thought I'm the only one seeing all yellow tones of the planet on Kaseys face... @Kasey: you DO calibrate your monitors with a Spyder or alike, do you? ^^
True .its easy to fix if you know it. Its only in video not with natural profile in my gh5 , gh5 also is not so yellow, my g85 is.
“Tick tick tick tick” - your clock
How about try the Samyang/Rokinon 18mm f/2.8 or the 14mm 2.8mm for Sony? Should be smaller eh.
Oh yeah olympus colour ftw. IMO the m43 narrower dynamic range outdoors isn't too noticeable because of the walk and talk vlog style.
Om1 for me...but you need to go full guerilla and try the Pentax K70 in full HD with the Irix F4
Elephant man hahahahahahahahaha. You're the best channel !
I like the Sony standard profile here
brother, there is something i wonder, we look for sharp crisp looks but movies have a lot softness, not ultrasharp crispy stuffs, yet not too shallow depth of field (may be a 3 to 5 around). what's the point here when we want cinematism but too sharp and crisp video at the same time. help me understand may be?
I don't notice the jitter of the autofocus critter
Awesome Video !!
I was surprised that 75%-85% of the time the Olympus was way better than the Sony.
I may have to re-think my Canon and GoPro strategy. Tohna Tohne.
I'm starting to talk like you. oh no.
Could someone explain technically why the 14mm FF lens looks more distorted than the 7.5mm MFT?
The MFT equivalent to 15mm on FF.
You need to get ahold of that Laowa 9mm f5.6 for full frame. Now THAT is a wide lens.
Olympus indoors looked like a gopro
Olympus Log & Sony S-cine both look pink shirt to me compared to flat & Standard which show red. Dynamic range didn't seem to change enough to notice in my simpleton eyes.
Since most of us watch content of UA-cam in our smartphones and tablets. I don't understand why I should have to pay for a Sony A7SIII if I could get an inexpensive Micro Fourth Thirds camera like the Panasonic Lumix G85 is around $450-$550 and it is still awesome I know it is not the best in autofocus but I am just an enthusiast photographer and videographer.
If I was a professional photographer then I could go full frame and pay for the best but that is not the case for many of us.
Professional event photographer here, and my M43 gear gets more use these days than my FF stuff. FF is NOT even remotely a requirement for professional work. Knowledge of photography beats sensor size every single day.
@@moreauphoto what you said its so important knowledge beats sensor size.
@@DanniPortillo yep, but don't worry, some gear snob will "well actually" any minute about how wrong I am...even though I won't respond, because they're wrong 😆
Okay wth, why does olumpus look like it's in soft even light but sony has red and shadows all over your face? Full frame lies?? But then outside full frame looked awesome!!im so confused!?
Damn the Sony image looks so much better!
At the begining, I thought it was your phone on the left.. :p lol toneh with weird distortion or wide natural look, that's the question.. ^^
8 mm f1.8 Olympus not good enough?
the laowa just looks like a smartphone wide angle lens
true. I tried the wide on my smartphone, a lowend piece of poop, it isn't too far off MFT look.
I identified the Sony immediately. For some reason the Olympus looked way overexposed, and soft. Pro Mist filter? [EDIT: Kasey explained at a later point in the video that he shot the Olympus at EV+1.]
It's probably the lens or the settings not the camera.
@@snowwalker9999 I wrote that at the beginning of the video Kasey did say later, he shot at EV+1 because of past problems underexposing the Olympus.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto I’ve used the Olympus and never had that overexposure issue using their lenses of course.
That’s brave of Sony to lend you a lens.
can you compare dynamic range between the dxomark king nikon d850 vs sony a7siii in video mode.Because dxomark are testing dynamic range in photo mode and at full megapixel which is ithink is a misleading when it comes to video dynamic range in which senser use only 2 megapixel in FHD and 8mp in 4k..know that the number of pixels affects dynamic range directly .
i wouldnt change my olympus for a freakin ff!
"kiss it out the window" lmaoooooo
Please test Laowa 9mm f5.6 for FF
I only suffer from Toneh nearsightedness when you are using a wide lens on full frame camera.
Laowa pops, but the popature (popiness?) of the sony is so much stronger
the A7S3 looks much better. Dynamic range, Bokeh, exposure.
Most of the time yes. However I don't like the over sharpened look and in the room there's banding in the shadows (although that could be UA-cam)
What is Bokeh?
The Olympus is overexposing a half to one stop....
great point about the superiority of the Chinese lens!
Glad u fixed the Olympus, cos it was lookin waaaack
F1.8? Why shoot a field of view wider than standard only to turn it all into Toneh? That is SO last year.
I gotta say, the Olympus looks better to me, outside and inside.More tones on the Sony, but stabilization and and colors of Olympus looks better to me.
Your skin looks better on the Olympus.
"I have tonéh" 5:11
9-18mm Oly is not a kit lens! And it’s sharp and light. Stop knocking it until you’ve tried it.
Here's me knocking it WHILE trying it ua-cam.com/video/tM4q4TtWC8E/v-deo.html
Casey, have you tried the Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 7-14mm F2.8 Pro with your Olympus em1 iii?
higher end kit you need more knowledge to use it fully
For me Olympus has so much better colors and contrast. I don't know what's wrong with colors of Sony, I always thought that sony has yellow-brown warm colors, panasonic has teal-green-yellow with natural contrast, fuji has purple-blue-green tint with hard contrast.
somehow you're right, sony lens looks a bit too unnatural
rokinon 14mm 2.8 and sony a7iii or a7sii is better, not much more money is more big, yes. laowa is for apsc same, zv e10...
Laowa is delivers amazing results considering its size. Maybe they'll make an AF version of it one day. Micro b1tch - I think I now have a new name for it. I would not buy the beast lens - too imperfect for its size.
MFT, the people's platform.
The laowa doesn’t seem to be a 2 aperture. It looks more like 4. Weird. It’s the only problem with the lens
Since when is this a problem? To me the laowa looks great
@@andersistbesser Not a problem per se, but not the bokeh/toneh one would imagine if it is indeed f2, that is all. Seems like it isn't f2 ( but I am sure it is) visually from all the examples I have seen Casey show us.
@@CanuckQuest i understand. I like the 2-8-4.0 bokee , i cant stand it if you cant recognize the background anymore. Superwide lenses are not made for bokee anyway
I think the Olympus is the hands down winner---not in every instant, but over all. And Olympus colors look so much better. Sony colors--and shadow fall off---UGLY. Very unattractive.
Sony is the more satisfying in my opinion.
Olympus skin tones -- Jaundice // Sony skin tones -- Rosacea -- pick your disease!!!
Too much tone looks like you are using a green screen, that’s what made the X3000 so good. You need to get another one and compare it to the A7S3. I’m guessing you already know the answer.
How dare you make fun of Kodak! The Photography Giant from just across Lake Ontario -- in Rochester -- your grandmother dated hot young film developers from Kodak in her youth -- you may even have some Kodak genes in you!!!! Your next vlogging camera will be a Brownie! Hah!!!! :-)
I have to say that Sony messed up with this lens, obviously meant for the realestate crowd... thanks again!
The Olympus Looks Like a Smartphone and zur FF... Looks great.
Haven't you learned by now that those lenses are too wide for vlogging????? Dayam man!!!
The left side looks way better
15mm will be too close to their zoom 16-35mm
Olympus’s sharpening is bleck
The olympus look way better for me and also way cheaper
Olympus kicks the Sony’s Ass on this video, that lens on a Sony is not even useable !!!!
Let's be honest. Sony is better here.
"I should have brought nd filters... All I SEE IS CHEM TRAILS!!"
LOL'd to that.
You get a thumbs up for a fart joke
Oly has a new 8 - 25.
lol bro these lenses make you look like a pencilneck 🤣✌🏻
A7SII is far better in the first shot. Fish eye is not for me.
Somebody give this guy a sandwich.. help em...
Now that you made this video full frame camera prices will crash, which will make this video invalid.