and then fucking lays down facts which get no rebuttal so the retards jump onto another subject and he equally destroys them, and so on and so forth. He knows his shit, since he can back up his self aggrandisement everyone can just suck it.
DM584 yeah I agree. I do think he's very knowledgable in his field in some aspects however quite naive in others. He also doesn't know how to argue very well, and his stats are off a lot of the time.
I've never understood Reza. For example, why would you claim to have credentials you don't actually have when it takes a minute to fact check something like that? Or perhaps the question should be why don't people care?
Dave, I think Reza Aslan gave a brilliant response to the question raised by your supporter at the conference and clarified his perspective and also indirectly refuted your claims about his views. You should at least acknowledge when he makes a rational point and prove your neutrality and journalism instead of continuous denigrating, even if you don't like the man.
fanzy1338 A rational point was not made, I think you are just one of many million people who believe aslan is always right because of his 'whataboutist' and clearly biased arguments on Islam, purely because he knows trends in the online world and just echoes a bunch of regressive arguments around doesn't mean he argues in good faith egin this video he brings up the fact that women are not 100% equal to men in non Muslim countries, purely a deflection when the fact is women are far less equal in Muslim majority countries where strict adherence to the quran is practiced and in many cases, put into law. But he knows how to maintain a big public profile in the young and/or leftist group, because they focus more on ignoring the intolerance of such societies in the name of tolerance. It's ridiculous. The left needs a detox, and I know as a critical thinker (like pakman) I would still call myself a progressive and left viewed person with or without them, but I'd rather they just stop getting worked up/rational and use reasonable and critical thinking instead of chanting back whatever the sjw media like Junkee, Vice and Buzzfeed imprints in their minds. Same goes for far right loonies consuming info wars and fox news eveyday
This just bums me out. I've always looked up to and admired Reza Aslan. He's obviously a world class intellectual and doesn't need to embellish his credentials. Bill Nye doesn't embellish about his academic career, and it doesn't invalidate his work at all.
you really think Reza was trying to be friendly in this video? He was extremely condescending and passive-aggressive in his response to an effing college student
Having read his book "Zealot" I respect Aslan's intellect. I also would rather believe that he is genuine and not being deliberately deceptive. His problem is his faith. However bright you may be, a religious belief will cloud your perceptions of truth.
he didn't try because he didn't have to, however he could fix the misconceptions about Islam thrown daily by fakey fuck news fox news and CNN, and what about Christianity and Judaism??
"misconceptions" you telling me that FGM, women as 2nd class citizens, slavery, sex slavery, polygamy, child marriages, killing of gays etc. is a "misconceptions"? Islam is the most dangerous ideology in this planet. As an atheist I think that a society that tries to defend it is suicidal
As LAN starts off most arguments by saying "I'm a highly educated person with all sorts of degrees" That's the first sign that someone is about to lie like a douchebag
Baby Beerus -GodOfDestruction lol in that video when he tried to explain burden of proof to that Jesse lee guy, they tried to criticize David for being an "information and facts" guy at the end, as if it was actually a negative trait.. it was epic
I live on the Cape, when I see a husband and wife couple in the heat of the summer , wife is dressed all in black covered totally, and husband in short sleeves. I question her rights and I am sorry when all the women around are in sleeveless garments because it is hot and humid, do you really want me to believe she loves being dressed in black and dying in the heat. Her eyes did not say , oooo I love this.
imo this relies on older episodes for most of context, which you don't provide, these videos need to be fleshed out more or risk sounding self-congratulatory
I don't quite get the reason for this video to made. Are you happy that he listened to your perspective or angry that he won't listen to you (which he has obviously, so that wouldn't make sense)? A lot of supposed independent, free-thinkers claim they just want their voices to be heard yet when they actually are heard, they make 5:17 long youtube videos criticizing them for listening to their opinion. You also made a video saying he "cannot be trusted". While I agree with most of your points, I also think youtube personalities who make videos with audacious clickbait titles like "cannot be trusted" should also not be trusted. It would be great to see you both of you talk it out but check yourself first.
Look how gleeful he is when he makes the David Pakman comment...he just keeps clicking away on that pen lol...that was the point he really wanted to get at the whole time
+TheBrabon1 No. Aslan isn't even half as much of a jerk as Trump. He's annoying, he skirts around certain issues because he refuses to ditch his religious beliefs which he knows in his heart of hearts are built on faulty premises, he is not a great scholar. All that said, you have to dig a hell of a long way to the bottom of the barrel before you get to Trump.
Somalia, Egypt, Kurdistan, Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia, yes, those are all the same tribal regions with similar cultures and the fact that the major school of Islamic Jurisprudence in each of those regions is the Shafi'i madhhab, one that teaches that FGM is mandatory, has nothing to do with anything.
Him saying that doesn't mean he's watched it. Just like Pakman said, people have been tweeting it, ya think maybe some of them have mentioned his name?
Aslan is not a "so-called religious scholar", he IS a religious scholar whether or not you agree with him. In the middle of this defamatory rant, the claim was made that Aslan is ignorant of evidence relating to FGM in central Africa and Indonesian law. Where's the evidence?
I know this post is a year old and I apologize if you no longer care about the topic, but Dave mentioned a 26 minute dissection of Reza Aslan's credentials and claims at the beginning of the video. It is there where Dave goes in depth about Aslan's claims regarding FGM, and I have to say, in my opinion, the evidence and citations provided were pretty damning.
It doesn't necessarily mean he watched your video. He heard of you previously and dismissed you as small time and not worth responding to. His comment to the fellow in the clip when he said that he was watching too much David Packman, was like saying he reads too many tabloids like the Enquirer. Just another take.
I do feel there needs to be a debate between David and Reza Aslan. Reza hardly came off worse in this video. Now that he has acknowledged the show, it feels like he's obligated to do it now.
All the people on the comments don't even have 10% of this man iQ but still open their mouth and thalk shit . We get that people love to hate on successful muslims for no reason
Unfortunate not to have cut Reza's actual comments with what he claims to have said in this video, to show that he is indeed lying to the face of this student. He has applied nuance retroactively to his statements (although the nuance doesn't really redeem them much). Anyways, would have appreciated a little more editing on this point, as was done in the video he references.
I like David's show, but you have to give credit where credit is due, Reza Aslan is an outstanding scholar in religion, I've read most of his books, and they reflect "to me" an interesting point of view on faith, being atheist in a religious family has not been easy in my case, but Reza has shaped my tolerance to accept others in a theological matter, although I cannot defend everything he has said in his carreer, but neither can I do for David, I've watch his show for over a year and sometimes I have to stop the video and check the truthness of some of his claims.
I noticed how obviously on edge and irritated Aslan is. It’s like he’s either been asked this A LOT since the video or he just has pre-set answers to this line of questioning and was impatient because he knew how he was going to answer.
1 Corinthians 11:5 (Response) "And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head - it is just as though her head were shaved." That is Bible quote promoting the hijab. I guess Islam and Christianity aren't too different at all.
Except the whole thing in Christianity about not overthrowing secular governments. There's that, so, you're wrong. Nice try though, very good Googling. Bravo.
There's also huge differences. We hear about how in Muslim or Islamic countries women have practically NO VALUE. The husband can beat,abuse and rape them and women are never really protected. However the bible is very specific in how women need to be respected and treated fairly. for example: 1. How to treat pregnant women Exodus 21:22 2. Women can own buissiness Proverbs 31:24 3. Mothers deserve respect just as father's Exodus 20:12 4. Women had a right to their fathers inheritance Numbers 27: 6-8 5. Rape not tolerated Deutoronomy 22:25-26 This is just few of many examples of how God expected men to treat women. but the truth is not just because someone claims their christian or even a religious person means they follow what the bible says but it's in the Bible regardless.
I'd like to comment on something very specific you said in this video. "I may disagree on the facts and that's where we generate worthwhile discussion". Isn't that worth nuancing more. I think one of the biggest problems today is disagreeing about facts. the discussion to clear up facts is ludicrous, petty, childish, and only a necessary step to get to start on the worthwhile discussion, which is the difference on opinion about the established facts. In an ideal world without liars and stupidity, facts would just be a given at the start of a good debate. I may have misinterpreted your intentions here but I do believe this is worth stating
If you look at the data, it's pretty clear Reza Aslan is correct about FGM being largely a Central African problem. It's nowhere near as common in the Muslim world outside of Africa. In Africa, it's practiced in countries that aren't majority-Muslim.
David pakman its nice to know that Reza aslan is welcomed on your show ,and if he does accept a debate ,before he enters the studio pat him down ,he might be strapped with explosives
I'm sure I'll get hate for this here but I actually like Reza Aslan (and David). Sure, you can make an argument about his mistatement of his sociology degree, but he is no doubt a highly educated and thoughtful person and I think he has brought a lot of discussion to the table about Islam overall. I really can't hate on the guy. The unfortunate thing with the original expose is that it elicited a hateful backlash rather than a nuanced discussion even though the video itself was totally reasonable. is Reza Aslan we really should be spending our time going after? It just seems hateful and unneeded.
"In Indonesia Women have equal rights by law, just like America. But clearly they don't have them in reality, just like in America" Did he compare the status of women in Indonesia, saying they were basically just like America? ffs
thank you. as a middle-aged black man, i enjoy your news. you use facts. you have secular values and you even show it when in a debate with someone who oppose your perspective of a situation.
He didnt say anything bad or trying to ditch the person. The person asking question is not qualified to even engage in a conversation with a scholar like Mr. Reza Aslan, that is why he wrapped it up.
I do not believe Reza is trying to hurt anybody, I think he wants to do the right thing as he sees it, but I do think he is dishonest with himself about the facts
Zucchina No he lies about people and knows he is lying. Sam Harris debated him and clearly won by any standerd. He then lied and started callimg Sam racist. The fact that he covers for fgm rather than call it out vigorously. Makes him aweful
Wilful ignorance? Perhaps. However, from this exchange with this particular student, he seemed to make a lot of effort to make his words fit the facts. So it's quite possible he was unaware at the time of the CNN-interview that FGM is quite prevalent in the Gulf Countries and has been brought all the way to Malaysia and Indonesia by islamic puritans and fundamentalists; and is now trying to save face. Now if his point had been that FGM didn't originate from Islam, and that it is predominant in Africa regardless of religion, and that many Muslims don't practige female circumcision, so that one shouldn't equate FGM with 'Islam', fair enough. But he should at least be knowledgeable and honest enough to note that Islamic orthodoxy - although by far not exclusively or originally an Islamic problem - has made FGM a problem within Islam, and Islamic theologians should put more effort in to critically think through it's theological credentials. For instance, up until the mid-nineties, Al Azhar used to recommend female circumcision as an Islamic tradition, until even people like Yusuf al-Qaradawi were confronted with a slew of medical evidence that 'circumcision' was habitually practiced in a way which was detrimental to women's health. It's quite possible that the advent of the internet and the accessiblity of information and connectivity between people has something to do with this. Information is not only more readily available, but it spreads more easily. So by 2005 they started changing their tune and re-examine the traditional theological arguments for female circumcision. So at least these Islamic scholars seem to think it is an issue within Islamic theology which deserves attention and critical examination. And these are scholars we would consider to be fundamentalists. So if these fundamentalists seem to think female circumcision and FGM are pressing issues within Islam/Islamic theology, how can any scholar of Islam pretend it's hardly an issue within Islam? So either Reza Aslan is disengenuous or ignorant of the facts available, or a little bit of both.
Watching Aslan's appalling program on CNN makes it pretty clear that his putative "scholar" is not only a shameless apologist for Islam but is also open to embracing all sorts of barking mad religious lunacy. It seems to be a peculiarly "liberal" sort of ecumenical idiocy.
In fairness to Aslan, you titled the video "Reza Aslan Cannot Be Trusted", not "Reza Aslan might be wrong about a specific issue but he's a good guy". The title of your video is a very broad attack on his credibility and integrity.
well Aslan brings a large element of common sense to the table regarding Islam...and common sense in this day and age IS controversial. I'll sum it up Aslan says that Islam is very diverse and that there are many sects within Islam whose beliefs and practices are diverse. Most are harmless some are extremists Aslan states that Muslims cherry pick the info within the Koran and do NOT follow it to the letter - again this is logical as there are so many contradictory things within religious texts that it would be impossible to follow everything written Aslan states that the extremism in Islam is a problem WITHIN Islam itself and is basically a localised problem in the Middle East
but it is true.. In indonesia, FGM happen BEFORE even it is Muslims majority.. In the past, indonesia was hindu kingdoms and then buddhist kingdoms, and FGM was also practiced at that time... So it is more like cultural rather than religious..
David I've been a fan of the show for years now and I agree w most of your views as a progressive; I also took a class taught by dr.aslan before I graduated. I have to say your assertion about Aslan is inaccurate or misleading. I think he is very knowledgeable about issues he talks about and definitely can be trusted to present the best evidence to his knowledge on religious topics.
That video was kinda of rip-off of another video already in UA-cam. I do prefer yours, I think you added a few nuances, but you should have referred the original video. Since they are 90% the same
Knowing little to nothing about the man before watching David's expose' on him, I am now of the mind that everything Aslan says is subject to scrutiny, which is as it should be for someone who takes so many liberties with his credentials. Only that CNN would give him his own show lends itself to Trump's claim that CNN is "fake news." But I would argue, Benjamin, that you are watching too much Reza Aslan, and not enough of The DP Show...
Honestly, I see no major fault here. Reza's ego does play a role, but not in a condecending way toward Mr. Pakman. There does seem to be some healthy professional rivalry, which in my mind, is a good thing.
why you give it so much importance, if he thinks you dont deserve the chance to be in an argument with him. that is his opinion about your show. im not in a side of anyone, but it shows that you want to prove that you have a point deserves to get some attention by such a person(expert) as Reza. in addition, when he says you watch too much batman, that is just supposed to prove his opinion that your show may not worth it to give it that much awareness. personal opinion. and i think at least your show is good and civil, unlike these shouting human beings that they think they always be right about what ever the fuck they think of. great show keep it up.
I think David Parkman is much closer to Jordan Peterson than he thinks he is. Both consider themselves to be liberals but also want to reel in excesses on the left, especially radical dogmatism and dangerous pseudointellectualism. On the other hand they take very different approaches to it, and while both are intelligent they have clear that colour their critique with inconsistencies (like how Peterson can be unnecessarily harsh on the left for things the right is similarly or equally guilty of, and the reverse in Parkman's case). I think it would be really interesting for them to have a debate, especially if it was hosted by someone relatively neutral as a moderator.
Aslan is right about Indonesia and Malaysia, though. They are predominantly Muslim but there is no legal discrimination of women there, and far more women at the top of professions, politics, government admin and business than there are in the United States.
WRONG. You do not even know the difference between a fertility test and a virginity test. You are therefore proven to be an extremely stupid and ignorant person. Did you drop out of school early? Some overzealous recruiters demanded these tests but they are being reviewed and banned due to protests. I need not point out that many, including Western, countries got rid of outdated discriminatory laws after protests and progressive movements. This kind of law has more to do with patriarchy than anything else. And military/policemen are more patriarchal and macho than most. So go away, chylla you stupid liar.
so resa's logic is that the law in america has men and women as equal, but the country "doesn't actually treat women as equal", and then so he lords indonisia over the rest of the world because it also has men and women as legally equal, when thats not unique. and doesnt mean at all that women are treated the same which is the point he made about america. and he is completely wrong to make that statement when the VAST majority of women in Indonesia suffer from fgm. but they are equal under the law? go fuck yourself
malaysia is officially a muslim country. they even have a law-mandated extended lunch hour on fridays, to pray. if you go there you will see a LOT of women with those wrestler-like "masks", covered from head to toe.....DRAGGING their husbands in stores to buy the stuff they(the women) want. you will also see old indian women in their traditional clothes...with their gut hanging out....it's not pleasant but they do have that freedom. it seems like the subjugation of women is more of a cultural thing than a religious thing... i do not know the ratio of male and female genital mutilations there. didnt look it up...
+anti no. not kidding at all. what part of what i said do you think is incorrect? i dont know if "sharia law" is cultural or not. and i dont care. it's a religious law system, and my constitution is explicit in the separation of government and religion.
Well played sir, but when I meant acknowledge I should have added and bow down before Pakman and lick his nads because you are a fraud and a cultural relativism douche. Thank you for pointing this out. Very much appreciated. :)
Ryan, you and Pakman seem just about as intelligent as one another, this explains why he gets any views with these clips of his monotonously delivered retarded points of view.
I generally agree with you David, but if your position is that the facts aren’t exactly as Resa Aslan has been stating them, Why would you choose the provocative title of ‘resa Aslan can’t be trusted’. Sounds like a hit piece to me.
Why did you cut to the part where he says your name and completely ignore whatever arguments he had against the student asking him. I'm glad you feel happy that someone more famous than you mentioned your name, but I'd like to see you counter the arguments made by reza instead of this ego stroking.
although I disagree with Reza Aslan's views, I think attacking someone based on their credentials is annoying. It's as annoying as Reza claiming to be a religious scholar but i wish people would just argue based on the merits of their argument. Discrediting someone based on their credentials is the equivalent to a personal attack rather than a genuine rebuttal of views.
"As far as we knew, he hadn't watched it."??lol. Oh please, don't give him that much credit; he gives himself more than enough, already! He had to know it was only a matter of time B4 someone did some fact-checking, &called him on his BS &dishonest credentials (although, apparently, mainstream media couldn't be bothered to fact-check this Bozo).
So basically you guys made an entire video to tell your audience that: "OMG Reza Aslan mentioned us!!" I must say that that doesn't really speak for your professionalism, journalistic standards nor for your general self esteem. It clearly made money though seeing as almost a 100.000 people watched it. I would like my 5 minutes back please.
I like Reza and he seems to generate interesting dialogue and I frankly don’t care how he spins his degrees because taking that path usually has a shelf life and flares out...I’d suggest to reach over him instead of going for him. This feels a little underhanded, hannityish, tuckery fuckery...hope you get him on the show..
Of course these two guys are going to invite Reza Aslan to the show; his celebrity-status is great for getting more viewers. Say what you will about Aslan, he made a name for himself with his supposed expertise. On the other hand, this is the first time I even heard of David Pakman. Fame isn't everything, but getting publicity by criticizing someone who is famous seems like a low route to take.
Such balony, since when is being famous some pedestal which lifts one above any critique lol .. Reza is a shameless con artist pulling degrees and facts out of thin air for all to see ..he needs to be exposed and ridiculed for the phony he is, simple.
Dont feel bad for Reza. He's a conman, like most religious apologists.
Reza Aslan essentially responds to every argument with "uh dude I have a degree".
and then fucking lays down facts which get no rebuttal so the retards jump onto another subject and he equally destroys them, and so on and so forth.
He knows his shit, since he can back up his self aggrandisement everyone can just suck it.
only in this case, it's Reza who didn't have any response to facts laid out by David.
Bawar Saeed facts? What facts?
DM584 didn't his credentials turn out to be bs anyway?
DM584 yeah I agree. I do think he's very knowledgable in his field in some aspects however quite naive in others. He also doesn't know how to argue very well, and his stats are off a lot of the time.
Reza is the perfect example of how someone smart is actually stupid.
No, he's just an example of a stupid person being perceived as smart by even more stupid people.
It's ideologically induced stupidity.
Eh... I think Ben Carson is the best example of that, but Reza is definitely high on the scale.
Lipzig Schweitzer And Jordan Peterson.
I think he's just an entertaining, smart and dishonest personality. I think you might be mistaking his dishonesty for stupidity.
"nowhere in the world are women equal to men, especially here in the United States"
Especially??? Yeah FGM is a HUGE problem here lol
Unfortunately, I agree with 90% of everything Reza had to say in that segment and I hated his guts for a long time.
I've never understood Reza.
For example, why would you claim to have credentials you don't actually have when it takes a minute to fact check something like that?
Or perhaps the question should be why don't people care?
David, you are a true journalist. Some people have trouble engaging on that level.
It's impossible to watch TOO much David Pakman...
So Rezla decided not to refute the argument and resulted to ad hominem, cool.
"...especially here in the united states...." just gtfo lol
Dave, I think Reza Aslan gave a brilliant response to the question raised by your supporter at the conference and clarified his perspective and also indirectly refuted your claims about his views. You should at least acknowledge when he makes a rational point and prove your neutrality and journalism instead of continuous denigrating, even if you don't like the man.
fanzy1338
A rational point was not made, I think you are just one of many million people who believe aslan is always right because of his 'whataboutist' and clearly biased arguments on Islam, purely because he knows trends in the online world and just echoes a bunch of regressive arguments around doesn't mean he argues in good faith
egin this video he brings up the fact that women are not 100% equal to men in non Muslim countries, purely a deflection when the fact is women are far less equal in Muslim majority countries where strict adherence to the quran is practiced and in many cases, put into law. But he knows how to maintain a big public profile in the young and/or leftist group, because they focus more on ignoring the intolerance of such societies in the name of tolerance. It's ridiculous. The left needs a detox, and I know as a critical thinker (like pakman) I would still call myself a progressive and left viewed person with or without them, but I'd rather they just stop getting worked up/rational and use reasonable and critical thinking instead of chanting back whatever the sjw media like Junkee, Vice and Buzzfeed imprints in their minds. Same goes for far right loonies consuming info wars and fox news eveyday
This just bums me out. I've always looked up to and admired Reza Aslan. He's obviously a world class intellectual and doesn't need to embellish his credentials. Bill Nye doesn't embellish about his academic career, and it doesn't invalidate his work at all.
1:07 Aslan relies on ad hominem, and “reverse ad hominems” about how he’s correct because he’s a scholar.
Man, it's kinda hard to feel angry at the guy since he was clearly trying to be friendly in the video.
you really think Reza was trying to be friendly in this video? He was extremely condescending and passive-aggressive in his response to an effing college student
The only honest comment Aslan could have made would have been........Ok, so you caught me.
Having read his book "Zealot" I respect Aslan's intellect. I also would rather believe that he is genuine and not being deliberately deceptive. His problem is his faith. However bright you may be, a religious belief will cloud your perceptions of truth.
I watch you every day, David. I appreciate your thorough take on every issue. I appreciate your rational approach to your interviews as well.
Reza aslan is a dangerous person to the West, he does not try to fix Islam, just give it pass.
he didn't try because he didn't have to, however he could fix the misconceptions about Islam thrown daily by fakey fuck news fox news and CNN, and what about Christianity and Judaism??
I suggest you get and read the end of his book No god but God in which in talks about the schisms in Islam and extremism
"misconceptions" you telling me that FGM, women as 2nd class citizens, slavery, sex slavery, polygamy, child marriages, killing of gays etc. is a "misconceptions"? Islam is the most dangerous ideology in this planet. As an atheist I think that a society that tries to defend it is suicidal
islamic extremism is just the normal Muslims trying to live up to the ideals of Moe Ham Mud
you concentrate on fixing yourself
As LAN starts off most arguments by saying "I'm a highly educated person with all sorts of degrees"
That's the first sign that someone is about to lie like a douchebag
I guess nobody told Reza Aslan about the Streisand effect....
I would get a refund from any school that employs Reza. Next time he brings up Indonesia ask him about East Timor.
David, it seems to me that you prefer information and facts to validate your claims, as opposed to feelings/emotions..
Groundhog X that's what i like about him
He really is a pleasure to watch because of his cool headedness. But he's also emotionally warm, so its a nice mix.
Baby Beerus -GodOfDestruction lol in that video when he tried to explain burden of proof to that Jesse lee guy, they tried to criticize David for being an "information and facts" guy at the end, as if it was actually a negative trait.. it was epic
Who is actually Reza Aslan? And I mean that seriously... I'm from Europe and I never heard from him...
He is an Islamic apologist and dishonest turd. No wonder the regressive left loves him.
I live on the Cape, when I see a husband and wife couple in the heat of the summer , wife is dressed all in black covered totally, and husband in short sleeves. I question her rights and I am sorry when all the women around are in sleeveless garments because it is hot and humid, do you really want me to believe she loves being dressed in black and dying in the heat. Her eyes did not say , oooo I love this.
imo this relies on older episodes for most of context, which you don't provide, these videos need to be fleshed out more or risk sounding self-congratulatory
David Pakman haunts Reza Aslan's dreams at night :)
I don't quite get the reason for this video to made. Are you happy that he listened to your perspective or angry that he won't listen to you (which he has obviously, so that wouldn't make sense)? A lot of supposed independent, free-thinkers claim they just want their voices to be heard yet when they actually are heard, they make 5:17 long youtube videos criticizing them for listening to their opinion. You also made a video saying he "cannot be trusted". While I agree with most of your points, I also think youtube personalities who make videos with audacious clickbait titles like "cannot be trusted" should also not be trusted. It would be great to see you both of you talk it out but check yourself first.
Look how gleeful he is when he makes the David Pakman comment...he just keeps clicking away on that pen lol...that was the point he really wanted to get at the whole time
tbh Aslan realised he ws dealing with an argumentative person so hit back
He is one of the biggest lair and sinister. Just check him out on what he said about Sam Harris.
Reza Aslan can't even be honest about his own credentials he is no better than Trump in that regard.
Both Trump and Aslan are unbearably smug.
Your comparison is incredibly stupid. What are your credentials beside being an internet warrior and troll
+TheBrabon1 No. Aslan isn't even half as much of a jerk as Trump. He's annoying, he skirts around certain issues because he refuses to ditch his religious beliefs which he knows in his heart of hearts are built on faulty premises, he is not a great scholar. All that said, you have to dig a hell of a long way to the bottom of the barrel before you get to Trump.
Cream147player what exactly do you think are his religious beliefs? As far as I know he doesn't subscribe to any bullshit organized religions.
Aslan says he was a Christian bible basher in his teens and then converted to Islam later
Hey Mr.Pakman, don't be naïve. Reza doesn't say things as he sees it, he is just pushing an agenda.
William Freire Cenk loves him there is proof of it.
Roman T wrong show friend
Somalia, Egypt, Kurdistan, Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia, yes, those are all the same tribal regions with similar cultures and the fact that the major school of Islamic Jurisprudence in each of those regions is the Shafi'i madhhab, one that teaches that FGM is mandatory, has nothing to do with anything.
I found out about Reza by watching his interview on Fox News. Sadly, it was downhill from there.
Him saying that doesn't mean he's watched it. Just like Pakman said, people have been tweeting it, ya think maybe some of them have mentioned his name?
Coach JG dude Davids just selling his name through Aslan lol.
I met Professor Aslan and listening to him will mesmerize most.
Aslan is not a "so-called religious scholar", he IS a religious scholar whether or not you agree with him. In the middle of this defamatory rant, the claim was made that Aslan is ignorant of evidence relating to FGM in central Africa and Indonesian law. Where's the evidence?
I know this post is a year old and I apologize if you no longer care about the topic, but Dave mentioned a 26 minute dissection of Reza Aslan's credentials and claims at the beginning of the video. It is there where Dave goes in depth about Aslan's claims regarding FGM, and I have to say, in my opinion, the evidence and citations provided were pretty damning.
@@ehsteve231 I am happy to confirm that.
But what about him misleading with his academic titles? It's all about Argument From Authority for him, but his authority is a false one.
David, you have greatly improved your skills. I couldn't watch that video long; it was about to put me to sleep. glad I recently became a subscriber
reza and cenk are so bias when it comes to islam. pakman, harris and hitchens destroy these peasents
That was the video that made me love your show.
It doesn't necessarily mean he watched your video. He heard of you previously and dismissed you as small time and not worth responding to. His comment to the fellow in the clip when he said that he was watching too much David Packman, was like saying he reads too many tabloids like the Enquirer. Just another take.
Reza Aslan has listened to too much Reza Aslan
I've never heard of Reza Aslan and don't have time to write a comment about him on a youtube forum.
I do feel there needs to be a debate between David and Reza Aslan. Reza hardly came off worse in this video. Now that he has acknowledged the show, it feels like he's obligated to do it now.
All the people on the comments don't even have 10% of this man iQ but still open their mouth and thalk shit . We get that people love to hate on successful muslims for no reason
Unfortunate not to have cut Reza's actual comments with what he claims to have said in this video, to show that he is indeed lying to the face of this student. He has applied nuance retroactively to his statements (although the nuance doesn't really redeem them much). Anyways, would have appreciated a little more editing on this point, as was done in the video he references.
Reza seems very confident in his statements, by getting passive aggressive to a student where he was speaking in a lecture series......
How about you comment on how you didn't include ANY of the actual conversation between Benjamin and Reza. What the hell is that?
Well, I guess Reza Aslan hasn't been watching the David Pakman Show recently. Hopefully, he'll come soon.
Couldn't watch his Scientology show. Was like he's ready to join.
I like David's show, but you have to give credit where credit is due, Reza Aslan is an outstanding scholar in religion, I've read most of his books, and they reflect "to me" an interesting point of view on faith, being atheist in a religious family has not been easy in my case, but Reza has shaped my tolerance to accept others in a theological matter, although I cannot defend everything he has said in his carreer, but neither can I do for David, I've watch his show for over a year and sometimes I have to stop the video and check the truthness of some of his claims.
I noticed how obviously on edge and irritated Aslan is. It’s like he’s either been asked this A LOT since the video or he just has pre-set answers to this line of questioning and was impatient because he knew how he was going to answer.
1 Corinthians 11:5 (Response)
"And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head - it is just as though her head were shaved." That is Bible quote promoting the hijab. I guess Islam and Christianity aren't too different at all.
Omer Sheikh Nothing wrong with the hijab
of course not. I'm just stating the similarities of the two religions. That's all.
+Omar They're actually more similar than the bigot republicans think
Except the whole thing in Christianity about not overthrowing secular governments. There's that, so, you're wrong. Nice try though, very good Googling. Bravo.
There's also huge differences. We hear about how in Muslim or Islamic countries women have practically NO VALUE. The husband can beat,abuse and rape them and women are never really protected. However the bible is very specific in how women need to be respected and treated fairly. for example:
1. How to treat pregnant women Exodus 21:22
2. Women can own buissiness
Proverbs 31:24
3. Mothers deserve respect just as father's Exodus 20:12
4. Women had a right to their fathers inheritance
Numbers 27: 6-8
5. Rape not tolerated Deutoronomy 22:25-26
This is just few of many examples of how God expected men to treat women. but the truth is not just because someone claims their christian or even a religious person means they follow what the bible says but it's in the Bible regardless.
I'd like to comment on something very specific you said in this video. "I may disagree on the facts and that's where we generate worthwhile discussion". Isn't that worth nuancing more. I think one of the biggest problems today is disagreeing about facts. the discussion to clear up facts is ludicrous, petty, childish, and only a necessary step to get to start on the worthwhile discussion, which is the difference on opinion about the established facts. In an ideal world without liars and stupidity, facts would just be a given at the start of a good debate. I may have misinterpreted your intentions here but I do believe this is worth stating
If you look at the data, it's pretty clear Reza Aslan is correct about FGM being largely a Central African problem. It's nowhere near as common in the Muslim world outside of Africa. In Africa, it's practiced in countries that aren't majority-Muslim.
Wow...Reza must keep close watch on David in order to readily connect someone's opinion to him.
Hey Reza, I can't get enough of David.
David pakman its nice to know that Reza aslan is welcomed on your show ,and if he does accept a debate ,before he enters the studio pat him down ,he might be strapped with explosives
I'm sure I'll get hate for this here but I actually like Reza Aslan (and David). Sure, you can make an argument about his mistatement of his sociology degree, but he is no doubt a highly educated and thoughtful person and I think he has brought a lot of discussion to the table about Islam overall. I really can't hate on the guy. The unfortunate thing with the original expose is that it elicited a hateful backlash rather than a nuanced discussion even though the video itself was totally reasonable. is Reza Aslan we really should be spending our time going after? It just seems hateful and unneeded.
"In Indonesia Women have equal rights by law, just like America. But clearly they don't have them in reality, just like in America"
Did he compare the status of women in Indonesia, saying they were basically just like America? ffs
Every student that watches an hour or two of Fox each week should be obliged to watch equal amounts of you & nderson Cooper
thank you. as a middle-aged black man, i enjoy your news. you use facts. you have secular values and you even show it when in a debate with someone who oppose your perspective of a situation.
He didnt say anything bad or trying to ditch the person. The person asking question is not qualified to even engage in a conversation with a scholar like Mr. Reza Aslan, that is why he wrapped it up.
I do not believe Reza is trying to hurt anybody, I think he wants to do the right thing as he sees it, but I do think he is dishonest with himself about the facts
Zucchina nah, he is a self-serving liar. DP is right he in not to be trusted
you're probably right, he seems pretty A-moral and dishonest
Zucchina No he lies about people and knows he is lying. Sam Harris debated him and clearly won by any standerd. He then lied and started callimg Sam racist. The fact that he covers for fgm rather than call it out vigorously. Makes him aweful
Wilful ignorance? Perhaps. However, from this exchange with this particular student, he seemed to make a lot of effort to make his words fit the facts. So it's quite possible he was unaware at the time of the CNN-interview that FGM is quite prevalent in the Gulf Countries and has been brought all the way to Malaysia and Indonesia by islamic puritans and fundamentalists; and is now trying to save face.
Now if his point had been that FGM didn't originate from Islam, and that it is predominant in Africa regardless of religion, and that many Muslims don't practige female circumcision, so that one shouldn't equate FGM with 'Islam', fair enough. But he should at least be knowledgeable and honest enough to note that Islamic orthodoxy - although by far not exclusively or originally an Islamic problem - has made FGM a problem within Islam, and Islamic theologians should put more effort in to critically think through it's theological credentials.
For instance, up until the mid-nineties, Al Azhar used to recommend female circumcision as an Islamic tradition, until even people like Yusuf al-Qaradawi were confronted with a slew of medical evidence that 'circumcision' was habitually practiced in a way which was detrimental to women's health. It's quite possible that the advent of the internet and the accessiblity of information and connectivity between people has something to do with this. Information is not only more readily available, but it spreads more easily.
So by 2005 they started changing their tune and re-examine the traditional theological arguments for female circumcision. So at least these Islamic scholars seem to think it is an issue within Islamic theology which deserves attention and critical examination. And these are scholars we would consider to be fundamentalists. So if these fundamentalists seem to think female circumcision and FGM are pressing issues within Islam/Islamic theology, how can any scholar of Islam pretend it's hardly an issue within Islam?
So either Reza Aslan is disengenuous or ignorant of the facts available, or a little bit of both.
Tjerk Muller I'd say he is disingenuous
Watching Aslan's appalling program on CNN makes it pretty clear that his putative "scholar" is not only a shameless apologist for Islam but is also open to embracing all sorts of barking mad religious lunacy. It seems to be a peculiarly "liberal" sort of ecumenical idiocy.
In fairness to Aslan, you titled the video "Reza Aslan Cannot Be Trusted", not "Reza Aslan might be wrong about a specific issue but he's a good guy". The title of your video is a very broad attack on his credibility and integrity.
What is your problem with Reza Aslan ... It feels more like defamation to me
Have you watched any of the reza videos?
Im confused. what does Resa believe/say that is controversial?
well Aslan brings a large element of common sense to the table regarding Islam...and common sense in this day and age IS controversial.
I'll sum it up
Aslan says that Islam is very diverse and that there are many sects within Islam whose beliefs and practices are diverse. Most are harmless some are extremists
Aslan states that Muslims cherry pick the info within the Koran and do NOT follow it to the letter - again this is logical as there are so many contradictory things within religious texts that it would be impossible to follow everything written
Aslan states that the extremism in Islam is a problem WITHIN Islam itself and is basically a localised problem in the Middle East
I'm not sure I'd just let him speak down to me like that. I'd have to put a halt to that immediately.
I am muslim and live in the middle east and no one or no communities I know in my country or the surrounding countries practice FGM.
Hitting the elite :D FUCK YES! David, you and your team rock!
but it is true.. In indonesia, FGM happen BEFORE even it is Muslims majority.. In the past, indonesia was hindu kingdoms and then buddhist kingdoms, and FGM was also practiced at that time... So it is more like cultural rather than religious..
David I've been a fan of the show for years now and I agree w most of your views as a progressive; I also took a class taught by dr.aslan before I graduated. I have to say your assertion about Aslan is inaccurate or misleading. I think he is very knowledgeable about issues he talks about and definitely can be trusted to present the best evidence to his knowledge on religious topics.
That video was kinda of rip-off of another video already in UA-cam.
I do prefer yours, I think you added a few nuances, but you should have referred the original video. Since they are 90% the same
Knowing little to nothing about the man before watching David's expose' on him, I am now of the mind that everything Aslan says is subject to scrutiny, which is as it should be for someone who takes so many liberties with his credentials. Only that CNN would give him his own show lends itself to Trump's claim that CNN is "fake news." But I would argue, Benjamin, that you are watching too much Reza Aslan, and not enough of The DP Show...
Honestly, I see no major fault here. Reza's ego does play a role, but not in a condecending way toward Mr. Pakman. There does seem to be some healthy professional rivalry, which in my mind, is a good thing.
why you give it so much importance, if he thinks you dont deserve the chance to be in an argument with him. that is his opinion about your show. im not in a side of anyone, but it shows that you want to prove that you have a point deserves to get some attention by such a person(expert) as Reza. in addition, when he says you watch too much batman, that is just supposed to prove his opinion that your show may not worth it to give it that much awareness. personal opinion. and i think at least your show is good and civil, unlike these shouting human beings that they think they always be right about what ever the fuck they think of. great show keep it up.
I think David Parkman is much closer to Jordan Peterson than he thinks he is. Both consider themselves to be liberals but also want to reel in excesses on the left, especially radical dogmatism and dangerous pseudointellectualism. On the other hand they take very different approaches to it, and while both are intelligent they have clear that colour their critique with inconsistencies (like how Peterson can be unnecessarily harsh on the left for things the right is similarly or equally guilty of, and the reverse in Parkman's case). I think it would be really interesting for them to have a debate, especially if it was hosted by someone relatively neutral as a moderator.
Aslan is right about Indonesia and Malaysia, though. They are predominantly Muslim but there is no legal discrimination of women there, and far more women at the top of professions, politics, government admin and business than there are in the United States.
WRONG.
You do not even know the difference between a fertility test and a virginity test.
You are therefore proven to be an extremely stupid and ignorant person. Did you drop out of school early?
Some overzealous recruiters demanded these tests but they are being reviewed and banned due to protests. I need not point out that many, including Western, countries got rid of outdated discriminatory laws after protests and progressive movements. This kind of law has more to do with patriarchy than anything else. And military/policemen are more patriarchal and macho than most.
So go away, chylla you stupid liar.
so resa's logic is that the law in america has men and women as equal, but the country "doesn't actually treat women as equal", and then so he lords indonisia over the rest of the world because it also has men and women as legally equal, when thats not unique. and doesnt mean at all that women are treated the same which is the point he made about america. and he is completely wrong to make that statement when the VAST majority of women in Indonesia suffer from fgm. but they are equal under the law? go fuck yourself
Ramesh Kumar Biswas omg. You think a virginity test is any better? You're a dumb ass and you've further proven his point.
malaysia is officially a muslim country. they even have a law-mandated extended lunch hour on fridays, to pray.
if you go there you will see a LOT of women with those wrestler-like "masks", covered from head to toe.....DRAGGING their husbands in stores to buy the stuff they(the women) want. you will also see old indian women in their traditional clothes...with their gut hanging out....it's not pleasant but they do have that freedom. it seems like the subjugation of women is more of a cultural thing than a religious thing...
i do not know the ratio of male and female genital mutilations there. didnt look it up...
+anti
no. not kidding at all. what part of what i said do you think is incorrect?
i dont know if "sharia law" is cultural or not. and i dont care. it's a religious law system, and my constitution is explicit in the separation of government and religion.
Good for you Dave and Pat!
Reza ASSlan better acknowledge the Pakman.
Ryan Powell you are SO witty! Your iq must be atleast 65
Archon Heliz so... your point is that he should or should not acknowledge the Pakman?
Ryan Powell If you watch this video again you'll see and hear Aslan acknowledge Pakman. You do know what the word acknowledge means don't you?
Well played sir, but when I meant acknowledge I should have added and bow down before Pakman and lick his nads because you are a fraud and a cultural relativism douche. Thank you for pointing this out. Very much appreciated. :)
Ryan, you and Pakman seem just about as intelligent as one another, this explains why he gets any views with these clips of his monotonously delivered retarded points of view.
I generally agree with you David, but if your position is that the facts aren’t exactly as Resa Aslan has been stating them, Why would you choose the provocative title of ‘resa Aslan can’t be trusted’. Sounds like a hit piece to me.
I find it odd that someone who has studied so many different religions could actually "believe" one of them.
Why did you cut to the part where he says your name and completely ignore whatever arguments he had against the student asking him. I'm glad you feel happy that someone more famous than you mentioned your name, but I'd like to see you counter the arguments made by reza instead of this ego stroking.
this is taking things out of context
although I disagree with Reza Aslan's views, I think attacking someone based on their credentials is annoying. It's as annoying as Reza claiming to be a religious scholar but i wish people would just argue based on the merits of their argument. Discrediting someone based on their credentials is the equivalent to a personal attack rather than a genuine rebuttal of views.
yeah, but Reza doesn't understand, is that Benjamin is a "scholar" of David Pakman.
If Reza Azlan was a true intellectual he would welcome a discussion on the matters he has raised on CNN which were torn down by the David's video.
Reza and his joke of a show on CNN. Another reason corporate media is unreliable.
Reza nailed it, people need to stop painting everyone with the same brush it's idiotic.
I honestly haven't seen Reza fail in proving his points.
"As far as we knew, he hadn't watched it."??lol. Oh please, don't give him that much credit; he gives himself more than enough, already! He had to know it was only a matter of time B4 someone did some fact-checking, &called him on his BS &dishonest credentials (although, apparently, mainstream media couldn't be bothered to fact-check this Bozo).
Reza Aslan has been thoroughly discredited by now. We all know the guy is a joke.
Reza is a great religious scholar. I like you David. But that doesn't mean you disqualify his credentials. I like the both of you. Keep it that way
why do otherwise intelligent people say "whole nother" but would never write it?
something tells me Reza will not be making an appearance on the show
Did sensed the selling of years when he called it a home video. Not usually into trolling but that was genuinely very funny; that response that is.
So basically you guys made an entire video to tell your audience that: "OMG Reza Aslan mentioned us!!" I must say that that doesn't really speak for your professionalism, journalistic standards nor for your general self esteem. It clearly made money though seeing as almost a 100.000 people watched it. I would like my 5 minutes back please.
Reza Aslan is pulling a William Lane Craig at this point.
I really appreciate your fact orientation and intellectual honesty. This is the only way.
The guy uses his confidence to scare light headed people.
I like Reza and he seems to generate interesting dialogue and I frankly don’t care how he spins his degrees because taking that path usually has a shelf life and flares out...I’d suggest to reach over him instead of going for him. This feels a little underhanded, hannityish, tuckery fuckery...hope you get him on the show..
Next Trump is going to be like " Now if you will excuse me, I have to watch some David Pakman "
Of course these two guys are going to invite Reza Aslan to the show; his celebrity-status is great for getting more viewers. Say what you will about Aslan, he made a name for himself with his supposed expertise. On the other hand, this is the first time I even heard of David Pakman. Fame isn't everything, but getting publicity by criticizing someone who is famous seems like a low route to take.
Such balony, since when is being famous some pedestal which lifts one above any critique lol ..
Reza is a shameless con artist pulling degrees and facts out of thin air for all to see ..he needs to be exposed and ridiculed for the phony he is, simple.