P2 New Build Update / Cabbed + Hopetown Darlington
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- 20.7.24 scince our first visit five months ago it doesn't look like a lot has been done on the loco but the tender frame has now arrived so the tank and wheels will go on that shortly, have to say a massive thank's to the staff who not only let me cab 2007 but also climb inside the guts of it as well, i dare not put the unedited video of me climbing inside and out again, omg i felt my age haha, anyway 2007 is still on track to run in steam in 2026, the boiler is due to arrive from Germany shortly, it's planned the first run will be double headed with Tornado, can't wait.
While at A1 Steam Trust we had a look at the newly opened "Hometown Darlington", it was really good as you can see from the video with a nice cafe, entrance is free but you do have to book tickets online, it's proberbly safe to say it's aimed at families with kids but being a big kid myself that was great.
A YMT production.
Edited with Powerdirector 19.
Filmed with Panasonic HC-V785 camcorder & Runcam 4K mini cam.
I’ve no doubt that No. 2007 will be an absolute beast of a locomotive when it’s finished. What a sight it’ll be to see it thundering on the national network.
Many thanks, yes you are sure right about it will be a beast, its first run double headed with Tornado will make history, cheers...Mal
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Is all the paperwork in order for main-line clearance?
@tooleyheadbang4239 Do you think the group is spending £6.5M without any paperwork?
@@simonwass6315 I've worked with the Authorities too mant times to believe anything, even in writing.
With the muffled voices in the background and sheer size it's like being in a Cathedral to the worship of steam. It is amazing what we humans can do when we want to rather than bringing misery to many to line the pockets of so few.
Many thank's, yes the people who built Tornado and now this P2 just make you proud to be British, so much skill they have, cheers...Mal
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Thanks for that and good luck for the future.
I bet it'll be a heck of a sight when it's completed and running
It will be the most powerfull steam loco running on NR tracks
She will definitely be spectacular when completed 💚
Sure will, can't wait, cheers...Mal
2007 is named after the Royal title, not an aircraft carrier which also just happens to be named the same.
No its not, just ask anyone at A1 steam trust like i did, its named after the royal navy ship, just like Tornado is named after the RAF Tornado jet fighter, the 3rd new build will be a Gresley V4 and have a army related name so all 3 are armed forces related!
@YorkshireMalsTrains Sorry to disappoint you but when the name was first announced she was named after HRH. The ship tie up was much later, no doubt due to Steve Davis getting involved.
@YorkshireMalsTrains Official announcement way back in 2013;
No. 2007 TO BE NAMED ‘PRINCE OF WALES’
In honour of Prince Charles’s 65th Birthday, Britain’s most powerful steam locomotive is to be named after the heir to the throne
The P2 Steam Locomotive Company (P2SLC), the builder of Britain’s most powerful steam locomotive, is delighted to announce that the name of its new Gresley class P2 2-8-2 steam locomotive will be ‘Prince of Wales’. The new steam locomotive is being named in honour of HRH Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales, to coincide with his 65th birthday celebrations and The Queen has kindly approved the use of His Royal Highness’s name for the locomotive.
The P2 Steam Locomotive Company is a subsidiary of The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust (a registered charity), the builders and operators of No. 60163 Tornado, the world-famous new steam locomotive completed in 2008 and officially named by TRH The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall at York station on 19th February 2009.
The mission of the P2SLC is to develop, build and operate an improved Gresley class P2 steam locomotive for main line and heritage railway use. These 2-8-2 locomotives were the most powerful express passenger locomotives to operate in the UK, designed by Sir Nigel Gresley to haul 600 ton trains on the arduous Edinburgh to Aberdeen route. Sadly the design was never fully developed and they were rebuilt in 1943/4. The P2SLC is building the 7th member of this class and will demonstrate how the design can be fully realised through use of modern computer design and modelling techniques, enabling it to deliver its full potential hauling passenger trains at high speed across the national network. It is estimated that £5m will be needed to build No. 2007 over 7-10 years, with funds being raised through public subscription. The formal launch of the project will take place in February 2014.
There have been many steam locomotives named after The Prince of Wales over the years. These included Gresley class A3 No. 2553 (later No. 60054) Prince of Wales, sister locomotive to No. 4472 Flying Scotsman, which was named by HRH The Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII) on a visit to Doncaster Works on 11th November 1926. This locomotive was scrapped in 1964.
Mark Allatt, Chairman, The P2 Steam Locomotive Company, commented:
“HRH The Prince of Wales has been a fantastic supporter Tornado and along with HRH The Duchess of Cornwall formally named the new locomotive in 2009. Since then, Tornado has hauled the Royal train on no less than three occasions on behalf of Prince Charles, so we are only too delighted to be able to confirm the name for No.2007 in his honour. It is well known HRH has a passion for our heritage and a particular interest in steam, but also the skills and craftsmanship required to build a steam locomotive from scratch. It is a clear demonstration that the UK can still turn its hand to quality heavy engineering, making use of modern techniques design and construction techniques whilst engaging and inspiring a new generation that nothing is beyond the realms of possibility.”
No. 2007 TO BE NAMED ‘PRINCE OF WALES’
In honour of Prince Charles’s 65th Birthday, Britain’s most powerful steam locomotive is to be named after the heir to the throne
The P2 Steam Locomotive Company (P2SLC), the builder of Britain’s most powerful steam locomotive, is delighted to announce that the name of its new Gresley class P2 2-8-2 steam locomotive will be ‘Prince of Wales’. The new steam locomotive is being named in honour of HRH Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales, to coincide with his 65th birthday celebrations and The Queen has kindly approved the use of His Royal Highness’s name for the locomotive.
The P2 Steam Locomotive Company is a subsidiary of The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust (a registered charity), the builders and operators of No. 60163 Tornado, the world-famous new steam locomotive completed in 2008 and officially named by TRH The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall at York station on 19th February 2009.
The mission of the P2SLC is to develop, build and operate an improved Gresley class P2 steam locomotive for main line and heritage railway use. These 2-8-2 locomotives were the most powerful express passenger locomotives to operate in the UK, designed by Sir Nigel Gresley to haul 600 ton trains on the arduous Edinburgh to Aberdeen route. Sadly the design was never fully developed and they were rebuilt in 1943/4. The P2SLC is building the 7th member of this class and will demonstrate how the design can be fully realised through use of modern computer design and modelling techniques, enabling it to deliver its full potential hauling passenger trains at high speed across the national network. It is estimated that £5m will be needed to build No. 2007 over 7-10 years, with funds being raised through public subscription. The formal launch of the project will take place in February 2014.
There have been many steam locomotives named after The Prince of Wales over the years. These included Gresley class A3 No. 2553 (later No. 60054) Prince of Wales, sister locomotive to No. 4472 Flying Scotsman, which was named by HRH The Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII) on a visit to Doncaster Works on 11th November 1926. This locomotive was scrapped in 1964.
Mark Allatt, Chairman, The P2 Steam Locomotive Company, commented:
“HRH The Prince of Wales has been a fantastic supporter Tornado and along with HRH The Duchess of Cornwall formally named the new locomotive in 2009. Since then, Tornado has hauled the Royal train on no less than three occasions on behalf of Prince Charles, so we are only too delighted to be able to confirm the name for No.2007 in his honour. It is well known HRH has a passion for our heritage and a particular interest in steam, but also the skills and craftsmanship required to build a steam locomotive from scratch. It is a clear demonstration that the UK can still turn its hand to quality heavy engineering, making use of modern techniques design and construction techniques whilst engaging and inspiring a new generation that nothing is beyond the realms of possibility.”
@@YorkshireMalsTrains well according to the press releases from 2013, "The P2 Steam Locomotive company announced that its Gresley class engine would be named Prince of Wales, to coincide with Prince Charles’ 65th birthday celebrations today (Thursday, November 14)". Permission to name the loco after HRH had been sort from The Queen.
The complete answer to the Class 37 isn’t just to say built by RSH. It’s just it was built in DARLINGTON by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorns part of English Electric at the time!
Mark Allatt, Chairman, The P2 Steam Locomotive Company, commented:
“HRH The Prince of Wales has been a fantastic supporter Tornado and along with HRH The Duchess of Cornwall formally named the new locomotive in 2009. Since then, Tornado has hauled the Royal train on no less than three occasions on behalf of Prince Charles, so we are only too delighted to be able to confirm the name for No.2007 in his honour.
Like many, Prince of Wales would not of been my choice for the P2, would prefer it to be Scotland related where it work back in the day
@@YorkshireMalsTrains It seems odd, a Welsh-related name in a series specifically designed for the North British section.
I would have named it Roderick Dhu.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 Some would say Sir William Wallace'......
@@tacfoley4443 I would think more people would say William Wallace than Roderick Dhu!
I was fascinated by the 'dark lightning' as a kid.
On a more serious note: Is there a Scottish title held by the Prince during his time as Prince of Wales? That might be more suited to the new loco, but still honouring the man?
He would doubtless agree, if you asked him.
Will it be built roughly exactly the same (as close as they can) as the original prince of wales?
Looks superb maybe a thought about the future would be to oil fire it as coal will be a big issue from now on!
My fellow train enthusiasts back in Canada and the US of A would have really appreciated a few well-thought out and apposite comments, rather than the solitary eructation spoiling the otherwise near-reverent silence usually found in a cathedral. To have such a masterpiece of technology from the past, being revised using modern techniques, without any edifying explanation, is, to my mind, a clear oversight. Ask Mr Langer, HE knows how I like to have things explained to me.
You really need to practice what you preach mate, never heard a peep out of you on any of your few videos
@@YorkshireMalsTrains All three of my channels were removed by UA-cam two years ago. Anything you see now has been put in the new tac's trains. I'm deaf, so doing voice-overs is very difficult. Please note, I'm not your 'mate'.
@@tacfoley4443 You sure are not my mate, why on earth did you moan about me not doing a comentary when you are deaf, get a life
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Sure, I might be deaf, in the service of the Queen, but I'm kind.
This is going to be one awesome Locomotive. Cleanest engineering shed I’ve ever seen but, they do say, cleanliness is next to Godliness 👍
Many thank's, this building is brand new, specialy build for the A1 Steam Trust, the tracks outside that will link up with network rail is / has been laid by volunteers from the army over a few months period, just shows how so many are excited by the P2 project, cheers...Mal
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Hi Mal, Am subscribed to their website and this is what we can do when people really come together for good, instead of dividing ❤️
Yes agree with the cleanliness but you’re dealing with one unit and it’s brand new, no oil, grease, pigeon bits to clean off. 19 years at Westinghouse brakes with 5 day turnaround for London Underground and West Coast brake units is another thing!
@@vernongoodey5096 Indeed. ‘A bit of good ole honest muck’ though, as my grandma used to say. It does look better than neglect 👍
It NOT named after the ship!!! (I can still remember the A1 original announcement a decade ago, and it was most definitely named after HRH Prince of Wales.) Don’t believe the “pony & trap” some bloke told you in the shed.
A senior member of A1 trust told me it was named after a ship, but of course there is always others that know better
@@YorkshireMalsTrains correct, some of us do know better. (The member you spoke to cannot suddenly change the story about the loco’s name, those of us who have been around long enough remember their original statement about the reason for naming it ‘Prince of Wales’, and that was certainly several years before that aircraft carrier was even built.)
@@struck2soon Like many many others i don't think it should have a name royalty related anyway, should be Scotland related where P2's worked back in the day
@@YorkshireMalsTrains I agree why does everything have to be named after royalty like jubilee line, the queen Elizabeth and so on
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Agreed!
Great stuff Mal, can't wait to see and hear this loco once they manage to get it up and running
Many thank's, it is appreciated, cheers...Mal
Hello Mal, fantastic video from the locomotive workshop. At our age it is a bit more difficult to get back under the locomotives. But you are still sporty.😍 Yes, it takes a lot of work to fully repair a steam locomotive. Very nicely filmed, thank you for showing it and have a nice day my friend. Best wishes, Wolfgang
Hello Wolfgang, thank's my friend, crawling under the loco was well worth the effort to get a bit of unique video, everything on this loco is brand new built by very skilled people, take care...Mal
Well worth going to its not just about trains its about the history of the very first passenger line 2025 is the year celebrations start.
also its free!. and great for kids too
2007 prince of Wales it's literally still the same not really anything has been put on the engine but parts under the chassis but not far off the tender is there and the frame for the tender cylinders and boiler
Yes i know, i just filmed it lol
Very nice video my friend David.
Thank You and Thumbs Up.
Many Greetings
Andreas
Many thank's my friend Andreas, take care...Mal
Ohh you wonderful tech kid - luckily you´ve got a nice adult to watch over you! But No´nt bad curling under a loco like that, mate🤗 And of course thanks for throwing in some good music!
Cheers mate, proberbly won't ever crawl under another loco like that lol, yes that band was fantastic at Hopetown.
Let us hope that Starmer's 'Let's Stop coal' does not stop Heritage railways from running, seeing this loco on the main line will be quite something.
Many thank's, yes will be awesome on the day it first runs in steam, cheers...Mal
It could be oil fired!
What about those Blinkers 😮
I think steam is about to have a renaissance due to huge advances in technology where using sintering and 3d printing machines complex parts can be easily produced in a fraction of the time of an engineered part and be as strong and viable as any milled or lathed part once forged, if they can 3d print a whole house then the mind boggles what else can be made.
Steam locomoives will not have a renaissance, they are inefficient, their exhaust is destructive of amenities and they are unavailable for long periods each day. Enjoy them ,if you like, but they went out of use for these, and many other reasons.
I wonder how many electric locomotives will still be around in 80 years 🤔
@@pistolpete5817 They seem to be around in 80 and more years. Diesels will likely disappear, due to the global climate crisis.
Are the coupling rods getting roller bearings?
Not sure but doubt it, cheers...Mal
Do they ever work on the engine? I swear it always looks the same with frames and a cab. Even on their insta page it never looks like they build on. No hate, just genuinely curious why it looks like no progress is made.
Yes i know what you mean about slow progress, once the boiler is on it will look to have moved on a lot i guess, cheers...Mal
Spoken like a true middle manager office worker, bet you always ask why builders are always stood around eating. If you want an answer they don’t have an air conditioned restaurant or toilets so their breaks for lunch are in the open close to the work!😂
Looks like a forever job to me !
Yes a few years of a job but you can't rush perfection!
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Can't rush a snail?
I wonder what it would cost to build another 50 on a production line?
No idea about that but the third they will build is a V4 after the P2 is finished, cheers...Mal
What would you do with them, no coal allowed from UK pits, you’ve not thought this through,there’s not enough work for class 68s yet alone 50 2-8-2s still bring back starting handles for cars I say!
@@vernongoodey5096
I haven't thought it through? Why burn coal? Burn light oil instead. You get an extra 25% power and clean emissions- no NOx or particulates and no damage due to acid gases and ash, and nothing to clean out at the end of the day.
In practice they are about as efficient as diesel electric. The technology has been around for 30 years. It would probably match a class 68 for a third of the price. There's should be plenty of work for locos instead of inflicting 800 series junk on the long suffering public, and it isn't as if they don't cost a fortune.
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Why is so little of it being built to the original design?
The original design was very much inferior to modern day builds, why would you build a inferior loco?
@@YorkshireMalsTrains Well if its meant to be a replica, accuracy seems important.
I heard da Burps 1st time😂
I think the 37 was the last engine built by RSH
It was on 28th April 1964 just before the works closed
Yes you are correct, many thank's...Mal
@@YorkshireMalsTrainsI have an original worksplate from D6898 (37198) Replica ones have 1964 on them, mine has 1963 which was her build date. 1964 was when she was handed over to British Rail. She needs to be undercover in my opinion, as she’ll deteriorate been out in the elements. Nice video by the way.
DCC and sound?
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Thank's for your comment
added sound from a Class 69 on it🤣🤣
Getting down from the cab wasn't easy :))
haha no not easy for me, i had to edit some out or look a right fool, cheers...Mal
OMG! the toilets! i am very glad you chose to include this. it appears to be a very practical design. just like tommy crapper got the design right all those years ago in spite of many failed attempts since to improve on it. i assume the separating walls are slate. now there are women all over the world who now know what the inside of a gent's toilet looks like.
As a plumber for 50 years (now retired)i must of fit thousands of toilets but never any like those lol
@@YorkshireMalsTrains , if i may get your opinion based on years of experience, does this design of pisser look very efficient to you? it looks good to me. oh, and is it still in use or is there another one in the area for modern use and this is now a museum exhibit only?
@@vsvnrg3263 Yes this is a museum exhibit only and not in use, plenty of modern toilets all over the site.
1:18 minutes in and I’m sure I heard you burp you dirty get!
They can still build 'em like they used to.....
Many thank's, this new P2 will be far superior to the original as you would expect with all the new technology, cheers...Mal
@@YorkshireMalsTrains One has to wonder, Mal, the progress steam traction might have made had the technology not have canned by BR. Somewhat ahead of modern efforts?
What I do find very encouraging is the new work being undertaken by steam enthusiasts all over Britain to keep this wonderful technology alive.
I'm ex pat Yorkshire living in Oz for the past 50 years, but on a visit back to Hull in 2018 we had the pleasure of being pulled behind B1 61264 Pickering to Whitby and back. I tipped in a tenner for the cause. Not a lot, but it would buy them a bag of coal or a few gallons of water. Every little helps..
It must never be forgotten that Dai Woodham more or less saved British steam traction from oblivion. No point relying on Draper of Hull. He cut through over 700 of the buggers. Mind you, he did save one. A Black 5 "the cleanest in the yard"
Love the progress being made on this P2. The boiler will be the killer I suspect. Lots of coin needed...
He was moving the camera too fast to be able to read the steam engine signs on the wall
Yes i did pan a bit fast on the nameplated, if you want to read them you can always pause the video, not rocket science lol
Is it too late for anyone to envisage of a battery-brake tender? Seems like extremely low hanging fruit.
The problem is getting custom vehicles certified on the main line, this is why they are quite rare. Only a few can afford it.
Example - the NYMR Pullman diner would make much more money if it ran to Whitby. But the horse box van carrying the generator would be a nightmare getting certified for the 2 miles of “big railway”.
Thank's for your comments
Conversion to oil burning must be considered.
@@22pcirish Everything should be considered!
Nice video but a few comments would have been nice during the video.
Thank's but not interested in spoiling a video with too much talking over it, best to just use your eyes.
1:18 BURP! 😂… if this was my video I would have a signature fart at the beginning of each video haha 😂
Eh Up Ow Dooo? 😂
Lots of pretty pictures , but sorry to say they're useless without at least some commentary .
Sorry but I think the panning of the camera is a bit too fast,slow down please
Only commentary was the burp at 1:20 🤦🏼♂️
Just use your eyes or you go make a video with commentary for us all lol
Are they making plans yet, to rebuilt it, after a couple of years running, into a rather ugly pacific?
Why on earth would they lol
@@YorkshireMalsTrains
To recapitulate history?
A bit of commentary would have been helpful.
I prefer to let people use their eyes rather than me rabbiting on over the video, whatever you do on videos can never please everyone
I needed to know why they couldn’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for most of the mainline Trains so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock which will include the class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign all of them into an overhead wire line trains and also make most of them into Five carriages per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 8-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 10-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into 11 carriages per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers? A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it even much more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 carriages per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 carriages per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 87 Octagon and Every 48 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those 18 Tonne Boxes of Coal for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!!! So please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!!!! And PLEASE do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Profits and private interests in politics overpowering public services, planning and capital. Upcycling/preservation goes against traditional businesses thinking
Thank's for your comments
Stay away from drugs.
WTF?
He keeps repeating this nonsense on lots of railway videos. Obviously hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
It will be great when there is no wind to provide power to EV cars and trains pitty it will not be using English or welsh coal