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So, . . . Mr. Dates and Dead guys.....the question is what do YOU think of the longer format ? Do you think it is something you will continue to do ? Just wondering what to expect.
@pobinr natives courageously raided and tortured their captives. I guess you didn't pay attention enough to this channel's videos because this time period wasn't great for both sides, and we should be glad it's over with. No one has a blood feud unless they're delusional enough to believe that.
@@pobinr Travelling through hostile territory makes it even more courageous. They were just normal people. Blame the US Government for telling people to go. A lot of pioneers weren't aware the land was inhabited and would be fought over, particularly new immigrants from Europe, the Government conveniently neglected to mention that, Nothing is black and white.
They were brave warriors of the USA Tribe! They capture territory but without the blood and gore. They were much braver than a bunch of boys with paint on their faces.
Great stories, perfect for bedtime listening! They remind me of my high school history teacher who taught it in soap opera format, cliffhangers included! We couldn’t wait for the next class to find out what happened next! Great job, I look forward to more! You have a storytelling gift.
Engaging video, apparently well researched and nicely narrated. I would make two minor points, but details count: 1) there is no such thing as a "Congressional Medal of Honor"-- the Medal of Honor is awarded by the President, not the Congress. 2) "...what they had came to do" is bad grammar-- "had come" is correct.
You know the Comanche were tough by how the Apache were so sick of being attacked and raided they moved to the Arizona desert mountains to get away from them.
Your right, the Apaches did not originate in the deserts and mountains of Arizona and New Mexico. The Commanches pushed them out of their own territory. Loved this video...very well presented, thks you. Lou from Arizona 😎
That's always been my question, if the US were to give land back to Native American tribes, who gets the Apache's original homeland? Do they only get the desert? Do Comanches get their ancestral lands they lived in before they discovered horses & moved south into the Great Plains? A lot would ride on the decision because there were several regions & time periods tribes were constantly kicking each other out of different areas. It would quickly get really complicated.
@@meeek21 the Comanche were a run of the mill outsider tribe until they found mustangs and learned to breed them. Changed everything. Like the Mongols before they found horses.
I live NE of Blanco Canyon, smack dab in the middle of Comancheria. Even today this part of the Country will still kill those unprepared to deal with the extremes. Very well done video!
@@johnsonandsons4 it does make you wonder why the bloody hell the American settlers would want to go in there in the first place. Also, what the hell were the army doing not ensuring that they had some defences when they came at night.
I'm from another place, Australia... and the American frontier of the 1800's is something that sounds so strange (to me). Thanks for explaining it dramatically and so well.
As a member of the Kwahadi band, Thank you!. I have to say this about Kwana. There were more than one person that was considered "chief'. more as an Elder. and as far as I know we never surrendered to anyone. My family was at Adobe Walls and my cousins are the Ishate(the medicine man that essentially told the Kwahadi to raid Adobe Walls,on that horrific night)... Love this video and Ura(Thanks).
I have lived in this area all my life. The descriptions of the land and weather are accurate. Quanah Parker was indeed a powerful leader. In fact, there is a town named after him here. I really enjoy your videos! Thanks.
I really want to experience a high plains blizzard. I have read account of people getting lost between their house and barn because the wind and snow destroy visibility so much.
This is awesome. I’m happy you both enjoy it. Some of my favorite memories of my Grandfather were of chats like that of things we would listen to on the way to boy scouts.
I’ve lived in Lubbock, in the heart of the Llano Estacado, for more than 30 years and have experienced the weather you describe in this video. I find your descriptions of the terrain and climate to be quite accurate. The Llano Estacado and the great escarpment we know as the Caprock must be experienced to truly understand, but your descriptions come very close to understanding. I’ve also read and heard about the Battle of Blanco Canyon and Quanah Parker for many years, but never saw the kind of details you’ve shown me today, when we are having one of the wind storms you mentioned: no sleet or snow today, but I’ve seen and experienced those. Wonderful video! Thank you. BTW, another of your videos described the raid on the Parkers when Cynthia Ann Parker was captured by the Comanche. I had never known she had an older sister who was also taken. Again, thank you for your great storytelling.
@edsears8647 have you had a chance to read Empire of the Summer Moon? It describes the life of Quanah and how Cynthia Ann came to be his mother. It also describes in detail the terrain of the Estacado.
I’m from Lubbock too, the wind would drive me crazy! But the thunderstorms and sky were amazing. I live further north now and I miss the intensity of the sun.
Lived about 20 years in Lubbock and Crosbyton, crazy weather,March and April sand storms, summer hailstorms and tornados till October, and the coldest winters I have ever lived through. You had to be though to survive there in the 1800's.
I guarantee that, let alone a few Rangers - maybe besides Sioux, not a single nation’s force would be the end all be all for Comanche. Remember the U.S., Mexican, French, Spanish (all who brought sickness and decimated nearly half the tribe) - in addition to enemy tribes such as Osage, Cheyenne, and Apache, were all vying for the opposition and position. There is a story from 1835, US government dragoon expedition led by Col. H. Dodge went on campaign directly into Comancheria to demonstrate military prowess or muscle, to be humbled. Mid June as the military were overcoming the hills, they saw a camp of a Comanche band, and halted in awe upon sight of their camp, completely intimidated. Struck in fear, it came back to them when a 2 rowed line of warriors broke into full gallop war crying and whooping towards the fully armed US, in a disciplined demonstration of their own. Upon going in and out, the Comanche who left their arms behind, and no war dress, looked the soldiers with no fear much less expression. As George Gatlin recalls to the everlasting credit of the Comanche we were to be welcomed in by the warriors wanting to trade and receive gifts from the humbled US military. Your quote, to think that, is blatant ignorance. If you knew the numbers on Comanche warpath - you’d understand.
I grew up in Clarendon TX, I have Pueblo and Jicarilla Apache from my dad’s side. Throughout Texas mostly, that is why you see some trees that are seemingly grown parallel to the ground. These are called Comanche marker trees they would tie down a young tree and as it grew that way - would be land markers for them.
@@LandonBell11most notably in Texas. Though they came from northern US, most early European Comanche accounts start around San Luis Valley Colorado and through Santa Fe, onward to Texas where they settled. In Texas as they ventured through vast territory barren of trees such as Llano Estacado, they needed a familiar marker.
@@randysanchez931 So were there any marking carved into the trees to give information or was it just marker trees to point out the direction of water or some other resource?
The Army had very little success in ridding Texas of the Comanche. Mainly due to their inability to deviate from the European method(s) of warfare. The rare instances of their success against the Comanche were by surprise and overwhelming force. "Surprise" was mostly luck. "Overwhelming force" was entirely predicated on logistical advantage ("shaky" at best in that era). The Texas Rangers were tasked to eliminate the Comanche from Texas, and they were the deciding party to affecting that. They were not constrained by bureaucracy, red tape, and ineffective tactics. They fought the Comanche in the same n=manner the Comanche fought. Something Quanah Parker realized soon enough to save his people from total extinction...that was the intent of the Rangers and the Texas government. Blanco Canyon was the glaring example of the US Governments inability to address the Comanche. My ancestors had extensive issues with this tribe (Richard Coffee) Excellent presentation on the Blanco Canyon fiasco. Look forward to more.
I would love to look more into the original Texas rangers. They were legitimate cowboys. Their life expectancy was crazy low, they answered for very little. A absolute wild bunch of people in a crazy time in history.
@@datesanddeadguysMany of the early Ranger's backgrounds varied, and their life expectancy was understandably low due to "learning the ropes". They quickly adapted to the Comanche way of thought and warfare (a "total warfare" concept that western armies do not ascribe to...even today) (various tribes were enemies of the Comanche and greatly helped the Rangers in their efforts). To be honest, the Rangers were given free hand to deal with the Comanche, Apache, and any other hostile tribes roaming Texas. They were men of their time...good, bad, or otherwise. The Indian tribes practiced a "total warfare" concept. This concept nearly exterminated them. They did give as good as they gave, and many praised their warfare skills in light of their barbarity. No doubt a "crazy" period of time. 👍
@@Ureconstructed You'll find that actual historic facts (of Texas' war with the Comanch),, show that the relentess pursuit, use of Comanche tactics, and a determination to exterminate, both Comanche, Kiowa, and other hostile tribes...was predominantly effected by the Texas Rangers. They were formed in 1823 expresslyfor that mission, and successfully conducted it until the mid-late 1870s. The Army was somewhat more successful in their campaign against the Apache. And even that was marginal...in Texas, considering the Apache were home stationed in Arizona and New Mexico (where the Army was more focused on them). Additionally, the US Army had the luxury of the Mexican government's assistance with this. Not so with Texas, or with the Comanche.
@@MikeArnold-i5c I’ve studied it extensively. It was the army who defeated them at Palo Duro. The Rangers definitely did their part, but it was the army who put the final nail in the coffin and delivered them their most serious defeats. Thanks though.
You do a really nice job with these videos. I appreciate how you provide good information throughout the videos, and I never feel like you're wasting my time. You present in a very well ordered manner too.
By chance I am currently reading "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S. C. Gwynne which provides much more detail than is limited by time here. Also, it begins at a much earlier date.
Damn bro you killed it today I was starting to slide into a deep depression here at work then I saw this. Keep up the great work. Id love to see somthing on the Missions in California and their relationship to the Indians.
Thank you. Happy to hear I helped you make it through work. What do you know about these missions in California? What would I look up if I wanted to know more?
Love the extended time format. Glad you thought to make a longer vid. This is the sweet spot. You can actually do something else while listening without having to stop to find another vid when the 15/20 minute one runs out. Great story too , as always.
You could be right. The visuals and editing take a ton of time but the value I think is in the story. I bet a ton of people are just listening and a half hour is nice in that way.
Yes, keep these historical videos coming: I am a New Mexico Native, and it very heart warming to hear our history: especially since I know this stacked plain well 👍🏽
I grew up in Midland and went to Texas Tech for 9 years ( undergrad and Medical School) 😂and I learned more about Llano Estacado in your video than I did in all the years I lived there. I believe that you should give an educational lecture at Texas Tech because we folks on the high plains would love it! Just found your site tonight and will be watching all your videos from now on!
Wow! What an awesome early Christmas gift! So much detail packed into 30 minutes. The Comanche implored some pretty smart tactics. And that cold norther almost seemed as if a prayer had been answered by the Comanche.
There are a few events in history I can think of that for a certain party it must have felt like divine intervention. When the Mongols tried to invade Japan and their ships got destroyed by a storm. D-Day when the fog concealed Allied Approach. My favorite is the battle of New York in the Revolution where the fog concealed Washington’s escape. If not for weather the bulk of the army likely would have been captured and the war could have been over in 1776. Another thing about the Comanche and the Norther in this story is that when the Army bedded down for the night they didn’t. Their women, children, and elderly kept moving through the night in abysmal conditions. What a tough people.
@@datesanddeadguys there's a nice book of "historical fiction" on my people called Winter of the Metal People. Give it a read, I think you'll enjoy it. Merry Christmas!
@ibestrokin It sounds interesting. The description mentions it is written from the Pueblo perspective. That is something I really struggle with in these videos. I want to be as balanced as possible but find sourcing is so much more available from the side of the U.S. In this story for example, I decided to just focus on Lt. Carter’s perspective but I would love to be able to tell more stories from alternative points of view.
@@datesanddeadguys yes. And to find a non Tiwa perspective on this event you would have to source Spanish accounts. To the best of my knowledge, they pretty much align with that of our Tiwa ancestors.
McKenzie probably knew that If he pursued in the storm, the braves would flee leaving the village. I imagine that is why Parker set up the ambush so close to his encampment. He knew that the military could never catch the warriors unencumbered from the village. Interesting stuff.
As a Kansas kid that grew up on the eastern edge of the High Plains, I approve entirely the description of this area. Even today, no one lives here. I pity people who don't understand this world trying to come here to hunt someone down.
@@CaptainSeamus politics. Also it was a case of trying to stop the Comanche raids. Had they left the Buffalo herds alone and kept settlers out of common and share? They might follow themselves in a situation with they could negotiate an open up trade routes with the Comanche as supposed to, getting into a scrap with them. Which clear the US government did not have it all its own way. If you look at the Comanche, there’s a lot of parallels which evolved independently but a lot better on symbol lines other nomads horse people across the planet
Great story. I went to HS in the late 60's. And received an excellent education. Our US History classes never mentioned the Comanches or any of these serious engagements. Thank you for a bit of history.
The high plains wasn't the last area to be " tamed" that would be the desert southwest from Mexico up to Utah,where a raid by Utes and Paiutes was reported in THE 1920S
I grew up and still live but a few miles from there. I drive thru Blanco Canyon very often…never without thinking about this battle and the bravery of Mackenzie and his men. Great video. Thank you!
Sitting in our little farm here in Normandy(France,) your stories take me back to the love of American Western History, my father loved so much telling us about...richard rider
cmon like 5 guys against over a 100 “Injuns” 😂 with rifles and bows wouldn’t last 5 seconds. i don’t care how “rapid” your fire is even the most basic mammal instinctively encircles and destroys… those guys would have been dead and flanked within seconds. like they even unmounted? And if they were led into a trap in the hills why would a culture experiencing constant warfare for eons be dumb enough to be so far away on each flank to not even be able to get a shot off on a small group of men. 5-15 men is tiny! Or if we listen to how they told the tale they ambushed the men by appearing directly in front of them very very far away😂. like cmon 🤠 well never know what really happened but we can ponder a much more realistic scenario with far less natives. also those bows can hit from 150 yards so that story is all the more a crazy tale
Yes, definitely! More videos on the outcome of the Comanche on the Texas frontier. Great videos I have watched every video I can get my hands on. You do a very good presentation, well thought out and researched. Thank you very much for your efforts and success. I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas. 0:010:01
Hi from Fife 🏴, looking forward to this, I'm obsessed with hearing comanches stories, I'd love to come over the pond to see where these awesome warriors faught with the rangers, buffalo hunters & tonkawas etc, it would be a dream trip, I read empire of the summer moon a long time ago and have wanted to come to texas since, oh plus lonesome dove series helped too lol, cheers
Don’t you mean the “Kingdom of Fife”? My wife and I spent about a week there in the Neuk of Fife last May Come visit Texas, you will enjoy it (as long as you are not in the big cities or in August)
@@Hellbillyhok Have a look at that history of the Scottish marches, the families on both sides of the border did a lot of thieving pillaging and burning down of property and cleaning land for themselves. It was literally a warzone at times.
You been doing a great job on all your video's through the years. Yes, you can make another detailed video of Comanche's. And Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. All great video' s and I know you put in some long hours putting them together. Thank You and Take care.
I have a degree in history from Ohio State and am an amateur archaeologist with a couple published articles in the Ohio Archaeologist, the quarterly journal of The Archaeological Society of Ohio. I thoroughly enjoyed your video. Well researched and very nicely presented! Thank you for sharing your work. 🫡 Semper Fi
I'm English but this video was excellent 👌 the soldiers fighting these people were really really tough guys..the Comanche were excellent guerilla fighters..it took a lot of balls to go up against them.
Living in Oklahoma on the edge of the Comancheria, I love hearing stories about the Indian wars. I’ve been down to see Quanna Parker‘s house near Fort sill, but it is in terrible shape.
It always puzzled me that they would leave their arrows behind. Unless it was to increase the psychological effect it would have on someone finding the bodies, IF they were found. I'd rather not have to make new arrows.
Well Damn. I have really been enjoying your videos. I know it means nothing to you at all that I have a problem with this one. Some people pay for ad free youtube. So when you stick a commercial in the lead of this one in truly disappoints.
We have to understand that the Comanche were only fighting for what was theirs since way longer than the USA has been a nation, yes it was brutal and both sides committed atrocities, so let's take a moment and ponder and meditate on how we do have a nation today built by the blood of so many people, and that deserves our respect, not to be venerated but respected.
One of my college friends (1980's) originated from survivors of a German settler's wagon train attacked in the early 1850's in Northern Texas by the Comanches. They were mostly refugees from the 1848 German Revolution. They didn't want to settle in Texas like many of the "Forty Eighters", but in California (probably wanted to get in on the California Gold Rush.). They didn't make it out of Northern Texas while heading north to the California trail at Fort Hall in Idaho and most family members were killed or captured in a single attack or series of attacks (history is a little vague as the survivors were all mostly pre-teens). From what we do know, three kids and a hired escort survived due to the kids wandering off during a prolonged stay due to disease (probably Typhoid according to his family history.). They escaped and the kids were eventually adopted by other German families in Central Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth area where his family has been residing since the 1870's.
Great video. I know youre more into the apaches and comanches on this channel but id love an eposode on the Lakotas (Sioux) we were the powerhouse of the Northern plains. Everyone else was subject to or became subject to us. Also we have one account of Comanches raiding a Sioux village and taking a boys friend who years later attacked and wiped out a comanche village killing his friend in the process and taking his daughter. He didnt know that was his friend was still alive and had been takin by the comanches and raised by them
If you have any more information on that story for me to look into I would love to. I love the Lakota. I did a video a while ago on how Crazy Horse earned his name. Their conflicts with the Crow are super intense. What an awesome people.
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What ever happened to the cowardly Hale and his 5 men? Were soldiers not usually hanged for desertion - especially while an active battle/skirmish is ensuing?
Mackenzie asked Lt. Carter about the incident. Carter was reluctant to ruin Heyl’s career and refused to say anything other than that Shetland and his men had made an error. Heyl continued to serve. He is buried in Arlington cemetery. His gravestone lists the military campaigns he served on. This one isn’t on the list. Perhaps a nod to his shame.
Great story, unfortunately the Indians didn't have the technology to counter, as happened in Australia, Africa and everywhere else there was indigenous people.
I have a new upload today. I appreciate it. I have been bogged down with this class I have to take for work but hopefully the uploads will be picking back up.
Man i was smoking a joint watching a video of Honey badgers vs Lions and up came one of your videos and I've been hooked, subscribed and all ever since 👍🏿👍🏿😎 love your work.
I think, in addition to improved tech, another factor that gave an edge to whites in fighting the Comanche was that in the Civil War, on the Missouri-Kansas border, developed a fighting style that was very indigenous----fighting mounted most of the time, cold camping, using mobility to avoid detection etc A bunch of these "border ruffians" began wintering in Texas during the war and fled to Texas after the war.... and the Texas Rangers adopted many of the plains warriors methods to great success
Who said "Never expect, what you dont inspect" .. Oh im learned that in bootcamp ..lol ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS .. what was is like crossing the Mississippi, wasnt people afraid much less the river?
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The presenter is blessed with a fine voice and is a first rate raconteur. His prose is intelligent, colourful and dramatic. He chooses his words carefully, and that is very, very difficult to get right. He is aware of the rules and methodologies which govern the professional pursuits of history and anthropology. And while his stories follow traditional American historiography, he does make a case for trying to understand the cultures and motivations of the indigenous tribes whose history he is exploring.
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So, . . . Mr. Dates and Dead guys.....the question is what do YOU think of the longer format ?
Do you think it is something you will continue to do ?
Just wondering what to expect.
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I wish with my whole heart the natives would have won the earth wouldn't be destroyed by geed, ignorance and prejudice!!!!!
I’m amazed that settlers were courageous enough to go west, and that any of them survived at all.
Courageously occupying someone else's land
@pobinr natives courageously raided and tortured their captives. I guess you didn't pay attention enough to this channel's videos because this time period wasn't great for both sides, and we should be glad it's over with.
No one has a blood feud unless they're delusional enough to believe that.
@@pobinr Travelling through hostile territory makes it even more courageous. They were just normal people. Blame the US Government for telling people to go. A lot of pioneers weren't aware the land was inhabited and would be fought over, particularly new immigrants from Europe, the Government conveniently neglected to mention that, Nothing is black and white.
@@theprancingrat you're delusional enough to think they weren't being ethnically cleansed.
They were brave warriors of the USA Tribe! They capture territory but without the blood and gore. They were much braver than a bunch of boys with paint on their faces.
Great stories, perfect for bedtime listening! They remind me of my high school history teacher who taught it in soap opera format, cliffhangers included! We couldn’t wait for the next class to find out what happened next! Great job, I look forward to more! You have a storytelling gift.
Awesome. This is definitely your calling. Please expand further.
Engaging video, apparently well researched and nicely narrated. I would make two minor points, but details count: 1) there is no such thing as a "Congressional Medal of Honor"-- the Medal of Honor is awarded by the President, not the Congress. 2) "...what they had came to do" is bad grammar-- "had come" is correct.
Both of these points are technically correct.
You know the Comanche were tough by how the Apache were so sick of being attacked and raided they moved to the Arizona desert mountains to get away from them.
Your right, the Apaches did not originate in the deserts and mountains of Arizona and New Mexico. The Commanches pushed them out of their own territory. Loved this video...very well presented, thks you. Lou from Arizona 😎
That's always been my question, if the US were to give land back to Native American tribes, who gets the Apache's original homeland? Do they only get the desert? Do Comanches get their ancestral lands they lived in before they discovered horses & moved south into the Great Plains? A lot would ride on the decision because there were several regions & time periods tribes were constantly kicking each other out of different areas. It would quickly get really complicated.
My understanding was, the Apache were originally the dominant aggressor, until the Comanche gained horses?
That’s generally accurate. At least on the plains.
@@meeek21 the Comanche were a run of the mill outsider tribe until they found mustangs and learned to breed them. Changed everything. Like the Mongols before they found horses.
I live NE of Blanco Canyon, smack dab in the middle of Comancheria. Even today this part of the Country will still kill those unprepared to deal with the extremes. Very well done video!
@@johnsonandsons4 it does make you wonder why the bloody hell the American settlers would want to go in there in the first place. Also, what the hell were the army doing not ensuring that they had some defences when they came at night.
These are the stories of the West. These are why Westerners will never die. If you've seen the country, you know that conquering courage doesn't rest.
I'm from another place, Australia... and the American frontier of the 1800's is something that sounds so strange (to me). Thanks for explaining it dramatically and so well.
I am doing my best. Thanks for watching.
The aussie story's of old are pretty cool too, I like the old Bush ranger tales etc there's been some good films in the last few years
Can you name those films @@Hellbillyhok?
Mad Dog Morgan
@@p382742937423y4 Ned Kelly
As a member of the Kwahadi band, Thank you!. I have to say this about Kwana. There were more than one person that was considered "chief'. more as an Elder. and as far as I know we never surrendered to anyone. My family was at Adobe Walls and my cousins are the Ishate(the medicine man that essentially told the Kwahadi to raid Adobe Walls,on that horrific night)... Love this video and Ura(Thanks).
Did the Comanche dip their arrowheads in poison? Some sort of bile like the Lakota did?
I do not think that those bows they used were capable of reaching 60 yds accurately.
Let's find out!
You not indian yr 200% caucssian
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I have lived in this area all my life. The descriptions of the land and weather are accurate. Quanah Parker was indeed a powerful leader. In fact, there is a town named after him here. I really enjoy your videos! Thanks.
I really want to experience a high plains blizzard. I have read account of people getting lost between their house and barn because the wind and snow destroy visibility so much.
My daughter and I listen to your channel on our commute to and from ballet!
Thank you for helping to ignite her passion for history!
This is awesome. I’m happy you both enjoy it. Some of my favorite memories of my Grandfather were of chats like that of things we would listen to on the way to boy scouts.
@@datesanddeadguys❤ what a great generation 💪💪
Good combination.
Thank you for the factual presentation with no fluff.
Yes! More! Your presentations are masterful, engrossing, absolutely superb.
I’ve lived in Lubbock, in the heart of the Llano Estacado, for more than 30 years and have experienced the weather you describe in this video. I find your descriptions of the terrain and climate to be quite accurate. The Llano Estacado and the great escarpment we know as the Caprock must be experienced to truly understand, but your descriptions come very close to understanding. I’ve also read and heard about the Battle of Blanco Canyon and Quanah Parker for many years, but never saw the kind of details you’ve shown me today, when we are having one of the wind storms you mentioned: no sleet or snow today, but I’ve seen and experienced those. Wonderful video! Thank you.
BTW, another of your videos described the raid on the Parkers when Cynthia Ann Parker was captured by the Comanche. I had never known she had an older sister who was also taken. Again, thank you for your great storytelling.
@edsears8647 have you had a chance to read Empire of the Summer Moon? It describes the life of Quanah and how Cynthia Ann came to be his mother. It also describes in detail the terrain of the Estacado.
Lubbock Texas is that where buddy holly was born
@@bmoran1795 Yep, home of Buddy Holly. He's buried in the Lubbock Cemetery.
I’m from Lubbock too, the wind would drive me crazy! But the thunderstorms and sky were amazing. I live further north now and I miss the intensity of the sun.
Lived about 20 years in Lubbock and Crosbyton, crazy weather,March and April sand storms, summer hailstorms and tornados till October, and the coldest winters I have ever lived through. You had to be though to survive there in the 1800's.
Yes would love to to see you make more detailed videos about the Comanche's being battled and forced to reservations
Definitely.
They never were forced to reservations.
Nor signed a treaty ❤
Hahaha! im not holding my breath
I guarantee that, let alone a few Rangers - maybe besides Sioux, not a single nation’s force would be the end all be all for Comanche. Remember the U.S., Mexican, French, Spanish (all who brought sickness and decimated nearly half the tribe) - in addition to enemy tribes such as Osage, Cheyenne, and Apache, were all vying for the opposition and position.
There is a story from 1835, US government dragoon expedition led by Col. H. Dodge went on campaign directly into Comancheria to demonstrate military prowess or muscle, to be humbled.
Mid June as the military were overcoming the hills, they saw a camp of a Comanche band, and halted in awe upon sight of their camp, completely intimidated. Struck in fear, it came back to them when a 2 rowed line of warriors broke into full gallop war crying and whooping towards the fully armed US, in a disciplined demonstration of their own. Upon going in and out, the Comanche who left their arms behind, and no war dress, looked the soldiers with no fear much less expression.
As George Gatlin recalls to the everlasting credit of the Comanche we were to be welcomed in by the warriors wanting to trade and receive gifts from the humbled US military.
Your quote, to think that, is blatant ignorance. If you knew the numbers on Comanche warpath - you’d understand.
I grew up in Clarendon TX, I have Pueblo and Jicarilla Apache from my dad’s side.
Throughout Texas mostly, that is why you see some trees that are seemingly grown parallel to the ground.
These are called Comanche marker trees they would tie down a young tree and as it grew that way - would be land markers for them.
Other tribes did the same thing on the east coast
Fascinating.
Thanks for sharing!
That is really cool! Is that just in the high plains or is it something across Comancheria?
@@LandonBell11most notably in Texas. Though they came from northern US, most early European Comanche accounts start around San Luis Valley Colorado and through Santa Fe, onward to Texas where they settled.
In Texas as they ventured through vast territory barren of trees such as Llano Estacado, they needed a familiar marker.
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So were there any marking carved into the trees to give information or was it just marker trees to point out the direction of water or some other resource?
The Army had very little success in ridding Texas of the Comanche. Mainly due to their inability to deviate from the European method(s) of warfare. The rare instances of their success against the Comanche were by surprise and overwhelming force. "Surprise" was mostly luck. "Overwhelming force" was entirely predicated on logistical advantage ("shaky" at best in that era). The Texas Rangers were tasked to eliminate the Comanche from Texas, and they were the deciding party to affecting that. They were not constrained by bureaucracy, red tape, and ineffective tactics. They fought the Comanche in the same n=manner the Comanche fought. Something Quanah Parker realized soon enough to save his people from total extinction...that was the intent of the Rangers and the Texas government. Blanco Canyon was the glaring example of the US Governments inability to address the Comanche. My ancestors had extensive issues with this tribe (Richard Coffee) Excellent presentation on the Blanco Canyon fiasco. Look forward to more.
I would love to look more into the original Texas rangers. They were legitimate cowboys. Their life expectancy was crazy low, they answered for very little. A absolute wild bunch of people in a crazy time in history.
@@datesanddeadguysMany of the early Ranger's backgrounds varied, and their life expectancy was understandably low due to "learning the ropes". They quickly adapted to the Comanche way of thought and warfare (a "total warfare" concept that western armies do not ascribe to...even today) (various tribes were enemies of the Comanche and greatly helped the Rangers in their efforts). To be honest, the Rangers were given free hand to deal with the Comanche, Apache, and any other hostile tribes roaming Texas. They were men of their time...good, bad, or otherwise. The Indian tribes practiced a "total warfare" concept. This concept nearly exterminated them. They did give as good as they gave, and many praised their warfare skills in light of their barbarity. No doubt a "crazy" period of time. 👍
The army had total success, seeing as how they won, and the Comanches no longer rule the plains.
@@Ureconstructed You'll find that actual historic facts (of Texas' war with the Comanch),, show that the relentess pursuit, use of Comanche tactics, and a determination to exterminate, both Comanche, Kiowa, and other hostile tribes...was predominantly effected by the Texas Rangers. They were formed in 1823 expresslyfor that mission, and successfully conducted it until the mid-late 1870s. The Army was somewhat more successful in their campaign against the Apache. And even that was marginal...in Texas, considering the Apache were home stationed in Arizona and New Mexico (where the Army was more focused on them). Additionally, the US Army had the luxury of the Mexican government's assistance with this. Not so with Texas, or with the Comanche.
@@MikeArnold-i5c I’ve studied it extensively. It was the army who defeated them at Palo Duro. The Rangers definitely did their part, but it was the army who put the final nail in the coffin and delivered them their most serious defeats. Thanks though.
You do a really nice job with these videos. I appreciate how you provide good information throughout the videos, and I never feel like you're wasting my time. You present in a very well ordered manner too.
I am happy you like them. I try to keep everything as neat as possible but this one got a little long for sure.
is not long
People have asked for longer videos. Maybe it’s the move.
By chance I am currently reading "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S. C. Gwynne which provides much more detail than is limited by time here. Also, it begins at a much earlier date.
What a narrative style, dry, cold and peppered with hard truths
Damn bro you killed it today
I was starting to slide into a deep depression here at work then I saw this. Keep up the great work. Id love to see somthing on the Missions in California and their relationship to the Indians.
Thank you. Happy to hear I helped you make it through work. What do you know about these missions in California? What would I look up if I wanted to know more?
Love the extended time format.
Glad you thought to make a longer vid.
This is the sweet spot.
You can actually do something else while listening without having to stop to find another vid when the 15/20 minute one runs out.
Great story too , as always.
You could be right. The visuals and editing take a ton of time but the value I think is in the story. I bet a ton of people are just listening and a half hour is nice in that way.
Watching this one again . Man i love your story telling and topics way u deliver it can almost picture it keep it up buddy 👍
Yes, keep these historical videos coming: I am a New Mexico Native, and it very heart warming to hear our history: especially since I know this stacked plain well 👍🏽
I grew up in Midland and went to Texas Tech for 9 years ( undergrad and Medical School) 😂and I learned more about Llano Estacado in your video than I did in all the years I lived there. I believe that you should give an educational lecture at Texas Tech because we folks on the high plains would love it! Just found your site tonight and will be watching all your videos from now on!
Excellent historical video with awesome narration! Count me in! 😎
You do an excellent job of explaining the circumstances as well as reinforcing the extenuating circumstances. You are appreciated, sir 👊❤️🇺🇸
Wow! What an awesome early Christmas gift! So much detail packed into 30 minutes. The Comanche implored some pretty smart tactics. And that cold norther almost seemed as if a prayer had been answered by the Comanche.
There are a few events in history I can think of that for a certain party it must have felt like divine intervention. When the Mongols tried to invade Japan and their ships got destroyed by a storm. D-Day when the fog concealed Allied Approach. My favorite is the battle of New York in the Revolution where the fog concealed Washington’s escape. If not for weather the bulk of the army likely would have been captured and the war could have been over in 1776. Another thing about the Comanche and the Norther in this story is that when the Army bedded down for the night they didn’t. Their women, children, and elderly kept moving through the night in abysmal conditions. What a tough people.
@@datesanddeadguys there's a nice book of "historical fiction" on my people called Winter of the Metal People. Give it a read, I think you'll enjoy it.
Merry Christmas!
@ibestrokin It sounds interesting. The description mentions it is written from the Pueblo perspective. That is something I really struggle with in these videos. I want to be as balanced as possible but find sourcing is so much more available from the side of the U.S. In this story for example, I decided to just focus on Lt. Carter’s perspective but I would love to be able to tell more stories from alternative points of view.
@@datesanddeadguys yes. And to find a non Tiwa perspective on this event you would have to source Spanish accounts. To the best of my knowledge, they pretty much align with that of our Tiwa ancestors.
McKenzie probably knew that If he pursued in the storm, the braves would flee leaving the village. I imagine that is why Parker set up the ambush so close to his encampment. He knew that the military could never catch the warriors unencumbered from the village. Interesting stuff.
As a Kansas kid that grew up on the eastern edge of the High Plains, I approve entirely the description of this area. Even today, no one lives here. I pity people who don't understand this world trying to come here to hunt someone down.
@@CaptainSeamus politics. Also it was a case of trying to stop the Comanche raids. Had they left the Buffalo herds alone and kept settlers out of common and share? They might follow themselves in a situation with they could negotiate an open up trade routes with the Comanche as supposed to, getting into a scrap with them. Which clear the US government did not have it all its own way. If you look at the Comanche, there’s a lot of parallels which evolved independently but a lot better on symbol lines other nomads horse people across the planet
Great story. I went to HS in the late 60's. And received an excellent education. Our US History classes never mentioned the Comanches or any of these serious engagements. Thank you for a bit of history.
The high plains wasn't the last area to be " tamed" that would be the desert southwest from Mexico up to Utah,where a raid by Utes and Paiutes was reported in THE 1920S
One of my favorite channels ever. Thanks man.
Hopefully it is just getting started. Thanks for watching.
I grew up and still live but a few miles from there. I drive thru Blanco Canyon very often…never without thinking about this battle and the bravery of Mackenzie and his men. Great video. Thank you!
Sitting in our little farm here in Normandy(France,) your stories take me back to the love of American Western History, my father loved so much telling us about...richard rider
Thanks for the great documentary
Well done!
Kiowa; K-eye-oh-wah. Not Kee-oh-wah
Yes! Very interesting history! Thanx!
Is there an issue with your mic? The voice audio quality is rough!
cmon like 5 guys against over a 100 “Injuns” 😂 with rifles and bows wouldn’t last 5 seconds. i don’t care how “rapid” your fire is even the most basic mammal instinctively encircles and destroys… those guys would have been dead and flanked within seconds. like they even unmounted?
And if they were led into a trap in the hills why would a culture experiencing constant warfare for eons be dumb enough to be so far away on each flank to not even be able to get a shot off on a small group of men. 5-15 men is tiny! Or if we listen to how they told the tale they ambushed the men by appearing directly in front of them very very far away😂.
like cmon 🤠 well never know what really happened but we can ponder a much more realistic scenario with far less natives. also those bows can hit from 150 yards so that story is all the more a crazy tale
Yes, definitely! More videos on the outcome of the Comanche on the Texas frontier.
Great videos I have watched every video I can get my hands on.
You do a very good presentation, well thought out and researched. Thank you very much for your efforts and success.
I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas. 0:01 0:01
Hi from Fife 🏴, looking forward to this, I'm obsessed with hearing comanches stories, I'd love to come over the pond to see where these awesome warriors faught with the rangers, buffalo hunters & tonkawas etc, it would be a dream trip, I read empire of the summer moon a long time ago and have wanted to come to texas since, oh plus lonesome dove series helped too lol, cheers
We’re is Fife
@@imurgodsgod Scotland 🏴
Don’t you mean the “Kingdom of Fife”?
My wife and I spent about a week there in the Neuk of Fife last May
Come visit Texas, you will enjoy it (as long as you are not in the big cities or in August)
@@mcgregorpiper once all my kids are up I will mate, cheers
@@Hellbillyhok
Have a look at that history of the Scottish marches, the families on both sides of the border did a lot of thieving pillaging and burning down of property and cleaning land for themselves. It was literally a warzone at times.
This is a great channel. Ive got a lot of "native Texan" in me and these tales talk to me like very little else. Great videos man.
Excellent content man ,would very much enjoy hearing more....thanks 👍
You been doing a great job on all your video's through the years. Yes, you can make another detailed video of Comanche's. And Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. All great video' s and I know you put in some long hours putting them together. Thank You and Take care.
WHATS UP WITH THE SOUND????
Recorded on hamburger phone
@@AKguru762 goddamn just use a laptops voice-recorder if it's gonna turn out this bad
Outstanding job storytelling! I could picture it all happening in my mind.
Yes I would love to see a story about bad hand McKenzie
It’s rude but I wish I could find a picture of his hand.
The Comanche had their own version of Ag1 lol. Much healthier and stronger than the malnourished settlers.
Superb narration. This is the best account I have ever heard.👏🏻
Also it’s pronounced “Kye-oh-wa” no “kia-wa”
-Kiowa tribe member
Do a story on the lost French Man's lost mine Yuma Arizona 😅
Yes I love these stories about our past.
I have a degree in history from Ohio State and am an amateur archaeologist with a couple published articles in the Ohio Archaeologist, the quarterly journal of The Archaeological Society of Ohio. I thoroughly enjoyed your video. Well researched and very nicely presented! Thank you for sharing your work. 🫡 Semper Fi
Greetings from Apacheria in the Arizona Territories ahe'hye'e Josh
I'm English but this video was excellent 👌 the soldiers fighting these people were really really tough guys..the Comanche were excellent guerilla fighters..it took a lot of balls to go up against them.
Living in Oklahoma on the edge of the Comancheria, I love hearing stories about the Indian wars. I’ve been down to see Quanna Parker‘s house near Fort sill, but it is in terrible shape.
It always puzzled me that they would leave their arrows behind. Unless it was to increase the psychological effect it would have on someone finding the bodies, IF they were found.
I'd rather not have to make new arrows.
Are you trying to pronounce Kiowa? If so, its KYowa.
Well Damn. I have really been enjoying your videos. I know it means nothing to you at all that I have a problem with this one. Some people pay for ad free youtube. So when you stick a commercial in the lead of this one in truly disappoints.
We have to understand that the Comanche were only fighting for what was theirs since way longer than the USA has been a nation, yes it was brutal and both sides committed atrocities, so let's take a moment and ponder and meditate on how we do have a nation today built by the blood of so many people, and that deserves our respect, not to be venerated but respected.
You need to research better. Llano Estacado is a high plains borderd by weathered mountain ramparts that look like stakes driven into the plains.
One of my college friends (1980's) originated from survivors of a German settler's wagon train attacked in the early 1850's in Northern Texas by the Comanches. They were mostly refugees from the 1848 German Revolution. They didn't want to settle in Texas like many of the "Forty Eighters", but in California (probably wanted to get in on the California Gold Rush.). They didn't make it out of Northern Texas while heading north to the California trail at Fort Hall in Idaho and most family members were killed or captured in a single attack or series of attacks (history is a little vague as the survivors were all mostly pre-teens). From what we do know, three kids and a hired escort survived due to the kids wandering off during a prolonged stay due to disease (probably Typhoid according to his family history.). They escaped and the kids were eventually adopted by other German families in Central Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth area where his family has been residing since the 1870's.
I’m from this area of Texas, we need more quanah Parker and Mackenzie stories
The answer to defeating these warriors was obvious, but how do you take all the horses permanently?
Your story telling has got me sucked in, love the presentation and artwork.
Glad I stumbled onto your videos. Great work!
Great stuff love your channel! Looking forward to the next one. Ty!
Sound on this video is horrible. Can´t be the only one to Hear it. Good content though.
Another great video! Have a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!
Kiowa like Iowa with a cuh sound at the beginning
Great video. I know youre more into the apaches and comanches on this channel but id love an eposode on the Lakotas (Sioux) we were the powerhouse of the Northern plains. Everyone else was subject to or became subject to us. Also we have one account of Comanches raiding a Sioux village and taking a boys friend who years later attacked and wiped out a comanche village killing his friend in the process and taking his daughter. He didnt know that was his friend was still alive and had been takin by the comanches and raised by them
If you have any more information on that story for me to look into I would love to. I love the Lakota. I did a video a while ago on how Crazy Horse earned his name. Their conflicts with the Crow are super intense. What an awesome people.
@@datesanddeadguys ua-cam.com/video/e9mZK7OT7pY/v-deo.htmlsi=FD7Fn7jXPoJDPEEe
A story I would want to hear? There's not a story I wouldn't want to hear!
What sort of commander leaves horses unguarded, in Comanche country?
Would love to see your historical videos come to Canada. We have great tribes here like the blackfoot,Sioux and Cree. Lots of history to dig into.
Already posted it under the "Apache extermination" video, but also here: congrats on 100,000 subscribers!
Thanks again. Big upgrades coming.
The Comanche invented the first ghillie suit
These are well done. Very well done.
The best presented docs on this material by a crooked mile!! Too bloody right about seeing more! Gripping stuff!
Cheers mate👍🏻
That’s a fun phrase. Thanks for watching!
I love history, so of course I subbed! This channel is Awesome,Very Well done,& the narrator's voice is very captivating! I think anyone that likes North American history will love this channel! Well Done!👍🤔🇺🇲😎🇨🇦
Merry Christmas ⛄🎁⛄ and happy new 🆕
Merry Christmas.
as if settlers fleeing the frontier is a bad thing lol
Yes please tell more about the Comanche ,!!!!!
What ever happened to the cowardly Hale and his 5 men? Were soldiers not usually hanged for desertion - especially while an active battle/skirmish is ensuing?
Mackenzie asked Lt. Carter about the incident. Carter was reluctant to ruin Heyl’s career and refused to say anything other than that Shetland and his men had made an error. Heyl continued to serve. He is buried in Arlington cemetery. His gravestone lists the military campaigns he served on. This one isn’t on the list. Perhaps a nod to his shame.
@@datesanddeadguys thank you very much for the info, man :)
Great story, unfortunately the Indians didn't have the technology to counter, as happened in Australia, Africa and everywhere else there was indigenous people.
Great accounts of this time, thank you.
My new favorite channel!
Hey, where ya been man ? I Miss your storytelling. I Always look forward to your uploads even if they're a story Ive heard already.
I have a new upload today. I appreciate it. I have been bogged down with this class I have to take for work but hopefully the uploads will be picking back up.
Man i was smoking a joint watching a video of Honey badgers vs Lions and up came one of your videos and I've been hooked, subscribed and all ever since 👍🏿👍🏿😎 love your work.
I think, in addition to improved tech, another factor that gave an edge to whites in fighting the Comanche was that in the Civil War, on the Missouri-Kansas border, developed a fighting style that was very indigenous----fighting mounted most of the time, cold camping, using mobility to avoid detection etc
A bunch of these "border ruffians" began wintering in Texas during the war and fled to Texas after the war....
and the Texas Rangers adopted many of the plains warriors methods to great success
Excellent narrative.
yea any video you make i'll watch - these are the stories i wish i were told at bedtime as a child
If you keep watching I’ll keep making them.
Can't stop watching, your story telling skills are so good.
Great channel and greater reading
Who said "Never expect, what you dont inspect" .. Oh im learned that in bootcamp
..lol ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS .. what was is like crossing the Mississippi, wasnt people afraid much less the river?
...where I yell at birds.... 🤣🤣🤣 My family moved to England in 1973. The FIRST morning there was real chipper. It was the BIRDS. I threw open the window and yelled Quiet. It WORKED ...for about 2 minutes.
Great Video… keep um coming 🥶
The presenter is blessed with a fine voice and is a first rate raconteur. His prose is intelligent, colourful and dramatic. He chooses his words carefully, and that is very, very difficult to get right. He is aware of the rules and methodologies which govern the professional pursuits of history and anthropology. And while his stories follow traditional American historiography, he does make a case for trying to understand the cultures and motivations of the indigenous tribes whose history he is exploring.
Very good and interesting! Thank you!
The Apache didn’t just move they were almost wiped out by the Comanche and their allies the tonks , the practicers of canabalism