The Chunky Dutchman That Time Forgot | Fokker T.IV [Aircraft Overview #74]
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Today we're looking at the Fokker T.IV. This forgotten aircraft saw service in the Dutch East Indies, a theatre of the second world war which is often overlooked in terms of aircraft. It was advanced for its time when it entered service in the 1920s, but it was sadly obsolete by the time it was pressed into action.
Sources:
Wesselink.T (1982), De Nederlandse vliegtuigen (Dutch Edition) - geni.us/oCwxP8E
Hegener.H (1961), Fokker: The Man And The Aircraft - geni.us/wpV9
Womack.T (2006), The Dutch Naval Air Force Against Japan - geni.us/tEKij
Photos courtesy of Collection Netherlands Institute of Military History
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Q: Do you take aircraft requests?
A: I have a list of aircraft I plan to cover, but feel free to add to it with suggestions:)
Q: Why do you use imperial measurements for some videos, and metric for others?
A: I do this based on country of manufacture. Imperial measurements for Britain and the U.S, metric for the rest of the world, but I include text in my videos that convert it for both.
Q: Will you include video footage in your videos, or just photos?
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A: Sometimes there are not a lot of photos available for certain aircraft, so I substitute this with digital images that are as accurate as possible.
Feel free to leave you questions below - I may not be able to answer all of them, but I will keep my eyes open :)
How about the planes used in the film The Flight of The Phoenix? (The proper version with James Stewart of course).
Thanks once more again my friend......Your friend......Shoemaker🇺🇸
Keep up the great work, awesome videos, and storytelling
Junker JU87 Stuka mate
10 points for this title !😂
Reality appreciate the use of metric.
I feel like in the inter-war years it was often enough to be solidly competent, considering how many half-baked or downright horrific designs were fielded by nearly every nation around the world.
Why did planes look like they are about to fall apart back in the 20's?
@@freddiecunningham2860 1920s avionics was indeed a weird time!
@@freddiecunningham2860 Cause everything was bloody heavy in the 20s.
Duraluminum was a more exotic material than mahogany, thin wall tubing rare and not particularly thin, and seats heavy and upholstered.
Combined with the relatively weak engines of the time, the engineers desperately needed to safe weight, without having the proper means to do so.
@@kilianortmann9979 😂😂😂.
You underestimate how hard it is to develop a decent plane.
With paper and pens and smaller models. They worked their ass off , bad plane design or not
T-IV’s were also used to support a scientific expedition to the interior of New Guinea. Uncharted lakes were discovered and named after T-IV pilots, like the Wissel Lakes (now known as Paniai Lakes).
Since you mentioned it, it might be nice to do a feature on the Fokker T.VIII, one of the few aircraft to be flown by both the Luftwaffe and the RAF during WWII in the same role and theatre.
Excellent video on an obscure plane!
This just seems to be the story of a rather trusty, durable, and deceivingly nimble aircraft that plodded on against a lot of odds, not the least of which being obsolete. Too bad they could not be flown to safety. Only 30 some odd made eh? It is a unique looking, and rather whimsical appearing machine to be honest.
Anything that can fly reliably, in the harsh conditions of 1930s Asia, so far away from the factory, for so long is notable.
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maybe i watched too much porco rosso, but i can't help to love interwar medium flying boats and floatplanes. they're the closest thing to flying ships and the specifically the symmetry of twin engines twin floats is always pretty to me.
I9
What are your thoughts on the Short Singapore or Saunders-Roe London? :D
@@athelwulfgalland the singapore push an pull is really cool.
the SR london is more conventional tho.
however both have their floats in the extremes as they're true flying boats.
i was thinking more like the heinkel floatplanes (59,115) with their twin catamaran floats.
but true flying boats (AKA with boat hulls) are of course amazing too
@@ernstschmidt4725 Ah I see! Yeah, flying boats have always intrigued me. (Do-26, Do-18, Do-24, etc.) Float planes are pretty cool too though. Have you seen a Ju-52 on a pair of floats?!
There's a four engine bent-winged-bird that was originally used as a mail plane, called the Blohm und Voss Ha-139, that went on to serve with the Luftwaffe as a recon plane, transport & mine sweeper. Wiki that thing! It's a sharp piece of work. The He-114 was pretty nice as well. We can't go without talking German float planes without mentioning the Arado Ar-196 of course!
Of course when I start thinking of German planes of that period, that spent time with the water, I immediately start thinking of the Bv-138, Bv-222 & Bv-238. That reveals my penchant for flying boats though. The French had some really interesting ones too - for that matter.
It's a bit outside of the usually considered flying boats and just missed the interwar period, but I'm partial to the Vought-Sikorsky VS-300...it takes off and lands in water, and only slightly more likely to kill you doing it.
Yeah, my rotor craft specialist is showing, but I think it's beautiful, like a train wreck, I know it shouldn't exist, but couldn't ignore it if I wanted too. If to unrefined to be memorable, than the shear insanity of deciding a aircraft, still being developed in 1941, doesn't have enough working against it, so adds water.
Guess it could make crashes when the laughable fuel capacity is depleted safer maybe 🤔, especially when extra is required to overcome the retention force of water taking off.
Awesome to see you covering a Dutch aircraft. I've always loved the weird look of the T.IV. 32 built seems like not much, but was pretty normal for a Dutch order at the time. We didn't have more than 30-40 aircraft of the same type usually.
Wow!... I bet I will be waiting a VERY long time to see this released in 1/48 or 1/72! I'd buy one! Damn thing is so homely it's irresistible!
A short run 1/72 resin model was released long ago, might be 25 years. Still need to finish it, real life interfering.
Get a 3d printer.
That's what I was thinking. Just a homely looking, and seemingly trusty machine. Aside from the one incident with the new commander. I would have loved a model of this odd looking but endearing looking machine.
Well, as a kid, I had a 1/72 scale model Supermarine Walrus. So sheer klunkiness is no barrier to making a model out of it. The Plane with a Paunch...instant lovability.
Love the old "Shagbat" too!@@MVC670
Another(!!!!) Seaplane??? Rex you spoil us with these absolute gems.
I had a gun youtuber, a tank youtuber, then a ship youtuber, i now have aircraft. The list is complete. Great content!
Check out the channel Gregs Planes And Automobiles; its interesting hearing about aircraft from the perspective of a pilot
One of my favorite channels
It is very good
I LOVE those old observation windows!
Just fantastic!
Super video, which came out just as I'm going to study Aeronautical Engineering in the Netherlands!
Locking forward to your furthering of the great aviation heritage of the Netherlands.
@@anzaca1 Thanks, so am I!
succes met je opleiding!!
The photos and film you provide are always period correct and a true delight to see because I know I'm not likely to see them anywhere else. Excellent work and always appreciated.
Thanks, Rex.
As always , another interesting tale of the history of aircraft ! Thank you for making this happen !
Awesome video! I would've never even heard of this thing without you!
Ditto. Not the first time, and I doubt the last.
Thank you for another informative video about an aircraft that I did not even know existed. Watching your channel is always a learning experience.
Best title ever!
Thanks for a fascinating video.
Shining a light on a corner of history that I hadn’t heard of before.
Another fantastic video! Thanks!
Really cool video, as ever! Thanks Rex 😊
Keep up the good work. Thank you for adding the Imperial measuring units into the video. It saves a lot of quick math and makes the video more enjoyable.
Planes like this are why I subscribed to your channel, keep up the good work!( And the good jokes.. the one about the ventral gunner taking shots at submarines got me laughing out loud)
Great video , from a chunky Dutchman
Great vid! Love to see vid's about the other Fokker seaplanes and/or bombers.
a lot of videos of such an old plane have been preserved, this is good.
They were unsung heroes.
The Fokkers?
well done nice short video about a forgotten plane,
great video
The video and info are great and all. But that thumbnail and title alone are worth the algorithm clicks! It made my day, quite glad this gem popped-up in my suggested feed.
Thanks again for making us a bit smarter.
Thank you.
Thanks!
I see what you did with that title in the thumbnail, and I give a hearty chuckle.
A video on the T.VIII would be cool, what with the Free Dutch use from Pembroke Dock.
Love what you do I even like your obsession with ugly aircraft. Keep up the great job.
Thank you
Hey Rex. I love your content. I have a bit of an offer for you. My great grandfather served in the First World War for America. He was a military photographer, and we still have many of his photos. While his service history is still quite unknown, he took many pictures of aircraft, some incredibly obscure and many experimental. Including one of only a few pictures of a monoplane called the sopwith swallow. Most of the photos seem to have been taken at Chanute Air Force base, but he may have taken some elsewhere. I would love to share some of these photos with you because I’m sure you would find them very interesting, is there any place I can send them to? Email or something? It’s up to you. Thanks for the awesome content.
Best vid title ever
The writing, editing & content are all great. The only thing I noticed is the presence of a smooth, painted, in corner of the room or a very, very small room with bare walls.
It's the first thing I thought of as you started talking.
It may not be a thing that bothers you. It's just that your recording space is doing more than colour your audio, it's actually giving a fair old chunk of reverb.
Apart from that small thing I'm loving this channel & the aircraft you're showing us. Cheers Rex! Much appreciated mate 😃
Thank you for covering a Dutch plane!
Best title so far !
Love the title!
I appreciate when you put the numbers on screen. (even in french I have to pause to figure out "how much")
Youre up there with Mustard when it comes to quality and content!
I am amazed. I thought the Dutch are only really good at building hand long tapered paper tubes with funny stuff inside. Respect.
best thumbnail I've ever seen
The Fokker T VIII, was a capable aircraft deserving a future video. Please?🙂
Like the episode about Fokker airplanes, I would appreciate some attention to the G.I as well.
Interesting little aircraft
LOL solid thumbnail 👌
The old soldier that takes his rifle sits by the window and tells the youngens to run and and come avenge them after they have prepared.
My local aviation museum just finished restoring the one and only remaining Fairchild Pilgrim. It is an unusual looking aircraft, and my search for information on this 1930s oddity, has turned up little. I would LOVE if you did a video on it.
I must comment just to applaud the title/thumbnail combo.
0:51 🤣 That plane ! (especially the exhaust)
The saying "One Fat Fokker" had me on the ground before I even watched the video 😅😂🤣
Australia out of range? I'd have given it a try. Better than being captured by the Japanese.
probably nowhere to find aircraft fuel between java and timor
Fill the bomb bay with fuel, and give it a go. Fly at most economical speed and altitude, you'll get a chance to land and refuel... worth a shot.
The nearest suitable location in Australia was Broome and the Japanese noted where the evacuating flying boats were headed and mounted a significant raid which nearly wiped out every flying boat in Northern Australia. The flying boats that survived were pulled out and sent South then anticlockwise around Australia to Queensland. Around this time a Top Secret Flying Boat Repair Facility was established at Lake Boga in Victoria, not far from the rail line to Mildura. It was here on the edges of a lake 3 miles by 2 miles with a sandy snag free lake that flying boats in the Australian/South West Pacific Theatre could undertake heavy maintenance and repairs free from the threat of attacks by carrier borne aircraft. Engines and other items requiring overhaul, repair or replacement parts could be supported by industry based in Melbourne and items and personnel shipped by rail service from Melbourne. There is small museum located in the former Communications Bunker and various static and video displays. A Catalina flying boat is permanently mounted on display outside.
Mark from Melbourne Australia
@@markfryer9880 Good Onya Mark, what a delightfully complete piece of history that many Aussies need to know about. Most Sandgropers know of the Catalinas based in Matilda Bay but not of the repair facilities you've described.
@@mikepette4422 You'll get part of the way. Swim the rest, if you know how badly the Japanese would behave.
@Rex's Hangar >>> 👍👍
Those Fokker float-planes looked like sturdy work-horses, Rex.
After almost 41 years at Fokker I didn't forget about it 😉
I gave you a thumbs up just for the title. I'll give the video a watch now 🤣
Workman-like and steady are still virtues, if not glorious.
I hadn't realized just how much the Cyclone got around in the 30s.
Top tier title in the thumbnail 😂
Could you do a piece on the Piaggio Pegna Pc7 please?
I do love the between war Fokkers.
Can you do a video on the Fokker G1, another relatively unknown Fokker plane
yeah easy to overlook what you don;t hear much about!! like the new specs graphics format!!
When ever i see these old biplanes especially the wierder ones i think of the magnificent men in their flying machines wallpaper i had as a kid. It was all the cartoons from the film credits.
Nice 1 Rex, you doin well. Ya don't havta run round wid ya arse or ya wings on fire/s to be bludy good huh!
You should 100000% make a video on the Zeppelin-Staaken R.VI
Now you have to do the Fokker T.V Now that is a chonky Boi
It seems like it was a decent bomber (and aerial cruiser) for its time to be honest. The forward gunner wielded a 20 mm canon.
With a title like that - immediate thought - Rex's Hanger. lol
Several of these planes (together with Dornier Wal seaplanes) were also used to end the mutiny on HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën in 1933.
Future topic suggestion: P-61 Black Widow.
First aircraft designed specifically to be a night fighter.
Looked down upon at the start of its career and considered inferior to the Mosquito, until a competition where the P-61 smoked the Mosquito in every lane of performance despite being the size of a B-25 bomber.
And technically the P-61 shot down the last axis aircraft before the surrender of Japan, by maneuver kill.
First US aircraft to successfully demonstrate the concept of ejection seats (using captured German equipment).
Any chance of vid on Conwing L-16 seaplane?
Last night i was thinking that I really want to see a video on this plane
This is awesome lol
Did you read Dutch language sources as well, or only English language sources?
Can you do a video about the Dutch KOOLHOVEN airplanes?
More Dutch planes please?
Most hilarious title! 😂
0:57 That Banyan tree exhaust demands that I ask...is that a rotary lying on its _back?_
Forgive a wild idea. The shape of f the rear lower fuselage, if the torpedo was carried internally, might be wide enough for the torpedo to be dropped to the rear rather than conventionally down wards. In the Swordfish for a contemporary comparator or the Catalina the munition was suspended from clamps which opened to release the load cleanly downwards.
Problems included the shock damage to the torpedo as the munition hit the sea surface nose first and damage to the aircraft from the powerful splash . To that extent torpedo use favoured the flying boats and float planes. These marine aircraft had the structure strong enough to cope with a water landing and thus could handle the splash. In the case of the swordfish a wire could be tensioned from the munitions nose to a. strong point on the plane aa it reeled out under tension it delayed and reduced the impact speed thus allowing the tor5pedo to tevel out near the surface without exceeding 5 fathoms depth.
HOw to ;laumch a gtorpoedo bckwards (one idea)
So take one Swordfish. one with arrestor wire . Make a Tin Can 18" wide and as ;long as the torpedo. in fact make that up to 4' longer than the torpedo itself bit clear clear the tail wheel etc. Rib reinforced small panels = much like the Swordfish geodetic structure. At the front of the Tin Can is a baffle.
The Tin Can is a torpedo tube Load it find the enemy and engage.
Launch : release the torpedpo clamps the Tin Can expoands roto it' s full 19 or 24 " width (there was an overlap)
Tge torpedo will be held by the nod on its ineia resl anb suspended in the midlle f the tube by the ame Berbnouill forces that lift jumbo jets (and Swordfish aircraft). Befor it was beiong suported efgfi ientll by wings, now ineffivcytlyu bu the tmn Can. Pwrhaposv 1.5 sdecinds afteer the sprungb reeel ends a pair of dhears kintrnal to the tootrprd ciurts the hawser at a buiolt in wesak pint.
The torpedo will be pushed backwards, ejectd by the ;prtesuee differwbce vthwe wire was bearing at the momeng of beiing cut.
'll rycalulatioonson this later, for now I don't know. udt swilfc xspeculatuikkion pogf vcodarse
What are those single-engined floatplanes at 8:40? This is not a type I've ever seen before!
I had forgotten how, I'll call it robust, initial hand turned wooden props were during aviation's teething interwar period. I hate to imagine the chuck of steel required to force the initial boat paddles to beat the air into submission, without shaking the wings off.
So the fokker has a cockpit hmmm
Otherwise some feedback:
- Having graphic intros for the first few seconds tends to hurt retention so I'd look into that
- Once you hear the gaspy breathing between sentences it becomes really hard to ignore, so it could be worth editing those out
You see those headers that went straight up & joined at the top... I "SEE" why that didn't catch on...at 51seconds
I really need to dig Indonesian aviation history more. Aside from the usual F.VII and D.XXI around at that time, I never heard about this plane.
although i dont think any made it to indonesia, you should look at the Fokker G1.
"Wright Cyclones"! Does this ubiquitous power plant, or the Wright range, and history need a video or 2?
Probably long overdue as there was an extensive range of different sizes available and an impressive list of aircraft powered by the engines.
Good puns
"Chunky Dutchman" sounds like it should be name for either a drink, a dessert, or a packaged snack having fifteen gazillion calories from sugar.
Lol for the title wordplay 🙂
Are those Ryan STA or STM on floats at 8+46?
yep
Noticed that too. Very rare seeing them on floats.
4 blade prop at 5:10 !?!?
Many years ago, at Broome in Western Australia, I was on a trip diving along the coast when a local told me of a “Squadron” of Dutch “Flying Boats” that Japanese Zeros had caught on the water and sunk. We dived and there were the carcasses of at least 4 of them, corrosion was so bad you could literally have torn them apart with your bare hands. A lot of good memories of that trip, the fish we caught and ate. It was the first time I’d come across systemised racists in Austral as well, the Police were thugs who beat the back males and raped the black females.
Did I miss the Grumman Albatross
For some reason I'm imagining Ben Stiller promoting this plane
I always hoped that Fokker did a plane and called it mother…or little 🤣
I guess you could call this one the Fat Fok. 😅
The legend reminded me of the old joke ...'Quite right madam, but those three Fokkers were Messerschmitts.....
I think it strange that the specs issued by government authorities mandated the number of crew members. Why not simply state the performance and operational requirements and let the aircraft companies come up with designs that met those needs with as few crew members as possible? This would have helped minimise exposure of valuable crew to risk, reduce the weight and cost of the aircraft and make training more efficient. I could understand it if the spec was an upper limit, but they always seem to be stated as a target number that must be met, as if the authorities knew how to design aircraft better than the company experts did.