@@michaelormondrobinson It what I love about shoes. One persons irritation is another’s big boon of the shoe. I hope the pocket is more noticeable in the new version with a better lockdown. 👍🏼
Whoa, Eddbud, you have nailed it with today's perspective on Nike Zoom pods. Long a Nike fan I've now gone to Reebok and Puma, not for price so much, but for the experience I crave. How is it that a company always known for innovation and groundbreaking materials, is stuck with a component that has fallen behind the modest competitors? The Epic React was wonderful for me ,but alas, nothing since has worked.
Edd - Brilliant review and summary. Agreed with everything you have suggested. Very few innovations last for a long period of time. If this 1978 technology has been updated and redesigned - its still from that era. Nike had flogged air units for far too long, extending this technology in tandem with more modern energy returning foams. Getting to be the most desired shoe is the commercial dream. Keeping yourself there a very hard process with so much good competition. Reebok, Adidas, Saucony, New Balance and Skechers have proved this in recent successive years!
The original Pegasus was my training shoe for my freshman year of high school track in the spring of 1984. Loved them. Tried the Odessey for XC the following fall, and it was the wrong shoe for my feet. Next was the Vortex and the Sock Trainer. Eventually, I found my way back to my first love, the Pegasus.
I stopped buying the Pegasus after the 35 model. Don’t like how they changed to full length air bag. My favorite is the two separate ones in the midsole. Great video again. Just a daily dose of EDD BuDD does the runner good.👊👊👊👊👊
The Eraser takes me to another world, glad to see you suggest it. Thom Yorke man... Great videos as always. My Fiance gets nervous when she sees you on one screen, then runners warehouse on another..
Superb album. Timeless too. Sounds just as good now. Say sorry from me to your fiancé. Though at least with all these shoes they are a portal to greater fitness and health, plus they make us so happy. 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
The Vomero 15 is awesome . Comfortable and I can run fast with it because a feel "the pop" bounce. The Vomero 14 was even more comfortable, the React midsole was ultra soft but it had near zero bounce feeling. A very slow high cushioning shoe for me. If they're is only one thing I felt strange in the Vomero 15 was the arch ... felt initially it was for preventing overpronation but a few runs and that " strange" feeling went away and it became a normal neutral shoe.
This is why I told myself to wait for No 39 A hunch? No, it's the midsole number 😉 Maybe the air zoom will turn into the zoom alone, so the %s will become more of a daily affair. A next gen Peg Turbo? 😎 Till then, I'm in the Trail Pegs. Good stuff. And so is your video! Don't mind me watching it again. I like stories. 👍
I seem to remember zoom air didn’t debut until early 2000s, so I guess an improvement from the original tech, but still dated by today’s standards. What is iconic though, is the term: “Nike Air Peagasus”and “Nike Air Max” Adidas ultra boost, New Balance fresh foam etc.... just doesn’t have that iconic ring to it. So that’s where Nike will always win, even if the performance is sub par. Great video as always. 👍🏼
Wasn't into Nike but tried the Peg36 in a shop to get some feel for the sizing and walking around in them was very comfortable. As the Peg37 where only 10 euro more expensive but seem to offer so much more bells and whistles I bought them. Find them now only suitable for slower cadence/paces. If I go beyond 160 bpm, 11 K/hour they feel clunky and taxing on my achilles tendons. Bought some adidas RC2 at a discount and they shine at higher tempo's. So I ended up whith 2 pairs of shoes, that I rotate. Long slow and even walking: Peg37 and faster fun Adidas RC2.
I'm waiting for the return of the Nike Oregon Waffle (that kick-ass yellow and green colorway) which I raced in during high school circa 1981. That was a shoe! Foam, rubber, waffle soles, laces and let's go! Simple...
I know I am being picky but both the Alphafly and Vaporfly are both Next%. It would be clearer if they were referred to by their unique names. Love the videos, I watch them daily.
It’s really odd how the naming conventions are so strange! Alphafly is so different to the Vaporfly next%. No need for the additional next after the alphafly. Remeber the Pegasus 35 turbo became the turbo 2? 😂
Interesting - as ever - but I don’t see myself switching to Nike any time soon; perhaps it’s just that we all have TOO MUCH CHOICE? However, today’s 10k - ran ‘pushing it’ - notched up another double 5 & 10k PB; all done with the wonderful Reebok Floatride 3. Thanks for the recommendation! I watch as much for the musical interludes as anything else, as a Radiohead fan Goodrich clearly has a lot to say. Again I didn’t realise he’d worked with The Divine Comedy, another very interesting ‘band’ - Neil Hannon is a great talent, lyrics to die for!
I was a tailwind guy.....best shoe of its day....the air seemed to give better cushioning in the frigid Minnesota winters verses the waffle trainers....because the EVA turned into a brick below zero degrees f....never liked the peg in the early days because the upper gave me blisters
The Tailwind was amazing , my favourites to today remain the Vortex and Air Edge . What a great pairingalways found that the air soles made the shoes last longe for me and suit my footstrike, especially the ones mentioned here with the PU midsoles which were mega! I find the Tempo Next % and AlphaFly Next % great in that the air pods provide both energy return, more stability in the forefoot and longevity compared to just a Zoom X midsole on say the VaporFly.
The initial Pegasus was a "light weight " trainer. I ran in that shoe and loved it. I think the air sole is not the problem...it's the React midsole...just too hard for me. Thanks for your work and videos. Great work!!!
@@EDDBUD Loved this video. I have been a big Nike (Air) fan ever since I got my Peg 89’s when in primary school back in the eighties. Currently I have both the Peg37 and the React Infinity fly knit as daily trainers in addition to the Saucony Speeds. To me, the midsole of the Peg37 feels a bit flat/dead compared to the Infinity’s (and the Odyssey React). Same React foam but it seems to feel quite different in the Peg 37’s, probably the density. Your trick with bending the Peg37 helped to bring them alive somewhat but I notice that I am avoiding them in favor of my other shoes in the rotation. Before React foam, I used to run in several iterations of the Lunar Glide. They were great shoes for me, but very poor durability as they would lose their cushioning after only 150-200 miles. I am now considering leaving Nike for a while for better value alternatives from other brands. I will pass on the Peg 38’s because the midsole with React/Zoom Air combo is just not doing it for me.
Once again, great video! Air, Gel, Boost, I believe we will continue to see these technologies for years to come, one way or another. I also believe that we are going to see even bigger improvements in the midsole game, the next 10 years. 🤔 Too many antagonists.
The Nike lexicon is unfortunately quite inconsistent, "Zoom, Turbo, Air, Fly, Light, etc" all sound cool, but no longer seem to indicate anything specific about a given shoe.
Zoom Air is gonna stay; Nike still has room to reconfigure Zoom shapes and it shoes with the new Turbo and Strobel designs. It’s also gonna be interesting to see how well Zoom pairs with the new foams - ie ZoomX. The old Air bubble and Air Max is what I think is becoming dated. Now it’s just a cool looking design, but as far as cushioning and impact protection goes, it’s a brick.
I really enjoyed this video and I did have a pair of the original Pegasus, I thought they were pretty good, sort of dependable but nothing fancy, its interesting to see the 'centre of pressure' outsole remaining on the outsole (the lack of tread in the centre part of the heel) in a lot of shoes now. The best early Nike shoe of the early 80's that I had was the Terra T/C which had a Phylon midsole which was super light and responsive (better than the air pods).
Great stuff Ed but I have a slightly different take. I love zoom air (when done right) the more zoom air the better (yes thanks) I think however, its max air that's played out, that for the most part is a deceitful form of gimmicky. Sure the air maxes from back in the day (90s) was great, huge and wonderful. But now nike has been doing us wrong with those child like air units...they can't even do the wrong thing right. Its as if they think all the people from the 80s and 90s are either dead or can't remember how the original air bubbles looked and felt, so they retro stuff and cut corners. To me zoom air or air zoom is my favorite cushioning system...once done right.
I still own a brand new unworn pair of Nike Air Pegasus 25 Bowerman Series Nike+ (remember that Bluetooth connected sensor that fitted under the insole?) from 2008. 😎
Dropping heel zoomair in the new Wildhorse was a big mistake. The old design was soft in the center, just where you wanted cushion, but firmer around the perimeter for stability. WH6 & 7's React is horribly unstable in the heel, and basically guarantee a sprained ankle.
My only exposure to their trademark air zoom air pod is via the Alphafly and for me, it didn't work out. Performance-wise I think the focus should be on midsole compound development and structure. Having said that I think the air zoom pod has a place in Nike shoes, perhaps just not their performance line. Thanks for a great video.👍
@@EDDBUD Yes, that's very true. Being of slight build and nowhere near elite level, my paces probably don't maximise the potential of the air pod in the Alphafly whereas the Nike Vaporfly Next% is perfecto! The full ZoomX midsole is al dente 😄
@@EDDBUD I just had a quick look over at my Alphaflys (mango flavoured ones) and one of the air pods is kaput! I didn't even realise until just now. How disappointing as they are my most expensive shoe by a long way.😢 Next%2 ... as per the Mandalorian "this is the way!" 👍
I think if the technology works and its good they should keep using it. I'm not a big fan of just being trendy and doing what everyone else is doing. Nike has always been a great innovator where everyone copied them. Nike is still the trend setter with the knit uppers, the carbon fiber plates, the odd color combinations, etc... It was only adidas with the boost that Nike had to respond to which they did with react and all those non zoom air running shoes. But if anything boost was a godsend to nike because it allowed them to come out with a bunch of shoes that didnt have to utilize zoom air. Its probably a lot cheaper for them to make the shoes like that as well. Also telling nike to stop using zoom air is like asking asics to stop using gel because they've been using it for too long. Or stop using shoe laces, its been used for too long (and oh yes, Nike do have lace less models). Nike just needs to listen to the consumer better. All these tight, restrictive and uncomfortable uppers and lasts are the reason I havent brought any nike running shoes for a minute. I had the Nike zoom structure shoe and those really did a doosey on my feet and legs. The bad press with Alberto Salazar doping and female athlete abuse is also a big thing. Nike doesnt give a crap, they just want to sell shoes and everyone knows this. That's why everyone stays away from Nike unless they have to. And we have (or had) to with the race day shoes. But now there are many carbon fiber shoes out there that matches nike. Forget helping Nike, just help these other brands. That's how you make nike response anyways. They dont care.
Just my thought, but I think Nike wanted to keep the Pegasus line affordable and the Zoom X only on premium running shoes. That's why Zoom X is only found on the Next% and the Invincible Run. I think Nike is just running like the top dog. You want our best tech, then you are going to have to pay for it (Next%). If you don't want to pay that much, here's a bunch of mid tier shoes with some of the tech. Those mid tier shoes may never measure up to other competitors shoes. They might have dated tech, but at the end of the day, Nike is going to vastly outsell all those other brands. The main difference is Nike is the absolute king of marketing.
No they need to keep zoom air. I have worn pegs for many, many years and find no issues with them. They work because they don't change much from year to year. I don't want to run in Saucony, or New Balance or anything else out there, just give me the pegasus!! 🙂
@@MonteComeau All the info I read on e release of that shoe was that it stood out from the crowd and people quickly snapped them up when available. Sounds familiar! 😊
@@EDDBUD Exactly! I remember driving across the border to the US to buy them because they were not available in Canada. Funny how nothing has changed. Nike has been playing by the same book for decades.
Has the originals in 83 cracking shoe, difficult at the time to get hold of like most of its runners as nikes supply chain was very hit and miss. Early 90's they really messed around with shoe with the pegasus racer tc and a total revamp of the shoe which caused a number of injuries for runners. Another great blog edd.
Hey Edd. Just wanted to provide some personal thoughts. I've owned UB's (older models definitely not runners), Peg 37's, Endorphin Speed, and React Flyknit and some Vapormaxes when they were labeled for running. I noticed that on my runs (I end up with ~500ft incline on my ~4 miles) and react foam ended up hurting my knees on the downhill, but the vapormaxes didn't. So I bought the Peg 37, because they had React + Air. I don't notice the pain from the heavy downhill on my knees. Your video mentioned that 12%, and it made me laugh. But I wonder if that 12% is enough to make it a little more comfortable so that passive performance of the air unit turns into an active performance boost since my knees hurt less. But I also started wearing some knee braces that resolved it regardless of shoe. But I can say anecdotally, the air units helped me with downhill running, which sounds like that makes sense? Just adding some more data to the pile. I don't think Zoom Air has had it's day yet, but I dont know the data on impact of Zoom Air vs React and other foams.
The Zoom Air in the Pegasus should have been replaced by the tech in the Turbo line. Highly versatile, more modern tech & they could have called it the ZoomX Pegasus, which would have been nice branding also.
@@EDDBUD Yeah, she's a Maine'r, it's like the Scousers of America 😂 BTW- Pavement!!! the best band of the 90's, I'm going to pick up my guitar and play Range Life!
I don't necessarily think it's a thing of the past. I've really enjoyed it being deployed well in the Alphafly and Tempo Next. Those pods with ZoomX provided positively moon bounce levels of responsiveness. And the Peg 37's midsole did have a good amount of pop from the forefoot air, hoping the 38 fixes the upper so the shoe is more versatile. I do think React is getting a bit long in the tooth and could be upgraded to a slightly lighter material for use in more daily trainers, but that's a separate conversation.
Avid subscriber of your channel. Love your passion for everything running and even enjoyed how you called out others in how they were responding to Beth Potter's recent 5k record. Your comment "they had a lady" in regard to the Nike Peg 37 marketing video was obviously a mistake. Describing Joan Benoit [female running icon, first Olympic Marathon winner, Boston and Chicago Marathon winner] as some generic lady runner just didn't sit well for me.
Thanks for pointing that out. My intention there was to show how even a runner considered wearing the shoe for a marathon regardless of their status. I could have even left out the fact she was a lady but she certain has a superb record.I wasn’t belittling her achievements merely moving focus to the shoe and it’s reliability.
This argument, to me, is like saying airplanes are not cool anymore because they've been around so long. Zoom is amazing when done right. You can easily feel more comfort and response with less stack in a shoe with a good implementation of zoom with foam
I agree, in my videos are seldom go all out against something. I like to explore the sides of the argument. The 35 was perfect in upper fit and cushion for me.
The invincible feel like unstable moonboots to me. The Pegasus are uninspired compared to many other brands midsoles(pick any). I’d love to try the next % if my size existed in the continental US😂.
My brother got me a pair of Pegasus 31 that lasted for 2 years. That shoe got me to run lmost every day. Then I got a pair of 34:s, half a size down and tight, which felt lighter and with extreme propulsion and far, far bouncier. I am still waiting for Pegasus to surprise me again. The branding feels old for sure.
If it was finished we would have not seen it in the Tempo and Alpha. It's light and it works good with the foam. I really like the way it works with react too. It gives that little bit of extra cushion and responsiveness. It also makes me think the shoe lasts longer. I took my vomero 11 with front and rear pods to 2000k eventually. The last 500k the foam took a week after each 10k to get back into shape and without the pods I don't think the shoes would have stayed comfortable for the easy runs. I retired these shoes after 4 years. Now GEL from asics.. that will only be found in heavy supportive shoes five years from now if you ask me. I never really felt it working in faster shoes and tempo runs. Or am I ahead of the topics now?
Hey Edd, I'm wondering how you find the zoom air pods in your pair of Lebron 17's. I think zoom air might be outdated in running shoes, but maybe still good for basketball and casual shoes!
That was really interesting- thank you for your review! It was perhaps inevitable that Nike would lose some of its market dominance after such a very long run. The barriers to entry aren’t nearly as formidable now that nearly any company can tinker with the same EVA at the same manufacturing facilities in China and Vietnam. Enda’s almost immediate success from Kenya (but using mid soles made in China) attests to the remarkable spirit of innovation requiring much less relative capital investment than when Nike and Adidas were literally creating a market.
I find that air zoom units reduce the longevity of shoes. In some of the react shoes that have zoom units, I found that they deflate before the react foam has degraded.
I like zoom air(especially is my bball shoes) but to me, it does better at energy absorption vs return. Maybe they can do ZoomX foam and zoom air strobel for peg 39? 🤔
@@EDDBUD agreed. However, depends on how the zoom pods are placed. Have a pair of Nike SuperRep which have large zoom pods, I feel almost nothing for return because it’s encased between plastic support piece and firmer outsole.
Keep the Zoom Air! And Bring back my favorite racing flats (Nike Terra TC). We don't need carbon plates, We don't need fly-knit, We don't need more foam, We don't need more energy return! We don't need 3D fit print! Steve Prefontaine, Bill Rodgers, Alberto Salazar, Dick Beardsly, Seb Coe, Ovett and Cram and Nick Rose didn't need it. We need the original waffle outsole! I wish the old Pegasus circa 1982-83 never went away! Don't know you remember the Nike Equator or the Nike Internationalist? When those shoes were discontinued as Nike began to advance their technology I feel they lost a customer base that never returned. I could seemingly never get the same shoe twice and the prices began to climb and there labor standards began to drop. Now I simply do not purchase Nike out of pure spite.
Hey Matt! Love the passion here. Peg 38 arriving today so will see what the zoom air is like with a better upper. Last years 37 was terrible for upper. Really hot, tight and lockdown was poor. 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
Nike and my feet are just not getting along very well. My latest try - Terra Kiger 5 - came on cost of a toenail. Nope, not for me in the near future ... but the history is quite impressive.
I still can't understand why nike hasn't after 3 years of skechers having a nitrogen infused midsole. Why haven't nike come out with their own iteration of it? Brooks did, puma and many more to follow. Maybecsomething is in the works but redact doesn't do anything for me.
I looked it up, Nike has sold over 60 million Nike Pegasus shoes? The switch to React was a big change. That is their running shoe cash cow. You're right though, no one who runs in the Razor 3 would ever buy the Pegasus again. I actually liked the Waffle Racers so much, I used them on all sorts of training runs back about 10 years ago
Im not feeling the new one coming up in 2021, the same technology but worst upper. I don't like the half swoosh or empty in the middle swoosh. I like a full swoosh, so everyone knows I'm using a Nike shoe when running. I like the classical look to shoes, I can use it with any outfit, not just running.
i progressed to the first Peg after a couple of pairs of Intrepids…can still remember the feeling when i first put them on in the sports shop…only the Turbo has rekindled that feeling since
foam: it is the little bubbles of nothing (air - a mixture of gases) that really make it something. hoka uses a foam 'spring' sort of thing. all foams utilise 'air'. basically. they mess around with densities, to achieve various levels of springiness and squishiness. get a variety of 'ideal' combinations of those two qualities and ya git the right shooo for yooo. i believe the most comfy seat cushions utilise multiple densities of foam. so you get the best of both worlds. soft and plush as well as firmer and supportive. but with shoosies you want a bit of bounce. I've found that a slightly thicker (slightly squishy) insole does the trick for me on the firmer bouncy midsole materials, the air zoom 'airbag' ..still works imo. plus there is the opportunity to use such airpocketty things with newer foams as well....don't throw the baby out with the bath water.. or something. 4 elements: squish (insole) bouncy/springy midsole - perhaps even a layer of squishy foam if it also has some bounce to it. midsole support (perhaps a higher density or just the right foam....for element no. 2)? outsole grip/durability - higher density rubberised lugs etc. most shoes don't get the combo of these elements exactly right. and the weight of the runner is a factor. every shoe i get that is not quite right i can think of what would make it better either for a nimble ground feel shoe, OR a more springy and cushioned one. some max cushion shoes are just all wrong. and some are just right. same same with the nimble ground feel shoes. Also: I think sometimes the zoom air thing could be bouncier - vomero 13's seemed to have a bit more bounce to it than other air zoom implementations. perhaps there was just more airbag in that one compared with some others...and no doubt less than in yet other ones.
Don't say "wonderwall". I had a co-worker that had that on her playlist and would hear it about 2-3x a day. I would leave work wanting to shove a red hot poker into my ears. Just overplayed. Hopefully the peg won't go down that road.
lol we talking like Pegasus is the only shoe Nike makes... isn’t their zoomx and carbon plate subject to “super shoe” debate? are we going to act like react isn’t a game changer for foam durability? Pegasus is just one line and zoom air works. everyone else are chasing Nike
Wonderwall : in AUS, ABBA's Fernando stayed #1 for something like 7-8 weeks straight.......it played soooo much into everyone's brains that, too much of a good thing, it fatigued ABBA from the population psyche.....and that was that, no more ABBA. So, yes, too much IS TOO MUCH......everything in moderation. As for Nike, THEY'D BE BONKERS not to release Peg39 with upgrade of full ZoomX, no air pods and a 20/27 midsole.....and pitch as the very finest shoe for ALL parkrunners....... it'd steal share BACK TO NIKE for a decade.
Try in Excess of 12 weeks for Fernando?! Or did it just seem like forever? They stopped bothering to play the video at the end of 'Countdown' after a while. Not sure if that ever happened for another song. @EDDBUD As for the Nike Peg. I tried a few pairs in the 80s/ 90s, but always found they had too little forefoot cushioning. The Peg racer TC (?) worked for me though, for a while.
Nike trainers are trash, so is react. Everyone now creates better trainers than Nike, and they are holding on to ZoomX by a thread to save themselves that is why they released the cumbersome Invincible because they don't have an alternative to other brands and the other brands are now destroying Next% records around the world. The writing is on the wall, change or be left behind but they have their marketing to save their mediocre products.
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I see eddbud. I click. It’s simple.
It’s appreciated Alexander 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Same here.
Ditto!
Nothing wrong with being cumbersome, clunky and odd. It’s how I live my life.
I feel all of these today after 2 marathon gardening sessions. 😂
Is Nike zoom our spirit animal?
I loved the Peg 37 apart from the anoying air zoom pocket in the forefoot, felt like i had a constant giant blister in my forefood
Wow, it’s what I loved the most. Different stokes I guess.
@@michaelormondrobinson It what I love about shoes. One persons irritation is another’s big boon of the shoe. I hope the pocket is more noticeable in the new version with a better lockdown. 👍🏼
Whoa, Eddbud, you have nailed it with today's perspective on Nike Zoom pods. Long a Nike fan I've now gone to Reebok and Puma, not for price so much, but for the experience I crave. How is it
that a company always known for innovation and groundbreaking materials, is stuck with a component that has fallen behind the modest competitors? The Epic React was wonderful for me ,but alas, nothing since has worked.
It’s all felt a little odd and over engineered since the first react shoes. I find the Puma and reebok models plug and play almost.
I've loved the Pegasus 36 and 37 but having just started running in the Adidas Boston 9, I think the boost foam is the winner out of the 2 for me!
Edd - Brilliant review and summary. Agreed with everything you have suggested.
Very few innovations last for a long period of time. If this 1978 technology has been updated and redesigned - its still from that era.
Nike had flogged air units for far too long, extending this technology in tandem with more modern energy returning foams.
Getting to be the most desired shoe is the commercial dream. Keeping yourself there a very hard process with so much good competition. Reebok, Adidas, Saucony, New Balance and Skechers have proved this in recent successive years!
All about the zoom X! So nice to run on.
The original Pegasus was my training shoe for my freshman year of high school track in the spring of 1984. Loved them. Tried the Odessey for XC the following fall, and it was the wrong shoe for my feet. Next was the Vortex and the Sock Trainer. Eventually, I found my way back to my first love, the Pegasus.
I think you have hit the nail on the head there. That many people love the reliability of the Pegasus over the years. 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️😊
I stopped buying the Pegasus after the 35 model. Don’t like how they changed to full length air bag. My favorite is the two separate ones in the midsole. Great video again. Just a daily dose of EDD BuDD does the runner good.👊👊👊👊👊
I love my Turbo's, I want another one too!!
Yes bring back the turbo!
The Eraser takes me to another world, glad to see you suggest it. Thom Yorke man...
Great videos as always. My Fiance gets nervous when she sees you on one screen, then runners warehouse on another..
Superb album. Timeless too. Sounds just as good now. Say sorry from me to your fiancé. Though at least with all these shoes they are a portal to greater fitness and health, plus they make us so happy. 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
@@EDDBUD At least nobody has to wonder what gifts to get us all... Appreciate the reply and your guidance.
The Vomero 15 is awesome . Comfortable and I can run fast with it because a feel "the pop" bounce. The Vomero 14 was even more comfortable, the React midsole was ultra soft but it had near zero bounce feeling. A very slow high cushioning shoe for me.
If they're is only one thing I felt strange in the Vomero 15 was the arch ... felt initially it was for preventing overpronation but a few runs and that " strange" feeling went away and it became a normal neutral shoe.
This is why I told myself to wait for No 39
A hunch? No, it's the midsole number 😉
Maybe the air zoom will turn into the zoom alone, so the %s will become more of a daily affair. A next gen Peg Turbo?
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Till then, I'm in the Trail Pegs. Good stuff.
And so is your video! Don't mind me watching it again. I like stories. 👍
The story videos are my favourite to make. I like understanding where things have come from. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Earth credits .... hahha love your humor man also amazing show reviews thank you 😊
I seem to remember zoom air didn’t debut until early 2000s, so I guess an improvement from the original tech, but still dated by today’s standards. What is iconic though, is the term: “Nike Air Peagasus”and “Nike Air Max” Adidas ultra boost, New Balance fresh foam etc.... just doesn’t have that iconic ring to it. So that’s where Nike will always win, even if the performance is sub par. Great video as always. 👍🏼
Wasn't into Nike but tried the Peg36 in a shop to get some feel for the sizing and walking around in them was very comfortable. As the Peg37 where only 10 euro more expensive but seem to offer so much more bells and whistles I bought them. Find them now only suitable for slower cadence/paces. If I go beyond 160 bpm, 11 K/hour they feel clunky and taxing on my achilles tendons. Bought some adidas RC2 at a discount and they shine at higher tempo's. So I ended up whith 2 pairs of shoes, that I rotate. Long slow and even walking: Peg37 and faster fun Adidas RC2.
I'm waiting for the return of the Nike Oregon Waffle (that kick-ass yellow and green colorway) which I raced in during high school circa 1981. That was a shoe! Foam, rubber, waffle soles, laces and let's go! Simple...
I know I am being picky but both the Alphafly and Vaporfly are both Next%. It would be clearer if they were referred to by their unique names. Love the videos, I watch them daily.
It’s really odd how the naming conventions are so strange! Alphafly is so different to the Vaporfly next%. No need for the additional next after the alphafly. Remeber the Pegasus 35 turbo became the turbo 2? 😂
Interesting - as ever - but I don’t see myself switching to Nike any time soon; perhaps it’s just that we all have TOO MUCH CHOICE? However, today’s 10k - ran ‘pushing it’ - notched up another double 5 & 10k PB; all done with the wonderful Reebok Floatride 3. Thanks for the recommendation! I watch as much for the musical interludes as anything else, as a Radiohead fan Goodrich clearly has a lot to say. Again I didn’t realise he’d worked with The Divine Comedy, another very interesting ‘band’ - Neil Hannon is a great talent, lyrics to die for!
Neil Hannon and the Energy 3 are seriously overlooked! 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
I was a tailwind guy.....best shoe of its day....the air seemed to give better cushioning in the frigid Minnesota winters verses the waffle trainers....because the EVA turned into a brick below zero degrees f....never liked the peg in the early days because the upper gave me blisters
The Tailwind was amazing , my favourites to today remain the Vortex and Air Edge . What a great pairingalways found that the air soles made the shoes last longe for me and suit my footstrike, especially the ones mentioned here with the PU midsoles which were mega! I find the Tempo Next % and AlphaFly Next % great in that the air pods provide both energy return, more stability in the forefoot and longevity compared to just a Zoom X midsole on say the VaporFly.
The initial Pegasus was a "light weight " trainer. I ran in that shoe and loved it. I think the air sole is not the problem...it's the React midsole...just too hard for me. Thanks for your work and videos. Great work!!!
Hey Kent. I found the change to react from cushlon to be quite harsh. The 35/36 was more forgiving to me.
@@EDDBUD Loved this video. I have been a big Nike (Air) fan ever since I got my Peg 89’s when in primary school back in the eighties. Currently I have both the Peg37 and the React Infinity fly knit as daily trainers in addition to the Saucony Speeds. To me, the midsole of the Peg37 feels a bit flat/dead compared to the Infinity’s (and the Odyssey React). Same React foam but it seems to feel quite different in the Peg 37’s, probably the density. Your trick with bending the Peg37 helped to bring them alive somewhat but I notice that I am avoiding them in favor of my other shoes in the rotation. Before React foam, I used to run in several iterations of the Lunar Glide. They were great shoes for me, but very poor durability as they would lose their cushioning after only 150-200 miles. I am now considering leaving Nike for a while for better value alternatives from other brands. I will pass on the Peg 38’s because the midsole with React/Zoom Air combo is just not doing it for me.
Love the feel of a peg 37 wonderful daily shoe
Love my custom colourway but only for walking.
@@EDDBUD nice.
Once again, great video! Air, Gel, Boost, I believe we will continue to see these technologies for years to come, one way or another.
I also believe that we are going to see even bigger improvements in the midsole game, the next 10 years. 🤔
Too many antagonists.
Better believe Eddbudd was running around in the Pegasus 1 😂😂😂
Not the first one. Alas we didn’t have the funds for such things back then.
The Nike lexicon is unfortunately quite inconsistent, "Zoom, Turbo, Air, Fly, Light, etc" all sound cool, but no longer seem to indicate anything specific about a given shoe.
Yes all those lines are blurred now. I remember the zoom Pegasus 35 turbo then became the Pegasus turbo 2. 😂🤦🏻♂️
Zoom Air is gonna stay; Nike still has room to reconfigure Zoom shapes and it shoes with the new Turbo and Strobel designs. It’s also gonna be interesting to see how well Zoom pairs with the new foams - ie ZoomX.
The old Air bubble and Air Max is what I think is becoming dated. Now it’s just a cool looking design, but as far as cushioning and impact protection goes, it’s a brick.
I really enjoyed this video and I did have a pair of the original Pegasus, I thought they were pretty good, sort of dependable but nothing fancy, its interesting to see the 'centre of pressure' outsole remaining on the outsole (the lack of tread in the centre part of the heel) in a lot of shoes now. The best early Nike shoe of the early 80's that I had was the Terra T/C which had a Phylon midsole which was super light and responsive (better than the air pods).
Great stuff Ed but I have a slightly different take. I love zoom air (when done right) the more zoom air the better (yes thanks)
I think however, its max air that's played out, that for the most part is a deceitful form of gimmicky. Sure the air maxes from back in the day (90s) was great, huge and wonderful. But now nike has been doing us wrong with those child like air units...they can't even do the wrong thing right.
Its as if they think all the people from the 80s and 90s are either dead or can't remember how the original air bubbles looked and felt, so they retro stuff and cut corners. To me zoom air or air zoom is my favorite cushioning system...once done right.
I still own a brand new unworn pair of Nike Air Pegasus 25 Bowerman Series Nike+ (remember that Bluetooth connected sensor that fitted under the insole?) from 2008. 😎
I need to investigate this one! 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️😊
@@EDDBUD - mine is White with Silver and Red accents.
www.runningshoesguru.com/2009/04/nike-air-pegasus-25-running-shoes-review/
Dropping heel zoomair in the new Wildhorse was a big mistake. The old design was soft in the center, just where you wanted cushion, but firmer around the perimeter for stability. WH6 & 7's React is horribly unstable in the heel, and basically guarantee a sprained ankle.
Have they moved the air in that shoe only to the front?! Seemed to work well in the older kiger in the heel. :)
@@EDDBUD no, WH6 & 7 are full React, no Zoom Air at either end. The new Kigers did move the bubble to the front.
Always a pleasure watching your videos. Very entertaining and relaxed. Love it! 🙌👌
Glad you enjoy them! I like exploring the two sides of the discussion. 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️😊
My only exposure to their trademark air zoom air pod is via the Alphafly and for me, it didn't work out. Performance-wise I think the focus should be on midsole compound development and structure. Having said that I think the air zoom pod has a place in Nike shoes, perhaps just not their performance line. Thanks for a great video.👍
I think for some the pods were just too aggressive and only provided a benefit when really pushed hard.
@@EDDBUD Yes, that's very true. Being of slight build and nowhere near elite level, my paces probably don't maximise the potential of the air pod in the Alphafly whereas the Nike Vaporfly Next% is perfecto! The full ZoomX midsole is al dente 😄
I ran some threshold miles last Eve in the next%2 and my legs feel super the next morning! 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️😊
@@EDDBUD I just had a quick look over at my Alphaflys (mango flavoured ones) and one of the air pods is kaput! I didn't even realise until just now. How disappointing as they are my most expensive shoe by a long way.😢 Next%2 ... as per the Mandalorian "this is the way!" 👍
I think if the technology works and its good they should keep using it. I'm not a big fan of just being trendy and doing what everyone else is doing. Nike has always been a great innovator where everyone copied them. Nike is still the trend setter with the knit uppers, the carbon fiber plates, the odd color combinations, etc... It was only adidas with the boost that Nike had to respond to which they did with react and all those non zoom air running shoes. But if anything boost was a godsend to nike because it allowed them to come out with a bunch of shoes that didnt have to utilize zoom air. Its probably a lot cheaper for them to make the shoes like that as well.
Also telling nike to stop using zoom air is like asking asics to stop using gel because they've been using it for too long. Or stop using shoe laces, its been used for too long (and oh yes, Nike do have lace less models). Nike just needs to listen to the consumer better. All these tight, restrictive and uncomfortable uppers and lasts are the reason I havent brought any nike running shoes for a minute. I had the Nike zoom structure shoe and those really did a doosey on my feet and legs. The bad press with Alberto Salazar doping and female athlete abuse is also a big thing. Nike doesnt give a crap, they just want to sell shoes and everyone knows this. That's why everyone stays away from Nike unless they have to. And we have (or had) to with the race day shoes. But now there are many carbon fiber shoes out there that matches nike.
Forget helping Nike, just help these other brands. That's how you make nike response anyways. They dont care.
Just my thought, but I think Nike wanted to keep the Pegasus line affordable and the Zoom X only on premium running shoes. That's why Zoom X is only found on the Next% and the Invincible Run. I think Nike is just running like the top dog. You want our best tech, then you are going to have to pay for it (Next%). If you don't want to pay that much, here's a bunch of mid tier shoes with some of the tech. Those mid tier shoes may never measure up to other competitors shoes. They might have dated tech, but at the end of the day, Nike is going to vastly outsell all those other brands. The main difference is Nike is the absolute king of marketing.
No they need to keep zoom air. I have worn pegs for many, many years and find no issues with them. They work because they don't change much from year to year. I don't want to run in Saucony, or New Balance or anything else out there, just give me the pegasus!! 🙂
I think the change to react was a harsh one to me. I hope the new upper on the peg 38 does the trick. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
They should bring back the flyknit racer, but with react
Edwin. You always have a good suggestion. 👊
Interesting musings, solebrother.
I thoroughly enjoyed this.
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Thanks Amado. I rewrote it twice then finally was happy! 👍🏼🏃🏻♂️😊
You’re a brilliant teacher.
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Just wanted to say I was a proud owner of the Peg One in ‘83.
I love the profile and look of that shoe. Has some subtly to it though I wonder how it looked to people back then? More forwarding thinking I imagine.
@@EDDBUD If I recall, we used to look at that shoe the way we look at the Vaporfly now.
@@MonteComeau All the info I read on e release of that shoe was that it stood out from the crowd and people quickly snapped them up when available. Sounds familiar! 😊
@@EDDBUD Exactly! I remember driving across the border to the US to buy them because they were not available in Canada. Funny how nothing has changed. Nike has been playing by the same book for decades.
Thanks for all the research! Really great content!
I like to present both sides of an argument and always try and understand others points of view. Thanks for tuning in 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
Has the originals in 83 cracking shoe, difficult at the time to get hold of like most of its runners as nikes supply chain was very hit and miss. Early 90's they really messed around with shoe with the pegasus racer tc and a total revamp of the shoe which caused a number of injuries for runners. Another great blog edd.
Hey Edd. Just wanted to provide some personal thoughts. I've owned UB's (older models definitely not runners), Peg 37's, Endorphin Speed, and React Flyknit and some Vapormaxes when they were labeled for running. I noticed that on my runs (I end up with ~500ft incline on my ~4 miles) and react foam ended up hurting my knees on the downhill, but the vapormaxes didn't. So I bought the Peg 37, because they had React + Air. I don't notice the pain from the heavy downhill on my knees. Your video mentioned that 12%, and it made me laugh. But I wonder if that 12% is enough to make it a little more comfortable so that passive performance of the air unit turns into an active performance boost since my knees hurt less.
But I also started wearing some knee braces that resolved it regardless of shoe. But I can say anecdotally, the air units helped me with downhill running, which sounds like that makes sense?
Just adding some more data to the pile. I don't think Zoom Air has had it's day yet, but I dont know the data on impact of Zoom Air vs React and other foams.
The Zoom Air in the Pegasus should have been replaced by the tech in the Turbo line. Highly versatile, more modern tech & they could have called it the ZoomX Pegasus, which would have been nice branding also.
that lady was Joan Benoit Samuelson, one of the greatest American marathoners
A real endorsement to choose the peg over her race shoe. 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD Yeah, she's a Maine'r, it's like the Scousers of America 😂 BTW- Pavement!!! the best band of the 90's, I'm going to pick up my guitar and play Range Life!
Another good music recco Edd! I think Sea Change is just a beautiful Beck/Godrich production.
I've bought that hat after watching this video 🤣
It’s a great hat though I have lost it again today. 🤦🏻♂️😊
unique and well planned VLOG / Topic seems Athlete Beast has awaken thought!
I don't necessarily think it's a thing of the past. I've really enjoyed it being deployed well in the Alphafly and Tempo Next. Those pods with ZoomX provided positively moon bounce levels of responsiveness. And the Peg 37's midsole did have a good amount of pop from the forefoot air, hoping the 38 fixes the upper so the shoe is more versatile. I do think React is getting a bit long in the tooth and could be upgraded to a slightly lighter material for use in more daily trainers, but that's a separate conversation.
Avid subscriber of your channel. Love your passion for everything running and even enjoyed how you called out others in how they were responding to Beth Potter's recent 5k record. Your comment "they had a lady" in regard to the Nike Peg 37 marketing video was obviously a mistake. Describing Joan Benoit [female running icon, first Olympic Marathon winner, Boston and Chicago Marathon winner] as some generic lady runner just didn't sit well for me.
Thanks for pointing that out. My intention there was to show how even a runner considered wearing the shoe for a marathon regardless of their status. I could have even left out the fact she was a lady but she certain has a superb record.I wasn’t belittling her achievements merely moving focus to the shoe and it’s reliability.
This argument, to me, is like saying airplanes are not cool anymore because they've been around so long. Zoom is amazing when done right. You can easily feel more comfort and response with less stack in a shoe with a good implementation of zoom with foam
I agree, in my videos are seldom go all out against something. I like to explore the sides of the argument. The 35 was perfect in upper fit and cushion for me.
The invincible feel like unstable moonboots to me. The Pegasus are uninspired compared to many other brands midsoles(pick any). I’d love to try the next % if my size existed in the continental US😂.
My brother got me a pair of Pegasus 31 that lasted for 2 years. That shoe got me to run lmost every day. Then I got a pair of 34:s, half a size down and tight, which felt lighter and with extreme propulsion and far, far bouncier. I am still waiting for Pegasus to surprise me again. The branding feels old for sure.
If it was finished we would have not seen it in the Tempo and Alpha. It's light and it works good with the foam. I really like the way it works with react too. It gives that little bit of extra cushion and responsiveness. It also makes me think the shoe lasts longer. I took my vomero 11 with front and rear pods to 2000k eventually. The last 500k the foam took a week after each 10k to get back into shape and without the pods I don't think the shoes would have stayed comfortable for the easy runs. I retired these shoes after 4 years.
Now GEL from asics.. that will only be found in heavy supportive shoes five years from now if you ask me. I never really felt it working in faster shoes and tempo runs. Or am I ahead of the topics now?
Turbo 3 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Let’s hope so! Please Nike!
Trying the vomero 14 with full length zoom in react midsole. Havent concluded if its better than react alone.
Interesting they switched that shoe up to forefoot air and ZoomX along with another oddly named foam.
Hey Edd, I'm wondering how you find the zoom air pods in your pair of Lebron 17's. I think zoom air might be outdated in running shoes, but maybe still good for basketball and casual shoes!
That she is amazingly cushioned and very forgiving after some hard running. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
That was really interesting- thank you for your review! It was perhaps inevitable that Nike would lose some of its market dominance after such a very long run. The barriers to entry aren’t nearly as formidable now that nearly any company can tinker with the same EVA at the same manufacturing facilities in China and Vietnam. Enda’s almost immediate success from Kenya (but using mid soles made in China) attests to the remarkable spirit of innovation requiring much less relative capital investment than when Nike and Adidas were literally creating a market.
I find that air zoom units reduce the longevity of shoes. In some of the react shoes that have zoom units, I found that they deflate before the react foam has degraded.
Great vid as always !
Thanks for tuning in double C. 👍🏼😊🏃🏻♂️
I like zoom air(especially is my bball shoes) but to me, it does better at energy absorption vs return. Maybe they can do ZoomX foam and zoom air strobel for peg 39? 🤔
Yes it seems to work better for impact absorption than anything. The larger tensile pods give back a great deal but zoom air is rather different.
@@EDDBUD agreed. However, depends on how the zoom pods are placed. Have a pair of Nike SuperRep which have large zoom pods, I feel almost nothing for return because it’s encased between plastic support piece and firmer outsole.
Keep the Zoom Air! And Bring back my favorite racing flats (Nike Terra TC). We don't need carbon plates, We don't need fly-knit, We don't need more foam, We don't need more energy return! We don't need 3D fit print! Steve Prefontaine, Bill Rodgers, Alberto Salazar, Dick Beardsly, Seb Coe, Ovett and Cram and Nick Rose didn't need it. We need the original waffle outsole! I wish the old Pegasus circa 1982-83 never went away! Don't know you remember the Nike Equator or the Nike Internationalist? When those shoes were discontinued as Nike began to advance their technology I feel they lost a customer base that never returned. I could seemingly never get the same shoe twice and the prices began to climb and there labor standards began to drop. Now I simply do not purchase Nike out of pure spite.
Hey Matt! Love the passion here.
Peg 38 arriving today so will see what the zoom air is like with a better upper. Last years 37 was terrible for upper. Really hot, tight and lockdown was poor. 😊👍🏼🏃🏻♂️
I think your right I also think the same about Hoka’s mid soles the EVA doesn’t last long and at all think they need some tech changes
I’m sure we will see this in some forthcoming Hoka shoes. 👍🏼
Love this
It’s bought about a lot of comments today! I love reading them all! 😂
Looks like zoom air is becoming like asics gel, as long as people use it they will keep on producing them.
Change the strings Nike! Come on!
I like the strings but they keep changing the gauge of them for the sake of it. 😂
Change the frets Nike! Come on!
Nike and my feet are just not getting along very well. My latest try - Terra Kiger 5 - came on cost of a toenail. Nope, not for me in the near future ... but the history is quite impressive.
Air Zoom (Nike), Boost (Adidas) & Gel (ASICS)...past time to move on from them.
I still can't understand why nike hasn't after 3 years of skechers having a nitrogen infused midsole. Why haven't nike come out with their own iteration of it? Brooks did, puma and many more to follow. Maybecsomething is in the works but redact doesn't do anything for me.
Air Max were very popular in the 1990s
Super popular here. Love my retro air max 3.
I looked it up, Nike has sold over 60 million Nike Pegasus shoes? The switch to React was a big change. That is their running shoe cash cow. You're right though, no one who runs in the Razor 3 would ever buy the Pegasus again. I actually liked the Waffle Racers so much, I used them on all sorts of training runs back about 10 years ago
Afternoon
1st comment :)
Im not feeling the new one coming up in 2021, the same technology but worst upper. I don't like the half swoosh or empty in the middle swoosh. I like a full swoosh, so everyone knows I'm using a Nike shoe when running. I like the classical look to shoes, I can use it with any outfit, not just running.
I actually prefer the peg 37 more that the ultra boost
The latest boost is quite a heavy beast.
i progressed to the first Peg after a couple of pairs of Intrepids…can still remember the feeling when i first put them on in the sports shop…only the Turbo has rekindled that feeling since
I love that feeling. Though Nike are smart with always using a soft insole!
Apart from the Pegasus 37, what other shoes are the best for road & light trail - I mean that you can use on both?
Deliberate nod to Garth's Reebok look in Wayne's World?
We have been watching that film. Good spot 👊😂
They say " ZOOM" because of the "zoomX" foam. Kinda the other end of the alphabet from springy pods
I love zoom air for basketball. I hope it stays.
My Lebron 17 are insanely cushioned.
@@EDDBUD You hoop edd?? Or just lifestyle? Either way 17s are a gem
It's time the Pegasus had a break from its yearly update.
I think it’s the typical Nike 2 iteration midsole this time round.
Nigel Godrich was an awesome recommendation , but did you really have to mention wonderwall? I hate that song (was never an Oasis fan to be honest).
I mention it as it’s been overplayed and I don’t even hear it as a song anymore!
Never tried anything with zoom air :( am I missing out?
Maybe, it’s an interesting feel though I swap the insoles out to a thinner variant to feel it more.
foam: it is the little bubbles of nothing (air - a mixture of gases) that really make it something. hoka uses a foam 'spring' sort of thing. all foams utilise 'air'. basically. they mess around with densities, to achieve various levels of springiness and squishiness. get a variety of 'ideal' combinations of those two qualities and ya git the right shooo for yooo. i believe the most comfy seat cushions utilise multiple densities of foam. so you get the best of both worlds. soft and plush as well as firmer and supportive. but with shoosies you want a bit of bounce. I've found that a slightly thicker (slightly squishy) insole does the trick for me on the firmer bouncy midsole materials, the air zoom 'airbag' ..still works imo. plus there is the opportunity to use such airpocketty things with newer foams as well....don't throw the baby out with the bath water.. or something.
4 elements:
squish (insole)
bouncy/springy midsole - perhaps even a layer of squishy foam if it also has some bounce to it.
midsole support (perhaps a higher density or just the right foam....for element no. 2)?
outsole grip/durability - higher density rubberised lugs etc.
most shoes don't get the combo of these elements exactly right. and the weight of the runner is a factor. every shoe i get that is not quite right i can think of what would make it better either for a nimble ground feel shoe, OR a more springy and cushioned one. some max cushion shoes are just all wrong. and some are just right. same same with the nimble ground feel shoes.
Also: I think sometimes the zoom air thing could be bouncier - vomero 13's seemed to have a bit more bounce to it than other air zoom implementations. perhaps there was just more airbag in that one compared with some others...and no doubt less than in yet other ones.
Pegasus 39 ............forefoot nylon plate on a zoom pillow surrounded by react
My air unit in my right peg 37 has gone flat. How does that happen?
Thom Yorke❤️👍🏻🏃🏼♂️
Can I get a link to buy that hat please Edd??
It’s a Nike trail wind hat from their website. Pretty sure they still do them.
Don't say "wonderwall". I had a co-worker that had that on her playlist and would hear it about 2-3x a day. I would leave work wanting to shove a red hot poker into my ears. Just overplayed. Hopefully the peg won't go down that road.
I can only hope you never have to hear it again! 👍🏼
I want to know how air and zoomx feels.
It’s great in the alphafly.
lol we talking like Pegasus is the only shoe Nike makes... isn’t their zoomx and carbon plate subject to “super shoe” debate? are we going to act like react isn’t a game changer for foam durability? Pegasus is just one line and zoom air works. everyone else are chasing Nike
Zoom air hasn’t appeared in too many shoes of recent time aside from the Pegasus. I like the feel but I see less and less people rocking them.
I think zoom air is still beneficial to running shoes unless they find a better alternative
I think it has its place, but the constant switching around is irritating. They know it works in the rear so why move it?!
I hope its not finished a technology. My Peg36 Trail and Zoom Elite 10 are my favourite shoes.
oh yes
4th today :)
I think they should put helium or hydrogen in the air pod. That way it would make the shoe that much lighter. But not too much or it would float away.
🤣 so thats why my puma nitros are alway stuck to the ceiling!
They Aravind
1st/Last.🤣
3rd today! Bronze medal
Wonderwall : in AUS, ABBA's Fernando stayed #1 for something like 7-8 weeks straight.......it played soooo much into everyone's brains that, too much of a good thing, it fatigued ABBA from the population psyche.....and that was that, no more ABBA.
So, yes, too much IS TOO MUCH......everything in moderation.
As for Nike, THEY'D BE BONKERS not to release Peg39 with upgrade of full ZoomX, no air pods and a 20/27 midsole.....and pitch as the very finest shoe for ALL parkrunners....... it'd steal share BACK TO NIKE for a decade.
Try in Excess of 12 weeks for Fernando?! Or did it just seem like forever? They stopped bothering to play the video at the end of 'Countdown' after a while. Not sure if that ever happened for another song.
@EDDBUD As for the Nike Peg. I tried a few pairs in the 80s/ 90s, but always found they had too little forefoot cushioning. The Peg racer TC (?) worked for me though, for a while.
First?
2nd today :) Podium finish
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Nike trainers are trash, so is react.
Everyone now creates better trainers than Nike, and they are holding on to ZoomX by a thread to save themselves that is why they released the cumbersome Invincible because they don't have an alternative to other brands and the other brands are now destroying Next% records around the world.
The writing is on the wall, change or be left behind but they have their marketing to save their mediocre products.