You series-connected that many 12.8v batteries? I sure hope you have a massive battery equalizer solution to go along with that "interesting" design choice. The cost of those batteries, with no communications, is just nuts. I'll be surprised if my comment isn't deleted because this is unquestionably the least cost-effective solution for building a large-scale energy storage solution.
@@vhornwright5085 even worse, then you'll have no idea where your single battery voltage is in each 48V pack, thats hopefully not gonna lead to some overvoltages in the bank.
Yep, as an hardware engineer, this seems the worst way to go. Don't know why you did not consult with more providers. Best solution is to go with HV battery for this system scale, you will improve efficiency by 5-10% depending on load and can track each chell individually.
Does seem to make more sense to have used a centralised high voltage box battery system (48v rack mount battery’s or stack type), I appreciate it’ll be easier to replace the individual batteries in this type of set up but if there is no active balancer that smart enough to make sure the 12v battery packs in balance it’s going to cause some problems later on and probably clostridium 50% more then 5 or 10kw rack battery’s Just looking for server rack 48v 200ah each one is around 5kwh for 2k each so only need 40 of them (if you used the larger 10kwh 400ah only need 20 are available but seem to cost more at 5-6k) or go lower with 2.4kwh 100ah for 1k each
I specialized in high-end off grid power systems for over 25 years and you certainly have my compliments. Really nice job all the way around. I always love these big jobs.
I used to think that people were nutz to install 90kWh of batteries (like what Ecoflow Pro Ultra offers at it's max). But now that I have a n anemic 30kWh, and I regularly break 50kWh / day, it's just not enough. (I work in IT and have a server rack in my house, plus 2 EVs)
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity You can only claim the 30% once per build. You cannot keep adding and keep claiming the tax credit. That's why I never added a battery to my 12 year old solar system.
Those seem good mounts. However, why go with 4 12V batteries in series when you can use a 48V server rack, then you wouldn't have to use balancers. I get that battleborn doesn't supply these, but the designer should know this though.
When your at this power level why would you not go for HV batteries (400/800vdc) and the appropriate HV 60-80kW off grid inverter? Your amps get way too high using 48vdc battries like in caravan/rv. At 400vdc for 60kW your only looking at 150amps and at 800vdc its only 75amps which is much better, safer, more efficient for this sort of power. 48vdc makes sense for running lights,fridges and a tv but no sense in these sorts of power usages cases.
This is an absolute beast of a system and Sol-Ark are really good inverters. but I agree, several of the big players have come out with HV inverters that handle 250-800VDC i.e Deye 29k-50k range. I have a feeling that in the next 5 years storage solutions will explode and more and more supplyers with go towards +300VDC Hybrid solutions.
I really hope you didnt use 12v batteries in seires to make 48v. Considering all the 48v battery options out there. The high price of the gamecharger battery doesn't make sense.
What do you think the 48 batteries are made from, the chemistry sets the voltage all 48v batteries are just a bunch of smaller cells in series. Now the price for the batteries is a valid complain.
they are paying $2500+ for these 12V solutions, $771 per kWh of storage, that's so hilariously bad. I have almost 30kWh of LG4's arriving next week and only paying $230isih per kWh of storage. So much waste in that system they designed from the copper wire to the space. I can see why the battery supplier was so happy in the video, he found someone dumb enough to buy a crap ton of their 12V product to build an inefficient system. Most important thing I got from this video is the company name/faces of people I'd never want to do business with or design any system my name is attached to.
@@MrMtaylor7210 Cells yes, batteries no. That is, if you have a 48V battery made up out of 3.2V cells (LFP) you have one BMS monitoring all 16 cells and this can keep the cells balanced - the BMS has a global view of the pack. If you put 4 batteries of 12V (4 cells) in series,you have a BMS per battery (4 independent BMS). These don't know from one another what the state is and thus there is no global view: you can get an imbalance between the individual batteries. You'd need to add an additional monitor to make sure these all stay in balance.
@upnorthandpersonal I'm not sure about the battle born batteries I know a lot of the rack mount stuff has communication between the batteries to resolve that. At the end of the day, if I was building something out I would not use battleborn just due to the pricing.
A lot of time and money went into this system. Kinda wish the electrical room had been painted, it would dress it up even more. What was the cost I wonder.
Wow, if my math is close, 207kwh / 3.24kwh per battery = ~64 batteries. Each battery is $2,499 so that would be about $160,000 USD in just batteries alone. Holy crap.
Installed in a well-insulated room, these batteries maintain proper operating temperature year-round. Even when outdoor temperatures drop below 0°F, the room stays around 40°F, allowing the batteries to continue charging and discharging efficiently. Learn more here: battlebornbatteries.com/a-luxurious-modern-off-grid-home-powered-by-64-battle-born-lifepo4-batteries/
This is so cool. Interesting selection of equipment. Kept the diesel generator hidden? That or i just didnt catch any mention of a distillate oil backup..
The panels have hydrophobic coating and no more than a few inches of snow ever stick before sliding. The panels are tilted at 46° all winter, so the biggest issue is clearing all the snow shedding. 12ft to the ground from the lower front edge gives plenty of space during single big storm events. The snow cat keeps the space clear whenever we start running out of room.
They don't - this is the worst way to do the battery part of the system. They should remove all those 12v batteries and install 48v that will remain balanced with BMS control. Those 12v can become out of balance over time, could lead to fire.
@@Rangband1 yup - when I saw their battery/solar room I cringed. The worst part at the end, the guy/company who built it said "this was built with pride", OOOOOF. Owner seems to not understand anything except how to ride a snowmobile, and the builder sounds like a borderline con artist with this design. Battleborn batteries made out like a bandit though, that's for sure.
@@ultrastoat3298 not when you have a surplus of electricity that's generated by solar and it is extremely expensive to transport propane in remote areas. But otherwise, yeah you are correct. They are becoming very popular as people get rid of their natural gas and move to all solar.
No, all it takes is controlling your spending, become debt free, no interest paid to the suits, drive and maintain older vehicles with liability until the wheels or gas tank fall off, do without dining out daily, do without the four family vacations annually, do without the 3000 sqft house, do without the luxury trucks or SUV, do without the overpriced ATV’s and DIY. That’s how the average wage earning American does it.
Not sure who the owner is but seems like an athlete (snowmobiler, snowboarder, etc) who had some money and turned this into a business. With a business loan, one can build something much bigger than you'd typically do for personal use alone. WIth a bit of seed money and an SBA loan, this project is within reach for anyone with the initiative to turn it into a business, as this guy did.
Four hundred and five watch solar panels cost three times more than five hundred and fifty watt Solar panels and that also goes by facial solar panels. 4 and 5 W soap panels.I want a few dollars.They cost more than all my solar panels together.And I got 5000 W of solar panels besides a point in 5 W solar panels and only bought 4 of those and they cost.An arm and a leg and yet they want your other arm to go with it.
I’d like you to maybe clean up the grammar and errors in your post because I’m not entirely sure what you are trying to say here… The other caveat you may not know of is that in this particular area, there is a list of 8 panels that all the AHJs (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will allow to be used based on snow loading and the panel I chose in the design is the number one on that list…there are no panels in the 550w range at all, because none of them can handle the immense snow loading.
Even on the low end of the scale at $5 per linear foot to trench utilities, that's 95,040 feet (18 miles), or $475k, lol. Seems unlikely the entire system cost that much, but I can't find any cost reporting on this very cool off-grid compound.
Good luck getting to the property without it…it’s 9 miles to the nearest road that gets plowed during winter. Only track driven vehicles are allowed. Everyone who lives out there does this.
@@michaellewis4632you obviously don’t know where this property is and aren’t aware that any wheeled traffic is illegal during winter. Not only would we be pulling you out when you inevitably got stuck with your tires and chains, but the forest service would be there to hand you a ticket with a hefty fine and they might even impound your vehicle.
You series-connected that many 12.8v batteries? I sure hope you have a massive battery equalizer solution to go along with that "interesting" design choice. The cost of those batteries, with no communications, is just nuts. I'll be surprised if my comment isn't deleted because this is unquestionably the least cost-effective solution for building a large-scale energy storage solution.
48v
still? battleborn batteries are the most expensive lithium option in usa, litime are half price, same thing..
@@vhornwright5085 even worse, then you'll have no idea where your single battery voltage is in each 48V pack, thats hopefully not gonna lead to some overvoltages in the bank.
Yep, as an hardware engineer, this seems the worst way to go. Don't know why you did not consult with more providers. Best solution is to go with HV battery for this system scale, you will improve efficiency by 5-10% depending on load and can track each chell individually.
Does seem to make more sense to have used a centralised high voltage box battery system (48v rack mount battery’s or stack type), I appreciate it’ll be easier to replace the individual batteries in this type of set up but if there is no active balancer that smart enough to make sure the 12v battery packs in balance it’s going to cause some problems later on and probably clostridium 50% more then 5 or 10kw rack battery’s
Just looking for server rack 48v 200ah each one is around 5kwh for 2k each so only need 40 of them (if you used the larger 10kwh 400ah only need 20 are available but seem to cost more at 5-6k) or go lower with 2.4kwh 100ah for 1k each
I specialized in high-end off grid power systems for over 25 years and you certainly have my compliments. Really nice job all the way around. I always love these big jobs.
207 KWh battery 🔋 😮 , that is huge ! 🍀 lucky 😊
I mean..... thats less than 1 Hummer EV
What a beautiful place!
I used to think that people were nutz to install 90kWh of batteries (like what Ecoflow Pro Ultra offers at it's max). But now that I have a n anemic 30kWh, and I regularly break 50kWh / day, it's just not enough. (I work in IT and have a server rack in my house, plus 2 EVs)
47kWp 230kWh of LFP were finally enough for an all electric 3000 sqft. Just keep adding every year. 30% one time tax credit helps too.
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity You can only claim the 30% once per build. You cannot keep adding and keep claiming the tax credit. That's why I never added a battery to my 12 year old solar system.
@@jaytate491 thank you. You are correct. So build as much as can afford the first and startup year.
Those seem good mounts. However, why go with 4 12V batteries in series when you can use a 48V server rack, then you wouldn't have to use balancers. I get that battleborn doesn't supply these, but the designer should know this though.
Yea would of been probably half the price going with some good 48v server rack batteries.
Gorgeous place and amazing system.
When your at this power level why would you not go for HV batteries (400/800vdc) and the appropriate HV 60-80kW off grid inverter? Your amps get way too high using 48vdc battries like in caravan/rv. At 400vdc for 60kW your only looking at 150amps and at 800vdc its only 75amps which is much better, safer, more efficient for this sort of power. 48vdc makes sense for running lights,fridges and a tv but no sense in these sorts of power usages cases.
This is an absolute beast of a system and Sol-Ark are really good inverters. but I agree, several of the big players have come out with HV inverters that handle 250-800VDC i.e Deye 29k-50k range. I have a feeling that in the next 5 years storage solutions will explode and more and more supplyers with go towards +300VDC Hybrid solutions.
I really hope you didnt use 12v batteries in seires to make 48v. Considering all the 48v battery options out there. The high price of the gamecharger battery doesn't make sense.
What do you think the 48 batteries are made from, the chemistry sets the voltage all 48v batteries are just a bunch of smaller cells in series. Now the price for the batteries is a valid complain.
they are paying $2500+ for these 12V solutions, $771 per kWh of storage, that's so hilariously bad. I have almost 30kWh of LG4's arriving next week and only paying $230isih per kWh of storage. So much waste in that system they designed from the copper wire to the space. I can see why the battery supplier was so happy in the video, he found someone dumb enough to buy a crap ton of their 12V product to build an inefficient system. Most important thing I got from this video is the company name/faces of people I'd never want to do business with or design any system my name is attached to.
@toxin440 Yeah the price for battle born never made sense to me
@@MrMtaylor7210 Cells yes, batteries no. That is, if you have a 48V battery made up out of 3.2V cells (LFP) you have one BMS monitoring all 16 cells and this can keep the cells balanced - the BMS has a global view of the pack. If you put 4 batteries of 12V (4 cells) in series,you have a BMS per battery (4 independent BMS). These don't know from one another what the state is and thus there is no global view: you can get an imbalance between the individual batteries. You'd need to add an additional monitor to make sure these all stay in balance.
@upnorthandpersonal I'm not sure about the battle born batteries I know a lot of the rack mount stuff has communication between the batteries to resolve that. At the end of the day, if I was building something out I would not use battleborn just due to the pricing.
A lot of time and money went into this system.
Kinda wish the electrical room had been painted, it would dress it up even more.
What was the cost I wonder.
What, you mean workmanship? Nah, that's over rated.
Awesome project.
Groovy indeed - cheers. Nice workmanship.
Thank you .
This was very helpful to a vast amount of people all over the globe .
Well done 👍
Sad didn't do motorized parking to put panels vertical at night to keep snow off
They are motorized.
I thought they looked like they were.
With all that snow, I’d have thought bifacial panel would have been a good idea.
That’s rad af. Good for him .
Missed opportunity to paint the walls before the equipment went in...
Wow, if my math is close, 207kwh / 3.24kwh per battery = ~64 batteries. Each battery is $2,499 so that would be about $160,000 USD in just batteries alone. Holy crap.
sounds like money was spent that didn’t have to be….there are better choices that cost a lot less.
3000sqft. 47kWp, 230kWh diy LFP.
This is awesome!
NICE Spot just a little 2 "off Grid" for Me!! "18 Miles to nearest power lines"
so dope!
I m courious how the low temperature influence to battery's performance in the Sierra Nevada
Installed in a well-insulated room, these batteries maintain proper operating temperature year-round. Even when outdoor temperatures drop below 0°F, the room stays around 40°F, allowing the batteries to continue charging and discharging efficiently. Learn more here: battlebornbatteries.com/a-luxurious-modern-off-grid-home-powered-by-64-battle-born-lifepo4-batteries/
How much does all this battery and solar panels cost all in all?
This is so cool. Interesting selection of equipment. Kept the diesel generator hidden? That or i just didnt catch any mention of a distillate oil backup..
Hi, how are the panels kept clear of snow? Is it an automated system or does some one have to clear them manually?
The panels have hydrophobic coating and no more than a few inches of snow ever stick before sliding. The panels are tilted at 46° all winter, so the biggest issue is clearing all the snow shedding. 12ft to the ground from the lower front edge gives plenty of space during single big storm events. The snow cat keeps the space clear whenever we start running out of room.
@@FiveStarNomadic hi, thank you for your response much appreciated. All you need now is a robo-snowplow to remove the snow beneath the panels 🤓.
@@H2Dwoatthat would be nice, we just have the typical snow cat for now!
@@FiveStarNomadic 👍
Wonder who the owner is and where he got the funds to do all of this?
Price for this project please!
Very huge system! I didnt know Battle born makes 48v batteries?
Battle Born only make 12V and some 24V batteries. When you connect 4x 12V batteries in series you get 48V, 2x 24V batteries in series = 48V.
@@zmt5578 then you need a balancer to keep all the 12v balanced.
They don't - this is the worst way to do the battery part of the system. They should remove all those 12v batteries and install 48v that will remain balanced with BMS control. Those 12v can become out of balance over time, could lead to fire.
How deep snow can that tracked SUV handle?
Damn this is a true gem!!😍
It’s an engineering disaster, terrible design using the wrong components when it came to the batteries and inverter.
@@Rangband1 yup - when I saw their battery/solar room I cringed. The worst part at the end, the guy/company who built it said "this was built with pride", OOOOOF. Owner seems to not understand anything except how to ride a snowmobile, and the builder sounds like a borderline con artist with this design. Battleborn batteries made out like a bandit though, that's for sure.
Nice, not roughing it ! A $1,000,000 place.
i want one
Wire way would look soooo much better
We haven’t finished that whole cable management side of things yet. We ran out of time this season…same with the painting of the electrical room
What about running water?
And your alternative would be?
Awesome
why not just server rack battery ?
I think they chose well established companies that will still be around in the future.
That's not a very good choice for this type of application and capacity size.
battleborn stock just went way up.
"Electric tankless water heaters" Thats the craziest thing I heard.
It's actually extremely smart when you have a system of this size.
@@boblatkey7160 doesn’t make any sense. Electric tankless water heaters are the most inefficient way of making hot water.
@@ultrastoat3298 not when you have a surplus of electricity that's generated by solar and it is extremely expensive to transport propane in remote areas. But otherwise, yeah you are correct. They are becoming very popular as people get rid of their natural gas and move to all solar.
@@ultrastoat3298 Should be air to water cold climate heat pumps.
What’s the point of running electric tankless hot water heaters off-grid? Granted, never run out of hot water. perhaps they are point of use.
Air to water heat pumps would use 1/4 as much electricity. When you are solar and battery you need heat pumps.
Battle born Lithium? Nice marketing video.
Trust fund or OF money? Millionaire can make anything happen, it’s saying our product is 1 percent only items!
I'm pretty sure trust fund. Just from the vibes
No, all it takes is controlling your spending, become debt free, no interest paid to the suits, drive and maintain older vehicles with liability until the wheels or gas tank fall off, do without dining out daily, do without the four family vacations annually, do without the 3000 sqft house, do without the luxury trucks or SUV, do without the overpriced ATV’s and DIY. That’s how the average wage earning American does it.
@@robdavy4468not a trust funded…owner built multiple brands in the food industry that got bought up by big brands…
Not sure who the owner is but seems like an athlete (snowmobiler, snowboarder, etc) who had some money and turned this into a business. With a business loan, one can build something much bigger than you'd typically do for personal use alone. WIth a bit of seed money and an SBA loan, this project is within reach for anyone with the initiative to turn it into a business, as this guy did.
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrityKlaus Shwab; you will own nothing. And be happy. ha, iv got 2 solar panels.. works great!!
Four hundred and five watch solar panels cost three times more than five hundred and fifty watt Solar panels and that also goes by facial solar panels. 4 and 5 W soap panels.I want a few dollars.They cost more than all my solar panels together.And I got 5000 W of solar panels besides a point in 5 W solar panels and only bought 4 of those and they cost.An arm and a leg and yet they want your other arm to go with it.
I’d like you to maybe clean up the grammar and errors in your post because I’m not entirely sure what you are trying to say here…
The other caveat you may not know of is that in this particular area, there is a list of 8 panels that all the AHJs (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will allow to be used based on snow loading and the panel I chose in the design is the number one on that list…there are no panels in the 550w range at all, because none of them can handle the immense snow loading.
@@FiveStarNomadic Are there no bifacial panels on the list? They seem like they would be beneficial, capturing light reflecting off the snow.
Nonsense
For the cost of this you probably could have run power the 18 miles to the house .
and not replace it in 20 years
Even on the low end of the scale at $5 per linear foot to trench utilities, that's 95,040 feet (18 miles), or $475k, lol. Seems unlikely the entire system cost that much, but I can't find any cost reporting on this very cool off-grid compound.
A suburban on tracks that’s so stupid
Good luck getting to the property without it…it’s 9 miles to the nearest road that gets plowed during winter. Only track driven vehicles are allowed. Everyone who lives out there does this.
You're just jealous!
@@SmallVansBigWorld no chains and a winch would do just fine
@@michaellewis4632you obviously don’t know where this property is and aren’t aware that any wheeled traffic is illegal during winter. Not only would we be pulling you out when you inevitably got stuck with your tires and chains, but the forest service would be there to hand you a ticket with a hefty fine and they might even impound your vehicle.
@@FiveStarNomadic okay buddy
nice system .you should have went high voltage 250/400 and you would have safed money and had more power.
You're absolutely wrong. All kinds of problems with that idea.