Classic mistake. Preventing 3 damage is a very powerful effect. However, Circle of Protection: Red is the only way in the game to completely shutdown the most powerful combo in the game: Channel/Fireball. That makes it the true #1 of this list.
I was kinda hoping #1 was the basic lands. The rule is you include ant card with its original print in that set, so this was the only shot for basics. I get why you wouldn't do that though.
Minor thing, but it always irked me, that Demonic Tutor doesn't have a downside. Flavour-wise this seems like a pretty big miss to me since Demons and Devils are supposed to be tricksters who give you more than you bargained for.
@@gregoryfolsom7882The original comment has very little to do with the color pie. It cares about how a specific card is based on a deal with a demon that goes perfectly because it is as straightforward as it seems on first glance. Stories involving demons have not changed much over that time.
Hear me out, the downside is that after using demonic tutor a few times, NOT having one becomes upsetting. To the point that playing a color other than black becomes impossible. Even playing black and not drawing one can seem maddening. Not being able to use the card you want, when you want becomes infuriating...
9:23 Funny story about Volcanic Island - it wasn’t “forgotten” or missed. The artist who was commissioned to do the art for that card put a BIRD in front of said Volcanic Island… if you go back several minutes, you may recognize that bird. But because the bird was featured so much more prominently, they changed the card to a bird creature card. At this point, it was too late to get the newly commissioned artwork for Volcanic Island to be ready for Alpha’s printing.
Funny, but not true though. Birds of Paradise was originally intended for Tropical Island. However, because the Bird was so prominent, they made a completely new card to fit this (which became BoP), and they also made a new artwork for Tropical Island to replace the Bird drawing. The story you tell is a long-lived myth.
@@crawdaddy2004 which doesn’t change anything. Even more funny that you seem to think your wrong version of the story is still correct, even when the truth is presented to you.
@@crawdaddy2004 and I quoted Jesper Myrfors, the art director at the time and also the artist for Tropical Island. (while MaRo wasn't even a wotc employee)
I’m proud of BoP. Managing to be such an enduring and powerful creature in of itself is a feat but to do it coming from a format and era that thought less of creatures than the mud on their shoes is extra impressive. Go BoP go!
The art is really good on most of these cards. Given how uneven the art quality was in early sets, it's kind of remarkable that almost all of the ultra powerful ones got sweet art.
This was an awesome list. It was actually kind of surprising. I still think it would be cool to do a top 10 vintage cards minus power 8 (Timetwister should be allowed in the list, imo)
@@simanolastname2399 True. but there are probably some other cards that would drop some of these out. Like think of all the times a fetch land has gotten a top 8. Basically at every tournament for every format theyre legal in.
@@BuddyIsGarbage I can't imagine any card cycle or individual card that could possibly have a higher score with Nizzahon's metrics than the fetches. I think it's more like the shocks and force of will that'd be edging into the lower end of the list.
I'm curious as to how many points the basic lands have. Presumably Island, by virtue of its sheer multi-format success, has the highest score of any card in the game.
I just now realized OG counterspell’s art is energy from a spell going limp. I always thought the guy just grew tendrils on his fingers for whatever reason and just didn’t even question that.
number 8 seems the most likely to fall from it's current place, or it would have without being added to Modern. I don't generally see it in Legacy any more.
Okay birds is also going to drop, it is only played in Modern anymore, and even then it competes with several other cards, namely the Higharchs, and sees way less play than it used to. Dark Ritual sees way more play due to Legacy. this list will in time, a long time mind you, shift.
That would be pretty boring, especially in modern sets. 10-6: Below-rate vanilla or French vanilla creatures 5-3: Do-nothing enchantments 2; Mythic rare with cool design that is useless everywhere and/or costs 9 mana 1: The most egregious Do-nothing artifact/enchantment
I'm glad that each color got at least one iconic card on this list. And black's two cards are the ones which don't fit into their side of the color pie. Dark Ritual is a type of effect that has moved into red and Demonic Tutor doesn't have a drawback like paying life.
Ah the old days. I didn't buy into the game until Rath Block (played friends decks before that), but I have so many fond memories with Dark Rit. Most of my favorites involve turn one on the play: Swamp into Rit into Hymn into Duress.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 Normally I'd agree, but with some decks I liked the option of a different play depending on reaction, such as a Sleeper Agent, Pit Imp, or Vampiric Tutor.
Here's an idea for a new video series. Card history, where you track a card throughout its competitive history across years, formats and deck archetypes. Your comments about Birds of Paradise made me realize that it has its own rich history, in decks like RecSur, Fires of Yavimaya, Birthing Pod (in Standard and Modern), Wolf Run Ramp and more. Lots of cards could fit this series, like the Moxen, Counterspell, Lightning Bolt or even more modern cards like Thoughtseize, Tarmogoyf (RIP), Stoneforge Mystic or Ponder/Preordain.
i had a hyppie, a mind twist and several mundungu's in a black/blue deck. no one ever liked my decks and i don't like them looking back at it. Everyone happened to have 1 sol ring and im not aware we ever knew about bannings or restrictions
And then there is the card more powerful than the power 9. A card not even legal in Vintage. Contract from Below will forever stand as the most outrageously powerful card ever printed.
Island deserves a spot. While it’s only a 1-off in recent Legacy Delver lists, it’s still very popular in Modern and Standard. And also in Legacy control decks. The only very powerful land that can’t be wastelanded.
Please please stop. This bit stopped being funny a long time ago. I would block you if I could, but UA-cam sucks and all blocking does is stop you from commenting on my videos, rather than stopping me from seeing your comments altogether.
@@JasonOshinko If you're seriously that upset at a UA-cam comment it takes you less than a second to scroll past, that's kinda on you mate. No need to be a dick about it just because you don't like it. Keep scrolling.
Idea for April fool's video. Top 10 power 9 cards. In alternative, I'll also settle for top 10 basic lands. That one is bound to be the most stacked list you've ever made.
@@Melissanoma Forest, Mountain, Island, Swamp, Plains, Wastes, Snow-Covered Forest, Snow-Covered Mountain, Snow-Covered Island, Snow-Covered Swamp, Snow-Covered Plains. I assume those are the 11?
@@brentatbluenovaproductions2136yeah man, I’m sure the fresh recruit Mark Rosewater, a game designer, had tons of influence on the reprint policy at the time.
This is very funny because I was actually considering asking you to do something similar to this. I still think my idea would make a good video so please consider it: Top 10 cards by my scoring system. I think that would be interesting because you could take the top 10 cards by your scoring system and analyze if they are truly better than other cards that didn't make the list. Obviously certain cards that are banned or restricted out of everything but vintage Macy less play than strictly less powerful cards that are available to play in more formats. I would be interested in seeing how much of the top 10 by your scores matches up with a reasonable expectation of the top 10. This might also make sense as one of your milestone videos because it can be so analytical of your own style and system.
For one, Contract from below, which is considered the most powerful card in the game, has a fat 0 point as it was banned from every format from the beginning.
9:14 I am surprised to see the Duals rank below Power. Of course, the Power cards are better than the Duals, but the fact that Duals are legal in legacy, and have points from extended (especially because they were grandfathered into extended past the rotation of revised), and Power is only legal as a 1 of in vintage, it would seem logical that duals would get more points total.
If Swords to Plowshares were allowed to count 10% of Path to Exile's points and Counterspell were allowed to count 5% of Force of Will's points they would each be at least 1 rank higher. It's hard to argue that FoW is really the same but it opens up "where is the line?" If you allow Path, and yet it seems right to account for Path in some way. Swords/Path is GOATed, it must be better than Tutors or Dorks to have a 1 mana spot removal. 🤔
Do you mean the reserved list? I mean, sure, the list might be different without a banned and restricted list, but it might be wildly dissent without a reserved list.
After 30 years of powercreep, I wonder if these cards are considered as busted now. Obviously the power 9 are all insane, so no argument there. But are dual lands really that good, now that we have cards that are arguably as good? Like the duals that come into play untapped if you have 2 lands or less are millimeters away from being identical to the originals. Birds of Paradise is no big deal at all anymore. You could make a case that Vampiric Tutor is every bit as good as Demonic and utterly busted if you are also running Isochron Scepter.
Power creep really only applies to creatures. Dual lands are still the best lands. The fact they have land types makes them far better than any other cycle. The shock lands are the only ones that come close. Demonic tutor is still the best tutor. Lightning Bolt is still the best burn spell. Dark ritual is still the best ritual. Swords to Plowshares is still the best white removal, maybe best removal period. Sol Ring is the best non power 9 mana rock. BoP and Noble Hierarch are comparable.
@@NizzahonMagic My first line is my thesis: "Are these cards so busted now?" not "Are these cards weak now?" I don't doubt they are the best lands but is the gulf between them and all the other dual lands really that great? In the early days when land destruction was still a big deal, you could make a case that them having basic types was a weakness since they could be wiped out by cards like Flashfires. "I was there, 3000 years ago, when these cards were printed." Also: I don't doubt the cards you named as not being the best at what they do (except maybe Demonic Tutor because an Instant speed Tutor has special value), but are they so over the top as to be 'busted' now that you can setup an infinite loop on turn 2 or 3 using modern cards and win the game on the spot?
Why is timetwidter considered one of the 9 most powerful cards ever? Apparently its not widely played, and its not even busted enough to be banned in commander
Timetwister should not be part of the power nine and I think it is the only one that could be reprinted and not completely break the meta. There have been many attempts to 'fix' Timetwister and most are like Day's Undoing, which I don't even think it saw much competitive play. I certainly don't remember seeing it.
Time Twister does not deserve it's spot in the Power Nine. The other 8 are all pure power that supercharge literally any (on color) deck you put them in. TT is a combo piece that's weak or even bad in the wrong deck. I think it's there 'cause some early players got wrecked by a Twister combo and cried. If we re-evaluated the list today Sol Ring would take TT's spot without question.
on a side note, the prices included show why the reserved list is bullshit. birds of paradise is $7 in m11, but $7000 for the alpha printing. reprinting reserved list cards will not affect their value long term
That is a dumb argument for numerous reasons i will not repeat here, just the key thing: its priced in. Its priced in, which means Hasbro will go bust in a class action lawsuit based on those ugly revised duals alone.
@@kurtilein3 Seems to me like the exact opposite of a dumb argument. Care to elaborate? Why would there be a class action when we can plainly see that reprinting cards hasn't tanked the value of their original printings?
@@JasonOshinko Legally the situation is that if wizards is not following its own old promises about the reserved list, and this causes a price drop in some of your cards, you can sue to be compensated for the difference. Alpha birds have always been reprinted, so the price has always been lower compared to Alpha reserved list cards. Print run for any Alpha rare is just 1100. So it is priced in. Black Lotus is reserved list, since its inception, so that is priced in, and despite the same print run of 1100, its priced in, so the price is higher. Look up prices for unlimited birds and unlimited black lotus. You see how its priced in. Like, its really solidly priced in. Noone wants unlimited birds, too many reprints. Revised is just ugly, botched-up cardframe, faded colors, white-bordered, and also not rare. Revised dual lands rise into the high hundreds in spite of being less desireable and not very rare, meanwhile revised birds in nice quality set you back around 15 dollars. So without the reserved list the price for any revised dual should be around 10 dollars. It is not. That is because these have always been reserved list, have always been the budget version, so the price is not 10 dollars. The market memorized what happened the last 30 years and that is why revised birds are 15 dollars and revised underground sea is not. Reprints will not hurt the value of Alpha because alpha rares are 1100 copies each, and many are lost. Reprints will hurt unlimited and revised, and that is where the numbers go insane. With that large print run, try calculating how much money is lost if all revised duals lose just 30% in value. Imagine that amount of money, then imagine a chunk of that reversing polarity and coming hurdling to your face in the form of a class-action lawsuit. If it hits you, you are forced to pay that, to the people you betrayed/swindled. That is not fun with these very large numbers you get, a small company like Hasbro could not survive it.
...another one who doesn’t understand that Bird and Shivan are extremely iconic and that's why their price is high. Comparing these to Reserved List is just stupid. Take a card like Humility, ehat do you think would happen with the value of the Tempest version if it was printed as a rare in the Enchanting Tales in Wilds of Eldraine? It would drop 90 percent, as would almost all other reserved list cards as well.
@@hermodnitter3902 honestly bro, I typed that while high as shit last night, even though I'm wrong, I don't really care. legacy and vintage should be more affordable
Oh it is clearly one of the power nine, but I'm not sure which one so I'm gonna guess Mox Opal? Edit: Cool technically right. Edit 2: Wait, Mox Opal isn't one of the power nine, I'm bad at MTG.
I bet number one is healing salve
Healing Salve isn't played in any format, so it's obviously banned.
Classic mistake. Preventing 3 damage is a very powerful effect. However, Circle of Protection: Red is the only way in the game to completely shutdown the most powerful combo in the game: Channel/Fireball. That makes it the true #1 of this list.
Island and it's not even close.
Yeah, it's almost as good as teeka's dragon
I once had a playset of Beta Healing Salve,does that count?
I was kinda hoping #1 was the basic lands. The rule is you include ant card with its original print in that set, so this was the only shot for basics. I get why you wouldn't do that though.
Nizzahon should have put all 5 at number 1.
Yeah I was kinda hoping the same thing when I saw the video title :(
I bet he didn't include them because counting them would take FOREVER
Because that’s stupid lol
@@fatpad00 He could have at least acknowledged them in some way.
Minor thing, but it always irked me, that Demonic Tutor doesn't have a downside. Flavour-wise this seems like a pretty big miss to me since Demons and Devils are supposed to be tricksters who give you more than you bargained for.
I think that price of 1.5k$ is perfectly in flavor, because you should pay a lot for those demonic shenanigans
Well, the color pie wasn't really well defined at that point. Not that WotC follows the color pie any more...
@@gregoryfolsom7882The original comment has very little to do with the color pie. It cares about how a specific card is based on a deal with a demon that goes perfectly because it is as straightforward as it seems on first glance. Stories involving demons have not changed much over that time.
@@delta3244 oh they haven't, and the ante cards in alpha represent the concept better that DT does, tbh
Hear me out, the downside is that after using demonic tutor a few times, NOT having one becomes upsetting. To the point that playing a color other than black becomes impossible. Even playing black and not drawing one can seem maddening. Not being able to use the card you want, when you want becomes infuriating...
9:23 Funny story about Volcanic Island - it wasn’t “forgotten” or missed. The artist who was commissioned to do the art for that card put a BIRD in front of said Volcanic Island… if you go back several minutes, you may recognize that bird. But because the bird was featured so much more prominently, they changed the card to a bird creature card. At this point, it was too late to get the newly commissioned artwork for Volcanic Island to be ready for Alpha’s printing.
Funny, but not true though. Birds of Paradise was originally intended for Tropical Island. However, because the Bird was so prominent, they made a completely new card to fit this (which became BoP), and they also made a new artwork for Tropical Island to replace the Bird drawing. The story you tell is a long-lived myth.
@@hermodnitter3902 There’s literally Smoke coming out of a volcano in the picture.
@@crawdaddy2004 which doesn’t change anything. Even more funny that you seem to think your wrong version of the story is still correct, even when the truth is presented to you.
@@hermodnitter3902 I quoted Mark Rosewater… see second reply
@@crawdaddy2004 and I quoted Jesper Myrfors, the art director at the time and also the artist for Tropical Island. (while MaRo wasn't even a wotc employee)
I’m proud of BoP. Managing to be such an enduring and powerful creature in of itself is a feat but to do it coming from a format and era that thought less of creatures than the mud on their shoes is extra impressive. Go BoP go!
The Glorious Lobster Emperor had the faintest glimmer of a smile today.
Hope he stops his spam now.
@@AkukAkuku I've found it pretty amusing tbh. I can appreciate his commitment to the bit.
I've found it annoying and unfunny.
@JasonOshinko good thing comedy is subjective
I take what I can get. I was definitely pleased.
I played a lot of Dark Ritual into the Specter while playing MTG Shandalar
The art is really good on most of these cards. Given how uneven the art quality was in early sets, it's kind of remarkable that almost all of the ultra powerful ones got sweet art.
If there's a statement that Nizzahon needs not repeat in this list, it would be "It is going to keep on seeing play."
when Dark Ritual is number 10, you know this is a broken af list
This was an awesome list. It was actually kind of surprising. I still think it would be cool to do a top 10 vintage cards minus power 8 (Timetwister should be allowed in the list, imo)
I'm sure he would just group the 8 together.
you comment this all the time i thought finally you got your wish 😂
Now I just wanna see a top 10 of all time. Just the ten cards with the most points
Heh, i think you just saw them :)
It would look pretty much identical haha
@@simanolastname2399 True. but there are probably some other cards that would drop some of these out. Like think of all the times a fetch land has gotten a top 8. Basically at every tournament for every format theyre legal in.
@@BuddyIsGarbage I can't imagine any card cycle or individual card that could possibly have a higher score with Nizzahon's metrics than the fetches. I think it's more like the shocks and force of will that'd be edging into the lower end of the list.
I'm curious as to how many points the basic lands have. Presumably Island, by virtue of its sheer multi-format success, has the highest score of any card in the game.
3 cards with the number 3 cycle are in the top. Dark ritual, lightning bolt and ancestral recall.
And Black Lotus! Which is the artifact of the cycle.
@Nizzahon Black Lotus and friends should be #2.
#1 should be a five way tie: Mountain, Island, Swamp, Forest, Plains.
Implying that Island isn't better than the others
I just now realized OG counterspell’s art is energy from a spell going limp. I always thought the guy just grew tendrils on his fingers for whatever reason and just didn’t even question that.
number 8 seems the most likely to fall from it's current place, or it would have without being added to Modern. I don't generally see it in Legacy any more.
Okay birds is also going to drop, it is only played in Modern anymore, and even then it competes with several other cards, namely the Higharchs, and sees way less play than it used to. Dark Ritual sees way more play due to Legacy. this list will in time, a long time mind you, shift.
I hope you do the Top 10 Worst Cards in each set.
That would be pretty boring, especially in modern sets.
10-6: Below-rate vanilla or French vanilla creatures
5-3: Do-nothing enchantments
2; Mythic rare with cool design that is useless everywhere and/or costs 9 mana
1: The most egregious Do-nothing artifact/enchantment
@@krisdaschwab912If not every set, maybe just a handful of the most powerful sets or sets with the highest number of competitive cards.
Loved the idea! Very curious about the early sets Top 10 Worst Cards
I'm glad that each color got at least one iconic card on this list. And black's two cards are the ones which don't fit into their side of the color pie. Dark Ritual is a type of effect that has moved into red and Demonic Tutor doesn't have a drawback like paying life.
Ah the old days. I didn't buy into the game until Rath Block (played friends decks before that), but I have so many fond memories with Dark Rit. Most of my favorites involve turn one on the play: Swamp into Rit into Hymn into Duress.
much better duress into hymn
@@godfreyofbouillon966 Normally I'd agree, but with some decks I liked the option of a different play depending on reaction, such as a Sleeper Agent, Pit Imp, or Vampiric Tutor.
Here's an idea for a new video series. Card history, where you track a card throughout its competitive history across years, formats and deck archetypes. Your comments about Birds of Paradise made me realize that it has its own rich history, in decks like RecSur, Fires of Yavimaya, Birthing Pod (in Standard and Modern), Wolf Run Ramp and more. Lots of cards could fit this series, like the Moxen, Counterspell, Lightning Bolt or even more modern cards like Thoughtseize, Tarmogoyf (RIP), Stoneforge Mystic or Ponder/Preordain.
10:00 I'd argue that Ancestral is more powerful than Lotus.
i had a hyppie, a mind twist and several mundungu's in a black/blue deck. no one ever liked my decks and i don't like them looking back at it. Everyone happened to have 1 sol ring and im not aware we ever knew about bannings or restrictions
And then there is the card more powerful than the power 9. A card not even legal in Vintage. Contract from Below will forever stand as the most outrageously powerful card ever printed.
Island deserves a spot. While it’s only a 1-off in recent Legacy Delver lists, it’s still very popular in Modern and Standard. And also in Legacy control decks. The only very powerful land that can’t be wastelanded.
Ahhh Alpha, the set that started it all. I'm almost certain that plenty of cards would make it onto "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
I think this is as close as you’re likely to get to fulfilling the dream, but it’s pretty close!
It feels so close now
I held out hope for so long... but we are indeed getting close!
Please please stop. This bit stopped being funny a long time ago. I would block you if I could, but UA-cam sucks and all blocking does is stop you from commenting on my videos, rather than stopping me from seeing your comments altogether.
@@JasonOshinko If you're seriously that upset at a UA-cam comment it takes you less than a second to scroll past, that's kinda on you mate. No need to be a dick about it just because you don't like it. Keep scrolling.
Nizzahon should have put all 5 original basic lands at number 1.
Never really understood why Timetwister is on the "power nine", but Sol Ring isnt
Has to do with rarity just as much as power.
Idea for April fool's video.
Top 10 power 9 cards.
In alternative, I'll also settle for top 10 basic lands.
That one is bound to be the most stacked list you've ever made.
to be fair, there are 11 basic lands, so a top 10 list is possible.
@@Melissanoma Forest, Mountain, Island, Swamp, Plains, Wastes, Snow-Covered Forest, Snow-Covered Mountain, Snow-Covered Island, Snow-Covered Swamp, Snow-Covered Plains.
I assume those are the 11?
Great to see another Top 10 Set vid! Looking forward to other vids!😅
Can you do mtg top 10 cards(with no restrictions)
I will never understand why Sol Ring is not considered part of the Power 9.
Because it's not on the reserve list. aka MARO decided it wasn't valuable enough to restrict it to "Fuck you, I got mine" early WOTC employees.
@@brentatbluenovaproductions2136yeah man, I’m sure the fresh recruit Mark Rosewater, a game designer, had tons of influence on the reprint policy at the time.
Actually back then it was on the reserve list!
That’s because it wasn’t printed at rare lol 😂
Of the power 9 timewalk is insane 2 mana to take another turn...what were they thinking.
Now it's time to hope for a top 100 from Alpha. Cheers!
A moment of silence for Timetwister please
This is very funny because I was actually considering asking you to do something similar to this. I still think my idea would make a good video so please consider it:
Top 10 cards by my scoring system. I think that would be interesting because you could take the top 10 cards by your scoring system and analyze if they are truly better than other cards that didn't make the list.
Obviously certain cards that are banned or restricted out of everything but vintage Macy less play than strictly less powerful cards that are available to play in more formats. I would be interested in seeing how much of the top 10 by your scores matches up with a reasonable expectation of the top 10.
This might also make sense as one of your milestone videos because it can be so analytical of your own style and system.
For one, Contract from below, which is considered the most powerful card in the game, has a fat 0 point as it was banned from every format from the beginning.
9:14 I am surprised to see the Duals rank below Power. Of course, the Power cards are better than the Duals, but the fact that Duals are legal in legacy, and have points from extended (especially because they were grandfathered into extended past the rotation of revised), and Power is only legal as a 1 of in vintage, it would seem logical that duals would get more points total.
Maybe do a Top 11-20 for Alpha too, since the set is so busted. I'd watch it.
Nice!
What about the top 10 mana dorks? Or top 10 stuf that taps for damage
(Like Hateflayer)
I have done Mana Dorks and Pingers.
Do a mana pinger?
@@NizzahonMagic thank you ^^ what about non-pingers? Like Lightning Crafter?
"If you want to own any of these cards" I mean I *DO* want to own the Power 9, but...
If Swords to Plowshares were allowed to count 10% of Path to Exile's points and Counterspell were allowed to count 5% of Force of Will's points they would each be at least 1 rank higher.
It's hard to argue that FoW is really the same but it opens up "where is the line?" If you allow Path, and yet it seems right to account for Path in some way.
Swords/Path is GOATed, it must be better than Tutors or Dorks to have a 1 mana spot removal. 🤔
Have to wonder how different this list might be if the banned and restricted list didn't exist
Do you mean the reserved list? I mean, sure, the list might be different without a banned and restricted list, but it might be wildly dissent without a reserved list.
I'm just happy lightning bolt is on here
Just out of curiosity what would have been Number 11?
Sol Ring in Old School I think has helped me the most.
Hurloon minotaur backed by hurkyl recall = game over.
I've waited years for this
Why is BoP better than Llanowar elves? Is it the ability to chump block a flier?
Mana of any color is a big difference.
Ahhhhh thank you, I somehow didn’t notice that.
My favorite thing about Alpha/Beta is how the cards have double borders.
I’d still be interested in top 10 land cycles, while we’re on the subject of stacked lists
Lord of the pit, dark ritual, mana vault!
Hoping number 1 is just the 5 basic lands.
I thought for sure #1 was going to be the 5 Basic Lands lol.
Top 20-11 alpha cards maybe 🤔
Alright Emperor Lobster, we are getting closer to the Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus the Power 9!)
After 30 years of powercreep, I wonder if these cards are considered as busted now. Obviously the power 9 are all insane, so no argument there. But are dual lands really that good, now that we have cards that are arguably as good? Like the duals that come into play untapped if you have 2 lands or less are millimeters away from being identical to the originals. Birds of Paradise is no big deal at all anymore. You could make a case that Vampiric Tutor is every bit as good as Demonic and utterly busted if you are also running Isochron Scepter.
Power creep really only applies to creatures.
Dual lands are still the best lands. The fact they have land types makes them far better than any other cycle. The shock lands are the only ones that come close.
Demonic tutor is still the best tutor.
Lightning Bolt is still the best burn spell.
Dark ritual is still the best ritual.
Swords to Plowshares is still the best white removal, maybe best removal period.
Sol Ring is the best non power 9 mana rock.
BoP and Noble Hierarch are comparable.
@@NizzahonMagic My first line is my thesis: "Are these cards so busted now?" not "Are these cards weak now?" I don't doubt they are the best lands but is the gulf between them and all the other dual lands really that great? In the early days when land destruction was still a big deal, you could make a case that them having basic types was a weakness since they could be wiped out by cards like Flashfires. "I was there, 3000 years ago, when these cards were printed." Also: I don't doubt the cards you named as not being the best at what they do (except maybe Demonic Tutor because an Instant speed Tutor has special value), but are they so over the top as to be 'busted' now that you can setup an infinite loop on turn 2 or 3 using modern cards and win the game on the spot?
Wait Dark Ritual, an insanely powerful piece of cardboard that has #1'ed some list, got 10th
theyre understandably left out usually but basic lands should have counted for this one
Why is timetwidter considered one of the 9 most powerful cards ever? Apparently its not widely played, and its not even busted enough to be banned in commander
That's a status it received back in 1993. It isn't really considered one of the 9 most powerful ever anymore.
I think our Glorious Lobster Emperor just got his wish. Where is he?
Sad, no basic lands :(
Otherwise i always love listening to these
Bolt the birds!
I wouldn't mind it if you did a list based on your opinions of what is a staple in commander or who you consider to be fun commanders
I was betting on bolt being tops.
Same, I figured it's play in a wide variety of formats forever would give it an edge over the vintage-only P9
Timetwister should not be part of the power nine and I think it is the only one that could be reprinted and not completely break the meta. There have been many attempts to 'fix' Timetwister and most are like Day's Undoing, which I don't even think it saw much competitive play. I certainly don't remember seeing it.
So time twister should be unbanned and unrestricted then
The real 9th Power 9 card is Sol Ring, not Timetwister.
I think sol ring could be unbanned in legacy if urzas saga wasnt a thing
Oh yes… this is a doozy!!
If number 1 isn't Rock Hydra we will riot
If number one isn't the basic lands, I will be disappointed
we should promote sol ring to power9
Ok, this is the definitive proof that Sol Ring should be in the power 9 instead of Timetwister.
Time Twister does not deserve it's spot in the Power Nine. The other 8 are all pure power that supercharge literally any (on color) deck you put them in. TT is a combo piece that's weak or even bad in the wrong deck.
I think it's there 'cause some early players got wrecked by a Twister combo and cried.
If we re-evaluated the list today Sol Ring would take TT's spot without question.
Maybe for a april fool list : top 9 Power 9 cards ? :D
Poor time twister 😢
I think you meant to say top 26 cards in alpha. XD
I miss MTG Shandalar. It's the only way I could play the OG cards. Wizards should at least remake them.
You can still play it. Lots of youtubers post videos of Shandalar even today. Like The Magic Historian, or that old school guy Timmy the Sorcerer
So anyone want to buy a black lotus now that they've been given the suggestion to by Nizzahon
The true #1 is islands with the most points. Prove me wrong
on a side note, the prices included show why the reserved list is bullshit. birds of paradise is $7 in m11, but $7000 for the alpha printing. reprinting reserved list cards will not affect their value long term
That is a dumb argument for numerous reasons i will not repeat here, just the key thing: its priced in. Its priced in, which means Hasbro will go bust in a class action lawsuit based on those ugly revised duals alone.
@@kurtilein3 Seems to me like the exact opposite of a dumb argument. Care to elaborate? Why would there be a class action when we can plainly see that reprinting cards hasn't tanked the value of their original printings?
@@JasonOshinko Legally the situation is that if wizards is not following its own old promises about the reserved list, and this causes a price drop in some of your cards, you can sue to be compensated for the difference.
Alpha birds have always been reprinted, so the price has always been lower compared to Alpha reserved list cards. Print run for any Alpha rare is just 1100. So it is priced in.
Black Lotus is reserved list, since its inception, so that is priced in, and despite the same print run of 1100, its priced in, so the price is higher.
Look up prices for unlimited birds and unlimited black lotus. You see how its priced in. Like, its really solidly priced in. Noone wants unlimited birds, too many reprints.
Revised is just ugly, botched-up cardframe, faded colors, white-bordered, and also not rare. Revised dual lands rise into the high hundreds in spite of being less desireable and not very rare, meanwhile revised birds in nice quality set you back around 15 dollars. So without the reserved list the price for any revised dual should be around 10 dollars. It is not. That is because these have always been reserved list, have always been the budget version, so the price is not 10 dollars. The market memorized what happened the last 30 years and that is why revised birds are 15 dollars and revised underground sea is not.
Reprints will not hurt the value of Alpha because alpha rares are 1100 copies each, and many are lost. Reprints will hurt unlimited and revised, and that is where the numbers go insane. With that large print run, try calculating how much money is lost if all revised duals lose just 30% in value. Imagine that amount of money, then imagine a chunk of that reversing polarity and coming hurdling to your face in the form of a class-action lawsuit. If it hits you, you are forced to pay that, to the people you betrayed/swindled.
That is not fun with these very large numbers you get, a small company like Hasbro could not survive it.
...another one who doesn’t understand that Bird and Shivan are extremely iconic and that's why their price is high. Comparing these to Reserved List is just stupid. Take a card like Humility, ehat do you think would happen with the value of the Tempest version if it was printed as a rare in the Enchanting Tales in Wilds of Eldraine? It would drop 90 percent, as would almost all other reserved list cards as well.
@@hermodnitter3902 honestly bro, I typed that while high as shit last night, even though I'm wrong, I don't really care. legacy and vintage should be more affordable
Oh it is clearly one of the power nine, but I'm not sure which one so I'm gonna guess Mox Opal?
Edit:
Cool technically right.
Edit 2: Wait, Mox Opal isn't one of the power nine, I'm bad at MTG.
Ah yes Mox opal, the 10th card in the power nine :)
@@matthewspear2053 Woops XD
@@matthewspear2053More like Sol Ring
Mox Opal also came out in 2010 lol
Too bad those cards are on the reserve list
Several of them aren't.
Also too bad that your take is completely wrong...
First! Woohoo! It's finally here!