The Bene Gesserit Witch | Reverend Mother Mohaim | Dune Lore Explained
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2023
- An examination of the preeminent Bene Gesserit Witch, the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohaim, and how she uses her powers to serve both the Emperor and the sisterhood. Spoiler warning if you are unfamiliar with Frank Herbert’s Dune.
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If she is always at the emperor's side, how did she have time to go to Caladan and test Paul?
Life isn't a mystery to solve, its a reality to experience. ( helen giaus mohiam) .
Magic Mommy Milkers was a concept name for the sisterhood that was ultimately changed in post by an editor. Historians to this day still ponder why they'd run and hide from perfection.
I think I read there were problems translating it into Chakobsa.
@@vaeringjar1387 Yes. "Choo-choo Moo-moo" did not do well among pre-release proofreaders. 🤣🤣🤣
@@User_Un_FriendlyI'll see you in Hell 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of the things I've admired about Dune is that, even though it's in the far future, spread across the galaxy, the characters are still people.
The Reverend Mother has supernatural powers with the voice and the ability to draw on race memories, but you still see a human being through it all.
I'm especially reminded of her conversation with Jessica before the move to Dune, dispassionately discussing Duke Leto's impending destruction. When Jessica waivers, HGM says "I wish I could stand in your place, take your suffering."
Her cold, hard demeanor isn't fake, but underneath it, she does have feelings, loyalties, and love.
The BG are my favourite faction in Dune.
Their ways were ruthless and sometimes cruel but always for a purpose and always willing to sacrifice themselves too, not only others.
Also, their play may not even have worked if they had implemented it their way without the interruption that was Paul, but their stated objective was to produce the QH in order to help them guide humanity to refine the savagery out of them to ultimately engineer a more civilised humanity to reduce the suffering of all.
I think it shows that through fanaticism, dogma, hubris and imperfect people the Creator's plan is still achieved even though it might not been the plan of those used to achieve it. The universe functions by balancing various dark and light forces against anarchy and chaos.
@@pakde8002 Well, I'm not sure a detour of tens or hundreds of billions of people being murdered by Paul's forces was the optimal path to reach the goal.
But if the Golden path really was the difference between humanity's survival or extinction then all who came after can be weighed against those hundreds of billions killed and given enough time the disparity will be so massive that even the hundreds of billions would seem like a relatively small price to pay even though it's massive and tragic in absolute terms.
This is the type of content I look forward to and helps me escape a shitty or mundane day. Thanks for this content!
She was a formidable character. Well played in both of the movies actually. Cheers for the vid.
Jessica is such a good example of a badass that doesn't feel forced
Sian Phillips > Charlotte Rampling
The Bene Gesserit are what makes the Dune series. They're much more interesting than Paul or Leto II. Heretics and Chapterhouse are my favorite Dune books specifically because they focus on them.
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❤ My favorites too
The old tune!
First, thank you very much indeed for returning to the older theme music for opening and close.
More importantly, thank you for your continued thoughtful insights and judicious reviews and analyses.
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THE OLD MUSIC IS BACK!!!! YAY!!!!
Great video, as always. Mohiam was an interesting character, and I enjoyed her role in Dune Messiah, since it gave her more of a direct hand in what was happening as part of the conspiracy. Her conversation with Scytale was fun, and I thought that the fact that she was disposed of "off-camera" was suitably indicative of how powerless she had become.
One weird thing about Mohiam is that she has metal teeth. I remember the first time I read Dune, and that detail really struck me, even though it's only mentioned once. It gives her a kind of faerie tale hag quality, like the Baba Yaga. The Lynch film is the only adaptation to include it; it's such a small thing, but suitably weird enough that I guess he kept it.
Bene Gesserit: The TRUE protagonists of the Dune books!
Yes, amazing how FH turns things around in the last three book as regards to the Bene Gesserit. Genius..
I like the way Paul makes her hobble for miles through the vast halls of his palace.
Thanks for this inspiring video! The hype for Dune part 2 is so high, your analysis helps us to mantain the expectation in acceptable levels! Cheers from Brazil 😘
For all her skills and powr, stilgars knife still put an end to her schemes. I always loved the Benne Geserite story line up to and including GEoD. Then later i really liked Dawi Odrade abd her story.
I wish I could render poisons harmless with my body’s chemicals. That’s a cool trick.
Sian Phillips is FAR superior. Even if you didn't know a thing about Dune you could instantly tell everything from the style that she put into the character... Ya know, Dune 84 may get a lot of hate but at least it tried to tamp down the pretension...
Most of the cast was pretty spot on.
@@vaeringjar1387 Yes, even Sting played Feyd as a great little punkass villain.
@@Finn_MacCool I really would have liked to see the gladiator scene. They didn't give him enough to do, but there was already too much happening in that movie. Matt Keeslar was an...interesting choice for the miniseries. He wasn't half bad, but that whole adaptation needed better direction.
@@vaeringjar1387 What do you think of the new adaptation?
@@Finn_MacCool I think the cast is great, but I wish more of the book made it into the runtime. In fact, I think that's the biggest problem - tons of good actors, but the script isn't giving them the chance to take advantage of the material. I keep making the joke that they must be paying Stellan Skarsgard by the word, since his scenes end as soon as he starts really talking. My friends and I are pretty sure Walken's going to be in the next one for like 2 minutes. What about you?
Another awesome video to you and your team. I could listen to you talk nerdy all day.
Thanks Elaine. One thing thst stands out , after the first book she seems to lead the opposition to paul , in the jihad. With the great houses and former sardukar .and the guild. But after years of failure the sisterhood also use allies .expand the conspiracy. In book one she is a member of the sisterhood high council, protor superior, and proctor of the the mother school. ( Charterhouse headquarters) second in command behind the mother superior. Im not positive but she may be mother superior by messiah. She definitely speaks for the order.
I always wonder why so many say women are not well represented in Dune when they seem part of the main events in the story
They didnt read far enough and are blind , only see Paul and Leto
I wish you would clarify for people that Gaius Helen Mohiam is not the actual leader of the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood, that position rests with the Mother Superior. She's also is not the Reverend Mother with the most intimate details up their breeding program, that is with the Kwisatz Mother. However, while there may be thousands of full Reverend Mothers throughout the Imperium, she is still a very high-ranking and important RM, (placed there intentionally by The Sisterhood of course) that being the Emperor's Truthsayer. I think it's also important to clarify for people that lower-ranking Bene Gesserit sisters, like lady Jessica earlier in the novel, are still acolytes in the Sisterhood. While they themselves are very powerful because of their training, they still do not possess the full extent of their powers, including Other Memory, because they have not undergone the Spice Agony and become Full Reverend Mothers. A note on wild Reverend Mothers. I think people often misunderstand what they are too, they are wild in a sense, but they are also a product of the Missionaria Protective. No doubt there are wild Reverend Mothers on many other planets within the Imperium. For example, once a gifted Freman female becomes a Reverend Mother herself, and receives Other Memory going back millenia, she would then become fully aware of her role and place within the Sisterhood, if she didn't already know. Finally, I would speculate that all Reverend Mothers within The Sisterhood probably consider themselves equal of equal rank in a sense because once they receive Other Memory, they are all elevated to the same lofty status.
Imagine carefully laying a plan through centuries in secret of a galactic empire in order to control the galaxy only for Jessica to chose to birth a boy a the last minute
Your dune videos are always interesting. Keep up the great work Elaine, take care!
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Thank you, Nerd Cookies.
Glad you have your opening tube back :D
I thought that the Reverend Mother in the new Dune film was as sinister as I imagined she would be after reading the books. The original movie version was fearful enough too but I feel that in the movies they could have done a lot more. The "put your hand in the box, Paul" scene still haunts my dreams sometimes.
Ah the return of the OG intro music I love so much, and on a video of such an interactive character to boot!
Another good one, thank you!
I always enjoy fictional works that blend the line between Magic and Biology through the use of psychic abilities, another such example are the Na’vi Tsahik from Avatar who are basically shamans who understand energy lines and veins and how to regulate them
Fantastic! Thank you so much :):):)!!
A big fan of your UA-cam channel. Your content helps expand my knowledge of lot of my SYFY favorites. Have you read any of the recent Dune graphic novel comic books like Dune: House Atreides and Dune: House Harkonnen? They explain Lady Jessica's maternal parentage and Baron Harkonnen's morbid obesity and a lot of other back stories. It would be great content for your channel.
Agreed. Apparently, the Reverend Mother and another great house got busy and made a baby.
Not to be throwing spoilers out, but it also shows how the Reverend Mother gives active samples of nasty and irreversible diseases to our favorite floating fat man!
Please Nerd Cookies do a video on this!!!
Brilliantly played by Dame Jane Elizabeth Ailwên Phillips DBE (Siân Phillips) in David (I'm trapped in the Black Lodge and I can't get out) Lynch's Dune (1984) adaptation. Upon consideration, I would heartily recommend her performance as Livia in the popular BBC adaptation of Robert Graves's novel I, Claudius (BBC2, 1976).
Cheers.
Thnx
Wonderfully played character, one of my favorites in the 1st Dune movies. The jury is still out on the second dune movie, would like to see a Bene Gesserit historical saga drama movie showing their manipulation of the royal households.
Obscuration? Is that even a word?
"To obscure and/or obfuscation" I've heard before.
Release extended cut, Dennis!
"Silence!" - Reverend Mother Mohaim
lol but in all seriousness Charlotte Rampling truly commanded that role.
I missed a few interesting details on Mohiam. For instance she is an intrinsic part of the way to the Kwisatz Haderach as being the mother of Lady Jessica. Jessica's father was a intriguing person too, the Baron and because of the abominable way the Baron treated Mohiam, she gave the once athletic build Baron a disease that made him the fat one we all love. As is the rule withing the Bene Gesserit, children are not told who their mothers are, but find out after teh spice agony ritual.
Little sidestep: because Bene gesserit only can access their female blooline, I never understood how the Baron popped up in Alia
iirc, Alia can interface with the Baron in Other Memory bc she's preborn, an Abomination to the rest of the Bene Gesserit
Have you taken the training Elaine?
When a Reverend Mother is able to access the other memory, do they immediately learn the abilities of the Reverend Mothers who came before them? In other words, did Jessica become as powerful as Reverend Mother Mohiam after she experienced the Spice Agony?
Every woman gets the memories of her relatives so unless Jessica is related to her she will not get her knowledge. Also one only gets to access info , memories , get advice from ancestors but you dont get their bodies. If you are short you are not going to be just as good as your tall relative from 400 years ago at playing basketball. Reverend mothers can chose to share their memories but I dont remember these 2 doing it .
@mariar3767 Jessica's real mother is Reverend Mother Helen Mohaim. The books clearly described their familiar relationship, especially the later books.
@@waterdragon9274 is that in the original books or the ones the son wrote?
@mariar3767 I think it's in the first book but it was definitely explored in some of the later ones. Also others on the thread mention that the Reverend mother is Lady Jessica's mother. The 1984 movie also had Alia mentioning that the Reverend mother was her grandmother.
@@waterdragon9274 sometimes a lot of these "details " come from the books written by the son and he added a lot of stuff and modified things
I see reverent mother as a victim of her own design. by design I mean mental power and power as such. the power usually corups and power with goal corupts surly. power by itself is more good more bad. you attache the goal, the purpose, and it always turs to be destructive.
Great video but her face lol
So 10000 years in the future womens special power is lying and sneaking around
… some things never change 😂
Reliance upon a truth sayer who has a separate agenda seems counterproductive as one never knows if she's telling the truth when she says someone has lied or was truthful. It could as easily be a manipulation serving the agenda of her order.
Get well soon, Elaine. You don't sound well.
I remember that she's Jessica's mother and she poisoned Baron Vladimir Harkonnen too.
how did she get Chani killed again ?
All that just to get her ass kicked by the Atreides
Why is there so much hair loss in the Duniverse? Thousands of years in the future and they still don't have a cure for baldness!
I wasn't a fan of her story in the house Atradies book.
For those wondering, Bene Gesserit have these supernatural powers because their ancestors, thousands of years earlier, visited a planet whose atmosphere gave only female humans psychic powers. These women eventually became the Bene Gesserit seen in Dune on a quest to create a male one.
Why is she bald?
The 1984 Bene Gesserit were terribly designed. Hard to stay immersed considering nobody in the universe would ever consider bald women attractive
Bald women in 1984? Or 25,000 years in the future?
bald women can be incredibly attractive. and hair length is a product of cultural norms, so in the year 10191, who are you to assert that as a fact? your opinion is just misogynistic
@@c.ladimore1237 In reality there is a group of women already who are mostly bald that are rated lowest in terms of desireability on ALL dating apps. Can you guess which group of gross subhumans the data refers to?
@@offlineraided you?
@@c.ladimore1237 As expected you cant deny the truth or facts so you deflect, typical jogger behavior