I´ve been using them just recently on a really old AXA 4-axis mill to machine clampingcovers that have a brutal Rm of 1100-1300 N/mm (cant remember what the material was called, sorry) and these expansion clamps just HOLD TIGHT .
Thank you. One thing I always do is try to think of all the “problems” I might have with what I am doing. I know that if I can solve those up front then I will have a much easier time when I actually make the part. Thanks for watching
Whoa! I know exactly what that nitronic flange goes to. And how stupid expensive it cost! No room for mistakes. When it comes to machining , it's a small world after all. Kudos Titan for getting the contract! 😉
I'd like to see more about those expansion pins. How do you machine them? Screw all the way? What size compared to hole should it have? We would love to see some more of this "know how" in education videos :)
Why did you do the second op on the first machine? Wouldn't it have been better to face and profile the part and put in the 4 bolt holes than just bolt the part down on the 5 axis with 2 bolt diagonal from eachother and counter bore the other 2 holes then bolt it down from those holes and then counter bore the remaining 2 holes and then finish bolting it down and do all the remaining machining for the fixture on the 5 axis, saving a operation and entire setup ? Maybe im missing it here. Either way jessie you got some skills man you should make more videos this boys talent!
That’s Awesome… Its all about understanding the variables and ingredients. Some do… which breeds confidence and some don’t which breeds stress… Even if you don’t know… you can learn easily with the right mindset. BOOM!
Those are not location pins, they are expansion pins, so the pins will expand and grab onto the holes of the part, the more pins that grab the part the better
Hey Titans: Standardization : use the same 3 jaws chuck in your late into your 5 axis mill it is a small investment that will put you ahead of the competition.... Save money on time, stop wasting programing and start saving space consuming custom fixture. Soft Jaws all the way BB. I am an expert in 9 axis machine and I've never needed a custom fixture in my 10 years of machining. We just use soft jaws in a 120 millions cells.
At 1:30 did you use that endmill to make that shallow pocket so that there were not any radii interfering with the part in that bottom corner? I've been wondering if that's something I should be doing.
Depends on what you are doing. The stellram shell mill I am using here is a 90 degree tool capable of machining up to shoulders and has a taller insert. The Dodeka shell mills are 45 degree. They won’t be able to machine a shoulder but the increased lead angle will be freer cutting and will create a chip thinning action so you can increase feeds and also achieve great finishes.
Usually you use whatever you have in the machine. Most places will standardize tools for certain machines so you know what you have available in that specific machine. If anything it’s the inserts that matter the most.
I am building a fixture using these for the 1st time this week! Do I need a seperate rabbit feature to locate on? I was just gonna use the pins themselves.
Depends on the tolerances. If you are hitting a super tight true position or profile tolerance to something that is machined on the previous op then you may need to either locate two of the holes with a round pin and diamond locator pins and hold the holes to a tight tolerance or locate off of the datum like I have here with the center bore. But to be honest if you machine the holes and the expansion pins to a tight tolerance then they will surprise you how well they will locate. Most of the time these are all I used to locate in the past.
If it did, they could easily have re-probed the machined surfaces after the big shell mill removed most of the top material, and might have forgotten to include that footage in the video.
It is getting close but not shanking. I checked it by hand wheeling the probe close to the material before we started filming because I was afraid it would shank and I would have to sweep it in with an indicator.
I've once made a fixture out of copper-palladium Not because it was a good idea (we ended up going with some hardened stainless) but because the owner thought it was a good idea.
I’ve been there before. But you gotta do what the boss tells you, even if you already know it isn’t going to work. After it doesn’t work it is so hard not to say “Now will you let me do what you pay me to do” lol
@@Michaelsloncehammr i'm not sure but i think the raw bar was around 35 kg iirc. and the price of palladium is pretty cheap compared to the alloy (Pd90Cu10) from what i remember all i'm going to say is that if this wasnt on a govt contract, the business would be gone.
These threads were too deep to use a multi tooth thread mill on. I couldn’t find one that had the length of cut I needed since there is a counterbore on top of the threads
I'd love to try out those expansion clamps. Nice explanation Jessie. 👍
I´ve been using them just recently on a really old AXA 4-axis mill to machine clampingcovers that have a brutal Rm of 1100-1300 N/mm (cant remember what the material was called, sorry) and these expansion clamps just HOLD TIGHT .
Theyre great. Expensive if it's a one off part but a no brainer for production.
It's amazing how fast that machine changes tools.
I love your explanations, and how you think thru to the next step. Critical thinking is especially lacking in our trade now. Well done sir 👏
Thank you. One thing I always do is try to think of all the “problems” I might have with what I am doing. I know that if I can solve those up front then I will have a much easier time when I actually make the part. Thanks for watching
Amazing. Short video packed with informations.
HA - even the "rough" finish is gorgeous...!
Love this channel and content. Amazing tools,machines,and smart a$$ people, Lol. Thanks for all your hard work and trying to help other folks.
Thanks for your support!
Those expanding clamps look a good idea 👍👍 makes an interesting option.
Whoa! I know exactly what that nitronic flange goes to. And how stupid expensive it cost! No room for mistakes. When it comes to machining , it's a small world after all. Kudos Titan for getting the contract! 😉
Those expansion pins looks awesome. I might need to try those out. Great video!
They work so well. They have incredible holding power
I'd like to see more about those expansion pins. How do you machine them? Screw all the way? What size compared to hole should it have?
We would love to see some more of this "know how" in education videos :)
Fixturing is the key
Why did you do the second op on the first machine? Wouldn't it have been better to face and profile the part and put in the 4 bolt holes than just bolt the part down on the 5 axis with 2 bolt diagonal from eachother and counter bore the other 2 holes then bolt it down from those holes and then counter bore the remaining 2 holes and then finish bolting it down and do all the remaining machining for the fixture on the 5 axis, saving a operation and entire setup ? Maybe im missing it here. Either way jessie you got some skills man you should make more videos this boys talent!
Pure art
Love ❤ the tool changes
I enjoy maching 15-5 and 17-4! Hell I've even turn Stelite holding a +/-.0001 on 2 O.D's! Small diameters also!
That’s Awesome…
Its all about understanding the variables and ingredients. Some do… which breeds confidence and some don’t which breeds stress…
Even if you don’t know… you can learn easily with the right mindset.
BOOM!
Very nice! Just a quick question, why did use 8 pins for locating the part instead of 2 or 3? Doesn’t this overconstrain the part?
Those are not location pins, they are expansion pins, so the pins will expand and grab onto the holes of the part, the more pins that grab the part the better
@@owievisie oh, that makes sense. Thanks!
Great video homie!
Thanks boss!
What were you doing at 5:09 to the expanding bolts ?
They’re machinable. You cut them down to the dimension you need. Mitee bite sends you instructions on what to do when you order them.
@@travisguilbeau8404 thanks!. I figured that but wasn’t sure.
@@adammiller4879 you’re welcome
Hey Titans: Standardization : use the same 3 jaws chuck in your late into your 5 axis mill it is a small investment that will put you ahead of the competition.... Save money on time, stop wasting programing and start saving space consuming custom fixture. Soft Jaws all the way BB. I am an expert in 9 axis machine and I've never needed a custom fixture in my 10 years of machining. We just use soft jaws in a 120 millions cells.
Nice job. Good skills.
At 1:30 did you use that endmill to make that shallow pocket so that there were not any radii interfering with the part in that bottom corner? I've been wondering if that's something I should be doing.
Yes, you should relieve your fitting corners. I usually just undercut with whatever tool I’m running. It’s nothing fancy, just clearance
@@resurrectionchopshop8471 cool, thanks
15-5 Stainless steel. Great stuff!. Anyone can machine aluminum. This stuff separates the machinists from the wanna-be's! Super alloys! Bring it baby!
Your beard has grown a lot in this 5 min of video :P
Brilliant.
How do you know what shell mill to pick? Like dodeka, Stellram, 4-11?
Depends on what you are doing. The stellram shell mill I am using here is a 90 degree tool capable of machining up to shoulders and has a taller insert. The Dodeka shell mills are 45 degree. They won’t be able to machine a shoulder but the increased lead angle will be freer cutting and will create a chip thinning action so you can increase feeds and also achieve great finishes.
Usually you use whatever you have in the machine. Most places will standardize tools for certain machines so you know what you have available in that specific machine. If anything it’s the inserts that matter the most.
I am building a fixture using these for the 1st time this week!
Do I need a seperate rabbit feature to locate on? I was just gonna use the pins themselves.
Depends on the tolerances. If you are hitting a super tight true position or profile tolerance to something that is machined on the previous op then you may need to either locate two of the holes with a round pin and diamond locator pins and hold the holes to a tight tolerance or locate off of the datum like I have here with the center bore. But to be honest if you machine the holes and the expansion pins to a tight tolerance then they will surprise you how well they will locate. Most of the time these are all I used to locate in the past.
those tool changes real time?
nothing special in 2022 dude
where do you get those expansion collets?
Mitee Bite website.
Mitee Bite XYZ Expansion pins
Lol Travis is bringing his A game today
@@barrysetzer lol thanks. I actually designed a fixture to use them, they work wonders. I learned about Mitee Bite from Titan back in the day.
Its hard to tell, but at 1:50, isn't the probe shank hitting the raw extruded aluminum instead of the machine surface?
If it did, they could easily have re-probed the machined surfaces after the big shell mill removed most of the top material, and might have forgotten to include that footage in the video.
It is getting close but not shanking. I checked it by hand wheeling the probe close to the material before we started filming because I was afraid it would shank and I would have to sweep it in with an indicator.
I've once made a fixture out of copper-palladium
Not because it was a good idea (we ended up going with some hardened stainless) but because the owner thought it was a good idea.
I’ve been there before. But you gotta do what the boss tells you, even if you already know it isn’t going to work. After it doesn’t work it is so hard not to say “Now will you let me do what you pay me to do” lol
Really. You how expensive palladium is. How big was you’re fixture like a inch ?
@@Michaelsloncehammr i'm not sure but i think the raw bar was around 35 kg iirc.
and the price of palladium is pretty cheap compared to the alloy (Pd90Cu10) from what i remember
all i'm going to say is that if this wasnt on a govt contract, the business would be gone.
@@Jessie_Smith i'm a consultant now so i can put that on the bill
Surcharge: stupidity
help ! . make a video on how to design a fixture and important thing to consider will designing i??
Check out the fixture series on our academy.titansofcnc.com
really good video>!!
Хорошая штука.
Impressive
Where buy it ?
I need metric type bolt
Mitee Bites website, you can see what you need and order through your tool rep.
how much salary for cnc 5 axis machinest in your company
fantastic
I want to work here
на таком станке можно было б и многониточную резобофрезу
These threads were too deep to use a multi tooth thread mill on. I couldn’t find one that had the length of cut I needed since there is a counterbore on top of the threads
It's aluminum which is being machined. Where is the stainless steel?
The part he is fixturing is 15-5 and will be featured in an upcoming video