The servant of the Lord did say “The time has come when, as God opens the way, families should move out of the cities.” (AH 139.4) “Take your families away from the cities is my message.” (AH 139.3) Do you take this as a command under inspiration? I certainly do. It’s imperative that we move now as God opens the way. Blessings.
"As God opens the way, families should move" is that a command or advice? Its in line with what I mention in the video. EGW recommends that we move into the country and out of the cities. I concur.
@ “Take your families away from the cities is my message.” Who gave her this message? Surely there isn’t advice implied in this quote, but urgency from God. What about the previous quote? “The time has come” No one can say it’s “advice” if the time has come. I understand your position on country living, and I believe that you believe we should be practicing country living, but we are way past the time when we should’ve been in the country. Study Matthew 24:15, Luke 21:20,21 and the GC chapter 1. What happened to Jerusalem in AD 70 will be repeated again, but God in His mercy towards us erring children has not permitted the 4 winds of strife to be let loose yet because we, as Lot, have a lingering spirit. But not too long from now, He will begin to let loose the winds of strife and then it will be too late for any to learn how to live off the land and prepare, especially too late to prepare our characters. This is an urgent message brother, not an advisable message. Blessings.
Pastor, thank you for the time you took to respond to the comments. I appreciate your humility, politeness and the tranquil demeanour. It made an immense impression on me.GOD BLESS you richly because it's ONLY the character we will take along to heaven that's why we need to inculcate the JESUS character NOW..Stay blessed.
Amen and amen. Its an honor. All glory to God for this. I appreciate your comment. My main prayer is that Jesus will be glorified at the end of the day. God bless you and thanks for the kind words. 🙏😇
@ryangdamons And I say a loud AMEN to that main prayer. May the LORD HELP us that HE ALONE be glorified through our lives. Let's hold on to that everlasting MIGTY RIGHT ARM OF THE MOST HIGH till we shall meet at the golden shore. The LORD KEEP you steadfast Pastor in HIS truth together with your family in JESUS NAME, AMEN.
This pastor has definitely a different agenda all together,, there's more sin in the cities,, from pornografy to crime the pleasure of life greed fast life less time to study the word work work work stress,, and you come here and disregard the idea of moving to the country where it's more peaceful?
Hi Francisco. That's not what I said in the video. I highlighted the benefits of being in the country. In fact, I mentioned it being one of my favourite places to be. 🙏 I agree the cities are crowded with all kinds of sin. However, there are cases of crime and sin in the country side, especially here in South Africa. Farmers are often attacked in the country. I was just trying to be objective in my thinking. But I appreciate your comment and taking the time to watch the video. 😇🙏
Lets look at the situation of those you mentioned living in the city correctly: you mentioned David....Israel was a godly nation at that so there's no issue there to begin with, especially during the reign of David. they weren't in apostacy then. Joseph was educated as a child before being sold into slavery by his brothers he had the right foundation spiritually within him and God was with him. The same can be said for Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah after the prophecy of Isiah about Babylon coming to take them captive the parents of those boys trained them well so they were educated spiritually to face what was to come in the future and it can be seen that they were trained properly. You mentioned Nehemiah also what we must understand more clearly is that Sis White's council about country living is more focus on the proper development of our mental capacity to understand spiritual things. The grave issue today is many of us are developed intellectually and there's literally a lacking of the spiritual connection that we need with heaven. Everyone that you mentioned in the city were trained spiritually to face and fight the spiritual warfare and give God the glory. It's a 1000 times harder today to raise a family in the cities of today (whether Christian or not) compare to back then so we need to keep that in mind. God bless
Thanks so much for the input and insight. I couldn't agree more. The ideal situation would be to raise our kids in the country where the temptations are less. Many members struggle to keep up with the demands of the city, and also sometimes neglect their spirituality and that of their kids. I agree that its important to have the right foundation in God. Its even harder to gain that foundation in the cities. So yeah the ideal situation would be to be in the country. Thats one of the benefits of gaining a clearer understanding of the Scriptures and being away from the interferences of the cities. Its sort of that we need to be further grounded in the Lord in the cities. Its not easy but not impossible. Thanks so much for your comment and for the insight. I really appreciate it. God bless🙏😇
@@ryangdamons Pastor I've been noticing that there's an educational issue with God's people and I'm referring to majority of us! Because if the children are in this situation, it simply means that they're issue too with the parents. They're many who believe in the truths for this time (present truth), but our attitudes, our behaviour, how we response to things said that we don't agree shows that something isn't right with us! Many of us myself included have not been educated spiritually to fight this great warfare we're in. ( Said the angel, "Deny self; ye must step fast." Some of us have had time to get the truth and to advance step by step, and every step we have taken has given us strength to take the next. But now time is almost finished, and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months. They will also have much to unlearn and much to learn again. EW) there's much for many of us to unlearn that will come with a great sacrifice. I've been praying for spiritual help, praying that Jesus will help us to live like he did while he was on earth. Let us strive for the mind of Jesus Christ to be in us every second. God be with you and God bless
Oh boy.. This is why we appreciate independent present truth preachers, because this is all that most conference pastors have to offer, on the subject. One reason for this, i believe is that when members leave cities for the country, the risk of no tithe returning to conference increases significantly.. by extension, Pastor job security becomes a problem...
Speak on the topics you fully understand pastor. By beholding you become changed hence the call to leave the cities where sin is prevalent. No buy and no sell is coming before the death Decree, how will people survive in the cities? Do not confuse us. Country living is part of the present truth. The message for our time. Seems you're part of the group who doesn't believe in the authority of Egw writings because these topics are very clear together with the health message.
Thanks for your comment. I actually agreed with EGW in this video. Maybe I didnt make it as clear. However, there will come a time when we need to flee the cities when the time of trouble occurs. Before that time, country living is preferable, however not a command. This is what the EGW estate as well as EGW says herself🙏
@ryangdamons character building is on e of the reasons for country living, how can you build character in a crisis?I honestly don't understand your reasoning on this. Time is now and we have to move as quick as possible and don't be presumptuous.
I agree with you. I was just sharing what Ellen White says about the issue. She does encourage it and its something that we should consider. However, she neither commands it, neither does the Bible. We can also develop character in the cities. It's not an impossibility. Unless we can only develop character in the country? I agree with the urgency of our decision.
It is in the choice of the person to live in the cities or in the country however we learn in the story of lot when they were about to be destroyed lot got out of the city however Very few will make it because even the daughters of lot did not leave the cities because it was in them so lot WA the only one who got saved so decide decide
@ryangdamons pastor I don't know what you exactly mean when you say it's not a command. Personally, I believe every message from God is a command though we have freedom of choice. If leaving the cities is a message from God then I treat it the same way as the message to Noah to build and to enter into the Ark. This is how I treat all the testimonies containing the message for our time.
If you want to go and live in the country and experience all the benefits of what a country living is, then leave all modern technologies and modern lifestyle including cellphones, laptops and computers!
Hi Patrick. Yes she says that in the book "Country living" page 29 (Chapter 8). She encourages country living due to the issues in the city. She also does say that Churches are to be established in the cities but not institutions. The country living is for the benefit of avoiding the vices of city living, but she also doesn't want the city people to be neglected - she would encourage us to work the cities from the country side. There's no doubt that her message is for country living. Like I mentioned, it would be ideal, although a lot of people struggle with the transition. Also, some places in the world may not have cities, but are the bedrock of terrible vices such as drug and alcohol abuse. So contextualization is important.
What is the Adventist message? Is it to leave the cities? Would be interesting to hear how you summarize the Adventist message. Thanks for your comment🙏😇
Agreed. But I know some places in South African country sides that have bars/shebeens. People have ways and means of getting what they want. Its unfortunate. However, I agree that the cities are more dangerous and enticing than the country🙏😇
It was in the mountains that Jesus pray to his fathe, in this time while living the country, you need to share the good of salvation to those in living city just as Jesus.
Totally wrong,you don’t know what you r playing in?! Warning is done.Just wait the truth will win. In Almighty strong power .had time is coming soon and will be worse than today and before.Maranatha
How am I wrong? I simply quoted EGW and the Bible. I actually supported the idea of moving to the country when the Lord provides. Thanks for your comment 🙏😇
Yeah that happens. That is true for many people around the world. Understanding and applying this message needs to be done in context. I appreciate your comment🙏😇
What do you mean, not yet?!? Are you trying to get more lambs slaughtered? Yikes. It’s like divorce. Never God’s plan but He allows it. Same with diet, why eat things we know make us sicker? I want God’s healing by obeying His instructions for how His creation works. It’s reality. Why make righteousness so much harder? Guard your heart & your home. Leave no open doors for any other spirits. Look to the examples in nature of how God’s kingdom works. Stop being so busy with your own activities. How do you hear the voice of God in so much noise? Be still & Know I am God. Have you seen national news ever? Fear is a liar, clearly the point of news broadcasts. However, we are called to be watchmen, proclaiming present truth. Look at the signs of the times, let the wool be pulled back. We are clearly instructed in the spirit of prophecy to work (evangelize & medical missions) & if possible to live out of the cities. Trust God to give you the means to! Why limit God’s power so greatly? He will never leave you or forsake you! Claim Bible promises & shout them with joy! Look up your redemption draws near!!
The servant of the Lord did say “The time has come when, as God opens the way, families should move out of the cities.” (AH 139.4)
“Take your families away from the cities is my message.” (AH 139.3)
Do you take this as a command under inspiration? I certainly do. It’s imperative that we move now as God opens the way.
Blessings.
"As God opens the way, families should move" is that a command or advice? Its in line with what I mention in the video. EGW recommends that we move into the country and out of the cities. I concur.
@ “Take your families away from the cities is my message.” Who gave her this message? Surely there isn’t advice implied in this quote, but urgency from God. What about the previous quote? “The time has come” No one can say it’s “advice” if the time has come.
I understand your position on country living, and I believe that you believe we should be practicing country living, but we are way past the time when we should’ve been in the country. Study Matthew 24:15, Luke 21:20,21 and the GC chapter 1. What happened to Jerusalem in AD 70 will be repeated again, but God in His mercy towards us erring children has not permitted the 4 winds of strife to be let loose yet because we, as Lot, have a lingering spirit. But not too long from now, He will begin to let loose the winds of strife and then it will be too late for any to learn how to live off the land and prepare, especially too late to prepare our characters. This is an urgent message brother, not an advisable message.
Blessings.
Pastor, thank you for the time you took to respond to the comments. I appreciate your humility, politeness and the tranquil demeanour. It made an immense impression on me.GOD BLESS you richly because it's ONLY the character we will take along to heaven that's why we need to inculcate the JESUS character NOW..Stay blessed.
Amen and amen. Its an honor. All glory to God for this. I appreciate your comment. My main prayer is that Jesus will be glorified at the end of the day. God bless you and thanks for the kind words. 🙏😇
@ryangdamons And I say a loud AMEN to that main prayer. May the LORD HELP us that HE ALONE be glorified through our lives. Let's hold on to that everlasting MIGTY RIGHT ARM OF THE MOST HIGH till we shall meet at the golden shore. The LORD KEEP you steadfast Pastor in HIS truth together with your family in JESUS NAME, AMEN.
Thank you for the clarity 🙏
It's a pleasure😇🙏
Powerful and well detailed presentation
This pastor has definitely a different agenda all together,, there's more sin in the cities,, from pornografy to crime the pleasure of life greed fast life less time to study the word work work work stress,, and you come here and disregard the idea of moving to the country where it's more peaceful?
Hi Francisco. That's not what I said in the video. I highlighted the benefits of being in the country. In fact, I mentioned it being one of my favourite places to be. 🙏 I agree the cities are crowded with all kinds of sin. However, there are cases of crime and sin in the country side, especially here in South Africa. Farmers are often attacked in the country. I was just trying to be objective in my thinking. But I appreciate your comment and taking the time to watch the video. 😇🙏
Dont discredit the man becuase he holds a different opinion with yours. He did the study sincerely balancing the quotes with scriptures
Lets look at the situation of those you mentioned living in the city correctly: you mentioned David....Israel was a godly nation at that so there's no issue there to begin with, especially during the reign of David. they weren't in apostacy then. Joseph was educated as a child before being sold into slavery by his brothers he had the right foundation spiritually within him and God was with him. The same can be said for Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah after the prophecy of Isiah about Babylon coming to take them captive the parents of those boys trained them well so they were educated spiritually to face what was to come in the future and it can be seen that they were trained properly. You mentioned Nehemiah also what we must understand more clearly is that Sis White's council about country living is more focus on the proper development of our mental capacity to understand spiritual things. The grave issue today is many of us are developed intellectually and there's literally a lacking of the spiritual connection that we need with heaven. Everyone that you mentioned in the city were trained spiritually to face and fight the spiritual warfare and give God the glory. It's a 1000 times harder today to raise a family in the cities of today (whether Christian or not) compare to back then so we need to keep that in mind. God bless
Thanks so much for the input and insight. I couldn't agree more. The ideal situation would be to raise our kids in the country where the temptations are less. Many members struggle to keep up with the demands of the city, and also sometimes neglect their spirituality and that of their kids. I agree that its important to have the right foundation in God. Its even harder to gain that foundation in the cities. So yeah the ideal situation would be to be in the country. Thats one of the benefits of gaining a clearer understanding of the Scriptures and being away from the interferences of the cities. Its sort of that we need to be further grounded in the Lord in the cities. Its not easy but not impossible.
Thanks so much for your comment and for the insight. I really appreciate it. God bless🙏😇
@@ryangdamons Pastor I've been noticing that there's an educational issue with God's people and I'm referring to majority of us! Because if the children are in this situation, it simply means that they're issue too with the parents. They're many who believe in the truths for this time (present truth), but our attitudes, our behaviour, how we response to things said that we don't agree shows that something isn't right with us! Many of us myself included have not been educated spiritually to fight this great warfare we're in. ( Said the angel, "Deny self; ye must step fast." Some of us have had time to get the truth and to advance step by step, and every step we have taken has given us strength to take the next. But now time is almost finished, and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months. They will also have much to unlearn and much to learn again. EW) there's much for many of us to unlearn that will come with a great sacrifice. I've been praying for spiritual help, praying that Jesus will help us to live like he did while he was on earth. Let us strive for the mind of Jesus Christ to be in us every second. God be with you and God bless
Oh boy.. This is why we appreciate independent present truth preachers, because this is all that most conference pastors have to offer, on the subject. One reason for this, i believe is that when members leave cities for the country, the risk of no tithe returning to conference increases significantly.. by extension, Pastor job security becomes a problem...
Speak on the topics you fully understand pastor. By beholding you become changed hence the call to leave the cities where sin is prevalent. No buy and no sell is coming before the death Decree, how will people survive in the cities? Do not confuse us. Country living is part of the present truth. The message for our time. Seems you're part of the group who doesn't believe in the authority of Egw writings because these topics are very clear together with the health message.
Thanks for your comment. I actually agreed with EGW in this video. Maybe I didnt make it as clear. However, there will come a time when we need to flee the cities when the time of trouble occurs. Before that time, country living is preferable, however not a command. This is what the EGW estate as well as EGW says herself🙏
@ryangdamons character building is on e of the reasons for country living, how can you build character in a crisis?I honestly don't understand your reasoning on this. Time is now and we have to move as quick as possible and don't be presumptuous.
I agree with you. I was just sharing what Ellen White says about the issue. She does encourage it and its something that we should consider. However, she neither commands it, neither does the Bible. We can also develop character in the cities. It's not an impossibility. Unless we can only develop character in the country? I agree with the urgency of our decision.
It is in the choice of the person to live in the cities or in the country however we learn in the story of lot when they were about to be destroyed lot got out of the city however Very few will make it because even the daughters of lot did not leave the cities because it was in them so lot WA the only one who got saved so decide decide
@ryangdamons pastor I don't know what you exactly mean when you say it's not a command. Personally, I believe every message from God is a command though we have freedom of choice. If leaving the cities is a message from God then I treat it the same way as the message to Noah to build and to enter into the Ark. This is how I treat all the testimonies containing the message for our time.
If you want to go and live in the country and experience all the benefits of what a country living is, then leave all modern technologies and modern lifestyle including cellphones, laptops and computers!
Pastor what about the quotation which says get out of the cities is my message noe
Hi Patrick. Yes she says that in the book "Country living" page 29 (Chapter 8). She encourages country living due to the issues in the city. She also does say that Churches are to be established in the cities but not institutions. The country living is for the benefit of avoiding the vices of city living, but she also doesn't want the city people to be neglected - she would encourage us to work the cities from the country side.
There's no doubt that her message is for country living. Like I mentioned, it would be ideal, although a lot of people struggle with the transition. Also, some places in the world may not have cities, but are the bedrock of terrible vices such as drug and alcohol abuse. So contextualization is important.
This guy don't know what he is saying. You don't understand the Adventist message Pastor.
What is the Adventist message? Is it to leave the cities? Would be interesting to hear how you summarize the Adventist message. Thanks for your comment🙏😇
@ryangdamons pastor leaving the cities is part of the present truth perhaps that's what was meant.
Dont discredit the pastor after this powerful balanced presentation
Revelation 13. Read and understand @@vincentsimuzoshya7013
Sorry pastor but you are wrong , I can't be a Christian in a bar
Agreed. But I know some places in South African country sides that have bars/shebeens. People have ways and means of getting what they want. Its unfortunate. However, I agree that the cities are more dangerous and enticing than the country🙏😇
It will be more difficult to come out of the cities when the time of trouble comes
It was in the mountains that Jesus pray to his fathe, in this time while living the country, you need to share the good of salvation to those in living city just as Jesus.
Amen. Agreed. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. Its much appreciated🙏
Totally wrong,you don’t know what you r playing in?! Warning is done.Just wait the truth will win. In Almighty strong power .had time is coming soon and will be worse than today and before.Maranatha
How am I wrong? I simply quoted EGW and the Bible. I actually supported the idea of moving to the country when the Lord provides.
Thanks for your comment 🙏😇
See Lots option, going to Sodoma.
The country side i came from is worse than the town i lived in
Yeah that happens. That is true for many people around the world. Understanding and applying this message needs to be done in context.
I appreciate your comment🙏😇
What do you mean, not yet?!? Are you trying to get more lambs slaughtered? Yikes. It’s like divorce. Never God’s plan but He allows it. Same with diet, why eat things we know make us sicker? I want God’s healing by obeying His instructions for how His creation works. It’s reality. Why make righteousness so much harder? Guard your heart & your home. Leave no open doors for any other spirits. Look to the examples in nature of how God’s kingdom works. Stop being so busy with your own activities. How do you hear the voice of God in so much noise? Be still & Know I am God. Have you seen national news ever? Fear is a liar, clearly the point of news broadcasts. However, we are called to be watchmen, proclaiming present truth. Look at the signs of the times, let the wool be pulled back.
We are clearly instructed in the spirit of prophecy to work (evangelize & medical missions) & if possible to live out of the cities. Trust God to give you the means to! Why limit God’s power so greatly? He will never leave you or forsake you! Claim Bible promises & shout them with joy! Look up your redemption draws near!!