WRITING FANTASY TROPES: Jim Butcher, Larry Correia, Brian Lee Durfee, Brian McClellan, Matt Kirby
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Writing Fantasy Tropes: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly! Bestselling fantasy writers debate the usage of tropes in fantasy. Salt Lake Comic Con 2017. #jimbutcher #larrycorreia #writingfantasy
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This whole panel is superb, I initially only knew Larry and Jim, but have grow to love all of them as well as the writing wisdom they give. You guys are all amazing!
I'm gonna take this panel as writing advice on how to make your reader like 5 characters in under an hour
I'm sure Brian Lee Durfee will never see this, but his story was so similar to mine (right down to where he grew up) it gave me chills. Similar to him, I started writing my first fantasy novel in my teens. I was inspired by Dragonlance, Sword of Shannara, etc... to write one of my own. Obviously my tastes and writing style have changed as I delved into series like Wheel of Time and Game of Thrones.. But here I am, 20+ years later, still working on the 142nd (or so) iteration of it, with two additional decades of life experience, writing practice, scrapping and re-starts, reading, more reading, and countless hours of writing/technical research under my belt. And now, I'm probably within a year of having my first book of a series ready to query. Obviously, I don't know if it will ever be published. It's impossible to know how good or bad your own work is until a professional rips it apart. But it's nice to know that successful authors have been down this path before.
UA-cam sends me a notice whenever anyone posts a message so i did see your response. That's cool we had similar experiences with the Sword of Shannarra. Did you grow up near southern Utah??? and keep writing and don't give up.
@@B.LEE.DbrianleedurfeeREVIEWS Northern Utah, Salt Lake area. Still there, in fact. I really appreciate you taking the time to reply! Your channel has a lot of really good information for aspiring writers.
One of the best panels I’ve ever seen, hilarious and instructive.
So cool to see all these authors together. I like what Jim Butcher said about tropes being like parts of a machine, only useful if they are used in the right way. In my novel The Repeaters I used a couple of tropes (immortality and amnesia), but I think I used them in original ways that I personally have not seen done before.
Sabeel Combatives good for you. Hope to see it published someday
I surprised there are no comments, so I don't really know what I'm supposed to write other than "first comment", but I also want to say that the way these author discussed tropes helped come to many realizations on how tropes affect the plot of a novel.
Damn. This was one hell of a panel.
This panel is always a fun one to watch
Brian McClellan is obviously a student of Brandon Sanderson. Everything he said was full of Sanderson’s teachings. Not verbatim, but strongly influenced.
This is what I'll say about tropes; tropes are fine as long as you make them more than a trope.
Yuuup
Excellent panel...sorry it took me 5 years to find it. Love Jim's & Larry's books and BLD's book reviews. Need to read his and the other two guys' books...as soon as I get through my backlog of books....I seriously can't add another author until I'm up to date on the authors I currently read.
When “trope” becomes a trope.
8 minutes in, if it were a drinking game per mention of the word “trope,” I’d be face down in a toilet already.
Any chance you can rearrange the title so that each author's name appears in the order they're sitting?
It's tiny, but would be nice.
OMFG Jim butcher cutting class to read. Seriously my own mother used to make fun of me for doing this
😂
I slowly maturing this idea of writing a fantasy story myself. This discussion was amazing. Any advice for a possible future competitor or yours?
write every day . read every day
thanks. After I wrote that, I realised how frequent my question should be for you guys.
This was very awesome .
Did I hear "You look like a trope!" at 1:00
Can you write if you dont read? I have lots of cool ideas piled up, and have started working on a story. But because of my dyslexia i get tired real fast while reading. Haven't finished a book since highshool...
Try audiobooks. If you don't read or listen to books, it will be difficult to become a writer.
The more you read, the better you write. I listen to a TON of audio books, and catch things that don’t sound right (occasionally). But reading is the key to writing better... if you don’t do it often, you should start...
Audiobooks
All the cheering makes it like a concert.
So does that make me a rock star
Indeed it does.
I like fantasy in which "magic" plays only a small role (like Game of Thrones) or in which it is dangerous and can only be used at great risk to the user (like The Lord of the Rings or old Manley Wade Wellman stories) I find stories in which magic is represented as being easy and fun and without any real consequences to the user (like Harry Potter) irritating and dull and I also have a thing against the "sexy vampire" trope because it basically gives lazy writers an excuse to create characters with superhuman abilities and no human faults to balance them out.
I feel the same, Sarah
Thats how I use it.
Imagine if Brandon Sanderson was on this panel too.
Snorting gunpowder haha I just gotta read it.
Got a magic system in a magic system, with a little bit of a magic system on the side. (I personally would have asked when you stop second guessing and doubting the quality of everything in the novel. I cannot stop seeing everything I write as awful.)
SmilinFox keep writing. Dont give up. I'm sure your work isn't awful
if you cant find the butcher spider man book, its on audible
Brian, 38:24 speaking of your mother Stevie.
We now have LitRPG which is dedicated to the whole role-playing genre, including the races and character classes. But _outside_ LitRPG, I don't think you could do classical elves.
Yes.
Def got magic system and ninja assassins... uh oh
There was a plucky princess in the trailer park elves / gnomes turf war story ...