1958 430 C.I. 400-HP Lincoln Mercury 3x2 Super Marauder MEL V8 engine #1
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2018
- Just a short clip of my early 1958 430 C.I. Tri Power MEL series V8 engine. It has been freshly rebuildt to stock specs. This engine is out of a 58 model Lincoln buildt in October 1957. The differences between the 6-bbl and the standard 4-bbl engine are the aluminum intake manifold, 3 2-barrel carbs, fuel pump, chrome valve covers and the large aluminum air cleaner (not shown in this video). This engine, as a factory option (J-code), was only available in Mercurys, but you could also get it in a Lincoln as an over the counter power kit. Despite the fact that it was only available for 1 year, and Ford never changed its rating, there are a few differences between early and late 1958 engines, and the early ones are actually more powerful. Some specs:
cast iron, Y-block, big block V8 engine,
4.90" bore spacing, 10.462" deck height, 2009.5 C.I. block volume
(later 58 engines have 10.482" deck height and 2013.4 C.I. volume),
4.30" bore, 3.70" stroke 429.9 C.I. / 7044 cm³ displacement,
2.80" x 1.30" intake port size (later 58 engines have smaller ones at 2.70" x 1.30"),
1.90" x 1.23" exhaust port size,
2.15" intake valve diameter (later 58 engines have smaller 2.09" intake valves),
1.78" exhaust valve diameter,
10.5 : 1 compression ratio (later 58 engines only have 10.0 : 1),
3 2-barrel Holley 2300 carburetors for a combined 1050 cfm flow,
camshaft has 276°/276° duration, 54° overlap, 0.441"/0.441" valve lift
(later 58 engines only have 270°/270°, 49°, 0.408"/0.408"),
low-rise aluminum intake manifold, cast iron overhead log exhaust manifolds with 2.5" outlets,
forged steel rods, cast iron crank, cast aluminum pistons, 2-bolt mains,
hydraulic lifters, machined combustion chambers.
Rated at 400 HP @ 5200 rpm & 500 lbs-ft @ 3200 rpm.
The first mass produced American V8 engine to produce 400hp! Beautiful, rare engine. Massively heavy, so only belong in large cars. MEL's don't seem to be very common these days. Thanks for posting.
Had Mercury let they're tuner add a cam, port and polished the factory cylinder heads, and add tubular shorty headers to match that 6 barrel carb intake manifold it would've made atleast 450 HP and could've been the first muscle with an engine that makes 450 HP in 1958 and that 450 HP 430 MEL V8 would've been a really great swap for a 2-door 60 Mercury Comet and that would've easily made it the first muscle car and produced 450 HP as well (beating out the 64 Pontiac GTO by a longshot).
This engine must be extremely rare, thx for saving it!
Makes me wish I had seen Grandpa's 55 T-bird back in the late fifties, he shoehorned one of these in it with six Strombergs and a corvette four speed behind it. Very nice to see and hear one.
Your grandpa had impeccable taste! That T-bird would have hauled major ass... I'd have watched the corners though. The Ford MEL engine was almost as heavy as the 426 Hemi Elephant. Thanks for sharing.
67 lincoln convertible here. 462 built by Ford after spun bearing. Turned into 510ci with the tri-power & reground cam by Vic Edlebrock with heads by Edlebrock. Dressed to look factory. Ford AOD Trans with 2:78 gears. 550hp & 600trq makes a powerful unit that knocks down 23/30 mpg
SOmeone used either a 430 or 368 and did real well at the ENgine MAsters competition a number of yrs ago
Love seeing forgotten engines like this. Nice change from the usual sb ls stuff.
I sure WISH I had this for my 58 EDSEL CITATION!!! I CERTAINLY COULD DO WITHOUT 3 CARBS, ONE 4 BARREL CARB, IS THE WAY TO GO😁, PURRS LIKE A KITTEN!!!! AWESOME!!! 👍👍👍THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME, 😁😉👍
Beautiful. Thanks for posting
AWESOME AND RARE !
i have one thats complete 4bbl version 1958 that was meant for my father in laws 59 tbird i would love to see it rebuilt and put back to work.
59 Bird had a 430 optional. Tri-Power with 400hp or more would be powerful in it
Had a 58 Mercury with the 430 motor, it moved!
i have a 1958 mel 430 motor all original still has generator on it and some other goodies that belonged to my late father in law. he had planned to put it in his 59 tbird but sadly it just sat in his garage for 40 plus years. i would love to see this motor rebuilt and givin a good home.
Is your engine out of a Lincoln (green paint) or out of a Mercury (red or golden paint)? Is it an early or a late 58 engine? There is an engine date code on a small area where the water pump connects to the front of the engine on the drivers side (on the right if you stand in front of the car). Should be something like "4-710H1", thats my engines code for example.
Why should it need rebuilding? If it turns, just squirt some oil into each sparkplug hole and then see if it fires up.
These engines continued production for marine applications. So, if yours is indeed worn out, although not likely, ample replacement parts should still be available. What's critical on those are the original wick main bearing seals. If and when they dry up, they could heavilly score your crankshaft. I wouldn't, in any case, hesitate to replace them with modern rubber-lipped seals
I don't understand why this engine had such a short run, although it was awfull heavy, it put out some powerful numbers.
Fuel economy was pretty much nonexistent. They average less MPG than a modern VAN.
@@SerPurple51 , I think you're right about the problem with fuel economy and that the easiest way to fix it was to do a complete redesign. I'll speculate that excess emissions were also a difficult problem. Both the MEL and the Chevrolet `348 (later 409) came out in 1958 and had similar flat faced cylinder heads. GM pulled the plug on the 409 in 1964 and Ford ended the MEL in 68. The Ford 429/460 replaced the MEL and the Chevy 396/454 replaced the 409. In each case, the replacement engines retained the bore centerlines so much of the old tooling could continue on.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 I still remember getting 6mpg in my 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner with a 440 6-pack! When gas jumped up to 60-cents (78/79??) I decided to sell it. I was only 17/18 and couldn't afford it while both working and starting college.
@@Matt_from_Florida If you would have glued an egg onto your gas pedal, you would have gotten way more than 6 miles to those gallons, if you didn't crack that egg 😉
Right and not to mention that this engine had wayyyyyyy more potential as well, the Turner of this engine wanted to put a hotter cam, port and polish the factory cylinder heads, and add shorty headers to match with that 6 barrel intake manifold and man it would've made at least 450 HP to 500 HP depending on the timing, could've put in the 1960 2-door Mercury Comet and create they're very own muscle car (beating out the 64 Pontiac GTO as the first muscle car).
I had the 'standard' 430 Marauder (360 hp) in a '62 F100 Pickup, and that dumb thing would pass everything but a gas station!🤣 The previous owner claimed it came out of a former police interceptor, which is believable, considering the amount of power it had. Unfortunately, whoever did the swap decided to hook that monster to the original Ford 3 speed column shift transmission, instead of the automatic from the Mercury, so it was practically useless for traction (especially in the winter).😜
T]Is the cranksfaft drilled for pilot bushing, will a FE standard flywheel & Bellhousing fit this?
I dont know about the crank beeing drilled for a pilot bushing or not. I also dont know about the flywheel, but I can tell yout that FE bellhousings and transmissions do fit the 1958 - 1960 MEL engines. Maybe you can see more on one of the pictures I made during the rebuild process. You can check them out on 3 pages here: ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1598
My 57 mercury has this super marauder 430 package it will stop now with wilwood
Brakes .. old system stopping was a suggestion... lmao 🤣
Can you link to the brake kit please?
I have a 60 T-Bird I bought years ago in Vegas. The engine is massive! I have no original owner's manual or history of the vehicle. The man said it had a 430cu in motor in it. Can anyone tell me how I can determine if it is in fact a 430 or a 352?
Look at the cars VIN Code. If the fifth digit is "Y" its a 352 FE engine, if its "J" its a 430 MEL engine. Or just look at the valve covers. The 352s have the word "FORD" or "THUNDERBIRD" embossed into them, the 430s are plain and have nothing embossed.
Ok thanks. I know my valve covers say Ford on them. Gotta check the vin
What carbs are these, i need them for my 62 for my hood to clear
It has 3 Holley 2300 2-barrel carbs. The center one is stamped "12331", the outer ones "12334".
@@classicv8fan872 thank you so much. Hopefully they will work for mine
Im looking at a 1959 mercury monterey at the moment that i'd like to buy and the owner claims that it has the 7.0l engine in it. Can someone help me out with that? What was the biggest engine available in the 1959 mercurys? Was there a 7.0 engine?
There where several engines available in 1959 Mercurys, and the largest of them was indeed a 7.0 litre V8. To check which one is in the car you are looking at, look at the cars VIN code. The first digit refers to the engine. "P" is for the basic 312 C.I. (5.1 litre) 2-barrel Ford Y-block engine rated at 210 HP, "N" is a 383 C.I. (6.3 litre) 2-barrel MEL engine rated at 280 HP, "M" is a 383 C.I. (6.3 litre) 4-barrel MEL engine rated at 322 HP, and finally "L" is a 430 C.I. (7.0 litre) 4-barrel MEL engine rated at 345 HP.
There's also an unmistakable visual difference, between the M.E.L. engine and the others
How did that Falcon performance cam pan out? Did it break in ok? I used one in mine and no luck worn out in less than 50 miles. Not sure why yet as I haven’t pulled it out to examine it. Anyway that’s a great motor you have there! 😊
Thank you! I still have no car for this engine, and I only start it about once a year so it had only very little running time since the rebuild. So I can't say if the cam will last for long. Sorry for your bad experience, I hope mine wont wore out that fast.
At this point I’m not blaming the camshaft it may turn out to be my fault or maybe the lifters were made of poor materials. My son and I are going to pull the camshaft out tomorrow. I will look it over and try to determine what the heck happened. I’m not a master mechanic or anything but I have done several camshaft swaps and haven’t had this happen before. As you know we don’t have many options especially the early MEL motors with the early style cam bearings and timing components. I’m actually hoping I screwed this up so I can try another Falcon cam. I’ll let you know.
@@classicv8fan872The 430 MEL V8 would be a great swap for a 1960 Mercury Comet 2-door or a Falcon Ranchero.
@@CJColvin An early ranchero with that mill...awesome!
@@gordocarbo Agreed
Did you ever find a car for this motor? I remember the MEL page write up. Very cool.
Thanks for your interest! Unfortunately not yet. The engine is still sitting in my garage, waiting to be installed in a suitable car in the future. Right now I am looking at a red 1978 Buick LeSabre Custom. This car would be big enough for the 430 MEL V8. But since it is in very good stock condition, and already has a large 403 CI Oldsmobile V8 from the factory, i wont put the MEL in it.
Ok. How did that camshaft work out? I installed the same one in my 1959 430. I have performed the camshaft break in and it seems fine but I don’t know what to expect performance wise or in longevity . Sounds like you might be in the same position I am. At any rate my engine is installed and I hope to drive it before the snow flies. It is in a 1959 Thunderbird. I hope you find a suitable car for that motor. 🤠
@@thejandolife If it broke in ok you are probably fine. Lotsa guys let their engines sit too long between starts and everything goes dry. Just run it...I bet melling/elgin may have something for you in case
Even wealthy people were complaining on fuel consumption. Imagine 1958 Continental with it. My guess 7 MPG in town. 11 on highway. I'd complain too. )))) And since 1959 Ford decided to "choke" this beast a bit.
My dad had a 59 galaxie with the 292. Hed get 25mpg in it. These old cars were alot better then people give em credit for anymore.
BBF forever...
Why is the choke shut? Why is the fan on and the choke is shut Got a big old vacuum leak do you?