I love that the Nora's religion is actually heavily based on the truth. Allmother (GAIA) slew the metal devil (the Faro Plague), and birthed humans from the womb of the mountain (the birthing chamber).
@@lornepribbeno3760great, now you got me thinking. The carja live in what is now Eagle Canyon, Utah. Plenty of Mexicans/ Other Hispanics out there, so perhaps the land of Carajo?
Great delivery for the line. Reddick always gets me with that. Also, I’d take being a near identical clone over the other possibility. Until that moment, we never got full confirmation whether Elisabet and Ted were anything more to each other (I know about Tilda; I played HFW) so until that point it was fully possible that she was some how a genetic mix “child” of the two. Imagine having Ted Faro as you sperm donor. …Actually don’t. It’s too horrifying to consider.
I love Sylens in this scene. He usually so matter of fact, so for him to be impressed by anything, let alone some girl is... impressive. He then cajoles Aloy to fulfill her destiny in a way that is both insanely complimentary and deprecating at the same time. XD
I love Sylens as a character, he's such a dick. This quietly menacing, end-justify-means, sketchy as fuck ally who you can never quite trust but still saves your ass on occasion.
" 'Who'? Are you really so naive? There will be no 'who' waiting for you there, Aloy. Whatever birthed you into the world is a 'what', not a 'who'." - "You Bastard!" - "Oh no, I had a legitimate birth" Lmao, Sylens is such a fucking Savage 😭😂😂 Aloy already got beaten down and he still keeps beating. What a King of Comebacks
Um? Have you not played the game? I have. It literally specified in the game that she had 2 mothers and one was Elizabeth and the other was a machine, Gaia. Sylens even says it himself. You’d know if you played the game.
@@NotSoCheyenn you're literally quoting Sylens. Elizabet is not Aloy's mother. She is her clone geneprint. But that's the closest to a mother Aloy ever had, therefore she was dubbed the mother. Elizabet is not her real mother. Aloy's true mother does not exist.
@@Nimbus3690 well technically speaking clones are called Daughters and the Source of genetic material of the clone is the Mother. So yeah, Sylens was right that she has two mothers. Her Genetic mother and the one that gave "birth" to her which is Gaia.
The fact that I despise Ted Faro, a fictional character. For what he did to this fictional world. is proof of how this game genius! It makes me sad this wasn't made into a movie! Masterpiece doesn't do it justice!
Some side quests are so bad. Remember the guy who claimed he heard spirits scream inside his head? Yeah. Glad the Frozen Wilds fix this problem. The lip sync, movement, and voice acting was far better
kevin mulia yeh, and when she had to say goodbye to her brother it was like “oh no. Ok bye brother” it was like a robot. Especially since I had just finished the Witcher 3 and the voice acting in that game was phenomenal as well all the side quests
I'd like to know how she went from being a primitive tribeswoman to being able to recognize signs of corruption in a registry file in such a short amount of time.
There are a few possible factors. One, would be that when Gaia created Aloy, the genetic code was enchanced slightly to give her significantly higher apptitude to interface and understand technology. Two, the other possiblity was that Elizebeth Sobeck had genius level intellect to begin with, and Aloy, being a clone of Elizabeth, inherited that genius level intellect. Three, the focus could have some form of knowledge transferring capability. That or it was extremely intuitive and idiot proof to use. Four, Aloy had the focus for years, and played with it extensively as a child. The same way a child who grew up with the internet works with modern technology far more intuitively than someone who grew up in the pre-internet era, so did Aloy kind of know what things were but understood when she sees it for herself. It could be one, or all, or a combination of these factors.
@@1Invinc is right the story of Sobeck as a child of 6 performing complex engineering even if pine tree and bird murdering shows the intellect in play. It is still a fantasy story so I wouldn't over think it too much, the best stories dance at the edges of what is possible and it is on the nose with playing the messianic card with Aloy being the saviour of the world as an immaculate conception chosen one.
@@jessmontgomery3454 - Also, I'm pretty sure the Focus is an interface for the Apollo system, since it's shape is the same as the symbol used to represent Apollo in the Project Zero Dawn briefing, shown here ua-cam.com/video/_FSsbZC2Kn4/v-deo.html Since Apollo's function is to facilitate the restored human race in regaining modern technological levels in years or generations rather than millennia, it's not hard to figure that a lone user with a genetic predisposition for genius intellect would integrate the available knowledge at a miraculous pace. ...Assuming Apollo isn't supposed to facilitate this level of learning in whole populations.
@@alphalancer true but Apollo was ruined by everyone's favorite Elon Musk(Faro) wannabe so she has some limited knowledge in history and specific sciences but yes otherwise she picks up general technologies quite quickly but not total unbelievably. Also Sylens is clearly a very clever man also and he picks up a huge amount of knowledge from the scraps and wreckage of the world over the course of his life span and without all of Aloy's advantages and still clearly out classes her as the ending shows, so yes she is smart but not quite infinitely so.
Meh, getting Ray levels of plot convenience. I suppose it can be explained with magic... Er I mean technology. But regardless, even if there is an explanation, its poor righting to force the viewer to have to come up with it themselves. Especially in video games, since adding hints and detailed back story does not affect narrative flow in a video game. Games flow at the rate the player chooses to play. With solid limits on speed limitless time for investigation and exploration. A file laying on a desk explaining how information can be transferred telepathically or somthing could have been slipped in without changing the narrative flow. A option to straight up ask one of the AI wouldn't hurt either. I think this is just a minor plot hole. I say minor because it's not like it's impossible in this fictional universe... it's just not explained. it doesn't threaten the validity of the whole story. But it can be a nagging question that ruins emersion and believability somewhat.
I just love how this technological advancement which we are almost familiar with due to the times we live in are like the works of Gods for them, like: "Oh great, God, what hold ye in ye mighty hand?!" "... My phone..."
Jokes aside, I do love that they wrote a proper religious-system, understanding how they're formed through peoples desire to explain the why, the how and the when of their existence and world. If only toilet faro had'nt destroyd Apollo.
@@electricc437 love faro's nickname but i like to call him theodick fuckro a arrogant and idiotic p-rick to the end with a huge god like complex (and he is probably super overcompensating for his tiny size brain and manhood) look at horizon forbidden west trust me he gets worst.
I was thinking what if Sylens is Apollo? Like a part of Apollo. I'd assume if Apollo survived what Ted Faro did then it would know how to make a human or an android and copy a part of itself to it. To sort out the mess that was caused by the unknown transmission??
I thought that Sylens' voice sounded a lot like General Herres'. Perhaps he is a clone of the general, or the offspring of a clone. He's a leader, cold, thinking, logical, everything a good military commander needs to be, and if General Herres was in on Zero Day AND Zero Dawn it stands to reason he is pretty intelligent and capable, like Sylens
Gaia would have no need and his history is too deep for him to have been made after the subordinates went rogue so I strongly doubt Apollo would've been able to do that on its own initiative. That said, you're triggering an interesting question as to whether he might be somehow connected to the entity that sent the mysterious signal. He wasn't aware of them beforehand else he wouldn't need to ask Hades about it, but considering that he's clearly meant to be the series foil to Aloy, the idea that he is as much "chasing a personal riddle into a crowd of mysteries" as Aloy is makes for a fascinating addition to their dynamic.
@@GuyAngon No where in the game it was stated that he was born as a Banuk. He told Aloy he had a natural birth. As far as the Banuk theory goes Orea says that he came to them as a young man and studied under them. Then he left and shortly after he discovered Hades. Sylens is probably a Far Zenith colonist but he doesn't know that. This is why he's so obsessed with knowledge and wants to know how to control AI like machines.
Especially when you consider the fact that this is the 1st time Guerrilla made an open world adventure. Before HZD, they were basically the Killzone/1st person shooter developer.
This is such an amazing game on so many levels. Amazing story. Beautiful open world to explore. An EXP system, which is always a win, although I do wish they had included a more in depth stats system alongside levelling up, like instead of just HP you had STRENGTH, DEXTERITY, TOUGHNESS, STAMINA etc. Just more types of stats that would strengthen Aloy further. I also love how frighteningly realistic the story is to real life Earth. In fact i wouldnt be surprised if this is the future of our planet. Eventually our civilisation and technology collapses leaving us with wood huts, spears and arrows again. Lastly i really loved how they showed how the tribe modified the Embrace and beyond to make getting around easier. Like the river bridges or rope crossings, climbing ropes and ledges around trees etc. Im stealing some of those ideas for a real life setting i am working on.
Sylens is such an interesting character. Not really sure if he's a Hero or a Villain, but I hope to see more of him in the sequel. Seems to me he would do anything for knowledge, even if it meant putting the entire world at risk. Like what he did at the end of the game, seems he's going to put everyone at risk due to his lust for knowledge.
Sylens, without a doubt, is the biggest of existential assholes. Why was he put here? Was it to be the villain? The anti-hero? The struggling man coming to terms with his life? Trying to find his place in the universe?
technicaly sobeck isnt her mother, but she is a "clone" of her, and her "true" mother would actually be the birthing chamber considering it did the dna sampling, gathering, and actually grew the baby, so ...
Aloy needs to return to the past as the terminator to stop Ted Faro from creating the peacekeeper program aka skynet. Lol imagine young Aloy meeting Elisabet Sobet the interactions and the stories they'll tell each other. Is possible if she can take control of Hephaestus and have it build a time a machine or something.
@@aracuscesar That actually made sense. He then went nuts, probably thought he was a god or something. When he woke up and witness the 'Sun-ring' it drove him even deeper. He thought "Fuck it, human beings aren't worth shit. Might as well reset the planet again".
Dukes is dead he was not that smart in tech. Just rich and hired smart people. The u known origin is the Odyssey that’s the only thing it could be. I don’t even think he purged Apollo. I don’t think Lis would give him that kind of access. He already doomed humanity.
Ah man this game I remember fighting like hell to get to the end..... I'm happy to say Evreything I had to go through was worth it.... It was worth it and I loved it
Elisabet's body shouldn't even be there, let alone the globe or the ranch. There's pieces that could have been rebuilt by Gaia , but the suit should've been buried under the ground centuries ago. To some extent, I think it's supposed to represent Elisabet dying thinking it was all worth it... for the world. Dramatically, it's a lot of things. Gifting her "daughter" the world. A passing of the torch. A binding to the themes that drive Elisabet. A resolution to Aloy's quest. Honestly, I think they started from wanting Aloy to find something of Elisabet's and then decided a thematically appropriate gift was a globe and the thematic layers built on top of it naturally.
@@forgottenfamily you're right it's weird...only if it wasn't one of the most sophisticated armor created by her company,plus if there's common buildings ruins then why not her remains in her armor? She was elevated,out of reach. Even if she had MREs she would've suffocated eventually since the machines ate all life on the planet.no trees=no air.the awesome game by the way,I lose sense of time when I play it.
@@beastmodejelly8654 The remains we see are exclusively metal structures and other non-organic materials. Which is consistent with what we're told about the Faro plague - that they can consume any biomass. Biomass inside of otherwise non-organic structures is equally consumed. Even if we were to argue that the suit protected her (which is problematic as the machines would likely still want to eat her and they have knives to cut holes for the nano-machines to get into), the ranch should've been destroyed. I suppose one possibility is that Gaia rebuilt the ranch afterwards based upon her descriptions... though the globe is a weird touch if that's the case.
A dead woman and a machine.... No wonder they name her... Aloy. [a name for a type of metal that doesn't break easily and high durability with mixture of lot of chemical and metal]. The only less in her name is that she has less letter "L" in it.
She is an AI and a high advanced one, she receives the transmission, destroyed the fascility did all of her calculations and delivered commands and left that message for Aloy in just 3 milliseconds, that means her processor is a hell of one.
Lets not forget what what Sylens said in the end Hades Didn't corrupted on his own and neither did Ted Faros robots An Outside source corrupted them and sylens is trying to find out who
It's games like this that make it hard to have faith in a God or a higher power. It's rather hard to believe that there is a Heaven that our spirit goes to when we die. It'd be fantastic if there was, but it sounds too good to be true. I certainly hope that I'm wrong, although I suppose having doubt means I probably won't be going to Heaven either way...
Ok. First, you can believe what you want and beliving in a high plane of existance is not a bad thing. I personally do. If you are right, then nice. If you are wrong, then you'll be dead anyway, so it will not really be important anymore. It really shouldn't be something to be worried about. Also, if people really needs the excuse of a heaven to be nice with other people then we're screwed. I mean, even if there's nothing else, I will still try to not be an asshole to my fellow humans. It's pretty hard sometimes, and you fail more than once but I keep trying nonetheless. With that said, believe specifically in God or anything christianity says... Don't doubt. It's false. All of it. We know who, when, why and where that particular religion was forged, and we know for what reason it was forged. To keep a few old asshats on the Rome Imperial throne. And previous, it was a cult born from a missinterpretation of what most probably was the words of a violent revolutionary against that same imperial throne and it's domination over Israel. And that was born over another religion that was a cheap copy of part of a babylonian cult outcasted from Babylon. That image of that particular god (one of many of the babylonian mythos) was created to fit a purpose, and thus we can certificate that the entire religion is just a human tale, there's nothing supernatural or divine on it. It's just humaity trying to create a religion from diverse cults and ancient mythos with the purpose of controling and enlsaving an entire civilization. In other words, you can doubt all you want, what the bible says is totally false, so don't worry about that. You won't go to hell for having doubts of the unseen, unpredicitable existance and nature of the supernatural. I don't even see how that can be a bad thing. Also, you don't need to have faith on anything rather than yourself, and perhaps a very few group of people close to you.
I quite like how All-Mother is setup and how the name is basically explained. Like, Early humans came from the facility and probably referred it as a mother. This meaning was changed overtime through a game of telephone. Which is how we get the name "All-Mother". Probably because they couldn't understand how such a facility could birth humans. Thus, why Tersa thought Aloy was something Magnificent. It also kinda explains how most religious views are formed. By not understanding something, people would call it a God or God causing something. Like Zeus or our beginning (although we do know how humanity began, the problem now is figuring out how exactly all life started). I love how well crafted and complex this game is. There are so many complex topics in the story itself, even basic philosophy.
One question because i missed it or it was never spoken, who bring Aloy through E9 doors when she was born and left her there? That "parents" robots or who? Its weird because E9 at that time was propably all empty.
It was a servitor. If you go back into E9, right next to the entrance there's a decayed servitor, the one that was probably bringing Aloy there. One of the last things Gaia ordered E9 to do
@@paw3lo87 yeh, can also check operations log in E9, after Aloy (#LK1A1-4510) was born in April 4th 3021 a servitor was reactivated and ordered to take her outside and go back in, logged as "hatch unsealed" and "positioning succesful" at 10:18 and "hatch sealed" at 10:19
I just realized that Gaia's original plan made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. If Aloy had been raised by the Nora, and the Alpha registry was not corrupted, Aloy would not have been allowed in the great chamber until she was a grandmother. Even if she entered the mountain, found a focus and heard Gia's dying plea before Hades could find a way to end life, she would have no idea who Gaia and Hades were, and would have no way of knowing where Gaia Prime is. None of it would work, unless: 1) Aloy was outcast 2) She was given to Rost 3) She found the Focus as a child 4) She decided to try to win the proving to get answers 5) Hades was found and the Eclipse was formed 6) The Eclipse conscripted Olin and gave him a Focus 7) Erin chose Olin to scout for the delegation 8) Aloy chose to speak with Olin 9) Hades sent the Eclipse to kill Aloy (Villani engineered their own downfall trope) 10) Rost saves Aloy from Helis
Aloy has a really huge job ahead of her: As the guardian of this world, and she is no different, she must not only find and finally destroy HADES, in parallel she must find all other subroutines and free them from corruption. And since HEPHAESTUS is responsible for mechanical engineering, she needs it to rebuild GAJA's system core and reboot GAJA. In addition, discover new areas, find new friends and enemies ... and whatever else may come .... Is Aloy really aware of how huge this task really is?
@@ladydalida6917 Probably. But she has most of an automated terraforming system and access to the Cauldrons for fabrication of components. With a few AIs like CYAN to examine so she can get to know how AI cores work (without damaging any of them, obviously), she might genuinely be able to do it.
@@fidgetgamer5556 I'd go further Ted Faro is a one man planetary genocide! He couldn't even let the half dozen scienists who survived his robot extinction army survive he is actually personally responsible for the death of all life on earth... like Humanmon gotta kill them all. Oh and the icing on the cake is he then he deleted Apollo as well... so when people were finally restored by Gaia they were dumb as bricks and barely better than savages. If society is ever restored in this universe Faro would be held up as the dictionary definition of hubris. Tbh i hope he's some how still alive so Aloy can kick him square in the balls. Joking aside I'm honestly not sure what punishment you could meet out upon him that measures against that crime?
@@jessmontgomery3454 Daily waterboarding in a cave would be satisfactory I think. To experience the slow deprivation of oxygen that he directly caused, combined with seeing nothing but a dark, grey, dull and the closest thing to a dead environment as you can find to simulate what the last humans would see. Then again, since he's a ruthless businessman you could probably make him cry just by bringing him into this world and putting him into a tribe. Let's see how happy he is without any way of making money because he doesn't understand how the world works anymore
Everyone hates Ted Faro, but in reality he made just one mistake, that catastrophically spiralled out of control. When he deleted APOLLO and killed the remaining Alpha's he was deep in psychosis, grief and guilt for what he had caused. yes he was responsible for the death of the planet, but crucially, unlike Hitler or Stalin, he never intended to do it. remember he buried the hatchet with Elizabet as soon as he realised his error and bankrolled the entire zero dawn project as penance. Ted is just a tragic figure as anyone else in the metal world
6:38 "When His disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, 'Who then can be saved?' But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, 'With men this is impossible; but *with God all things are possible* "
Lol they did such a bad job on her face during that scene where she was crying when the door wouldn't let her in due to the alpha registry corruption. Her face looks really strange during that scene, definitely not like a crying person or someone who's upset. Other than that scene tho they did a damn good job on the facial animations.
We enter the domain of what makes you, you. If you are a string of DNA , and will have the same character , logic, feelings, morals, fears, everything that makes you the human named "xxxx", or your life will make you who you are. Same thing as sons and daughters of criminals , they may become criminals as well, or go for cops, or hate both sides and try to make their path something else entirely. There are infinite variables, we learn ally story because she succeeded, what if she hated the tribe and not give a shit? She was raised to give a shit, just like Elisabeth was. Or you are right, and she just acted on her DNA, assassin creed style. The choice is left to the player on what to believe.
They would have had sperm and a egg or DNA code of a man and a woman to create Aloy. Daughter or reincarnation she isn’t Elisabet yet she had the qualities of her. she is Elisabet and Elisabet is also her mother all in one. Gaia created her so technically she has a claim too. I can’t wait till the forbidden west. I wanted to go there the first game. Now I’m all for it. PS5 version too. Ooweee
@@mustafashaqur9694 it is indicated cradle facilities have zygotes, essentially fertilized egg cells. Unlike with our normal reproductive process, these zygotes seem to be devoid of DNA, which is injected into them, when the cradle facility receives a birthing order. The pods then act as wombs. Thus all creatures "born" in these facilities are clones. The ones born outside these facilities did so following the biologically appropriate reproductive process for that species. Must have been terrifying and terribly dangerous for the first generation of humans to walk out of a cradle facility: no knowledge or medical servitors, only urges. Still, it worked in the Blue Lagoon and evidently these humans worked it out, too. ;-)
DNA isn't 100% from different parts of the _same_ person. It's called mutation, it happens pretty much every time a cell copies DNA and undergoes mitosis, 99.99% are entirely inert and do _nothing._ It's the 0.01% that are either good or bad that leads to overt changes. That 99.74 is about what you'd expect in a clone. Or a twin.
A robot, you can read it in the datapoints in Eluthia. It was awakened just to take baby Aloy and put her outside the facility. You can scan it's body, it's called a multiservitor.
Not to ruin anyone’s fun, but literally in the beginning of the game Aloy sees she has a 97-98% DNA resemblance to “her mother”.... Anyone that knows anything about the human body and our reproductive systems, would know that there is no way in hell that that was her mother.
@@VideoGameSophistry True, but this does bring up another question...WHY WOULD SHE ONLY HAVE 97/98 percent resemblance to her mother. She's a clone. And she was cloned by a super intelligent AI that has her mother's DNA on record.
@@Butmunch666 Cloning tech might not be perfect. It might be necessary to use donor sperm and/or eggs from another individual, then edit it with the cloning subject's DNA. Aloy might be made of one of Elizabeth's actual eggs and some dude's gene-edited swimmers.
This is the story of a girl's search for her matriarchal lineage and discovering a massively important heritage to claim. It seems they took a very common story framework for young boys and intentionally gender flipped it.
I love that the Nora's religion is actually heavily based on the truth. Allmother (GAIA) slew the metal devil (the Faro Plague), and birthed humans from the womb of the mountain (the birthing chamber).
Oral traditions are like that. The details get confused but the structure endures and if you know how to listen it still tells the story.
I love that they either live in or near NORAD military base
@@lornepribbeno3760great, now you got me thinking.
The carja live in what is now Eagle Canyon, Utah. Plenty of Mexicans/ Other Hispanics out there, so perhaps the land of Carajo?
"this isn't a goddess.... It's a door" lmao
Bringing knowledge to these old coots! Lmaooo
I love how behind Aloy, Teersa is horrified by the suggestion that there is no Goddess.
Only a woman can say this with 100% assurance. She has made up her mind. Also that look at 2:16
@Louis Carlos No one gives a damn.
My moms not a door!!! Duh!!!
I knew it was a bad idea to use floppy disks to save the registry.
lmfao
we can safely name floppy disks, "corrupters"
Aloy: I don't have a mother...
Sylens: What are you talking about? You had two. A dead woman a machine.
It always cracks me up.
It's true tho lol (They would have loved her tbh)
Aloy is the first child of two lesbians, proud of them
Great delivery for the line. Reddick always gets me with that.
Also, I’d take being a near identical clone over the other possibility. Until that moment, we never got full confirmation whether Elisabet and Ted were anything more to each other (I know about Tilda; I played HFW) so until that point it was fully possible that she was some how a genetic mix “child” of the two. Imagine having Ted Faro as you sperm donor.
…Actually don’t. It’s too horrifying to consider.
That last scene, always tears.
Hits ya right in feels! Such an amazing story!
I love Sylens in this scene. He usually so matter of fact, so for him to be impressed by anything, let alone some girl is... impressive. He then cajoles Aloy to fulfill her destiny in a way that is both insanely complimentary and deprecating at the same time. XD
I love Sylens as a character, he's such a dick. This quietly menacing, end-justify-means, sketchy as fuck ally who you can never quite trust but still saves your ass on occasion.
" 'Who'? Are you really so naive? There will be no 'who' waiting for you there, Aloy. Whatever birthed you into the world is a 'what', not a 'who'."
- "You Bastard!"
- "Oh no, I had a legitimate birth"
Lmao, Sylens is such a fucking Savage 😭😂😂
Aloy already got beaten down and he still keeps beating. What a King of Comebacks
He's such a dick. I have a few friends like him. Maybe with a stronger moral compass, though.
Aloy has 2 mothers. A dead women Elizabeth and a machine, Gaia.
kinda weird to call your clone a mother
Um? Have you not played the game? I have. It literally specified in the game that she had 2 mothers and one was Elizabeth and the other was a machine, Gaia. Sylens even says it himself. You’d know if you played the game.
@@NotSoCheyenn you're literally quoting Sylens. Elizabet is not Aloy's mother. She is her clone geneprint. But that's the closest to a mother Aloy ever had, therefore she was dubbed the mother. Elizabet is not her real mother. Aloy's true mother does not exist.
@@Nimbus3690 well technically speaking clones are called Daughters and the Source of genetic material of the clone is the Mother.
So yeah, Sylens was right that she has two mothers. Her Genetic mother and the one that gave "birth" to her which is Gaia.
@@Nimbus3690 Or Elizabeth's mother is her mother as well.
The fact that I despise Ted Faro, a fictional character. For what he did to this fictional world. is proof of how this game genius! It makes me sad this wasn't made into a movie! Masterpiece doesn't do it justice!
See the TV series and movie they made recently make me think it is better that they have their paws away from Horizon :(
A movie would never do it justice
The voice acting in this game is so consistently fantastic. It's like no one ever drops the ball, not for a moment.
You obviously haven’t done a side quest
@@matty_daddy side quests are great
Some side quests are so bad. Remember the guy who claimed he heard spirits scream inside his head? Yeah. Glad the Frozen Wilds fix this problem. The lip sync, movement, and voice acting was far better
kevin mulia yeh, and when she had to say goodbye to her brother it was like “oh no. Ok bye brother” it was like a robot. Especially since I had just finished the Witcher 3 and the voice acting in that game was phenomenal as well all the side quests
I'd like to know how she went from being a primitive tribeswoman to being able to recognize signs of corruption in a registry file in such a short amount of time.
There are a few possible factors.
One, would be that when Gaia created Aloy, the genetic code was enchanced slightly to give her significantly higher apptitude to interface and understand technology.
Two, the other possiblity was that Elizebeth Sobeck had genius level intellect to begin with, and Aloy, being a clone of Elizabeth, inherited that genius level intellect.
Three, the focus could have some form of knowledge transferring capability. That or it was extremely intuitive and idiot proof to use.
Four, Aloy had the focus for years, and played with it extensively as a child. The same way a child who grew up with the internet works with modern technology far more intuitively than someone who grew up in the pre-internet era, so did Aloy kind of know what things were but understood when she sees it for herself.
It could be one, or all, or a combination of these factors.
@@1Invinc is right the story of Sobeck as a child of 6 performing complex engineering even if pine tree and bird murdering shows the intellect in play.
It is still a fantasy story so I wouldn't over think it too much, the best stories dance at the edges of what is possible and it is on the nose with playing the messianic card with Aloy being the saviour of the world as an immaculate conception chosen one.
@@jessmontgomery3454 - Also, I'm pretty sure the Focus is an interface for the Apollo system, since it's shape is the same as the symbol used to represent Apollo in the Project Zero Dawn briefing, shown here ua-cam.com/video/_FSsbZC2Kn4/v-deo.html
Since Apollo's function is to facilitate the restored human race in regaining modern technological levels in years or generations rather than millennia, it's not hard to figure that a lone user with a genetic predisposition for genius intellect would integrate the available knowledge at a miraculous pace.
...Assuming Apollo isn't supposed to facilitate this level of learning in whole populations.
@@alphalancer true but Apollo was ruined by everyone's favorite Elon Musk(Faro) wannabe so she has some limited knowledge in history and specific sciences but yes otherwise she picks up general technologies quite quickly but not total unbelievably.
Also Sylens is clearly a very clever man also and he picks up a huge amount of knowledge from the scraps and wreckage of the world over the course of his life span and without all of Aloy's advantages and still clearly out classes her as the ending shows, so yes she is smart but not quite infinitely so.
Meh, getting Ray levels of plot convenience. I suppose it can be explained with magic... Er I mean technology. But regardless, even if there is an explanation, its poor righting to force the viewer to have to come up with it themselves. Especially in video games, since adding hints and detailed back story does not affect narrative flow in a video game. Games flow at the rate the player chooses to play. With solid limits on speed limitless time for investigation and exploration. A file laying on a desk explaining how information can be transferred telepathically or somthing could have been slipped in without changing the narrative flow. A option to straight up ask one of the AI wouldn't hurt either.
I think this is just a minor plot hole. I say minor because it's not like it's impossible in this fictional universe... it's just not explained. it doesn't threaten the validity of the whole story. But it can be a nagging question that ruins emersion and believability somewhat.
I just love how this technological advancement which we are almost familiar with due to the times we live in are like the works of Gods for them, like: "Oh great, God, what hold ye in ye mighty hand?!"
"... My phone..."
AAAAAAAA The godess speakth!
It's just confirming my identity.
Jokes aside, I do love that they wrote a proper religious-system, understanding how they're formed through peoples desire to explain the why, the how and the when of their existence and world. If only toilet faro had'nt destroyd Apollo.
@@electricc437 love faro's nickname but i like to call him theodick fuckro a arrogant and idiotic p-rick to the end with a huge god like complex (and he is probably super overcompensating for his tiny size brain and manhood) look at horizon forbidden west trust me he gets worst.
When Sylens said wtf you had 2 mothers, i could stop laughing
I was thinking what if Sylens is Apollo? Like a part of Apollo. I'd assume if Apollo survived what Ted Faro did then it would know how to make a human or an android and copy a part of itself to it. To sort out the mess that was caused by the unknown transmission??
I thought that Sylens' voice sounded a lot like General Herres'. Perhaps he is a clone of the general, or the offspring of a clone. He's a leader, cold, thinking, logical, everything a good military commander needs to be, and if General Herres was in on Zero Day AND Zero Dawn it stands to reason he is pretty intelligent and capable, like Sylens
Gaia would have no need and his history is too deep for him to have been made after the subordinates went rogue so I strongly doubt Apollo would've been able to do that on its own initiative. That said, you're triggering an interesting question as to whether he might be somehow connected to the entity that sent the mysterious signal. He wasn't aware of them beforehand else he wouldn't need to ask Hades about it, but considering that he's clearly meant to be the series foil to Aloy, the idea that he is as much "chasing a personal riddle into a crowd of mysteries" as Aloy is makes for a fascinating addition to their dynamic.
@@forgottenfamily Vast Silver's initials are "VS", after all.
You ignore where Sylens outright states he knows who his parents are. He was born in the Banuk
@@GuyAngon No where in the game it was stated that he was born as a Banuk. He told Aloy he had a natural birth. As far as the Banuk theory goes Orea says that he came to them as a young man and studied under them. Then he left and shortly after he discovered Hades.
Sylens is probably a Far Zenith colonist but he doesn't know that. This is why he's so obsessed with knowledge and wants to know how to control AI like machines.
This game is a masterpiece in my opinion.
Especially when you consider the fact that this is the 1st time Guerrilla made an open world adventure. Before HZD, they were basically the Killzone/1st person shooter developer.
It kinda was slow, stretchy which made it look boring but combat was fun
This is such an amazing game on so many levels. Amazing story. Beautiful open world to explore. An EXP system, which is always a win, although I do wish they had included a more in depth stats system alongside levelling up, like instead of just HP you had STRENGTH, DEXTERITY, TOUGHNESS, STAMINA etc. Just more types of stats that would strengthen Aloy further. I also love how frighteningly realistic the story is to real life Earth. In fact i wouldnt be surprised if this is the future of our planet. Eventually our civilisation and technology collapses leaving us with wood huts, spears and arrows again. Lastly i really loved how they showed how the tribe modified the Embrace and beyond to make getting around easier. Like the river bridges or rope crossings, climbing ropes and ledges around trees etc. Im stealing some of those ideas for a real life setting i am working on.
This comment is pretty cool regarding the stats, since it was probably posted before Elden Ring?
Teersa may not have understood technology but she still knew exactly what she was talking about.
Sylens is such an interesting character. Not really sure if he's a Hero or a Villain, but I hope to see more of him in the sequel. Seems to me he would do anything for knowledge, even if it meant putting the entire world at risk. Like what he did at the end of the game, seems he's going to put everyone at risk due to his lust for knowledge.
We are going to see him
@@adorablemarina It's possible but unlikely we don't see him until the third game.
Sylens, without a doubt, is the biggest of existential assholes. Why was he put here? Was it to be the villain? The anti-hero? The struggling man coming to terms with his life? Trying to find his place in the universe?
@@danksley He is in the 2nd game.
so before being revive as a vanguard guardian this was what zavala past life was interesting
I wish they’d given more credit to Rost. Might not have been a mother as Aloy’s people preferred but everyone deserves a father too.
Well the society is matriarchal. Same as how the patriarchy downplays women, theirs downplays men.
technicaly sobeck isnt her mother, but she is a "clone" of her, and her "true" mother would actually be the birthing chamber considering it did the dna sampling, gathering, and actually grew the baby, so ...
Aloy needs to return to the past as the terminator to stop Ted Faro from creating the peacekeeper program aka skynet. Lol imagine young Aloy meeting Elisabet Sobet the interactions and the stories they'll tell each other.
Is possible if she can take control of Hephaestus and have it build a time a machine or something.
7:21
Aloy: I never had a mother...
Sylens: What are you talking about? You had
two. A dead woman and a machine.
Get me every time
Ted Faro is still alive, suspended animation, and still as demented as ever.
and in space, and he sent the signal that broke gaia
@@aracuscesar
That actually made sense. He then went nuts, probably thought he was a god or something. When he woke up and witness the 'Sun-ring' it drove him even deeper. He thought "Fuck it, human beings aren't worth shit. Might as well reset the planet again".
Dukes is dead he was not that smart in tech. Just rich and hired smart people. The u known origin is the Odyssey that’s the only thing it could be. I don’t even think he purged Apollo. I don’t think Lis would give him that kind of access. He already doomed humanity.
Your comment did not age well.
Now that Forbidden West is out, we know what actually happened to Faro.
Ah man this game I remember fighting like hell to get to the end..... I'm happy to say Evreything I had to go through was worth it.... It was worth it and I loved it
Are u could have lowered the difficulty in settings
@@JunaidKhan-ps8en I could have but MAMA DIDN'T RASE NO BITCH I THRIVE ON STRESS LMFAO
16:00 what she description of her daughter is exactly what Aloy are.
Born from a rock and has 72 transformation.
The writing is fucking incredible.
This game just gets deeper and deeper as you play. Almost as deep as Uncharted
All the logs and audio logs you pick up, the more story you get of what happened
I felt it was hard to get through uncharted. I only played 4 though so maybe i wasn't invested.
What was a globe doing in Elisabet's hand anyway?
To make us cry. I'm assuming non-plot-wise she found it on the ranch when she got there.
It means..the world is yours
Elisabet's body shouldn't even be there, let alone the globe or the ranch. There's pieces that could have been rebuilt by Gaia , but the suit should've been buried under the ground centuries ago.
To some extent, I think it's supposed to represent Elisabet dying thinking it was all worth it... for the world.
Dramatically, it's a lot of things. Gifting her "daughter" the world. A passing of the torch. A binding to the themes that drive Elisabet. A resolution to Aloy's quest. Honestly, I think they started from wanting Aloy to find something of Elisabet's and then decided a thematically appropriate gift was a globe and the thematic layers built on top of it naturally.
@@forgottenfamily you're right it's weird...only if it wasn't one of the most sophisticated armor created by her company,plus if there's common buildings ruins then why not her remains in her armor? She was elevated,out of reach. Even if she had MREs she would've suffocated eventually since the machines ate all life on the planet.no trees=no air.the awesome game by the way,I lose sense of time when I play it.
@@beastmodejelly8654 The remains we see are exclusively metal structures and other non-organic materials. Which is consistent with what we're told about the Faro plague - that they can consume any biomass. Biomass inside of otherwise non-organic structures is equally consumed. Even if we were to argue that the suit protected her (which is problematic as the machines would likely still want to eat her and they have knives to cut holes for the nano-machines to get into), the ranch should've been destroyed. I suppose one possibility is that Gaia rebuilt the ranch afterwards based upon her descriptions... though the globe is a weird touch if that's the case.
Does anyone know the song playing during Elisabet’s last transmission? It’s so haunting and beautiful
It's on the soundtrack as 'Aloy's Theme'
murder light thank you!!
There are a few songs that play, I think one is whitefall and the other is Homecoming.
"Homecoming"
The music and atmosphere they've created for this is fantastic
A dead woman and a machine.... No wonder they name her... Aloy. [a name for a type of metal that doesn't break easily and high durability with mixture of lot of chemical and metal]. The only less in her name is that she has less letter "L" in it.
Man....... the holographic presentation......I think GAIA made that presentation for a long time
She is an AI and a high advanced one, she receives the transmission, destroyed the fascility did all of her calculations and delivered commands and left that message for Aloy in just 3 milliseconds, that means her processor is a hell of one.
hades did nothin wrong he was just followin his programin
He did and didn't hades programming was/is corrupted so that's what went wrong and ted faro killed the better part of it
Lets not forget what what Sylens said in the end
Hades Didn't corrupted on his own and neither did Ted Faros robots
An Outside source corrupted them and sylens is trying to find out who
Anyone thinks the old woman sounded like Theresa May
It's games like this that make it hard to have faith in a God or a higher power. It's rather hard to believe that there is a Heaven that our spirit goes to when we die. It'd be fantastic if there was, but it sounds too good to be true. I certainly hope that I'm wrong, although I suppose having doubt means I probably won't be going to Heaven either way...
Ok. First, you can believe what you want and beliving in a high plane of existance is not a bad thing. I personally do. If you are right, then nice. If you are wrong, then you'll be dead anyway, so it will not really be important anymore. It really shouldn't be something to be worried about. Also, if people really needs the excuse of a heaven to be nice with other people then we're screwed. I mean, even if there's nothing else, I will still try to not be an asshole to my fellow humans. It's pretty hard sometimes, and you fail more than once but I keep trying nonetheless.
With that said, believe specifically in God or anything christianity says... Don't doubt. It's false. All of it. We know who, when, why and where that particular religion was forged, and we know for what reason it was forged. To keep a few old asshats on the Rome Imperial throne. And previous, it was a cult born from a missinterpretation of what most probably was the words of a violent revolutionary against that same imperial throne and it's domination over Israel. And that was born over another religion that was a cheap copy of part of a babylonian cult outcasted from Babylon. That image of that particular god (one of many of the babylonian mythos) was created to fit a purpose, and thus we can certificate that the entire religion is just a human tale, there's nothing supernatural or divine on it. It's just humaity trying to create a religion from diverse cults and ancient mythos with the purpose of controling and enlsaving an entire civilization. In other words, you can doubt all you want, what the bible says is totally false, so don't worry about that. You won't go to hell for having doubts of the unseen, unpredicitable existance and nature of the supernatural. I don't even see how that can be a bad thing.
Also, you don't need to have faith on anything rather than yourself, and perhaps a very few group of people close to you.
@@Veridiano02 So you don't think there's such thing as a Heaven then?
I quite like how All-Mother is setup and how the name is basically explained. Like, Early humans came from the facility and probably referred it as a mother. This meaning was changed overtime through a game of telephone. Which is how we get the name "All-Mother". Probably because they couldn't understand how such a facility could birth humans. Thus, why Tersa thought Aloy was something Magnificent. It also kinda explains how most religious views are formed. By not understanding something, people would call it a God or God causing something. Like Zeus or our beginning (although we do know how humanity began, the problem now is figuring out how exactly all life started).
I love how well crafted and complex this game is. There are so many complex topics in the story itself, even basic philosophy.
One question because i missed it or it was never spoken, who bring Aloy through E9 doors when she was born and left her there? That "parents" robots or who? Its weird because E9 at that time was propably all empty.
It was a servitor. If you go back into E9, right next to the entrance there's a decayed servitor, the one that was probably bringing Aloy there. One of the last things Gaia ordered E9 to do
@@Orangecatenergy Ohh i must have missed it. Thanks
@@paw3lo87 yeh, can also check operations log in E9, after Aloy (#LK1A1-4510) was born in April 4th 3021 a servitor was reactivated and ordered to take her outside and go back in, logged as "hatch unsealed" and "positioning succesful" at 10:18 and "hatch sealed" at 10:19
I just realized that Gaia's original plan made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
If Aloy had been raised by the Nora, and the Alpha registry was not corrupted, Aloy would not have been allowed in the great chamber until she was a grandmother. Even if she entered the mountain, found a focus and heard Gia's dying plea before Hades could find a way to end life, she would have no idea who Gaia and Hades were, and would have no way of knowing where Gaia Prime is.
None of it would work, unless:
1) Aloy was outcast
2) She was given to Rost
3) She found the Focus as a child
4) She decided to try to win the proving to get answers
5) Hades was found and the Eclipse was formed
6) The Eclipse conscripted Olin and gave him a Focus
7) Erin chose Olin to scout for the delegation
8) Aloy chose to speak with Olin
9) Hades sent the Eclipse to kill Aloy (Villani engineered their own downfall trope)
10) Rost saves Aloy from Helis
Can someone clarify for me, in the game we killed Hades but have we fix GAIA?
haven't fixed gaia yet
Aloy has a really huge job ahead of her: As the guardian of this world, and she is no different, she must not only find and finally destroy HADES, in parallel she must find all other subroutines and free them from corruption. And since HEPHAESTUS is responsible for mechanical engineering, she needs it to rebuild GAJA's system core and reboot GAJA.
In addition, discover new areas, find new friends and enemies ... and whatever else may come ....
Is Aloy really aware of how huge this task really is?
@@ladydalida6917 Probably. But she has most of an automated terraforming system and access to the Cauldrons for fabrication of components. With a few AIs like CYAN to examine so she can get to know how AI cores work (without damaging any of them, obviously), she might genuinely be able to do it.
Why did it end like this
Because Ted Faro sucks
@@fidgetgamer5556 I'd go further Ted Faro is a one man planetary genocide!
He couldn't even let the half dozen scienists who survived his robot extinction army survive he is actually personally responsible for the death of all life on earth... like Humanmon gotta kill them all.
Oh and the icing on the cake is he then he deleted Apollo as well... so when people were finally restored by Gaia they were dumb as bricks and barely better than savages. If society is ever restored in this universe Faro would be held up as the dictionary definition of hubris.
Tbh i hope he's some how still alive so Aloy can kick him square in the balls. Joking aside I'm honestly not sure what punishment you could meet out upon him that measures against that crime?
@@jessmontgomery3454 Daily waterboarding in a cave would be satisfactory I think. To experience the slow deprivation of oxygen that he directly caused, combined with seeing nothing but a dark, grey, dull and the closest thing to a dead environment as you can find to simulate what the last humans would see. Then again, since he's a ruthless businessman you could probably make him cry just by bringing him into this world and putting him into a tribe. Let's see how happy he is without any way of making money because he doesn't understand how the world works anymore
fuck ted faro
Everyone hates Ted Faro, but in reality he made just one mistake, that catastrophically spiralled out of control. When he deleted APOLLO and killed the remaining Alpha's he was deep in psychosis, grief and guilt for what he had caused.
yes he was responsible for the death of the planet, but crucially, unlike Hitler or Stalin, he never intended to do it.
remember he buried the hatchet with Elizabet as soon as he realised his error and bankrolled the entire zero dawn project as penance.
Ted is just a tragic figure as anyone else in the metal world
6:38 "When His disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, 'Who then can be saved?' But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, 'With men this is impossible; but *with God all things are possible* "
Lol they did such a bad job on her face during that scene where she was crying when the door wouldn't let her in due to the alpha registry corruption. Her face looks really strange during that scene, definitely not like a crying person or someone who's upset. Other than that scene tho they did a damn good job on the facial animations.
I gotta admit the facial animations are kind of less refined here. Therefore the differences are very standing out in Frozen Wilds
@@kevinmulia6503 frozen wilds had better facial expressions
@@avikde9631 yes i noticed in the Frozen Wilds DLC it was fixed up better.
@@kevinmulia6503 like in survive prevail
Aloy has no mother. Sobeck is Aloy. Sobeck is recreated in the name of Aloy. Gaia is just the machine to clone Sobeck.
Technically yes. However in this context, she is the daughter of the previous. Aren't we all half clones? At the end of the day?
We enter the domain of what makes you, you. If you are a string of DNA , and will have the same character , logic, feelings, morals, fears, everything that makes you the human named "xxxx", or your life will make you who you are. Same thing as sons and daughters of criminals , they may become criminals as well, or go for cops, or hate both sides and try to make their path something else entirely. There are infinite variables, we learn ally story because she succeeded, what if she hated the tribe and not give a shit? She was raised to give a shit, just like Elisabeth was. Or you are right, and she just acted on her DNA, assassin creed style. The choice is left to the player on what to believe.
They would have had sperm and a egg or DNA code of a man and a woman to create Aloy. Daughter or reincarnation she isn’t Elisabet yet she had the qualities of her. she is Elisabet and Elisabet is also her mother all in one. Gaia created her so technically she has a claim too. I can’t wait till the forbidden west. I wanted to go there the first game. Now I’m all for it. PS5 version too. Ooweee
@@mustafashaqur9694 it is indicated cradle facilities have zygotes, essentially fertilized egg cells.
Unlike with our normal reproductive process, these zygotes seem to be devoid of DNA, which is injected into them, when the cradle facility receives a birthing order. The pods then act as wombs.
Thus all creatures "born" in these facilities are clones. The ones born outside these facilities did so following the biologically appropriate reproductive process for that species.
Must have been terrifying and terribly dangerous for the first generation of humans to walk out of a cradle facility: no knowledge or medical servitors, only urges.
Still, it worked in the Blue Lagoon and evidently these humans worked it out, too. ;-)
@@mustafashaqur9694 is an exact copy offspring or just that, a copy, though?
Why there is a difference betwen them ,they are 99,74%matched not 100%
Because in biology it's rare to have an exact 100 % copy/clone especially for something as complicated human beings.
DNA isn't 100% from different parts of the _same_ person. It's called mutation, it happens pretty much every time a cell copies DNA and undergoes mitosis, 99.99% are entirely inert and do _nothing._ It's the 0.01% that are either good or bad that leads to overt changes. That 99.74 is about what you'd expect in a clone. Or a twin.
the only mistakes liz make is let Ted faro lives. he should die for all the things happens. lol
Only reason she let him live is to use his funding of Zero Dawn...She didn't know he had a backdoor to her project....
@@fredtott4684 He had?
@@Isabelle-hv6ny yes, he was the one who destroyed Apollo and killed a lot of people working on this project.
feels
So
Who place her outside the door thoo!???
A robot, you can read it in the datapoints in Eluthia. It was awakened just to take baby Aloy and put her outside the facility. You can scan it's body, it's called a multiservitor.
Is she her mother or her clone ?
Sorban Aloy is Elisabet’s genetic clone, but we say it’s her mother because it’s the closest she has to a mother
@@veiga4051 Yeah...
So Aloy is a Clone!!!!
Cool 😎
Looks like they decided to use a young Oprah for GAIA's likeness. Fitting, I suppose.
Sophistry so is you channel full of lies?
I hate ted fero fitting punishment hé got sec game irone
wow
Not to ruin anyone’s fun, but literally in the beginning of the game Aloy sees she has a 97-98% DNA resemblance to “her mother”.... Anyone that knows anything about the human body and our reproductive systems, would know that there is no way in hell that that was her mother.
Ummmm this is a clone dude
@@VideoGameSophistry True, but this does bring up another question...WHY WOULD SHE ONLY HAVE 97/98 percent resemblance to her mother. She's a clone. And she was cloned by a super intelligent AI that has her mother's DNA on record.
@@Butmunch666 I think its explained during the main quests.
Her Alpha Registry was corrupted for some reason.
@@Butmunch666 Cloning tech might not be perfect. It might be necessary to use donor sperm and/or eggs from another individual, then edit it with the cloning subject's DNA. Aloy might be made of one of Elizabeth's actual eggs and some dude's gene-edited swimmers.
@@danksley So?
...more 'wamen' in games, please.
Can I be a guy in this game?
Nope.
This is the story of a girl's search for her matriarchal lineage and discovering a massively important heritage to claim. It seems they took a very common story framework for young boys and intentionally gender flipped it.
No :(