Racism In The Metal Scene: A Discussion With Jason Aalon Butler, Laina Dawes, & Ethan McCarthy
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- On this special episode of Last Words, Jason Aalon Butler (Fever 333), Ethan McCarthy (Primitive Man, Vermin Womb, & Many Blessings) and Laina Dawes (founder of Women Clap Back & author of 'What Are You Doing Here? A Black Woman's Life and Liberation in Heavy Metal') speak with The Pit's Editorial Director Cat Jones about life as a Black metalhead and the racism they have experienced in the metal community.
Director & Producer: Katie Rose Leon
Editorial Director: Cat Jones
Executive Producers: Kevin Hofman & Scott Cherkin
Guests:
Jason Aalon Butler (Fever 333)
Laina Dawes (Author, Founder of Women Clap Back)
Ethan McCarthy (Primitive Man, Vermin Womb, Many Blessings)
Host:
Cat Jones
MacGuyver of All Things Video: Drew Kaufman
Editor: Drew Kaufman
Music Composer: Jordan Olds
Technical Producer: Johnny Esposito
Marketing: Aaron Neigher & Erika Olsen
Legal: Keith O'Connor
Graphics: Cynthia Perez
Photo of Laina Dawes by Justina Villanueva
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I appreciate how Cat is allowing y’all to tell our story.
I'm a black goth and metalhead. I've been into metal for a decade. I never had any problems. I never been to a concert. I prefer listening from home than going to concerts. 🤘 Metal is my life. There are many bands with black people, Sevendust, Oceano, Killswitch Engage had Howard Jones, Unlocking The Truth, Black Pantera and many more... I listen to metal whether they are a white band, or a black band. It doesn't matter 🤘
It’s one thing to listen to it from the comfort and safety of your home.
Go to a few concerts then come back and tell us how it went.
@@77Creation Sure, np. Thanxs for the feedback 🤘🏽😅
@77Creation you're in way more danger at a hip hop concert😂😂😂
@@thesloth944 I've been to a lot of metal AND Hip Hop concerts. What Hip Hop concert exactly did you attend that made you feel unsafe?
@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385 first of all, you're a very talented musician and I hope people check it out. Second, you need to check out the live experience. There is nothing like the adrenaline of throwing down in the mosh pit. If you ever want to check out a show in Illinois or Wisconsin, let me know and if I'm not booked that night, we'll link up.
I was so psyched to see Primitive Man but the tour got canceled, after this I'm supporting them soo much more than I used to. Been a long time fan of Jason Butler's projects (since Fake History) and I will continue to support his message for years to come. I need to get her book and continue to read her body of work!
Primitive Man just announced a new album today!
@@SanskarWagley I just saw that and pre-ordered it through Relapse
"when people say they don't want to talk about politics in metal, what they really mean is they don't want to talk about racism, sexism or any of the other -isms in the outside world" a-fucking-men Laina!
Laina's comment at 52:10 about publications being hesitant to discuss real issues is correct and it frustrates me. I do not understand the allure of reading the same dull hype stories and the recycled interview questions from metal media? Why wouldn't writers look to engage the artists and the community in real world issues?
Yeah, music is escapist to a degree, but metal less than most and most metal is overtly a reaction to experiences/perceptions of oppression or conflict. It's an inherently political art form in many many cases (maybe not power metal, I'll give ya that).
Anyone wanting to bury their head and ignore the real world by listening to metal is barking up the wrong tree i reckon.
On that note though, Astral Noize keep it real.
"I do not understand the allure of reading the same dull hype stories and the recycled interview questions from metal media? " - go on any major metal group on fb and see where you get if you mention anything real or even post any obviously left wing band, you'll get ridiculed. people aren't morons, so they won't go against the grain because they don't wanna lose their audience. there's so much push back against discussion of anything serious because of corporate media's limp dicked attempts at appealing to advertisers, which is conflated with actual left wing ideas. people think political correctness came from marx ffs.
This has been my fight since I can remember. Whenever I'd tell people I'm a singer, the first question they'd ask is "what style-Jazz, R&B"? With a slight spirk on my face my response was/is " I have no limitations on which genre I wish to deliver lyrics, I actually embrace Rock & Metal". I love seeing the reaction as I bell out a song they wouldn't think I've been listening to for years! Typically it's "Closer" By NIN = Nine Inch Nails! just for the thrill of helping to expand their musical perspective and the stereotypical BS that comes with a sista who's into metal in all forms without them thinking I have an identity crisis or have some dyer need in wanting to be white. Which has nothing to do with my personal preferences.
We need a whole series to discuss racism in the metal scene. Love this!
Damn right!
Hardcore racist anti feminist and only certain people can listen to it
Mad Respect to Primitive Man. Truly one of the best bands out there and Ethan seems like an authentic dude. This was a great conversation and necessary
Thank you for this video! Keep sharing!!!!
One of the original members of 🇬🇧Judas Priest🎸 is a half-black man, drummer named Bongo something.
I agree with Y’ALL. This is why I started my own company because we need to have representation both executive and managerial.... 🤘🏿🤟🏿✊🏿👊🏿🌹💯
Very important and informative discussion. Thank you for this. I can only try my best to be an ally, but ultimately we need the voices of actual racialized people on the forefront of the issue.
Thank you so much for taking the time to speak over this very sensitive topic. It was 110% needed. Thank you to the artists that put themselves in the spotlight to talk about this. Primitive Man slays \m/
I’m from Detroit so I feel where Jason’s coming from.
Laina, your book is great!
I love this conversation and I'm glad to be witnessing it. I can really relate.
Hell yeahhhh, Laina!
This is powerful. I'm grateful to have heard it
Thank you for making this video. I grew up on Metal in the 90s and I've become pretty uncomfortable with some of the things I've learned more recently causing me to seek out material like this to hear from people of colour. I'm going to order Laina's book right now!
Thank you.
This!!! So much this!!! Thank you for doing this. BIPOC are so important in the metal scene
Holy shit, this is the most important conversation I have ever heard in the metal scene to date. This is why I got into metal, for fucking justice. Laina, Ethan and Jason, thank you so much for your honesty, intellect and dignity in this conversation. I'm a white man and more white men need to be hearing your words and putting in the work to change the metal scene so that yourselves and those effected by racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia and all other -isms and -phobias can express themselves safely in this culture. I'm in and I'm sorry it took so long.
I’ve been into metal, punk rock, hardcore music since the late 90s. I’ve never encountered any racism at shows and I use to go to A LOT. I even dated society 1 lead singer for a few years, At the same time I’m from southern Cali Los Angeles, which is nothing compared to a rural area I’m sure. When I first started going to shows for a few years I was the ONLY black person and I’d see skinheads there but none ever messed with me. Back then there was a band called ZAO and at the time they had a black bass player and I thought it was so awesome. I would wear my BAD BRAINS shirt with pride, and thought it was so badass that DK’s drummer was black. Absolutely loved when James Spooner came out with his doc Afropunk. To be honest I got the most shit from my own race back in the late 90s early 2000’s for having my musical tastes but i now know it was b/c they couldn’t understand how i could be into that music. Back then to me it was like everyone had to stay in your music lanes. I’m happy that in this day in age it seems like it doesn’t matter what you look like you can like what you like without getting shit for it. a few years I started to see black people like 1-3 people and if there were any girls I was drawn to them like a magnet and we would be talking all night like instant best friends ☺️
Ok Cat, I’m fucking with you.
GREAT conversation
Black is beautiful. 🖤
PREACHHHHH!!! 😂👊🏿✊🏿🤘🏿🤟🏿
I started my own music and entertainment company called Tainted Novelty Music & Entertainment, LLC. My company is created for Black/Brown/POC/LBGT/Women/Marginalized Rock/Metal/Punk Bands and Content Creators of Horror, Sci-Fi, Fantasy Films, Games, TV shows. Books, Magazines, Social Media, Graphic Novels and Comics.
0:18 "The metal community has come together and supported black lives matter"?! All the metalheads I know supported Black Metal Matters.
Nah. I'm a techno head now.
Screw sex drugs and rock n roll. Imma go drink some water.
8:30 Calls her neighbors racist and then immediately uses a derogatory term based on racial characteristics that is often used to dismiss the poor working class.
We're off to a good start here 🙄
Who calls a 1st grader a N word? Was she supposed to be cordial? Polite? If so, why?
Okay.
Heavy metal is white music and now black people try to make heavy metal looks like black music.
Racism is part of creativity in heavy metal.
Gene simmons is a jewish but attended at lemmy's funeral even though he knows lemmy collected iron cross that looks like nazy symbol.
Dimebag had confederate guitar but pantera still have black fans.
Why black people always sensitive? Don't bring your sensitivity in hip-hop to heavy metal.
I'm south-east asian, not white
25:39 dude said chinks in armor. He's racist.
Stop it
Eff N words
Oh no this is so offensive, I'm crying like there's no tomorrow
@Groseiller groseille Like I was trying to offend people. N words are the lowest form of life on the planet and that's just the way it is.
@@samizdat113 Since when calling a black person the n word isn't to offend them ? I swear y'all racists always find new creative ways to be illogical and dumb. Racist people have mental illness according to medical professionals that makes y'all hate and think some illogical things so basically your brain doesn't work normally. So how why would you think you are right if you can't think logically?
@@samizdat113 why do you hate black people so much? I had racist encounters with them but not enough to hate
You'd never say it outside, in person, coward.
hey how about you talk about music instead of social issues, this isn't interesting its a buzzkill.
Lets discuss Black Supremacist themes in Hip Hop. Lets discuss the 5%ers and the Nation of Islam. Lets start with the Wu Tang Clan, because their platform for spreading hatred is a lot bigger than Grand Belials Key is. Lets talk about Lord Jamar and his overt hatred, because his platform is a lot bigger than Absurd's is. Lets talk about Billionaire Jay-Z's 5% chain he wears, because his platform is a lot bigger than Arghoslent's is.
Weak logic
@@1.--_--.1 You don't want to discuss Black Supremacist themes in mainstream music?
@ctrl8337 what's that got to do with metal? Let's talk racism in metal mf
White ppl rap, make beats, etc, whatever so what's your point? Black ppl accept diversity in hip hop as well as other genres of music. You wanna be a nazi, ok, that's fine, but we don't have to accept it. FU
The Asiatic Black Man is God. And black music birthed heavy metal 🤡