I rebuilt a Gen 4 5.3 with all stock bottom end components. Gapped the new rings at 32 and 34 thousandths, ball hone. All new heavy duty bearings, including heavy duty cam bearings. Single 98/88 turbo. SEP 100lb injectors and a Holley Terminator Max. BTR truck cam. My truck is so powerful, that I'm having to learn to drive better to handle it. I cheaped out since i don't want to invest money in the old 8.5 10 bolt, and i welded the spider gears two days ago. My friends don't believe that the stock bottom end can handle 15Lbs of boost, so I show them this video. Thanks Richard, for everything. There's a new tuning shop that popped up recently a few months ago two buildings down fromy shop. I got a quote today for basic dyno tuning with the Holley. They told me $1500 for tuning with up to 5 dyno runs. It took some effort to not laugh. This "new" shop charges twice as much as the well established local competitor
@@richardholdener1727 I agree. I'm going to speak with the owner to see what's up. The employee may have mis-quoted. I'd like to build a relationship with them, especially since they're so close. I can hear cars on the Dyno from my shop and it sounds glorious.
27 lbs on a gen 3 5.3 here. Was still alive when I pulled it. Twin setup shifted @8000 ish, no air shifter. Figured it was making around 1350 ish according to fuel consumption. Thanks Richard !!
Holy cow. I just found out that the piston gap is very influential on the performance and durability of the engine. Thank you sir, I learned a lot today
This is ABC of forced induction! When. You force air your adding heat the pistons get hotter rings expand more! So larger gaps are required to handle the expansion. Lean is mean!
I been watching these guys since the hot rodding magazines days. I still get excited like when I was a teenager. I am so happy they have also moved ahead with Technology. I enjoy the videos so much.. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾😁
God I love this channel. I always feel like I got something for free after watching ,then realize I did (knowledge) thanks for all your hard work you have helped so much with my build.
Been on board when you first started up.. the channel is definitely growing and in my opinion.. needs about a million subs. Just about everything under the sun is on this channel. Good stuff!
Hey Richard! Can you make a video going over how you disassemble LS setups, swap rods, cranks, measure clearances, maybe what to look for or what not to worry about when putting it back together? It would be a huge help!!!thanks for all the info sir!
theres thousands of youtube videos about that kind of stuff already.....in short, no rod swapping in an LS because press-fit piston pins (unless you have a hydraulic press), plenty of vids about bearing clearances, replace the oil passage dumbbell (aluminum one preferrably), replace your timing set, replace all bearings especially cam bearings.
Great video. Lots of information to collect when spec-ing out a build. Thanks for all the stats and honesty about a stock build and a junk yard motor. March
It's going to come down to the strength of the tuner. You can pull masses of timing over the torque peak and just keep adding boost till fail. I'd like to know how far the stock crank would go as drop in forged piston/rod combos are cheap now.
Stock rod bolts are the weak point huh... Can't rev gen 3 stuff high huh.. gen 3 rods are only good to about 500 crank huh.. your undoing years of internet misguidance and misinformation. Setting the forums on fire one video at a time
Who ever said a gen 3 rod is good for 500 crank? Never heard that one before, interesting. I would probably say the rod bolts argument is somewhat plausible if the engine is installed in a car. At 130hp0 and installed in a car, this engine in the test would not be long for this world.
@@crazysvt03 I've done a few dozen more hours of research than you think I have, just never heard that claim (i think at least). Then again, I might've seen it and blew it off immediately because I already knew SBE stuff routinely makes 800hp reliably.
@@rustysausage69 ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/1581445-horsepower-limit-bottom-end-stock-02-ls1-engine.html Ls1 and you should know that has the gen3 bottom end with the exception of a few of the 04 ls1's that had full floating pistons and dimpled rods(gen4) but those are rare ... And yes gen 3 rods from a 5.3 are the same before you say it's a ls1
@@richardholdener1727 well you helped out greatly and it was very appreciated. Got all the way to 3rd round during armageddon in oklahoma this year and was beat out buy an over 800 ci nitrous motor by only half a car. Had him beat till little past half track and then he came alive. I'm running a stock 6.0 with 317 heads ( no modification ) only changes is Brian tooley stage 4 cam, spring upgrade and piston and rod everything else completely stock with a Borg 88mm. So I walked away happy
Slowly but surely building a new shop at the moment. Have the engine together but havent started on the turbos. Between the covid BS and my dad passing I have set it aside but I will post when finished.
Hey Richard...I would love to see a video on valvetrain stability and high rpm. I've loved your videos where you've discussed this briefly but I need more! I want a high revving engine. Love your videos!
If you’re trying to find the limit, find the limit! Rev it to the moon, hit 100% duty cycle on the injectors, add a degree or two (if there’s power to be had). I understand that bigger, better turbos might be budget limited, but let’s see what it’ll do, go to the max!
@@richardholdener1727 please do. You’re the best on UA-cam. Seriously. Getting the myths out of the air, and showing people that you can do a lot with a whole little if everything is right. My buddies and I love to drink a few beers around a fire and watch your videos. We learn a lot. Appreciate ya.
@@richardholdener1727 yeah I’d really like to pick your brain on this build here cause I’m about to build a turbo 5.3 and work at a high performance cylinder head shop
Agreed. I was wondering how much different his setup sounds compared to my single turbo built LM7 in my Silverado. BTR stage 4 cam. Ported heads. Eagle crank, lightning rod and pistons. 76mm turbo with 12PSI of boost, E85, and I'm putting 810 to the tires. Other than turbo lag and lack of vacuum for the power brakes I thought I had a really strong setup. He just pushed 1200 with a stock bottom end and twin turbo. And I guarantee it spools up a lot faster than mine. But hey. I daily it and it has ice cold AC.
Holy Hell. Really impressed. I have a stock LM7 5.3 Gen3 engine, didn’t ring gap or change anything, stock internals, stock heads, ls2 cam, ls6 intake, 2 x GT 35 Turbos running 5 pounds of boost, Link G4+ computer. 468 rwhp, 670 ft-lbs torque. Should run for years. Can’t wait to put it through the drags and see what it will do. Fairly heavy car (xjs jag) but should go ok. Hopping for mid to low 12 second standing quarter mile
Supercharged is the best for low end boost. But a 78 mm turbo with a 96 a/r hot side builds boost quickly. Any more then 8psi just blows the tires off on a truck.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, start a patron to help funding. Even if you had a consulting fee to evaluate an engine combo I'd spend a 100 or whatever to discuss it with you before I spend any money buying parts. I would also be down to buy parts from a combo after you test it. Like I really want to to see what the summit 8720 cam is like in an l92 even though it's similar to the GM "Hot Cam" Or even partner up with a company like summit to test parts/combos guys want to run. I would be super thankful to see what a cam and heads can do with a link to a video right on the page. I'd like to see you try 50/50 coolant and stick it in a cold freezer at like -30 since it will still be a liquid for the intercooler. Ice water is always going to be warmer than 0C otherwise it would just freeze.
Check his previous videos on his channel. He mentioned patron info about a month ago. He even mentioned top tier supporters (only 2) could pay $250 for 12 months=$3000 for a motor that he's going to assemble, test/tune! Look into it bro. 👍 I'm about to drop the link!!!
I want to see what a gen 3 coyote does. 530 at the wheels with just headers and tune is common and have seen 1250hp pulls with stock motors and trans with tune and turbo kit also had upgraded fuel pump in tank.
@@Opha216 ...stock or modded??? I was at the track a few years ago & watched a jeep SRT8 smoked a 350Z real bad (3 times, back to back runs)...made a believer outta me that day
Woooohoooo Im commenting before I even watched a video...love the max stuff .. going with a 5.3 or 6.0 in my fox soon I just want low 9s or 1k to the wheels street car ...love the videos Richard..👍👍👍👍
Everyone loves revvy LSs, so if you do revist this thing you could hit two birds with one stone and try to science out a cheap high rev valvetrain package (ideally just cam/springs) for the likes of 8k rpm. From there you could realllllly make those rods do work with some boost in there. Could we hit 2khp on a sbe LS? Probably not, but 1k ft/lbs at 8k would be 1500hp and we know it'll take that level of cylinder pressure.
Richard, Im putting a similar 5.3 in my gbody and love to watch this test. Ive ordered 2 - VSRacing 7875's. T4, 1.25ar. Cant wait to see how it performs until my 408 is built. Lol.
You need to do an LS Big Bang collab with James Taal. He’s a bad influence and he’d have you shifting her at 8600 with a 700 shot, 30 lbs, and all the timing
Awesome video. Can we get a video on how to calculate ring gap and how to properly add ring gap? I know shops have special tools for that but what can the average DIY guy use to to add ring gap. I would love to see that.
Can you try doing say an LS7 or LSX naturally aspirated and see what you can get out of it with stock or stroked? ive seen an lsx with 900hp n/a , lets see what u can do!
Hey! Would you ever be interested in testing the horse power limitation of an air to water intercooler for a 6.7 power stroke? Super curious to see how it’d work on a LS!
Awesome!! I’m rebuilding the same engine I was planning on doing .24 on the top ring .26 on the bottom ring I see you used .30 what is the gap for the second ring? Wanna make sure I don’t blow my engine up!
Richard do you or if not have you ever thought of offering built motors? Meaning you can have motors already built and ready to be purchased or you can take an order with money up front of course for a custom build for a customers requested requirements.
Pls do a boosted 300 inline motor. I have one that I have had at 18psi and im wondering how far it will go. If you need a motor you can use mine amd its all set for boost already
@@kevinjohnson9372 its no high dollar motor for sure. Currently it has a ported head with plugs I machined too fill the air injection holes before I ported the exhaust side. It's cammed with forged pistons and arp studs. Single turbo with an ms2 extra ecu. Thats about it.... At 18 psi I hauled ass! With a full truck bed of stuff on the way to the dump I was running door to door with a c6 vette down the highway at 11psi. I have rods for it so I can turn it up more but ive been building a new chassis so its been sitting
@@kevinjohnson9372 in no Richard holdener but I have some build visor and pics on youtube and Instagram. @twinturbor for insta and just go too my profile for youtube
Saw a guy do a junkyard 360 in a 68 or 69 Cuda. Blow thru carb, twin GN turbos. Low 10s. Water injection setup was crazy. Boost referenced from the carb hat (old Banks marine hat) and used an old FIRE EXTINGUISHER as the reservoir for the water. And a 727 trans. It worked. Owner said it laid tire in 3rd gear and rolling into the throttle. LMAO!
Hey Rich, I have been curious about the test that you did where you tested the 317 heads against the 823 heads that outflows the 317, but lost the hp and torque test... my question is if they were turbo charged by the same turbo, would the engine with the 823 heads still have less power at the same boost pressure, also would the exhaust pressure be less or more? Would the power curve start earlier 🤔
Actually I think the 5.3 might be able to match the 6.0 Big bang numbers.. despite the smaller size and it might even live a little bit longer due to the thicker bores between the cylinders depending on the cylinder head selection of course and the ability to keep those cylinder heads clamped to the block
Richard im very impressed in the 5.3 L that u did run on the big bang and made a a lot of horsepower and tongue. Also building a 5.3 turbo motor and been researching like crazy for info on it. i think im going to try to do the same here. Also u said that 706 heads would work just the same if they where ported. Like to pick your brain on this combination
@@richardholdener1727 I DID WATCH THE 4.8 BIG BANG AND WAS VERY INPRESSED. BUT ONE QUESTION I KNOW U JUST HAD A CAM LAYING AROUND AND THREW IT IN MOTOR. BUT IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT CAM TO THROW IN IT WHAT WOULD U GET FOR THE 5.3 WITH STOCK BOTTOM AND RINGS GAP WIH 706 HEADS ON IT
@@richardholdener1727 Ik I’m a little late to this videos. And I’m just starting out my first 5.3 build. And if it’s your will to help me out with this same situation will be really appreciated. Thanks
Do you check or replace the bearings in the engine before you do the big bag test? Just wondering about oil pressure issues at such high cylinder pressures.
If you were to redo this test today, what would be the main changes you would make? Which VS turbo was in the video when you mentioned much better options? And finally if there were no limitations for hood clearance, what intake would you run with this type of setup?
@@richardholdener1727 it still would be cool to see if there is a difference in the stock bottom end holding up with it all machined and balanced and weight Matched
I was just watching the coyote vs ls where they spent 15k on each their coyote made like 2 hp more than that 5.3l with 15k spent on it what a bunch of fools
@fatnfurious9171 no just 2 but they were just spending money for no reason basically you can search ls vs coyote they started with some amount of money and then said they'd put $15k in to them both I think they both had a failure on the dyno I think the ls was head gasket it's like you spent $15,000 and couldn't afford head studs
Mr. Holdener, I had a special request. If at all possible, could you do a remote turbo test on one of your engines where the turbos are mounted 10-15ft away from the engine? Maybe show how much wrapping the exhaust or the diameter of piping affects the curve and document EGTs, EMAP and pressure drop compared to an identical front mounted system. As always I truly enjoy just how thorough your videos are!
@@richardholdener1727 Sir, thanks for responding. I guess I should've worded it differently. I'm not particularly looking for response changes. That kind of test would be akin to trying to test ball bearing vs journal on the dyno. I'm trying to have illustrated the more pertinent information. How much does the loss in EGT affect back pressure? What does that mean for torque production vs top end power? There are a number of people who have done remote mounted solutions. How much are they leaving on the table by moving the compressor so far down the line all else being equal? I think it would be great to finally see that and end the speculation around the internet.
Can you tell us the afr and timing of these motors and what you consider safe for both of them please. Thank you for everything that you are giving us for free👏👏👏
@@richardholdener1727 You deserve it and a lot more subs. I finally have a plan for a 5.3 you just saved me a whole bunch of money. Keep up the good work brotha!
This is blowing my mind...I'm a Honda guy, and I ran 15 psi on a 50 trim eBay turbo on my stock B18B1 and it made 408 whp. 15 psi on a stock 5.3 made over 1000!? Granted, that was not one, but two turbos that were twice the size, and over twice the displacement and pistons...🤣 🤣 🤣
I always enjoy and appreciate your videos. Sir do think that a set of pistons squirter would help these turbo engines at that boost level.. it's amazing how much power you can make with these turbo engines . That would be a great way to power a boat especially since they have a lot of cooling available. Me and a friend when we were kids had a flat bottom v and with a 302 chev engine we spun to 7500 ..with a set of turbos it would have ran a lot better
Richard if you get a chance to grind up this cam specs are Advertised 272 in and ex At .050 231 in and ex 480 lift using 1.5 rocker 108 lsa Very nice street cam suit small cube v8 or 3.5 lt 6 cyl
Funny enough that I have a LM7 in my 05 Silverado with a single 76mm turbo, BTR stage 4 cam and ported heads, E85. It made 815 to the tires on 12PSI of boost. The only 2 downsides to this is it doesn't create enough vacuum for the power brakes, and the turbo lag is pretty bad. However, I daily this truck and I couldn't imagine how much worse it would break the rear end lose if the lag wasn't there. Just the engine alone is around 450HP so it has no problem smoking the tires, but smoking them at 65-70 MPH will make you "clinch". Its interesting to see a stock bottom end handle 1200HP though. My eagle crank and lightning rods and pistons are only rated for 1800 so GM must have done something very right with the 5.3
I rebuilt a Gen 4 5.3 with all stock bottom end components. Gapped the new rings at 32 and 34 thousandths, ball hone. All new heavy duty bearings, including heavy duty cam bearings. Single 98/88 turbo. SEP 100lb injectors and a Holley Terminator Max. BTR truck cam. My truck is so powerful, that I'm having to learn to drive better to handle it. I cheaped out since i don't want to invest money in the old 8.5 10 bolt, and i welded the spider gears two days ago. My friends don't believe that the stock bottom end can handle 15Lbs of boost, so I show them this video. Thanks Richard, for everything. There's a new tuning shop that popped up recently a few months ago two buildings down fromy shop. I got a quote today for basic dyno tuning with the Holley. They told me $1500 for tuning with up to 5 dyno runs. It took some effort to not laugh. This "new" shop charges twice as much as the well established local competitor
up to 5 runs? That price should be for a full day of testing-including street tuning
@@richardholdener1727 I agree. I'm going to speak with the owner to see what's up. The employee may have mis-quoted. I'd like to build a relationship with them, especially since they're so close. I can hear cars on the Dyno from my shop and it sounds glorious.
And a reach around @@richardholdener1727
I need to build a play set for my kids so Richard can come talk about engines in my yard.
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I’d have torn the skin off my elbow on that bolt knowing my luck
Right
I think you forget composites soften with heat and a dyno cell with unrealistic iat temps for street use is best case for intakes not leaking
@@mddunlap03 WHAT 🤣🤣🤣
27 lbs on a gen 3 5.3 here. Was still alive when I pulled it. Twin setup shifted @8000 ish, no air shifter. Figured it was making around 1350 ish according to fuel consumption. Thanks Richard !!
they definitely can do that
Nice very good motor
Never had an issues with the gen 3 rods ?
I'll go $300 come on guys pump it up help the man out hes the reason I learned how to build ls engines
Holy cow. I just found out that the piston gap is very influential on the performance and durability of the engine. Thank you sir, I learned a lot today
Richard is a genius with motors. Wish I had an opportunity to pay him to build this veteran a motor.
This is ABC of forced induction! When. You force air your adding heat the pistons get hotter rings expand more! So larger gaps are required to handle the expansion. Lean is mean!
Whooooo, yeahzs please. Richard you are one hard working man. Let's get started
I been watching these guys since the hot rodding magazines days. I still get excited like when I was a teenager. I am so happy they have also moved ahead with Technology. I enjoy the videos so much.. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾😁
God I love this channel. I always feel like I got something for free after watching ,then realize I did (knowledge) thanks for all your hard work you have helped so much with my build.
Did anyone else miss the BANG? Great work Richard. Looking forward to an alloy block LS big bang.
Been on board when you first started up.. the channel is definitely growing and in my opinion.. needs about a million subs. Just about everything under the sun is on this channel. Good stuff!
I appreciate that
@@richardholdener1727 I appreciate all the work you do..👍☕
Hey Richard! Can you make a video going over how you disassemble LS setups, swap rods, cranks, measure clearances, maybe what to look for or what not to worry about when putting it back together? It would be a huge help!!!thanks for all the info sir!
What he says ☝️
If it comes from the yard-and it spins-it wins
theres thousands of youtube videos about that kind of stuff already.....in short, no rod swapping in an LS because press-fit piston pins (unless you have a hydraulic press), plenty of vids about bearing clearances, replace the oil passage dumbbell (aluminum one preferrably), replace your timing set, replace all bearings especially cam bearings.
@@rustysausage69 rule number one don't look at your cam bearing..lol
@@draggoneperformancetv1198 lmfao for real
I bet the 5.3 takes more if absolutely pushed. 6.0 iron block walls get thin in a few spots.
I bet it takes 1,700 hp.
I agree shirts
I got all of the notifications turned on. I wouldn't miss a video. Keep up the good work and awesome content! You rock dude!
I read this article a year ago. I've been wanting to see the video of it for so long! Didn't even know if there was a video of it!
Love the Max Effort work as well as the regular work you do, thanks for all the great info !
Outstanding! Even as a Blue Oval guy. How about a new 7.3L w H/C/I and TT’s!
Mark Bulva would love to see but there’s only a handful of them outside of the super duty in the world at the moment
A year later Ford has not released any controller info, accessory drive info, or replacement parts lists....don't hold your breath.
Great video. Lots of information to collect when spec-ing out a build. Thanks for all the stats and honesty about a stock build and a junk yard motor.
March
I’ve learned more from you than anyone in my 43 years ! Great content !
happy to help
You deserve more subscribers..
It's going to come down to the strength of the tuner. You can pull masses of timing over the torque peak and just keep adding boost till fail. I'd like to know how far the stock crank would go as drop in forged piston/rod combos are cheap now.
Those drop in kits available for gen3s?
@@jamieknight9636 2 years late, but yes. Summit has their "Pro" series new forged line of rods and pistons for cheaper than I've ever seen
Press the bell for this guy. He posts so often you might miss something and it’s all good stuff.
THIS FOR SURE☝☝
Stock rod bolts are the weak point huh... Can't rev gen 3 stuff high huh.. gen 3 rods are only good to about 500 crank huh.. your undoing years of internet misguidance and misinformation. Setting the forums on fire one video at a time
Who ever said a gen 3 rod is good for 500 crank? Never heard that one before, interesting. I would probably say the rod bolts argument is somewhat plausible if the engine is installed in a car. At 130hp0 and installed in a car, this engine in the test would not be long for this world.
@@rustysausage69 go to ls1tech and do some reading
@@crazysvt03 I've done a few dozen more hours of research than you think I have, just never heard that claim (i think at least). Then again, I might've seen it and blew it off immediately because I already knew SBE stuff routinely makes 800hp reliably.
@@rustysausage69 ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/1581445-horsepower-limit-bottom-end-stock-02-ls1-engine.html
Ls1 and you should know that has the gen3 bottom end with the exception of a few of the 04 ls1's that had full floating pistons and dimpled rods(gen4) but those are rare ... And yes gen 3 rods from a 5.3 are the same before you say it's a ls1
@@rustysausage69 but either way it's was ment to be a generalization like people do on the internet
I was also able to contact him on my fox body small tire drag car and he helped out! Show this man some support help keep these videos growing.
always help if i can-and will tell you when I don't know
@@richardholdener1727 well you helped out greatly and it was very appreciated. Got all the way to 3rd round during armageddon in oklahoma this year and was beat out buy an over 800 ci nitrous motor by only half a car. Had him beat till little past half track and then he came alive. I'm running a stock 6.0 with 317 heads ( no modification ) only changes is Brian tooley stage 4 cam, spring upgrade and piston and rod everything else completely stock with a Borg 88mm. So I walked away happy
YEEEES IN THE PROCESS OF THIS BUILD NOW IN MY 99S-10 Cant wait to show it
progress?
Slowly but surely building a new shop at the moment. Have the engine together but havent started on the turbos. Between the covid BS and my dad passing I have set it aside but I will post when finished.
@@vigilantseeker7779 sorry to hear that, condolences.
Hey Richard...I would love to see a video on valvetrain stability and high rpm. I've loved your videos where you've discussed this briefly but I need more! I want a high revving engine. Love your videos!
the 8K rpm hybrid was fairly high
If you’re trying to find the limit, find the limit! Rev it to the moon, hit 100% duty cycle on the injectors, add a degree or two (if there’s power to be had). I understand that bigger, better turbos might be budget limited, but let’s see what it’ll do, go to the max!
Very informative about the importance of ring gap 👍
I don’t need the bell notifications. I check every morning for a new video lol
Richard, you really need to sell T-shirts...
yes
id buy a all cams are turbo cams shirt lol
@@richardholdener1727 please do. You’re the best on UA-cam. Seriously. Getting the myths out of the air, and showing people that you can do a lot with a whole little if everything is right. My buddies and I love to drink a few beers around a fire and watch your videos. We learn a lot. Appreciate ya.
@@richardholdener1727 you should drop some t shirts or hoodies before Christmas I would definitely try and get some
Air to air intercooler would be nice if possible. Yessss, more RPM's please! Love these vids, I'm addicted!
ATA is hard to make work in the cel (never enough airflow)
Witch one more rpm air to water or air to air
Any tests with pump gas tunes? It would be interesting to see how much power can be had with 91 octane
Or 93
@@ryanking6651 "and 93".....fixed it for you :)
Pump gas tunes are what interest me most. All the way down to 89 octane California crappy gas.
E85 tunes would be productive to.
Awesome content Richard this Big bang series has been awesome thank you so much buddy you are the man
Disappointed that we didn’t even get to hear the engine run.
sadly no video
@@richardholdener1727 yeah I’d really like to pick your brain on this build here cause I’m about to build a turbo 5.3 and work at a high performance cylinder head shop
@@gunnerdavis3616 hook me up
@@liltyke2635 if only man, but we’re always looking for customers! Check us out at Frankenstein engine dynamics
Agreed. I was wondering how much different his setup sounds compared to my single turbo built LM7 in my Silverado. BTR stage 4 cam. Ported heads. Eagle crank, lightning rod and pistons. 76mm turbo with 12PSI of boost, E85, and I'm putting 810 to the tires. Other than turbo lag and lack of vacuum for the power brakes I thought I had a really strong setup. He just pushed 1200 with a stock bottom end and twin turbo. And I guarantee it spools up a lot faster than mine. But hey. I daily it and it has ice cold AC.
Thanks to these videos im building a turbo ls for my 1st gen s10 blazer
I’m building, this exact set up on my box Chevy!
Holy Hell. Really impressed. I have a stock LM7 5.3 Gen3 engine, didn’t ring gap or change anything, stock internals, stock heads, ls2 cam, ls6 intake, 2 x GT 35 Turbos running 5 pounds of boost, Link G4+ computer. 468 rwhp, 670 ft-lbs torque. Should run for years. Can’t wait to put it through the drags and see what it will do. Fairly heavy car (xjs jag) but should go ok. Hopping for mid to low 12 second standing quarter mile
468 hp and 670 lb-ft-I'm guessing an automatic?
at what RPM are you starting to make boost? I want to do a similart thing with my truck but want low RPM boost for towing.
Supercharged is the best for low end boost. But a 78 mm turbo with a 96 a/r hot side builds boost quickly. Any more then 8psi just blows the tires off on a truck.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, start a patron to help funding. Even if you had a consulting fee to evaluate an engine combo I'd spend a 100 or whatever to discuss it with you before I spend any money buying parts. I would also be down to buy parts from a combo after you test it. Like I really want to to see what the summit 8720 cam is like in an l92 even though it's similar to the GM "Hot Cam"
Or even partner up with a company like summit to test parts/combos guys want to run. I would be super thankful to see what a cam and heads can do with a link to a video right on the page.
I'd like to see you try 50/50 coolant and stick it in a cold freezer at like -30 since it will still be a liquid for the intercooler. Ice water is always going to be warmer than 0C otherwise it would just freeze.
Check his previous videos on his channel. He mentioned patron info about a month ago. He even mentioned top tier supporters (only 2) could pay $250 for 12 months=$3000 for a motor that he's going to assemble, test/tune! Look into it bro. 👍 I'm about to drop the link!!!
ua-cam.com/video/oDpMx6xmUm0/v-deo.html
@@mojocp581 thanks
@@fredherb4805 No problem. That's what we're here for!
Great video Richard! Great work!!
Damn bro, 503 HP NA? They always say, if you're going to turbo a NA engine start with a healthy engine...I'd say you achieved that...
@@hondatech5000 *except two strokes 😅🤣
I want to see what a gen 3 coyote does. 530 at the wheels with just headers and tune is common and have seen 1250hp pulls with stock motors and trans with tune and turbo kit also had upgraded fuel pump in tank.
@Trevor Lahey woops, you're wrong. 🤣 ua-cam.com/video/YRFrFudg7eM/v-deo.html
@@rhubarbpie2027 two strokes can take boost. We had a few in the Air Force.
@@arfrce72 maybe a two stroke detroit diesel, not a traditional small engine found on tools and powersports though.
I clicked on notifications because it GIVES ME KNOWLEDGE
I really really really want you to revisit this with bigger turbos
Great stuff Richard, you seem to have the best job on earth
Please do this on a Hemi, especially the old 6.1 engine!
@Opha Keith III ...do u have a 6.1 Hemi?? I've been thinking about getting a '08 - '10 SRT8 Challenger...
@@ghostrt1608 I have a Jeep SRT8. Its a very fun set up and enjoy it a lot.
@@Opha216 ...stock or modded??? I was at the track a few years ago & watched a jeep SRT8 smoked a 350Z real bad (3 times, back to back runs)...made a believer outta me that day
It won't get anywhere near 1500
Wow these things are the best budget engines for the money!! Amazing 😁💪💪👏🏼👌
I am totally amazed!!! Thank you
Way to do it right, Richard!!! Cool test!!
Great Information Richard as always... 5.3s are some bad MF's and that's a well known fact buddy💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💯
Woooohoooo Im commenting before I even watched a video...love the max stuff .. going with a 5.3 or 6.0 in my fox soon I just want low 9s or 1k to the wheels street car ...love the videos Richard..👍👍👍👍
Everyone loves revvy LSs, so if you do revist this thing you could hit two birds with one stone and try to science out a cheap high rev valvetrain package (ideally just cam/springs) for the likes of 8k rpm. From there you could realllllly make those rods do work with some boost in there. Could we hit 2khp on a sbe LS? Probably not, but 1k ft/lbs at 8k would be 1500hp and we know it'll take that level of cylinder pressure.
I might not have a use for the intake. But I hope people bid high on it. I love the videos and the knowledge you share with us.
Engine theory is fun.
When you say ring gap,do you gap all three rings on the piston to .035?
um, yeah dude!!!
Subscribed and Belled it. this is going to be a great video. Pop Corn is ready!
Would love to see a vortec 4200 turbo build.
yes
Richard, Im putting a similar 5.3 in my gbody and love to watch this test. Ive ordered 2 - VSRacing 7875's. T4, 1.25ar. Cant wait to see how it performs until my 408 is built. Lol.
You need to do an LS Big Bang collab with James Taal. He’s a bad influence and he’d have you shifting her at 8600 with a 700 shot, 30 lbs, and all the timing
no one else has done this yet
@@richardholdener1727 what is the recommended ring gap for alot of boost and is this the standard for all makes
@@deonh8447 .007 of ring gap per inch of bore diameter.
Awesome video. Can we get a video on how to calculate ring gap and how to properly add ring gap? I know shops have special tools for that but what can the average DIY guy use to to add ring gap. I would love to see that.
calculate is .007 per 1 inch of bore-can be done with a file, ring cutter or even whizzy wheel
@@richardholdener1727 from the current stock gap correct?
Can you try doing say an LS7 or LSX naturally aspirated and see what you can get out of it with stock or stroked? ive seen an lsx with 900hp n/a , lets see what u can do!
Frankenstein got over 1000 NA with their F710 heads
Let's see a build comparison of the many combos your doing and a added indexing the spark plugs to see what's the difference in power output.
Hey! Would you ever be interested in testing the horse power limitation of an air to water intercooler for a 6.7 power stroke? Super curious to see how it’d work on a LS!
is this meth or alcohol pump e85 or vp 85 fuel oxegenated, could you show spark map plz.
THE FUEL USED WAS 114 OCTANE RACE GAS, NOT E85
Awesome!! I’m rebuilding the same engine I was planning on doing .24 on the top ring .26 on the bottom ring I see you used .30 what is the gap for the second ring? Wanna make sure I don’t blow my engine up!
we use .030 for both
Thanks so much love you videos!!!
Richard do you or if not have you ever thought of offering built motors? Meaning you can have motors already built and ready to be purchased or you can take an order with money up front of course for a custom build for a customers requested requirements.
no thanks
Pls do a boosted 300 inline motor. I have one that I have had at 18psi and im wondering how far it will go. If you need a motor you can use mine amd its all set for boost already
Whats done to it sir id love to know what it ran like at 18 psi I bet it was standing tall
@@kevinjohnson9372 its no high dollar motor for sure. Currently it has a ported head with plugs I machined too fill the air injection holes before I ported the exhaust side. It's cammed with forged pistons and arp studs. Single turbo with an ms2 extra ecu. Thats about it.... At 18 psi I hauled ass! With a full truck bed of stuff on the way to the dump I was running door to door with a c6 vette down the highway at 11psi. I have rods for it so I can turn it up more but ive been building a new chassis so its been sitting
I live to see some build thread or video of it thats neatern hell
@@kevinjohnson9372 in no Richard holdener but I have some build visor and pics on youtube and Instagram. @twinturbor for insta and just go too my profile for youtube
I needed this!! Got my gen3 5.3 on the stand ready to put some gap in it.
Would love to see this test done on a 360 magnum
Saw a guy do a junkyard 360 in a 68 or 69 Cuda. Blow thru carb, twin GN turbos. Low 10s. Water injection setup was crazy. Boost referenced from the carb hat (old Banks marine hat) and used an old FIRE EXTINGUISHER as the reservoir for the water. And a 727 trans. It worked. Owner said it laid tire in 3rd gear and rolling into the throttle. LMAO!
@@jaydubb71 not enough love for small block mopars i have a 82 w150 that i thinks would be sweet with a turbo 360.
@@noahwest3072 ...or better yet, a twin turbo 360...lol
Thanks for sharing this. Saved thousands!
Hey Rich, I have been curious about the test that you did where you tested the 317 heads against the 823 heads that outflows the 317, but lost the hp and torque test... my question is if they were turbo charged by the same turbo, would the engine with the 823 heads still have less power at the same boost pressure, also would the exhaust pressure be less or more? Would the power curve start earlier 🤔
the LY6 rec port head flows more and makes more power-both na and under boost. the cath port 317 head make a touch more down low-na and under boost
Love your videos man! Inspired my build. Keep it up Richard !!
Thanks! Will do!
Actually I think the 5.3 might be able to match the 6.0 Big bang numbers.. despite the smaller size and it might even live a little bit longer due to the thicker bores between the cylinders depending on the cylinder head selection of course and the ability to keep those cylinder heads clamped to the block
the rod breaks before the gasket gives up
The local junkyard needs to sponsor you! That way you can have access to any motor your heart desires and to dyno it 😆
I wish!
Junkyard motor idea- I loved the 1998 Dakota RT when it came out with its 5.9L Magnum. Can you do a series with that junkyard engine?
Them graphs are very consistent. Very, very nice
Yah, higher rpm, use a holley high ram. Be cool to see you find a turbo off a diesel semi and see how much power you can make with one of them
Or two of them.
Richard you could make a killing by have top end kits for sale.Even crate motors built after the customer payed in full and dyno on your show.
that's not what this channel is-not really about a selling business-more info
Don't you sale engines now?
Ice cold mountain dew in the intercooler. You'll get all the horsepowers
Dry-ice
Cleetus, go home
Fanta?
My favorite
This isn't Cleetus Mcfartcan show
@richard holdener So when are you going to do a Big Bang with an l83 gen V motor with a stock bottom end, turbo setup
yes
I think the next evolution of this should be 92 octane and air to air IC.
Let's make it challenging, California 91 octane donkey piss!!
Air to air isn’t very good on the dyno. Hard to get sufficient airflow across it.
87 octane, air to air and water meth lol
nope on the pump gas
Come on Rich! We need the "real street Big Bang" test. What will it do in the real world vs the dyno cell......
Bell has been tapped. Love the content. 1 min after posting I’m watching 👍. Bring the BOOST!!!
We need to se a big bang coyote
Yessssss
They are getting cheaper. Saw a gen 3 yote from an f150 for 2800$ on ebay buy it now
Coyotes just don't hold up chain fatigue ( power Automedia) prove that over a year ago, the ls was just a better design
they didn't do a good job
@@damianellis3554 lmfao, stock sealed coyote on boost went 7.90s in the 1/4 already, 3500lbs too. Show a stock 5.3 that's done that. Gtfoh
Richard im very impressed in the 5.3 L that u did run on the big bang and made a a lot of horsepower and tongue. Also building a 5.3 turbo motor and been researching like crazy for info on it. i think im going to try to do the same here. Also u said that 706 heads would work just the same if they where ported. Like to pick your brain on this combination
ported stock 706 heads work well-check out the big bang 4.8L
@@richardholdener1727 I DID WATCH THE 4.8 BIG BANG AND WAS VERY INPRESSED. BUT ONE QUESTION I KNOW U JUST HAD A CAM LAYING AROUND AND THREW IT IN MOTOR. BUT IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT CAM TO THROW IN IT WHAT WOULD U GET FOR THE 5.3 WITH STOCK BOTTOM AND RINGS GAP WIH 706 HEADS ON IT
@@richardholdener1727 Ik I’m a little late to this videos. And I’m just starting out my first 5.3 build. And if it’s your will to help me out with this same situation will be really appreciated. Thanks
Do you check or replace the bearings in the engine before you do the big bag test? Just wondering about oil pressure issues at such high cylinder pressures.
I don't-we reuse the junkyard stuff
It went 200k miles. What good is new bearings going to do. If it spins it wins.
@@The980Junior JR is proud of you. 👍
If you were to redo this test today, what would be the main changes you would make?
Which VS turbo was in the video when you mentioned much better options?
And finally if there were no limitations for hood clearance, what intake would you run with this type of setup?
S475s were run on the 6.0L Big Bangs-they can support a lot more power than the little 76mm turbos from CX Racing
You should start adding your paypal & patreon info in the video description. . . . .
no patreon yet-but did paypal in the big bang live K24 video
I'd like to see sbe weight matched rods balanced rotating assembly and see if it takes more power without the harmonics
doubt its a harmonics problem
@@richardholdener1727 it still would be cool to see if there is a difference in the stock bottom end holding up with it all machined and balanced and weight Matched
I was just watching the coyote vs ls where they spent 15k on each their coyote made like 2 hp more than that 5.3l with 15k spent on it what a bunch of fools
Both could take very little to make great hp the ls need ring gap and the coyote mainly needs cs/opg and they both ready for 1,000
@@speedjunkie887 but $$$ between the 2 motors is $15k - $20k for Ford & $500 for GM
@@g1967except in that challenge they bought an lsx. Not a factory block at all
The coyote made 2000 more hp then the ls.?
@fatnfurious9171 no just 2 but they were just spending money for no reason basically you can search ls vs coyote they started with some amount of money and then said they'd put $15k in to them both I think they both had a failure on the dyno I think the ls was head gasket it's like you spent $15,000 and couldn't afford head studs
Mr. Holdener, I had a special request. If at all possible, could you do a remote turbo test on one of your engines where the turbos are mounted 10-15ft away from the engine?
Maybe show how much wrapping the exhaust or the diameter of piping affects the curve and document EGTs, EMAP and pressure drop compared to an identical front mounted system. As always I truly enjoy just how thorough your videos are!
the engine dyno is not the ideal test place for response rate changes
@@richardholdener1727 Sir, thanks for responding. I guess I should've worded it differently. I'm not particularly looking for response changes. That kind of test would be akin to trying to test ball bearing vs journal on the dyno. I'm trying to have illustrated the more pertinent information. How much does the loss in EGT affect back pressure? What does that mean for torque production vs top end power? There are a number of people who have done remote mounted solutions. How much are they leaving on the table by moving the compressor so far down the line all else being equal? I think it would be great to finally see that and end the speculation around the internet.
@@richardholdener1727 further thoughts?
Can you tell us the afr and timing of these motors and what you consider safe for both of them please. Thank you for everything that you are giving us for free👏👏👏
AFR was mid 11s and timing was 20 degree at the top
Thank you so much for this upload. You explained everything so clear. New sub for sure.
Thanks for the sub!
@@richardholdener1727 You deserve it and a lot more subs. I finally have a plan for a 5.3 you just saved me a whole bunch of money. Keep up the good work brotha!
I Think what hes trying to tell me is that I got 300 more HP in my set up :D
Kyle jumping in the bounce house. Get that V!
Remember, you’re making 1000+ at the wheels. That means you’re already making around 1200-1300 at the crank.
His numbers are off so don't get happy. Yull still lose to anything with a Ls in it
@@god1st.530 whos numbers, richards? boosted lifestyles? Play-dohs? your clearly a ford fanboy, go blow some more sparkplugs in your tritons
Hey Richard, I would love to try and replicate this build, can I have some more information on the turbos, intake, and cam that you used? Thanks
all that info is in the video
This is blowing my mind...I'm a Honda guy, and I ran 15 psi on a 50 trim eBay turbo on my stock B18B1 and it made 408 whp. 15 psi on a stock 5.3 made over 1000!? Granted, that was not one, but two turbos that were twice the size, and over twice the displacement and pistons...🤣 🤣 🤣
a stock B18B1 doesn't make 400 hp at 15 psi-having tested a dozen of those for the three Honda books-they make 120 whp (or so) stock
I always enjoy and appreciate your videos. Sir do think that a set of pistons squirter would help these turbo engines at that boost level.. it's amazing how much power you can make with these turbo engines . That would be a great way to power a boat especially since they have a lot of cooling available. Me and a friend when we were kids had a flat bottom v and with a 302 chev engine we spun to 7500 ..with a set of turbos it would have ran a lot better
good for reliability and heat management
Why dont you give us your paypal next video and we can all pitch in a dollar or five. It adds up
killerbe16@aol.com
Richard if you get a chance to grind up this cam specs are
Advertised 272 in and ex
At .050 231 in and ex
480 lift using 1.5 rocker
108 lsa
Very nice street cam suit small cube v8 or 3.5 lt 6 cyl
Lots of calls for a 5.3 on pump gas video! Give the people what they want :D
max power and pump gas don't mix
I agree, lets see what can be made on 93. Big ping videos!
Can’t wait to see it done again bigger turbos rev it out big powa
Gap in the teens at 200k.. .. my Silvys L33 should be ready at 400k then haha
Man I love your videos. Thank you for bringing the knowledge.
personally, I blame killer hornets
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Ryan Axberg : Any AMC with a 4.75 inch bore spacing V8 is indeed dangerous...
Funny enough that I have a LM7 in my 05 Silverado with a single 76mm turbo, BTR stage 4 cam and ported heads, E85. It made 815 to the tires on 12PSI of boost. The only 2 downsides to this is it doesn't create enough vacuum for the power brakes, and the turbo lag is pretty bad. However, I daily this truck and I couldn't imagine how much worse it would break the rear end lose if the lag wasn't there. Just the engine alone is around 450HP so it has no problem smoking the tires, but smoking them at 65-70 MPH will make you "clinch". Its interesting to see a stock bottom end handle 1200HP though. My eagle crank and lightning rods and pistons are only rated for 1800 so GM must have done something very right with the 5.3
you have a 5.3L that makes 450 whp na?