@@Writeous0ne Na bro we care about football loads down here, but most people support english teams as the welsh league has always been basically grass roots. It's all due to how the FA for wales and england we're set up in the past. Obviously the decision to seperate the leagues heavily hindered the welsh and the money in the welsh pyramid has never been there.
It should be noted that the Cymru Premier is mostly a semi-professional league, with most of the teams not even being professional teams. In fact the New Saints is pretty much the only professional team aside from, what I can gather, 3 other teams Basically, the Welsh league is a semi-professional league with The New Saints farming every year for European football
@@vince7207 Yeah they did, back then they were still actually in Wales too. Merged with Oswentry Town in 2003 and relocated to the English border Plus not even half of their regular starting 11 is from Wales, they're just farming and not even growing Welsh players. It's crazy
I mean in the MLS, the Canadian teams play in their domestic cup in Canada, which allows them to qualify for the ccl (Concacaf Champions League). So it's quite similar to that.
@@iainmaley3319 the idea that wrexham, swansea and cardiff would have a monopoly on all english clubs just because they have an easy route to the qualifying rounds is insane imo even newport could win the cup from league two for example whilst a premier league team would have to be quite literally one the best club football teams in the world to get UECL football
My local team (Haverfordwest County) got into the Conference League qualifying rounds a couple of years ago. It was mental. We beat Shkëndija of North Macedonia on penalties but lost to B36 Tórshavn in the next round. The only downside of the whole thing is that we had to play our home matches at the Cardiff City Stadium - which is about 100 miles away.
Also local in Haverfordwest. Small world lol. Yea I remember and was rooting for them to get into Conference League. Shame to play potentially 100 miles away as it cuts out a lot of their fans.
Up the county. That was a hell of night and I think if the chance to fight in Europe is something else for teams in the Welsh league. We aren't England but we have a passion and the fact that UA-camrs are talking about us we must be doing something right
Just to let you know the welsh lingo is the lingo that translates the famous hieroglyphics in the pyramids = its the language of the heavens. .. pass it on!
Needed to have my say. Yeah, TNS play in Oswestry just across the border, however, they were originally Llansanffraid FC and they were a very successful Welsh side. In 2003, they were doing well and were approached by a financially struggling Oswestry Town FC about a potential merge of the two teams. Oswestry is only 10 minutes down the road and they also played in the league of Wales so when the two clubs combined, it made no sense to move to the English leagues especially since most of the power was coming from Llan. The club's heritage is Welsh and there was a lot of fuss about them moving to the new stadium in Oswestry. Even today, despite their success, a lot of Welsh football fans dislike TNS and refuse to support them. I should know, I'm a local. I support Guilsfield, the team which you flashed up at 9:12 and I was one of the 140 who turned up.
The problem with saying that argument about Welsh being born in England, is that the norm around a lot of European countries. A lot of Dutch players are born in Surinamese, a lot of French players are born in Africa, Germany have a lot of Turkish players, Spain have a lot of South American players. Playing for Wales, every player and staff is expected to sing the national anthem (Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau), they are taught it if they've never played youth age group level for Wales. The coaching staff instill Welshness into the players including history and social lessons about the country of Wales, this goes through teh youth ranks all teh way until the Seniors. Another fact about them is that at the moment, every captain (both male and female) in Wales's two favourite sports, all speak Welsh as their first language. To say that a Welsh player is not Welsh because of where they were born is completely disingenious to what it means to be Welsh and to play for Wales.
There used to be a tournament called the FAW Premier Cup that had Swansea, Cardiff etc in alongside the Welsh league clubs up to 2008… was always really well attended and great to have those teams travelling to us! I’d fully welcome that move in the League Cup to grow interest in the domestic game
It'll probably end up like Vaduz in Switzerland if it goes through. They still play in the Swiss leagues and stuff, but are also allowed in the Lichtenstein Cup, so get a bit of european football that way.
They're not entirely analogous as the reason that Liechtensteiner clubs play in the Swiss league is because there is no Liechtenstein league at all; they don't have a choice. If the four Welsh teams in question were to participate in one country's league system but the other's knockout competitions, they'd be leaving themselves open to the criticism of essentially taking advantage of a geographical quirk, picking and choosing which country they choose to belong to depending on which suits them better.
Swansea City have represented England in the Europa League as EFL Cup holders since UEFA ruled that Vaduz can't represent Switzerland in Europe even if they somehow win the Swiss league, so no, Liechtenstein can't be cited as a precedent for Wales to follow.
Vaduz can't go to Europe via the Swiss league maybe because they are still registered under the LFV instead of the Swiss FA, or is it a Swiss FA sanctioning?
Since you mentioned them early, I think the downfall of Valencia would also make for interesting stuff for your analysis. They barely escaped relegation last season, this season they're last in La Liga after losing to Las Palmas, which beat them to get their first league win since February and were dead last before beating and overtaking Valencia.
0:00 The New Saints, Bala Town, Flint Town United, Haverfordwest County, The Nomads (Connahs Quay), Aber, Cardiff Met and Pen-y-bont are all the teams I can remember. The Cymru Premier is the leagues name (I didn't look it up, i'm a Cymru Premier Fan)
You only have to go back to the early 90's for Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham to be playing in the Welsh FA cup so the idea has a strong historical president. Also in 1992 the final was Cardiff City vs Hednesford Town (Hednesford is on the north side of Birmingham). The last Welsh cup final to have more than 10,000 tickets sold was Wrexham vs Cardiff in 95. It was UEFA that forced the change in the 90's not the clubs or the Welsh FA. So, I'm all for having some better teams playing in the Welsh FA cup, if they have their grounds in Wales, as that's how it used to be.
The New Saints stadium is located in Oswestry; also known Croesoswallt. Which is both a histrionicly welsh area , and indeed has it own welsh speakers. It even is debated to this day whether Oswestry is either english or should be considered apart of wales as it falls on the border between the two; however years ago the territory of Oswestry would have been predominantly welsh due to its close borders and culture which is imbraced there. Thats not to say that it isnt in England by location but just to say that is has its links to wales in some form. 🏴
As a Cardiff fan, I’m happy in the English system. The old welsh cup route into Europe used to be fun, and a few English teams were invited and even won the cup. I think if Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport, and Merthyr entered again, then a few English teams should be invited as well to make it fair. The only other way to make to make it fair, is to not let the welsh clubs qualify for Europe through the English system. We can’t have our cake and eat it.
@@Steaks652 You think a Welsh Premier league club has the facilities to keep him for for the international tournament (which was the sole reason he prolonged his career an extra 6 months)? Although it could have been a fairytale end to his career, it could have ruined his chances at one last major international tournament. Also, the reality is that it probably wouldn’t have the long lasting positive effect on the Welsh club as you’d imagine. Sure, there would be a short term boost in attendances (and even that wouldn’t be as much as you think due to how few people most Welsh teams can fit in the crowd), but as has been proven with big names is smaller leagues, that initial interest often goes when the player does. Also, let’s be honest. If he were to join any club, it would likely to have been a Cardiff or Swansea, and in that situation, his career would have ended pretty much the same way as it did in the US, the only difference is it would have been a Welsh team spending those wages on a player rarely able to play instead of an American one
The main problem with Welsh clubs being quite small is because the majority of people in wales support the Big 6, if they actually supported local teams like Cardiff, Swansea, Newport etc they’d be bigger
I was just looking into welsh football yesterday when I saw an ad for new saints in the conference league and I wondered "Where are they from I've never heard of them before" this video is perfectly timed lmao
More than 4 teams historically used to play in the English pyramid. When the Cymru Premier was formed in 1992, 5 Welsh sides switched from non-league, and more recently Colwyn Bay joined in 2019. A lot of Welsh clubs were also part of the Southern League (which for a while in the 1920s had a ‘Welsh Division’), with Merthyr Town still playing there.
local team Aberystwyth so this might just be specific to us, but the main issue with the Welsh leagues is the lack of investment in the youth, teams cant afford to take the risk of a lot of young players because of the likes of TNS, so they just import boys in from cheshire/ Liverpool area, so the fans don't feel any connection or affinity to these players, leading to people not going and then leads to no money coming in. So its forever a deadly cycle. So the idea of the money having to be re-invested is great! we need new facilities and better facilities to be able to promote from within and not just import. National identity is key like you said. Great to see a video being made on this and highlighting the issues we have.
This is like how Canada does continental qualifications having our top three clubs playing in the USA-based MLS. The Canadian Championship (Voyageur Cup) involves the 3 MLS clubs, the 8 clubs from the Canadian Premier League, and winners of the third-tier regional semi-pro leagues. So far, MLS clubs have won every competition, but the CPL clubs have held their own, and the competition has raised their level. This is a good thing for all involved.
If this happens, the interesting thing will be if one of the 4 teams get into the Premier League (maybe a long shot for Newport tbf but still). UEFA will only let them qualify via the Welsh League Cup or via The PL, English FA Cup or Carabao Cup. So if a side gets into the PL and feels it can qualify for Europe through the English system (as they have a PL quality team), do they pull out of the Welsh League Cup? As taking national pride out of it, it is better to qualify for Europe as an "English" team as you at most will have to play one qualifier (in the Conf League, the CL and EL you just go into the league phase) and you will get more TV money as England are substantially higher than Wales in the coefficient rankings (which is partly used for that). So I think the Welsh FA need to get a legally binding assurance from the 4 teams that they have to commit to this new way for at least 10 years or something, they can't just pull out and go back into it whenever they want really.
They shouldn’t be allowed to pull out of the Welsh Cup. They should be only allowed to qualify through the Welsh Cup (to the UECL) or the PL (based on position). People saying Welsh-English clubs should be kicked from the pyramid though are selfish tbh.
Interesting that they compete in the fa cup , efl cup and welsh cup then, for example in Canada the mls teams from there compete in the Canadian championship but not in the us open cup, in fairness , us open cup is a mess as over half the league has pulled out, but I’m just wondering if it’s fair to other clubs particularly if like a conference league spot is on the line or something
As a welshman i would love it if my team cardiff city enter the welsh cup and potentially go onto a major european tournament. this can only be a positive step to give teams like cardiff swansea wrexham and newport the spotlight in a major european cup competition stage.
If they want European football, they should play in the Welsh league. It's bullshit for them to get all of the benefits of Welsh football while freeloading off of the English pyramid.
Given how much work goes into making / editing videos , videos that get titled “ no one cares “ ect make me laugh. You clearly care enough to give it the time of day!
The Welsh clubs in the English System should be allowed to play in the Welsh Cup, but they cannot qualify into Europe through the FA or EFL Cup, given they’ll have a easier route to the Conference League. Qualification gotta be for UECL too. Also they have to still play in the English cups.
If they take part in the Welsh cup, they shouldn't be even part of at least 1 of the 2 (FA or EFL). But I like the idea & it's the same with the canadian MLS franchises which play the canadian cup.
I think if English clubs in Europe, and Welsh teams left the English League Cup - it's a win-win for everyone. Clubs outside of the Big 6 have a chance to win a trophy and play in Europe, Big 6 club get lower fixture congestion, Welsh clubs get regular football against Welsh EFL clubs, and Welsh EFL clubs have a real chance of winning the Welsh League Cup, and playing in Europe again.
Ipswich were (many years ago) regulars in Europe, my dad, grandad and uncle saw us win the UEFA Cup in ‘81. I really hope I can see us there in my lifetime! European football is so so special, often taken for granted tbf! Also bigup Vizeh, video drops and my day gets groovier 😎
southampton supporters are still acting as if they regularly win the Euro Cup but then again , they are a. “ big club “. Ipswich finished 2nd in Div 1 if i remember correctly- which immediately makes them more successful & perhaps’ Bigger ‘ than mighty Real Southampton 🙄👍
@@ByddinRhyddidCymru Yes, times change. Newport were in the Southern League at the time, and now they're in the EFL, unlike Caernarfon and Colwyn Bay who went to court with them and won, but ultimately gave up English football, Newport actually got to the League. So yes, times have changed, but they've changed to make it less likely Newport would go over.
As a Welsh person (groan), I believe that the E.P.L. 'Welsh' clubs either go all in to Welsh footy proper, or stays in the English League. It would be unfair to *every* football club in England, and Wales if they got an easy way into Europe. The reason that so many English lads play here is because they're better players, period! This league needs the Welsh F.A. to encourage successful people to start clubs in the cities and big towns that are independent of the E.F.L. clubs. Newport City are one such club. As for T.N.S. featuring no Welsh players, you're absolutley wrong on that.
To be fair, there are examples of players from different nations choosing to represent other countries at every level and with every country, just depends which one you identify with most. Raheem Sterling was born and spent his formative years in Jamaica, but no one would doubt that he's English. Also, you have to consider that England's population is 19 times that of Wales and likely because of that, Wales doesn't have the infrastructure to support away travel to matches on the different side of a much more difficult to traverse country. See for example how someone would get a train from Carmarthen to Aberystwyth (it takes 6 hours to complete a 50 mile journey). As someone who supports the side with the best following in the Welsh Pyramid (Caernarfon), we usually get between 500-1000 at home games, bearing in mind that the population of the town is 10,000. These clubs are much smaller and represent much smaller communities than those in the English pyramid, but recent results in Europe have suggested that the disrespect toward the league is a bit harsh. Caernarfon beat Northern Irish side Crusaders over two legs at the start of this season, and they drew Wolves at their ground a couple of years back.
I'm from Tschörmany and my suggestion for recruiting teams into a British Premier League is a "intermediate Scotish-Welsh-Northern Irish League" with 24 teams (Scotland 12, NI 8, Wales 4 teams). The champions (well... Celtic) would promote to Premier League as well as the Championchip champions. Both intermediate and Championschip teams finishing 2-5 would compete in single-matched Play-Offs to determine the third promoted team. This modus would be held for to years and SCO-NI-WAL integrated stepwise afterwards.
I've always said that the Welsh teams should be playing in there country's league. Even if they do dominate it each year between them, it would still be better than just one team winning everything and no different than Scotland.
This is quite frequent, aside from Welsh teams playing in English divisions, we have Canadian, Puerto Rico, Bermuda in MLS and USL, Monaco in France, Andorra in Spain, Vaduz in Switzerland,
The welsh league is so poor because of the fact some teams compete in English football. Like my local team pen y bont, majority of people here support cardiff, but still watch bont when they have time. So most of the time it’s a case where it’s a lot of teams second teams. Especially down south where 3 of the 4 teams play.
Sorba Thomas' mother's side is entirely Welsh, and spend every summer growing up in Wales. Granted I can concede he may have preferred to play for England if he had the quality, it's slightly remiss to assume that if someone's not born in Wales they simply play for the country out of convenience. Brennan Johnson is born in England, but literally has the Welsh map tattooed on his arm.
What a lot of English people don't realise is that the many people born in England to Welsh families is a cause of post-industrial emigration, tens of thousands of Welsh people left the country in search of jobs as successive London governments basically forced them to (my grandparents left Wales to South Africa for mining work). We still have a huge emotional connection to Wales, its culture, music, stories... I think this is something that a lot of English people just can't understand.
by the look of that line up of players’ strips at the start , i can only recognise Yeovil Town - which explains why they’ve been invisible for the past 2 seasons ❤️🍒
I'm glad you're making this video, as someone who attended his first Cymru Premier game this season (I'd lived in England till a few years ago) this could be a big help if used correctly. Make sure you play games on a Friday night, Saturday and Sunday and make the big 4 play the fixtures as away teams you'll get the turn out from the Fans of these clubs. Do I think Swansea fans will turn up for a home game against Briton Ferry Llansanwel no but if you play it at Briton Ferry's place the ground will be full at the atmosphere amazing.
Think it's worth noting that virtually all the teams in the Cymru Premier are located in towns with populations of about 15-20,000. Imagine the Scottish Prem if teams in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee were playing in England and the rest of the towns in a Scottish league.
I didn't really like the Welsh Football, but I would say The New Saints are quite familiar with the English Football. In the past, TNS were the first opponents of Manchester City when the latter played their first home games in European Football at the current Etihad Stadium, while also faced Liverpool in the Champions League first qualification round after the latter qualified as a defending champions (despite being 5th in the Premier League).
I’m a season ticket holder with Cardiff City I also regularly go an watch Cardiff Met Uni in the JD premier League as there ground is only a short walk from my house
I can imagine Merthyr's attendances would drop if they left the English pyramid to join the Welsh one. Just look at Barry vs Penybont the other day, big game, a local rivalry (just 15 miles apart), in a quarter final of the league cup and only 300 in attendance. Merthyr got over 900 at their last league game.
@@Mrd92.I don't think that's true at all. Colwyn bay were playing in England before 2019 and they rarely got any fans, now they're one of the most followed teams in the Welsh leagues. if Merthyr joined the Welsh league it would boost attendances, they would be playing against local teams instead of quimford on the wibble from england
Merthyr would easily outnumber the Welsh Premier League teams in attendance. It was the 2015 UEFA grassroots team of the year, has probably the best stadium outside the League.. and they had their own European triumph beating Atalanta. Source: Merthyr man
I LOVE your channel, so not a spicy comment but players born in England to Welsh parents are still Welsh. Just because they are born in an English hospital, doesn't change the fact that they are brought up watching and supporting Wales and Welsh clubs and constantly told that they are Welsh by their Welsh parent(s). I have several "London Welsh" friends who are crazier than me about the national team. It's not just to play international football because they aren't good enough to play for England, as you suggested. Thanks for making a video about us! 🎉🙌🐉
Theres actually five welsh teams in the English pyramid. Merthyr Town play in the premier south league (2 below national league), the highest league they've got to is the national league but have managed to squeeze in a couple of FA cup appearances.
To improve the quality of Welsh football it would be a massive boost, in the short term the gap would be massive but if Welsh teams can compete, it will attract more money, in turn help clubs buy better players and make the league more competitive. I think allowing the EFL clubs in the tournament would be a boost but I would say they would have to leave the EFL cup in that case
It might be controversial but I think incorporating the Welsh football pyramid into the English one just makes sense, as there's such a juxtaposition in the calibre of teams, even in the top level in Wales, and this would allow them to play against other teams more in their level
Cwmbran Town, Llanelli AFC, Rhyl FC, Connah's Quay, Bangor City, Barry Town, penybont, Haverfordwest, caernarfon, Bala Town, aberystwyth.... There's more but my brain hurts so....
@@hectorae86It's probably because they made history with that first title and were quite famous for it. My girlfriend lives near Cwmbran but I've never been to see them play, she's a Newport fan so I go there usually with her.
i like it, I'm sure the 4 English League Welsh Clubs would sacrifice playing in the English FA Cup to play in the Welsh FA Cup instead, the proposal would be similar to the current Liechtenstein system which is good and helps FC Vaduz, The only 2 downsides to this would be they wouldn't ever get to play in the Champions League even if they made top 4 of the EPL, which hasn't happened to a Welsh Club before anyway so not over worrying, they would have to win Conference league and Europa League back to back if they were to ever make it. Other downside would be to the current 3rd/4th Cymru Team who is taking that spot would now miss out on the Conference League spot. But if the whole Cymru League get more money overall then i'm sure they won't mind trying to fight for a higher place. The Cymru League winner still gets the Champions League 1st round qualifying spot so they aren't missing out on that.
When you said thing of a Welsh team that play domestically, I thought of TNS not sure if there a team anymore but used to be quite high in the welsh league.
Quite frankly the FAW are shit. Clubs such as my local ( CPD Pwllheli) have fundraised and used government grants to get money to build a new clubhouse, we only had one visit by the FAW, one guy that said that building the clubhouse would be impossible. Here we are a year later and the FAW are knocking on our door to find out how the hell did we build the clubhouse without their help. The FAW is rotten to the core, can't do anything right, me and my father were invited to an award ceremony for clubs in the North of Wales and it was hosted in a fucking McDonalds, referees are genuinely crap in the lower leagues and even in the U17s league i play in. Something has to happen in the lower leagues first to get more traction to the first tier.
I can see it working for welsh teams to compete in both leagues by using it to develop with the capacity of younger players, but they may have to be larger in size to prioritise playing teams of greater quality in the upcoming age group leagues which presumably mix with the top teams in both the EPL and championship, depending on how good these welsh teams are... Sounds complicated but interesting!
Adding the 4 clubs will only boost attendances and revenue for smaller clubs, im a swansea fan and I would imagine lot of swans fans would travel in numbers as most teams we play are 150 + miles away
Imagie @ 4:55 - This is Bognor Regis which is in Hampshire, very much not in wales! Not sure if this was a mistake in your edit or I just missed the context lol
"Cymru" is, essentially, the same name as the English county, "Cumbria". The fist syllable is the same, and pronounced the same. Cymru means "compatriot", and, yes the "com", is essentially the same as the "cym".
I see what you’re trying to say. But the word you’re looking for that relates to compatriot is “Cymro” which translated from Welsh to English roughly means “Welsh man”. Most of the time it isn’t used that often. Also, Cumbria is called that because it has Welsh heritage and came from the same Brythonic culture that later formed into the Old Welsh language. There are many ways to refer to Welsh people. For instance, Cymry (with a y instead of a u at the end) translates to “the people of Wales” and usually refers to the people located within the land of Wales regardless of Nationality, but are a citizen of Wales. Then you have the most obvious one which is Cymraeg (Welsh National) There is also Cymraes which is “woman of Wales”. P.S The words Cymry and Cymru are descendants of Brythonic and closely translates to “fellow countrymen”
It wasn't 40 years ago the last time Wrexham played in Europe, it was more like 20 when they play Petrolul Ploesti in the Cup Winners Cup. I know, I was at the match.
@@Vizeh its a double edged sword, as much as they utterly dominate (though not as much this year, good on ya penybont) we utterly NEED them for the coefficient as we sit just on the bubble of going down to 3 europe spots (which we did do 2 years ago but regained them since)
Lad, TNS aren’t even good enough to compete in the National League North imo. They’re only 1 of 2 teams that are professional in the Cymru Premier (the other being Connah Quay Nomads), and all the rest are semi-pro. They’re facing semi-pro competition week in and week out, so if you put them into League 2 or even the National League where all or most teams are professional respectively, they would be eaten alive and barely get 10 points in League 2 and barely get 25 points in the National League.
There are six clubs that are in Wales that currently play in the English leagues, the four mentioned in video plus Merthyr Town and Chester (whose pitch and stands are in Wales). I suspect all of them would be very happy if this idea comes through. The only sticking point would be UEFA, they would probably be happier seeing better quality, bigger clubs in the Europa League but less happy with idea of clubs switching between nations just for easier qualification into Europe.
Always heard stories from my dad and others of Wrexham beating Futres Porto playing against Roma, Anderlecht and Magdeburg in the cup winners cup. But it was always hard to imagine when we spent a lifetime in non league. Would love to rejoin the Welsh cup but I have mixed feelings about it.
Local Area Leagues (West Wales Prem, Central Wales FL, South Wales Prem, etc. -> Ardal Leagues -> Cymru North (Airbus, Bangor, etc) & Cymru South (Carmarthen Town, Afan Lido, Blue Birds), -> Cymru Premier (TNS, Aber Town second off bottom of the table and just sacked their manager, Cardiff Met who lost to Cardiff City in the MG Cup only 3-2) Talk about attendences but bear in mind that there's only 3 million people in all of Wales and half of em live in the Valleys and along the South Coast and inland South areas, or in the far North
honestly I think this would be a good change and hear me out might give some amazing surprises in the cup, might even improve the quality of football in welsh football.
As a Welshman i'm super happy that you are making a video about the state of Welsh Football.
Thank you man!
i myself
what do you think the issue is? do the welsh just not care about football as much as other Euro countries? Are they more bothered about rugby?
@@Writeous0ne Na bro we care about football loads down here, but most people support english teams as the welsh league has always been basically grass roots. It's all due to how the FA for wales and england we're set up in the past. Obviously the decision to seperate the leagues heavily hindered the welsh and the money in the welsh pyramid has never been there.
It should be noted that the Cymru Premier is mostly a semi-professional league, with most of the teams not even being professional teams. In fact the New Saints is pretty much the only professional team aside from, what I can gather, 3 other teams
Basically, the Welsh league is a semi-professional league with The New Saints farming every year for European football
And they get smashed everytime in round 1 of Europe. Joke.
Did they not used to be called 'Total Network Solutions' back in the day?
Was literally a corporate football team.
@@vince7207 Yeah they did, back then they were still actually in Wales too. Merged with Oswentry Town in 2003 and relocated to the English border
Plus not even half of their regular starting 11 is from Wales, they're just farming and not even growing Welsh players. It's crazy
@Steaks652 no they destroy everyone until the 3rd qualifying round this season they made conference league
@@Steaks652 not rly, just beat a team
I mean in the MLS, the Canadian teams play in their domestic cup in Canada, which allows them to qualify for the ccl (Concacaf Champions League). So it's quite similar to that.
Welsh teams used to do this in England but decided there was more money in the English cups than Euro first round KO
@@iainmaley3319 the idea that wrexham, swansea and cardiff would have a monopoly on all english clubs just because they have an easy route to the qualifying rounds is insane imo even newport could win the cup from league two for example whilst a premier league team would have to be quite literally one the best club football teams in the world to get UECL football
My local team (Haverfordwest County) got into the Conference League qualifying rounds a couple of years ago. It was mental. We beat Shkëndija of North Macedonia on penalties but lost to B36 Tórshavn in the next round. The only downside of the whole thing is that we had to play our home matches at the Cardiff City Stadium - which is about 100 miles away.
That’s so cool man!
What a night that was ❤️
Also local in Haverfordwest. Small world lol. Yea I remember and was rooting for them to get into Conference League. Shame to play potentially 100 miles away as it cuts out a lot of their fans.
Up the county.
That was a hell of night and I think if the chance to fight in Europe is something else for teams in the Welsh league. We aren't England but we have a passion and the fact that UA-camrs are talking about us we must be doing something right
Llangollen are miles down the leagues in fairness
“They'll be dancing in the streets of Total Network Solutions tonight!”
Shocking
They did used to he called this, right? Sure I remember seeing it as a kid.
@@vince7207 ,correct
@@vince7207 Yeah, they did
Ahh.. Jeff... Soccer Saturday back then was awesome
A VIZEH WELSH VIDEO 😍😍😍
DRAGON INTENSIFIES
@@Vizeh good video about the current situation, thank you ❤
Just to let you know the welsh lingo is the lingo that translates the famous hieroglyphics in the pyramids = its the language of the heavens. .. pass it on!
Needed to have my say. Yeah, TNS play in Oswestry just across the border, however, they were originally Llansanffraid FC and they were a very successful Welsh side.
In 2003, they were doing well and were approached by a financially struggling Oswestry Town FC about a potential merge of the two teams. Oswestry is only 10 minutes down the road and they also played in the league of Wales so when the two clubs combined, it made no sense to move to the English leagues especially since most of the power was coming from Llan.
The club's heritage is Welsh and there was a lot of fuss about them moving to the new stadium in Oswestry. Even today, despite their success, a lot of Welsh football fans dislike TNS and refuse to support them.
I should know, I'm a local. I support Guilsfield, the team which you flashed up at 9:12 and I was one of the 140 who turned up.
I went to school with Craig Harrison, the TNS manager..
The problem with saying that argument about Welsh being born in England, is that the norm around a lot of European countries. A lot of Dutch players are born in Surinamese, a lot of French players are born in Africa, Germany have a lot of Turkish players, Spain have a lot of South American players.
Playing for Wales, every player and staff is expected to sing the national anthem (Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau), they are taught it if they've never played youth age group level for Wales. The coaching staff instill Welshness into the players including history and social lessons about the country of Wales, this goes through teh youth ranks all teh way until the Seniors. Another fact about them is that at the moment, every captain (both male and female) in Wales's two favourite sports, all speak Welsh as their first language.
To say that a Welsh player is not Welsh because of where they were born is completely disingenious to what it means to be Welsh and to play for Wales.
They try this with the rugby too. Categorising first language Welsh speakers as English because that was the closest hospital
There used to be a tournament called the FAW Premier Cup that had Swansea, Cardiff etc in alongside the Welsh league clubs up to 2008… was always really well attended and great to have those teams travelling to us! I’d fully welcome that move in the League Cup to grow interest in the domestic game
It'll probably end up like Vaduz in Switzerland if it goes through. They still play in the Swiss leagues and stuff, but are also allowed in the Lichtenstein Cup, so get a bit of european football that way.
I guess having 4 of them will make it very interesting too
@@Vizeh true it means that there actually is a chance for a toss up rather than just one team steamrolling their way through everyone else.
They're not entirely analogous as the reason that Liechtensteiner clubs play in the Swiss league is because there is no Liechtenstein league at all; they don't have a choice.
If the four Welsh teams in question were to participate in one country's league system but the other's knockout competitions, they'd be leaving themselves open to the criticism of essentially taking advantage of a geographical quirk, picking and choosing which country they choose to belong to depending on which suits them better.
Swansea City have represented England in the Europa League as EFL Cup holders since UEFA ruled that Vaduz can't represent Switzerland in Europe even if they somehow win the Swiss league, so no, Liechtenstein can't be cited as a precedent for Wales to follow.
Vaduz can't go to Europe via the Swiss league maybe because they are still registered under the LFV instead of the Swiss FA, or is it a Swiss FA sanctioning?
Since you mentioned them early, I think the downfall of Valencia would also make for interesting stuff for your analysis. They barely escaped relegation last season, this season they're last in La Liga after losing to Las Palmas, which beat them to get their first league win since February and were dead last before beating and overtaking Valencia.
Today I searched about UCL final when the two sides from the same league and I came a cross Real madrid vs Valencia in 2000
Analysis 😂😂😂 guys clueless
or sampdoria
The fact that Wrexham and Newport have never been in the first division but have still played European football is hilarious to me
I imagine that would be due to the Welsh Cup back in this era haha
is a city fan seriously taking the piss out of the history of other clubs
@osiang2919 would you like me to give you a list about city’s history?
@@JimHeaton-b5y one word will suffice. oil
@@JimHeaton-b5yYes you won the league when the dinosaurs still existed
0:00 The New Saints, Bala Town, Flint Town United, Haverfordwest County, The Nomads (Connahs Quay), Aber, Cardiff Met and Pen-y-bont are all the teams I can remember. The Cymru Premier is the leagues name (I didn't look it up, i'm a Cymru Premier Fan)
Penybont is down the road from me. Top of the league too
Which team
@@cpmoseley2105 The Blue Birds are right behind ! 🐦
@@cpmoseley2105do you go to games?
I’m very happy that you clarified that you are a welsh premier league fan otherwise I would’ve said you were lying😂
"name the teams from the Welsh league"
me, with a photographic memory who has looked up almost every league around the globe: no challenge
Impossible
You only have to go back to the early 90's for Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham to be playing in the Welsh FA cup so the idea has a strong historical president. Also in 1992 the final was Cardiff City vs Hednesford Town (Hednesford is on the north side of Birmingham). The last Welsh cup final to have more than 10,000 tickets sold was Wrexham vs Cardiff in 95.
It was UEFA that forced the change in the 90's not the clubs or the Welsh FA. So, I'm all for having some better teams playing in the Welsh FA cup, if they have their grounds in Wales, as that's how it used to be.
The New Saints stadium is located in Oswestry; also known Croesoswallt. Which is both a histrionicly welsh area , and indeed has it own welsh speakers. It even is debated to this day whether Oswestry is either english or should be considered apart of wales as it falls on the border between the two; however years ago the territory of Oswestry would have been predominantly welsh due to its close borders and culture which is imbraced there. Thats not to say that it isnt in England by location but just to say that is has its links to wales in some form. 🏴
"Histrionically Welsh" 😂
I live in Oswestry and I have more mates who have Welsh heritage then English so you’re certainly right
@@FoggyD In fairness, the whole of Britain can be considered historically Welsh.
@@FoggyDnot sure what part of that is funny?
.... There's even a Welsh language book shop in Oswestry.
As a Cardiff fan, I’m happy in the English system. The old welsh cup route into Europe used to be fun, and a few English teams were invited and even won the cup. I think if Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport, and Merthyr entered again, then a few English teams should be invited as well to make it fair. The only other way to make to make it fair, is to not let the welsh clubs qualify for Europe through the English system. We can’t have our cake and eat it.
Bale. golf. welsh football. in that order
Knew this was coming😂
Bale unfortunately chose to play in USA prior to world cup where he was anonymous, instead of giving a massive injection to his local club.
@@Steaks652
You think a Welsh Premier league club has the facilities to keep him for for the international tournament (which was the sole reason he prolonged his career an extra 6 months)?
Although it could have been a fairytale end to his career, it could have ruined his chances at one last major international tournament.
Also, the reality is that it probably wouldn’t have the long lasting positive effect on the Welsh club as you’d imagine. Sure, there would be a short term boost in attendances (and even that wouldn’t be as much as you think due to how few people most Welsh teams can fit in the crowd), but as has been proven with big names is smaller leagues, that initial interest often goes when the player does.
Also, let’s be honest. If he were to join any club, it would likely to have been a Cardiff or Swansea, and in that situation, his career would have ended pretty much the same way as it did in the US, the only difference is it would have been a Welsh team spending those wages on a player rarely able to play instead of an American one
@@JDTStagg88 , not at all , Cardiff city was where he was going before move hi jacked, more money, he must have been short of a few bob, love him.
rugby is ahead of football
The main problem with Welsh clubs being quite small is because the majority of people in wales support the Big 6, if they actually supported local teams like Cardiff, Swansea, Newport etc they’d be bigger
no the majority of people in wales watch rugby
@@laoch5658 that’s just not true at all, in south wales, at least, everyone I know watches football, no one watches “club” rugby
@@laoch5658yeah that's why the Welsh regions in rugby barely get 6 or 7k through the gates 😂
National rugby yes club rugby not even close
I was just looking into welsh football yesterday when I saw an ad for new saints in the conference league and I wondered "Where are they from I've never heard of them before" this video is perfectly timed lmao
More than 4 teams historically used to play in the English pyramid. When the Cymru Premier was formed in 1992, 5 Welsh sides switched from non-league, and more recently Colwyn Bay joined in 2019. A lot of Welsh clubs were also part of the Southern League (which for a while in the 1920s had a ‘Welsh Division’), with Merthyr Town still playing there.
0:10 easy because I’m welsh
I'm Welsh and I can't name any
I could name 2 Tns and Aberystwyth
Only reason I remember Aberystwyth is an fm save I did last year 😂
I got 17 although Bangor city don't really count (they're inactive)
I know of the new saints that's it bc conference League
New Port?
local team Aberystwyth so this might just be specific to us, but the main issue with the Welsh leagues is the lack of investment in the youth, teams cant afford to take the risk of a lot of young players because of the likes of TNS, so they just import boys in from cheshire/ Liverpool area, so the fans don't feel any connection or affinity to these players, leading to people not going and then leads to no money coming in. So its forever a deadly cycle. So the idea of the money having to be re-invested is great! we need new facilities and better facilities to be able to promote from within and not just import. National identity is key like you said. Great to see a video being made on this and highlighting the issues we have.
This is like how Canada does continental qualifications having our top three clubs playing in the USA-based MLS. The Canadian Championship (Voyageur Cup) involves the 3 MLS clubs, the 8 clubs from the Canadian Premier League, and winners of the third-tier regional semi-pro leagues. So far, MLS clubs have won every competition, but the CPL clubs have held their own, and the competition has raised their level. This is a good thing for all involved.
If this happens, the interesting thing will be if one of the 4 teams get into the Premier League (maybe a long shot for Newport tbf but still). UEFA will only let them qualify via the Welsh League Cup or via The PL, English FA Cup or Carabao Cup. So if a side gets into the PL and feels it can qualify for Europe through the English system (as they have a PL quality team), do they pull out of the Welsh League Cup? As taking national pride out of it, it is better to qualify for Europe as an "English" team as you at most will have to play one qualifier (in the Conf League, the CL and EL you just go into the league phase) and you will get more TV money as England are substantially higher than Wales in the coefficient rankings (which is partly used for that). So I think the Welsh FA need to get a legally binding assurance from the 4 teams that they have to commit to this new way for at least 10 years or something, they can't just pull out and go back into it whenever they want really.
I think there’s a team from litchenstine that plays in the Swiss system that is only able to qualify through the litchenstine cup
They shouldn’t be allowed to pull out of the Welsh Cup. They should be only allowed to qualify through the Welsh Cup (to the UECL) or the PL (based on position).
People saying Welsh-English clubs should be kicked from the pyramid though are selfish tbh.
As a swansea fan I would rather pull out of FA cup and league cup and only play welsh cup
Ive been wanting all Welsh Teams to play in the Welsh League for a while now, them playing in the Welsh Cup is a step in the right direction.
@@Sir_Musy exactly! do you have a team in the Cymru premier?
Interesting that they compete in the fa cup , efl cup and welsh cup then, for example in Canada the mls teams from there compete in the Canadian championship but not in the us open cup, in fairness , us open cup is a mess as over half the league has pulled out, but I’m just wondering if it’s fair to other clubs particularly if like a conference league spot is on the line or something
Has a newport county fan I’d die before seeing my club in the welsh leagues
@ifan_1234 Yeah I'm a Haverfordwest County Fan
@@lind20 I think I'd die if I lived in Newport tbf
As a welshman i would love it if my team cardiff city enter the welsh cup and potentially go onto a major european tournament. this can only be a positive step to give teams like cardiff swansea wrexham and newport the spotlight in a major european cup competition stage.
If they want European football, they should play in the Welsh league. It's bullshit for them to get all of the benefits of Welsh football while freeloading off of the English pyramid.
As a Welsh man, in day to day life, you rarely ever even talk about Welsh football 😂
Given how much work goes into making / editing videos , videos that get titled “ no one cares “ ect make me laugh. You clearly care enough to give it the time of day!
The Welsh clubs in the English System should be allowed to play in the Welsh Cup, but they cannot qualify into Europe through the FA or EFL Cup, given they’ll have a easier route to the Conference League. Qualification gotta be for UECL too. Also they have to still play in the English cups.
If they take part in the Welsh cup, they shouldn't be even part of at least 1 of the 2 (FA or EFL). But I like the idea & it's the same with the canadian MLS franchises which play the canadian cup.
They should be exempt from caraboa cup the FA Cup has prestige and let's all teams in
I think if English clubs in Europe, and Welsh teams left the English League Cup - it's a win-win for everyone.
Clubs outside of the Big 6 have a chance to win a trophy and play in Europe, Big 6 club get lower fixture congestion, Welsh clubs get regular football against Welsh EFL clubs, and Welsh EFL clubs have a real chance of winning the Welsh League Cup, and playing in Europe again.
1:04
This cup has absolutely no freaking buisiness to slap sooooo hard
greatest thing in the entirety of football
In discussing Wales and Welsh football it has to be borne in mind that England's population is approximately 19 times the population of Wales.
Ipswich were (many years ago) regulars in Europe, my dad, grandad and uncle saw us win the UEFA Cup in ‘81. I really hope I can see us there in my lifetime! European football is so so special, often taken for granted tbf! Also bigup Vizeh, video drops and my day gets groovier 😎
southampton supporters are still acting as if they regularly win the Euro Cup but then again , they are a. “ big club “. Ipswich finished 2nd in Div 1 if i remember correctly- which immediately makes them more successful & perhaps’ Bigger ‘ than mighty Real Southampton 🙄👍
…which - if southampton are a “ big team “ must make Ipswich Town absolutely Planet Big . ❤️👍
That was such a Joey way to win at the end haha 😂 Love it.
I’m a county fan, I’d prefer it if we played in the Cymru premier, Caernarfon would be a far nicer away day than Bradford
Same as a fellow county fan here
Seeing as Newport literally played in exile and went to court to prevent that I don't see them having that sort of U-turn.
@@RW-nr6bh that was 35 years ago, times change
@@ByddinRhyddidCymru Yes, times change. Newport were in the Southern League at the time, and now they're in the EFL, unlike Caernarfon and Colwyn Bay who went to court with them and won, but ultimately gave up English football, Newport actually got to the League. So yes, times have changed, but they've changed to make it less likely Newport would go over.
As a Welsh person (groan), I believe that the E.P.L. 'Welsh' clubs either go all in to Welsh footy proper, or stays in the English League.
It would be unfair to *every* football club in England, and Wales if they got an easy way into Europe.
The reason that so many English lads play here is because they're better players, period!
This league needs the Welsh F.A. to encourage successful people to start clubs in the cities and big towns that are independent of the E.F.L. clubs.
Newport City are one such club.
As for T.N.S. featuring no Welsh players, you're absolutley wrong on that.
To be fair, there are examples of players from different nations choosing to represent other countries at every level and with every country, just depends which one you identify with most. Raheem Sterling was born and spent his formative years in Jamaica, but no one would doubt that he's English.
Also, you have to consider that England's population is 19 times that of Wales and likely because of that, Wales doesn't have the infrastructure to support away travel to matches on the different side of a much more difficult to traverse country. See for example how someone would get a train from Carmarthen to Aberystwyth (it takes 6 hours to complete a 50 mile journey). As someone who supports the side with the best following in the Welsh Pyramid (Caernarfon), we usually get between 500-1000 at home games, bearing in mind that the population of the town is 10,000. These clubs are much smaller and represent much smaller communities than those in the English pyramid, but recent results in Europe have suggested that the disrespect toward the league is a bit harsh. Caernarfon beat Northern Irish side Crusaders over two legs at the start of this season, and they drew Wolves at their ground a couple of years back.
I simply don’t think they could cope with playing that many matches.
As a Merthyr Town fan I want us to stay in English system fa cup is much more appealing for me
I'm from Tschörmany and my suggestion for recruiting teams into a British Premier League is a "intermediate Scotish-Welsh-Northern Irish League" with 24 teams (Scotland 12, NI 8, Wales 4 teams). The champions (well... Celtic) would promote to Premier League as well as the Championchip champions. Both intermediate and Championschip teams finishing 2-5 would compete in single-matched Play-Offs to determine the third promoted team. This modus would be held for to years and SCO-NI-WAL integrated stepwise afterwards.
7:02 what did bro say??? 😅😅
How did he manage that then, bros getting cancelled 🤣
The video was going alright until then…
Lmaoooo
I've always said that the Welsh teams should be playing in there country's league. Even if they do dominate it each year between them, it would still be better than just one team winning everything and no different than Scotland.
This is quite frequent, aside from Welsh teams playing in English divisions, we have Canadian, Puerto Rico, Bermuda in MLS and USL, Monaco in France, Andorra in Spain, Vaduz in Switzerland,
The welsh league is so poor because of the fact some teams compete in English football. Like my local team pen y bont, majority of people here support cardiff, but still watch bont when they have time. So most of the time it’s a case where it’s a lot of teams second teams. Especially down south where 3 of the 4 teams play.
Sorba Thomas' mother's side is entirely Welsh, and spend every summer growing up in Wales. Granted I can concede he may have preferred to play for England if he had the quality, it's slightly remiss to assume that if someone's not born in Wales they simply play for the country out of convenience. Brennan Johnson is born in England, but literally has the Welsh map tattooed on his arm.
What a lot of English people don't realise is that the many people born in England to Welsh families is a cause of post-industrial emigration, tens of thousands of Welsh people left the country in search of jobs as successive London governments basically forced them to (my grandparents left Wales to South Africa for mining work). We still have a huge emotional connection to Wales, its culture, music, stories... I think this is something that a lot of English people just can't understand.
by the look of that line up of players’ strips at the start , i can only recognise Yeovil Town - which explains why they’ve been invisible for the past 2 seasons ❤️🍒
I'm glad you're making this video, as someone who attended his first Cymru Premier game this season (I'd lived in England till a few years ago) this could be a big help if used correctly. Make sure you play games on a Friday night, Saturday and Sunday and make the big 4 play the fixtures as away teams you'll get the turn out from the Fans of these clubs. Do I think Swansea fans will turn up for a home game against Briton Ferry Llansanwel no but if you play it at Briton Ferry's place the ground will be full at the atmosphere amazing.
Think it's worth noting that virtually all the teams in the Cymru Premier are located in towns with populations of about 15-20,000. Imagine the Scottish Prem if teams in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee were playing in England and the rest of the towns in a Scottish league.
I didn't really like the Welsh Football, but I would say The New Saints are quite familiar with the English Football. In the past, TNS were the first opponents of Manchester City when the latter played their first home games in European Football at the current Etihad Stadium, while also faced Liverpool in the Champions League first qualification round after the latter qualified as a defending champions (despite being 5th in the Premier League).
‘Welsh, innit?’
-Vizeh
I’m a season ticket holder with Cardiff City I also regularly go an watch Cardiff Met Uni in the JD premier League as there ground is only a short walk from my house
Honestly i think its a great plan long term for welsh football if it gets it up off of the ground
As a Scotsman, I'm only able to name a few welsh clubs because they play in the whacky and wonderful SPFL Trust trophy
Let's not forget Merthyr Town who are a Welsh team down in the 7th tier of England, although I have no clue why they play in the English League
I can imagine Merthyr's attendances would drop if they left the English pyramid to join the Welsh one. Just look at Barry vs Penybont the other day, big game, a local rivalry (just 15 miles apart), in a quarter final of the league cup and only 300 in attendance. Merthyr got over 900 at their last league game.
@@Mrd92.I don't think that's true at all. Colwyn bay were playing in England before 2019 and they rarely got any fans, now they're one of the most followed teams in the Welsh leagues. if Merthyr joined the Welsh league it would boost attendances, they would be playing against local teams instead of quimford on the wibble from england
@@ifan_1234that local derby against Cardiff Met University would be massive fairplay
Merthyr would easily outnumber the Welsh Premier League teams in attendance. It was the 2015 UEFA grassroots team of the year, has probably the best stadium outside the League.. and they had their own European triumph beating Atalanta. Source: Merthyr man
Merthyr play in the English pyramid because they want to. They get good gates and it’s probably a better standard.
I support a village team in England. We have one village shop, a garage and a garden centre, that's it - we get bigger crowds than TNS !
I LOVE your channel, so not a spicy comment but players born in England to Welsh parents are still Welsh. Just because they are born in an English hospital, doesn't change the fact that they are brought up watching and supporting Wales and Welsh clubs and constantly told that they are Welsh by their Welsh parent(s). I have several "London Welsh" friends who are crazier than me about the national team. It's not just to play international football because they aren't good enough to play for England, as you suggested. Thanks for making a video about us! 🎉🙌🐉
Theres actually five welsh teams in the English pyramid. Merthyr Town play in the premier south league (2 below national league), the highest league they've got to is the national league but have managed to squeeze in a couple of FA cup appearances.
First ten seconds: name me a Welsh premier league team
Me, a staff member at Cardiff Met: erm, ok 😂
To improve the quality of Welsh football it would be a massive boost, in the short term the gap would be massive but if Welsh teams can compete, it will attract more money, in turn help clubs buy better players and make the league more competitive. I think allowing the EFL clubs in the tournament would be a boost but I would say they would have to leave the EFL cup in that case
It might be controversial but I think incorporating the Welsh football pyramid into the English one just makes sense, as there's such a juxtaposition in the calibre of teams, even in the top level in Wales, and this would allow them to play against other teams more in their level
The cup you shown Viz was the The Tier 2 Cup, the cup they want to enter is the Nathaniel Mg Cup (our equivalent to the carabao cup)
Cwmbran Town, Llanelli AFC, Rhyl FC, Connah's Quay, Bangor City, Barry Town, penybont, Haverfordwest, caernarfon, Bala Town, aberystwyth.... There's more but my brain hurts so....
llanelli is my team!!
Up the cwmbran town 🔛🔝
Cwmbran have long since dropped out. They did win the first ever League of Wales title though.
@@RW-nr6bh so weird, that's like the most iconic name to me for some reason
@@hectorae86It's probably because they made history with that first title and were quite famous for it. My girlfriend lives near Cwmbran but I've never been to see them play, she's a Newport fan so I go there usually with her.
i like it, I'm sure the 4 English League Welsh Clubs would sacrifice playing in the English FA Cup to play in the Welsh FA Cup instead, the proposal would be similar to the current Liechtenstein system which is good and helps FC Vaduz, The only 2 downsides to this would be they wouldn't ever get to play in the Champions League even if they made top 4 of the EPL, which hasn't happened to a Welsh Club before anyway so not over worrying, they would have to win Conference league and Europa League back to back if they were to ever make it. Other downside would be to the current 3rd/4th Cymru Team who is taking that spot would now miss out on the Conference League spot. But if the whole Cymru League get more money overall then i'm sure they won't mind trying to fight for a higher place. The Cymru League winner still gets the Champions League 1st round qualifying spot so they aren't missing out on that.
Did you know that there is also a fifth welsh team playing in England- Merthyr town in the southern premier league (level 7 of the English pyramid )
When you said thing of a Welsh team that play domestically, I thought of TNS not sure if there a team anymore but used to be quite high in the welsh league.
Quite frankly the FAW are shit. Clubs such as my local ( CPD Pwllheli) have fundraised and used government grants to get money to build a new clubhouse, we only had one visit by the FAW, one guy that said that building the clubhouse would be impossible. Here we are a year later and the FAW are knocking on our door to find out how the hell did we build the clubhouse without their help. The FAW is rotten to the core, can't do anything right, me and my father were invited to an award ceremony for clubs in the North of Wales and it was hosted in a fucking McDonalds, referees are genuinely crap in the lower leagues and even in the U17s league i play in. Something has to happen in the lower leagues first to get more traction to the first tier.
Exactly. I feel like Wales could have a good football infrastructure but it is let down by the FAW.
Sorba’s mum is from Newport. She left Newport months before Sorba was born. He’s half Welsh at least.
You cant take it seriously when a old Office/warehouses pub team is the best in the league.
Before this season I didn't know, there is a Welsh League. I saw the New Saints at the Conference League table... 🤷♂
I can see it working for welsh teams to compete in both leagues by using it to develop with the capacity of younger players, but they may have to be larger in size to prioritise playing teams of greater quality in the upcoming age group leagues which presumably mix with the top teams in both the EPL and championship, depending on how good these welsh teams are... Sounds complicated but interesting!
Biggest problem is all the plastic fans from wales who go and watch man utd liverpool etc if they watched welsh clubs things could be different
Adding the 4 clubs will only boost attendances and revenue for smaller clubs, im a swansea fan and I would imagine lot of swans fans would travel in numbers as most teams we play are 150 + miles away
Unfortunately this will kill the 4 clubs mentioned, especially Cardiff and Swansea.
I never knew this league even existed until I saw this video appear in my recommended.
CYMRU AM BYTH!!!!!!!!!
Yn Hollol✊️🏴🏴✊️
I moved to Wales five years ago, and follow my local cwmaman utd the standard is very good.
Imagie @ 4:55 - This is Bognor Regis which is in Hampshire, very much not in wales! Not sure if this was a mistake in your edit or I just missed the context lol
So glad you covered this ! Great stuff 👏
"Cymru" is, essentially, the same name as the English county, "Cumbria". The fist syllable is the same, and pronounced the same. Cymru means "compatriot", and, yes the "com", is essentially the same as the "cym".
I see what you’re trying to say. But the word you’re looking for that relates to compatriot is “Cymro” which translated from Welsh to English roughly means “Welsh man”. Most of the time it isn’t used that often. Also, Cumbria is called that because it has Welsh heritage and came from the same Brythonic culture that later formed into the Old Welsh language.
There are many ways to refer to Welsh people. For instance, Cymry (with a y instead of a u at the end) translates to “the people of Wales” and usually refers to the people located within the land of Wales regardless of Nationality, but are a citizen of Wales. Then you have the most obvious one which is Cymraeg (Welsh National)
There is also Cymraes which is “woman of Wales”.
P.S
The words Cymry and Cymru are descendants of Brythonic and closely translates to “fellow countrymen”
If i remember correctly, the new saints( TNS) used to be a private companies team that got good..( total network solutions) i think they were called
Penybont, Cardiff met, Haverfordwest county, Britton ferry, the new saints
FM no badge no playing experience chads know the Cymru teams
Incredibly easy. But I'm Welsh and a Cymru Premier and Cymru North fanatic. The mighty Colwyn Bay headed back up!
It wasn't 40 years ago the last time Wrexham played in Europe, it was more like 20 when they play Petrolul Ploesti in the Cup Winners Cup. I know, I was at the match.
In this years FM. I got my start in the Welsh second tier so I can name tons of teams and players lol
TNS should be playing in the EFL.
Their domiance looks honest really boring I can't lie haha
no they shouldn't
@@Vizeh its a double edged sword, as much as they utterly dominate (though not as much this year, good on ya penybont)
we utterly NEED them for the coefficient as we sit just on the bubble of going down to 3 europe spots (which we did do 2 years ago but regained them since)
Stole their spot from the Barry
Lad, TNS aren’t even good enough to compete in the National League North imo. They’re only 1 of 2 teams that are professional in the Cymru Premier (the other being Connah Quay Nomads), and all the rest are semi-pro. They’re facing semi-pro competition week in and week out, so if you put them into League 2 or even the National League where all or most teams are professional respectively, they would be eaten alive and barely get 10 points in League 2 and barely get 25 points in the National League.
TNS, Bala Town, Aberystwyth Town...?
That's what I could name in 10 seconds
I'm at war with my self too this is RELATABLE
My local team Shirebrook town, in step 8 were in a playoff final last season and the attendance was 1200
There are six clubs that are in Wales that currently play in the English leagues, the four mentioned in video plus Merthyr Town and Chester (whose pitch and stands are in Wales). I suspect all of them would be very happy if this idea comes through.
The only sticking point would be UEFA, they would probably be happier seeing better quality, bigger clubs in the Europa League but less happy with idea of clubs switching between nations just for easier qualification into Europe.
Always heard stories from my dad and others of Wrexham beating Futres Porto playing against Roma, Anderlecht and Magdeburg in the cup winners cup. But it was always hard to imagine when we spent a lifetime in non league. Would love to rejoin the Welsh cup but I have mixed feelings about it.
Local Area Leagues (West Wales Prem, Central Wales FL, South Wales Prem, etc. -> Ardal Leagues -> Cymru North (Airbus, Bangor, etc) & Cymru South (Carmarthen Town, Afan Lido, Blue Birds), -> Cymru Premier (TNS, Aber Town second off bottom of the table and just sacked their manager, Cardiff Met who lost to Cardiff City in the MG Cup only 3-2)
Talk about attendences but bear in mind that there's only 3 million people in all of Wales and half of em live in the Valleys and along the South Coast and inland South areas, or in the far North
honestly I think this would be a good change and hear me out might give some amazing surprises in the cup, might even improve the quality of football in welsh football.
When I was a kid they use to compete in the Welsh cup and get into Europe
wow, so you do acknowledge the welsh.
The New Saints There In The Conference League This Season pretty big achievement
They are playing tonight too! I’ll keep an eye on it!
@@Vizeh
Held Fiorentina For A while in the First Game Away from Home
@@Vizeh They won!!!
Thanks for have a flag from my country behind! Hi from Argentina!
One thing to say about the Cynru Premier, it has tge best looking trophy in world football. Its incredible
Funnily enough my local was in the news ALOT earlier in the year ... maybe not for the best reasons , PontyPridd FC
Thought I’d add that TNS just won 2-0 in the conference league last night, their greatest result of all time