Thanks for all your comments on this video! I definitely missed a few notable features on Lichess that probably would've bumped up its rating quite a bit - but keep in mind I had only been playing Lichess for 27 hours over 30 days when this video was made. Will definitely be looking to make a more thorough, individual and in-depth review of Lichess as a whole once I've been using it for longer as I'm currently using Lichess 50% of the time and Chess.com 50% of the time. Hopefully I'll do one on Chess.com as a whole soon too. Also Lichess being free is massive bonus points, but in terms of functionality it doesn't improve anything, its just far more (and deservedly so) accessible to the average user. Which is why I didn't take it into account when rating categories, but left it up to your own judgement on how those ratings would be adjusted as there's no easy way to quantify it.
@@Jamaramlolz i don't feel like condemning Chess.com for being a business is a fair way to compare the two websites though. if i was including the fact that Chess.com is paid, then i would also have to include all of the projects Chess.com does with their revenue. for example all of the events Chess.com hosts would have to be included, all of the great tournament commentary would be included, Chess.com's content on their UA-cam would be included, collaborations with various companies like Discord and Clash Royale, PogChamps 1 through to 5. all of these things push Chess massively and make the game as popular as it is as a direct result of Chess.com being a business and not a charity.
Yes, plus it has some really cool piece sets and board colours but everyone plays on the ugly default board for some reason and then proceeds to complain about the aesthetics.
Oh and another factor that some may consider important - quality of downloaded PGN game files. Things may have changed now but I swear a couple of years ago they where deliberately adding text to screw up other parsers requiring manual editing. Got sick of this as well.
Yes, can confirm (I used a lot many chess UI, for games and work). Clearly this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. And chesscom UI is garbage (sorry chesscom but that's the truth).
@@nawal2956 After you play a game, click the analysis tab. At the very bottom it will offer a recommended set of puzzles related to the opening you used.
Perfect score UI for Chesscom is insane. At the end of the game a massive panel opens right on top of the board, obscuring it! It's so annoying to have the game obscured as soon as it finishes. Also lichess has a progress bar for the clocks, with the green bar shrinking as the time runs down, and it turns red when you get low on time. It allows you to see a direct visual comparison between the two clocks. It's true Lichess default colours are very drab, but the looks are actually much more flexible than Cc as it has hue/opacity sliders for the board colours so you can change it however you like, and you can easily use whatever background image you like just by pasting in an URL. But agree that the "chat" panel at the left is way oversized and move list is undersized. Oh well.
i could've gone on about the UI for much longer than i did but felt that the video would end up being too long. there are plenty more UI problems on Lichess like on the profile page. its often extremely unclear what is an interactive button and what isn't. at the end of the day the UI shouldn't matter too much though, and apart from streaming & making videos on the platform it doesn't for me. the unclear interactivity and the mismanagement of space on Lichess is the most frustrating part for me, which i feel Chess.com does a lot better.
@@jacksarkisian For competitive (and pro) chess players, lichess UI is far more better (for many reasons I assume you didn't even notice because you use lichess only for games and stream).
The fact that you can't instantly close that panel is more annoying than the panel itself. X in the upper corner is tied to the big green button in the center and the big green button shows the progress of analyzing the game before it becomes clickable. As a consequence, X button is also disabled until then. On strong gaming PC this is hard to notice. On laptops, phones and tablets this can cause damage to devices as when you don't give a player a fast rage quit option, they have a tendency to switch focus and slam keyboards, throw mouses, phones, headphones and even use tablets like a frisbee.
of course you'll have to take my word on this, but lag compensation on Lichess and Chess.com seems to not work properly at all at least from where i live. my ping fluctuates pretty heavily between 200-400 and even if i perfectly execute a premove on either website sometimes it just takes a weird amount of time. i've had moments on stream playing on Chess.com where executed premoves will take 0.4 seconds instead of 0.1, and i've had times in offline Lichess games where a similar thing occurs and the time is not refunded. i'm fairly certain both platforms have a lag compensation limit, which is most likely the cause of this. of course lag compensation is better than no lag compensation, but its not a perfect system - which is why i generally just prefer 0.1 second unlimited premoves.
From my experience, the lag compensation doesn't actually do anything significant, and the lag on lichess is so bad for me (and others who don't live close to lichess' servers) that I find the entire site unplayable for bullet and blitz. In addition, the single premove limit completely ruins any effect this compensation has, since even without including the inevitable delay in display and input, as was mentioned, the opponent premoving seems to undo this effect in most cases. In lichess this also seems very inconsistent and my time in games often jumps all over the place during low time situations.
A few advantages of lichess worth noting: - lichess is open-source allowing for 100% transparency; its devs cannot arbitrarily give an advantage/disadvantage to specific users - lichess's cheat detection algorithms are way superior - lichess is free - lichess is a non-profit, and not a billion dollar corporation - lichess doesn't pay its users to not mention or play on the other platform lol
the open source part is super cool, didn't think it was important to the average persons experience though unless you really know what you're doing. whilst i do also like that its a non-profit, i don't think you can condemn Chess.com for not being a charity. without Chess.com being a business, online Chess would be much less popular than it is. their marketing is elite and have driven millions of people to online Chess through their events. also worth noting, Chess.com doesn't pay people to not mention or play on other platforms. i'm a Chess.com partner and i made this full video criticizing a lot of things about Chess.com and praising a lot of things on Lichess. the only restricting Chess.com has is that you can't livestream on different Chess websites if you're currently being embedded on Chess.com's homepage - thats it.
@@jacksarkisian there's a difference between condemning something for not being a charity and saying "you need to pay for these features" also, just because you are not told to not mention other platforms, doesn't mean no one is.
feels really good so far & i've only been playing for a month. don't think i'll stream there too much as most of my community on Twitch is from Chess.com, but definitely taking most of my study & offline games there.
this does exist on Lichess! completely missed it as you have to request the analysis. still think I would rate Lichess and Chess.com the same in terms of analysis - but glad this feature exists.
1. The lichess UI is clearly superior, when I play chess I don’t want all sorts of flashing colours like at a casino. Such an aesthetic might attract noobs, but I don’t appreciate it. 2. Lichesses premoves are better. At a 2600+ bullet player I can confidently say, I’ve had games where I’ve made 10+ moves in under 0,1 seconds. 🤔🤔🤔
I myself love Lichess but the first one is just personal preference, and the second one is heavily reliant on ping as he mentioned in the video, which is not good.
Lichess also lets you practice puzzles with positions that came from specific openings, so the puzzles are actually patterns you see in game more often as opposed to a random puzzle
Very good analysis. You seem quite objective and I can understand your reasoning. I strongly disagree on the UI rating. I would give Lichess 9/10 and Chesscom 2/10. For me, the UI of Chesscom is overwhelming and cluttered. When you go to the front page of Chesscom, you see a bunch of ads to classes and courses and whatever. Took me quite a bit of time to figure out how to start playing. On Lichess, you see right away the time controls, you click, you play. I also prefer the positioning of the clocks on Lichess as I don't need to move my eyes up and down to see both clocks. I think in general, Chesscom is designed to guide beginners and Lichess is designed to just play.
True. For me, the board colors and pieces aren't dull. They're much more readable and resemble those in chess books, which helps me feel more focused when playing.
@@Five-Star-Generalyep. I’ve literally never seen anyone say Lichess wasn’t vastly superior except for literal streamer shills Plus one is open source while another is a shameless money grab that pads paid membership with useless crap It’s purpose is to extract money from room temp IQ people that chess streamers and big chess people funnel into via their sponsorship Disgusting
Yeah this guy is off his rocker. Lichess is so much more intuitive. I'll give you an example. Say you want to change the board and pieces. In chesscom, you have to go to settings, change the pieces, click save, go to a puzzle or a game to test it out and then go back to the settings screen if you don't like it. In lichess you can change everything on the fly without leaving the board or game. Takes only a couple clicks and a couple seconds. Little features like this are everywhere.
@@jacksarkisian oh, I've always thought that the game review feature isn't superior (if we even consider it better) than computer review on lichess. however, the UI of lichess makes it hard to find out about all the features they have 😁
I only play on phone and tablet. Lichess has a clean uncluttered look and feel, is free, works well on my sketchy internet, no ads, free puzzles, lots of 960 players. Its not only better by far, its FREE AND better by far. Why not do some lichess streams on youtube and play your youtube lichess playing subs here ?
@@milehighslacker4196it would have been, but he was as fair as he could get. I see a lot of people mad at him for not putting lichess higher when he literally says lichess is better.
Lichess is vastly superior, so it puts things in perspective that vomit green is a disgusting and sh*t website while just two guys is booting all over them
Can't have perspective when he starts lying on the first sentence. Look how long he had his jacksarkisian1 & jacksarkisian accounts on lichess and you'd understand he's talking nonsense bs and lies.
Last thing is puzzle racer is a super fun puzzle feature. Chesscom has puzzle battle but that is 1v1 where as puzzle racer can have upto 10 ppl in the lobby. If chesscom had a puzzle rush/battle with upto 10 people that would be sick
The chessboard MUST be in the center 🤣🤣 The Lichess UI is way superior in my opinion once you get used to it, but I must admit it was intimidating when I saw it for the first time.
The point on premoves isn't strictly correct for Lichess. They permit multiple premoves, but only in correspondence games. I see it more as a design choice.
Just to add, there are other corrections that can be made but I hope you are not disheartened from sharing what you clearly put forth as subjective experiences. One more fun fact as I was an early adopted of Lichess - the site actually invented the Arena format. CC adopted it later but chose not to implement Berserk mode.
My scores out of 10 for each catagory as a non paying player. Gameplay : C 4/10 Li 9/10 Analysis C ?/10 Li 9/10 Puzzles C 1/10 Li 8/10 ( limited pool of puzzles ) UI C 3/10 Li 9.5/10 ( no adds and Chesscom is garish and cartoony and cluttered and i dont intuitivley understand how the site works, whereas Li is clean and intuitive and easy to work out how to do things.
Thank you for the video. As a European there seems to be very little reason for me to choose chesscom over Lichess especially with the additional information from the comments. Will definitely give it a try now.
lichess has lagg compensation it shouldnt matter if you have a ping of 350 ms usually the lagg compensation even give players with a ping of 90-120 a very very slight advantage
yeah this feels slightly lackluster to me though. Chess.com only shows obvious material threats, whilst Lichess shows positional threats too (every single move Lichess shows a threat). maybe Chess.com's feature would be useful to beginner players, but anyone over 1200 is probably seeing those material threats within seconds anyway.
I've felt, especially since I've played a lot on both (10+ years chesscom and 2 years or so on Lichess) Chesscom is for playing chess and Lichess is for learning chess. So depending on your focus, one may be better than the other
yeah the great thing about Lichess is how its open source. lots of cool innovations can be done there that aren't really possible on Chess.com (wintrcat has some cool videos highlighting this). although i don't think the difference in engines matters too much when reviewing games its just a cool extra.
@@jacksarkisian it's not so much the engine difference that matters, so much as the ability to allocate more threads / RAM beyond the defaults, and to get faster / more accurate results.
you won't lose time premoving if its on your opponents clock, but the issue is if you're opponent has counter-premoved you, you can't premove on their clock and you're just playing a regular move. if this happens, you can't line up multiple premoves at all on Lichess (especially paired with the fact that if you're holding a piece whilst your opponent moves, Lichess forces you to drop it on its original square).
3:33 not correct: each dot on Lichess shows how many players there are in this particular rating range, for instance around 2250 there are 1066 players and around 2300 there will be around 900 players and so on, so you should add those numbers. To simply show the math, in Blitz Weekly there are currently 722K players, it shows that I'm better than 97%, it shows that at 2200 rating there are about 4000 players, at 2225 about 3120 players and so on. So if you take 3% out of 722K = it's 21K players. So, after 2200 there are around 21K players, not 4000.
the timestamp you mentioned has a correction of exactly what you mentioned. although admittedly i just eyeballed it (there's around 3,700 players higher rated than me in Rapid on Lichess, not 2,700).
Please make a video on how can we improve our OTB play ? For instance, I'm 2100 online but easily lose to 12 or 1300s OTB . My vision becomes absolutely zero on a real chess board.
I dont know if you had a chance to notice this, but as a lichess main an issue I have with the computer analysis is moves getting unnecessarily given blunders. This is mainly for when you're already stuck in a forced checkmate sequence and you're given a "blunder" because you made a move that leads to mate in 2 instead of another move that....still leads to mate in 2. Hoping they fix this bug. P.S The lack of a brilliant move feature doesnt bother me as much as it used to, as long as the engine doesnt tell me my sacrifice wasnt a blunder or an innacuracy, and then from there I found a strong continuation that kept the advantage, it basically becomes subjective whether my game was "beautiful" or not, which is what matters more than a single move. Because if my continuation was wrong then a false dopamine rush becomes useless.
11:43 Lichess has its own visualization of this, and they even offer different kind of graphs too, like how much your move differs from the top engine move etc
Its crazy how much efford you put into these videos! Im pretty sure theres not a single chess youtuber with that type of high quality content! Keep it up❤
3:14 Are you sure? I looked at the traffic and it seemed like the premoves are sent just like regular moves, just with an extra flag, and one at a time when they can be made.
i may have worded it poorly. basically if you make a move on your opponents clock its a premove, if you make it on your clock its a regular move. premoves take 0.1 seconds, and regular moves almost always take longer. however if you line up multiple premoves, it doesn't matter who's clock its on because until they become regular non-premoves again, you'll only be using 0.1 seconds per move. the premove is sent to Chess.com's servers either during the 0.1 second premoves you're already making, or on your opponents clock.
I think you both must be very talented. Its taken me almost 3 years to get to 1400 (960) from 1050. I think my theoretical limit might only be 1600, even if i took training very seriously, and i think it would take several more years. Ive had 2 mates who got to 1700 from new very quickly, quicker by far than my struggle just to 1400. Talent and ability is important. @@lucienhiemsta4805
About lichess, the internet problems don’t cause issues with premoves, because of lag compensation , this means both players can premove on the same move, and the time u have to premove is ur lag+the time ur opponent spends on their move, not the time ur opponent spends on their move - lag like u stated in the video.
All you talked about are for those using pc, but people like me who uses phone might have slightly different experience, and on phone i prefer lichess user interface
At my rating level 1800 ish on lichess I didn't find cheaters to be any less common. In fact more than once lichess has banned my opponent in the middle of a game lol.
premoves are probably an acquired taste on Lichess. i feel like its super difficult to premove in time scrambles there because if your opponent makes a move whilst you're holding a piece you're forced to drop it back where it came from. this happens on Chess.com too but because Chess.com allows you to have multiple premoves it feels a lot smoother.
I would also disagree on cc layout, the board is not centralized, there exists a bug that sometimes you cannot drag the piece but it drags the whole page extremely frustrating in puzzlerush and in bullet games, I also prefere the style of lichess ui much more its easier to find ongoing tournaments like arenaking, spectate otb tournaments. its a more simplistic style that is not stacked with emoticons and colourful buttons. In addition its much easier and quicker on lichess to check your opponents profile because you dont have to load another Overlay. Another thing that i like more about lichess is that the game doesnt start instantly so you have enough time to check your opponents profile.The ui is the thing I dislike the most on cc
13:12 I kind of disagree with this point. As a 1500 elo player, I sometimes indeed get a performance rating of about 1900-2000 if the game I played really was quite good. On the other hand, if I play bad games, the performance rating actually is about 900-1100. So this really balances out and shows you, where you wold be, if all the games were played on that strength, which you will obviously not reach if you only get high accuracy games some times. I particularly like the feature, if for example both players have a high performance rating, but you lost, to show you that it is fine, because you lost because you opponent played good, and not only because of your mistakes, and on the other hand if you win a very messy game and both players have low performance ratings, you can still immediately see, that you should look into that game and learn from the many big mistakes, whereas without the performance ratings, you could just think that you played fine, since you won the game
Re: LICHESS speed - I live in New York and my ping time is only 91ms and server time is 2ms, so that issue seems more of an internet connectivity issue than a LICHESS issue.
3 years ago when i started i chose Lichess because of more pleasant interface. Nowadays i'd choose Lichess because Chesscom is controlled by US government.
Thanks for all your comments on this video!
I definitely missed a few notable features on Lichess that probably would've bumped up its rating quite a bit - but keep in mind I had only been playing Lichess for 27 hours over 30 days when this video was made. Will definitely be looking to make a more thorough, individual and in-depth review of Lichess as a whole once I've been using it for longer as I'm currently using Lichess 50% of the time and Chess.com 50% of the time. Hopefully I'll do one on Chess.com as a whole soon too.
Also Lichess being free is massive bonus points, but in terms of functionality it doesn't improve anything, its just far more (and deservedly so) accessible to the average user. Which is why I didn't take it into account when rating categories, but left it up to your own judgement on how those ratings would be adjusted as there's no easy way to quantify it.
You could have included lichess providing unlimited resources for free instead of a diamond membership.
mentioned at the end of the video 🙌🙌
@@jacksarkisian Should have been one of the important features of the review. You don't compare a paid service and a free one.
@@Jamaramlolz you are absolutely right! I have access to the unlimited stockfish game review for free and no ads
@@Jamaramlolz i don't feel like condemning Chess.com for being a business is a fair way to compare the two websites though. if i was including the fact that Chess.com is paid, then i would also have to include all of the projects Chess.com does with their revenue.
for example all of the events Chess.com hosts would have to be included, all of the great tournament commentary would be included, Chess.com's content on their UA-cam would be included, collaborations with various companies like Discord and Clash Royale, PogChamps 1 through to 5. all of these things push Chess massively and make the game as popular as it is as a direct result of Chess.com being a business and not a charity.
@@jacksarkisiandid they pay you extra for that last paragraph or was it included with the video?
Value for money:
Lichess 10/10
Chesscom 0/10
In my experience, this would only be accurate for people who only study chess, and never play it.
@@adamprescott2766 who studies chesz but never plays it....
Lichess ♾️/10
Chesscom 10/10
If you're not spending money, how is it /10? I think you're dividing by 0 here...
Lichess UI is underrated perfection.
Yes, plus it has some really cool piece sets and board colours but everyone plays on the ugly default board for some reason and then proceeds to complain about the aesthetics.
I like the default board.
Oh and another factor that some may consider important - quality of downloaded PGN game files. Things may have changed now but I swear a couple of years ago they where deliberately adding text to screw up other parsers requiring manual editing. Got sick of this as well.
It really is.
Yes, can confirm (I used a lot many chess UI, for games and work). Clearly this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. And chesscom UI is garbage (sorry chesscom but that's the truth).
On lichess you can also choose puzzles from a concrete opening of choice :)
This is indeed a really cool feature of Lichess.
yeah this is super cool, definitely a useful and unique feature as opposed to a novelty one!
I didn't know this 🤯, def gonna utilize
How?
@@nawal2956 After you play a game, click the analysis tab. At the very bottom it will offer a recommended set of puzzles related to the opening you used.
Lichess definitely has a gamegraph, both for time usage and engine eval.
I actually prefer the lichess graph, and the way that it lists the top 5 engine moves.
Perfect score UI for Chesscom is insane. At the end of the game a massive panel opens right on top of the board, obscuring it! It's so annoying to have the game obscured as soon as it finishes. Also lichess has a progress bar for the clocks, with the green bar shrinking as the time runs down, and it turns red when you get low on time. It allows you to see a direct visual comparison between the two clocks. It's true Lichess default colours are very drab, but the looks are actually much more flexible than Cc as it has hue/opacity sliders for the board colours so you can change it however you like, and you can easily use whatever background image you like just by pasting in an URL. But agree that the "chat" panel at the left is way oversized and move list is undersized. Oh well.
Yeah I've been playing on chesscom for almost a decade and still have no clue how to get anywhere. The UI is so unintuitive and confusing.
i could've gone on about the UI for much longer than i did but felt that the video would end up being too long. there are plenty more UI problems on Lichess like on the profile page. its often extremely unclear what is an interactive button and what isn't.
at the end of the day the UI shouldn't matter too much though, and apart from streaming & making videos on the platform it doesn't for me. the unclear interactivity and the mismanagement of space on Lichess is the most frustrating part for me, which i feel Chess.com does a lot better.
@@jacksarkisian For competitive (and pro) chess players, lichess UI is far more better (for many reasons I assume you didn't even notice because you use lichess only for games and stream).
The fact that you can't instantly close that panel is more annoying than the panel itself. X in the upper corner is tied to the big green button in the center and the big green button shows the progress of analyzing the game before it becomes clickable. As a consequence, X button is also disabled until then. On strong gaming PC this is hard to notice. On laptops, phones and tablets this can cause damage to devices as when you don't give a player a fast rage quit option, they have a tendency to switch focus and slam keyboards, throw mouses, phones, headphones and even use tablets like a frisbee.
2:37 that’s a misinformation. Lichess will give your time back if it’s use by your ping. (According to lichess’ description)
Yeah, that's what I thought too, Lichess as a lag compensation system
Correct. Both lichess and chesscom do this. That is why you will sometimes notice the opponents clock gaining back .1 or .2 seconds after they move
of course you'll have to take my word on this, but lag compensation on Lichess and Chess.com seems to not work properly at all at least from where i live. my ping fluctuates pretty heavily between 200-400 and even if i perfectly execute a premove on either website sometimes it just takes a weird amount of time.
i've had moments on stream playing on Chess.com where executed premoves will take 0.4 seconds instead of 0.1, and i've had times in offline Lichess games where a similar thing occurs and the time is not refunded. i'm fairly certain both platforms have a lag compensation limit, which is most likely the cause of this.
of course lag compensation is better than no lag compensation, but its not a perfect system - which is why i generally just prefer 0.1 second unlimited premoves.
From my experience, the lag compensation doesn't actually do anything significant, and the lag on lichess is so bad for me (and others who don't live close to lichess' servers) that I find the entire site unplayable for bullet and blitz. In addition, the single premove limit completely ruins any effect this compensation has, since even without including the inevitable delay in display and input, as was mentioned, the opponent premoving seems to undo this effect in most cases. In lichess this also seems very inconsistent and my time in games often jumps all over the place during low time situations.
@@user-of3pd8ve1k yeah? why can i lose up to 4-5 seconds making a premove then?
A few advantages of lichess worth noting:
- lichess is open-source allowing for 100% transparency; its devs cannot arbitrarily give an advantage/disadvantage to specific users
- lichess's cheat detection algorithms are way superior
- lichess is free
- lichess is a non-profit, and not a billion dollar corporation
- lichess doesn't pay its users to not mention or play on the other platform lol
Lichess is superfast and doesn't ask me to buy anything from them all the time.
not quite sure about the first point but else youre right
the open source part is super cool, didn't think it was important to the average persons experience though unless you really know what you're doing.
whilst i do also like that its a non-profit, i don't think you can condemn Chess.com for not being a charity. without Chess.com being a business, online Chess would be much less popular than it is. their marketing is elite and have driven millions of people to online Chess through their events.
also worth noting, Chess.com doesn't pay people to not mention or play on other platforms. i'm a Chess.com partner and i made this full video criticizing a lot of things about Chess.com and praising a lot of things on Lichess. the only restricting Chess.com has is that you can't livestream on different Chess websites if you're currently being embedded on Chess.com's homepage - thats it.
Yeah but all of them are sweats and I suck ):
@@jacksarkisian there's a difference between condemning something for not being a charity and saying "you need to pay for these features"
also, just because you are not told to not mention other platforms, doesn't mean no one is.
anyone who played on lichess knows is by far way superior in every aspect and you dont even have to pay them, truelly no match
Except for rating inflation, you can get to 2000 way easier on lichess.
@@bloodcake1337 so what. 2000 here is diff than 2000 there by like a 100 points. Big. Deal. Rating is for classification and match making.
@@TestTester-if8iiyeah
That's true
Wrong.
feels really good so far & i've only been playing for a month. don't think i'll stream there too much as most of my community on Twitch is from Chess.com, but definitely taking most of my study & offline games there.
i beleive that lichess does have a graph chart showing the ups and downs/ eval of the position
this does exist on Lichess! completely missed it as you have to request the analysis. still think I would rate Lichess and Chess.com the same in terms of analysis - but glad this feature exists.
Lichess has. When you make analysis and evaluation. It appears.
Lichess has. When you make analysis and evaluation. It appears.
@@jacksarkisian How tf did you miss it, when it's IN YOUR VIDEO at 21:12
Wow it doesnt really seem like you tried your best at a fair comparison lol @@jacksarkisian
1. The lichess UI is clearly superior, when I play chess I don’t want all sorts of flashing colours like at a casino. Such an aesthetic might attract noobs, but I don’t appreciate it.
2. Lichesses premoves are better. At a 2600+ bullet player I can confidently say, I’ve had games where I’ve made 10+ moves in under 0,1 seconds.
🤔🤔🤔
How can write something like this and not read how pretentious it sounds?
@@drunkenknightit sounds completely normal and true
I myself love Lichess but the first one is just personal preference, and the second one is heavily reliant on ping as he mentioned in the video, which is not good.
LOLOOL Lichess fanboys coming out all over the comments section.
Get a job, you will figure out quickly which one is better.
Lichess also lets you practice puzzles with positions that came from specific openings, so the puzzles are actually patterns you see in game more often as opposed to a random puzzle
really like this feature, only found it after making this video. has really helped me refine my openings (especially since I've changed them recently)
lichess is for me the best side in the entire internet. no ads, free for all, impessive performance, open source and and and
The part on lichess premoves is wrong, lichess adjusts the clock depending on your ping.
no it doesnt
Lichess puzzles allow you (more often than not) to look at the game the puzzle came from.
Yes, lichess makes puzzles from user's games!
Very good analysis. You seem quite objective and I can understand your reasoning.
I strongly disagree on the UI rating. I would give Lichess 9/10 and Chesscom 2/10.
For me, the UI of Chesscom is overwhelming and cluttered.
When you go to the front page of Chesscom, you see a bunch of ads to classes and courses and whatever.
Took me quite a bit of time to figure out how to start playing.
On Lichess, you see right away the time controls, you click, you play.
I also prefer the positioning of the clocks on Lichess as I don't need to move my eyes up and down to see both clocks.
I think in general, Chesscom is designed to guide beginners and Lichess is designed to just play.
True. For me, the board colors and pieces aren't dull. They're much more readable and resemble those in chess books, which helps me feel more focused when playing.
Yeah, you know nothing about UI.
What about Lichess being totally free?!
Chesscom wiped the floor with Lichess UI?????????? What planet are you living on? Lichess is minimalistic, crisp, and super responsive.
Amen, this guy is a shill
@@Five-Star-Generalyep. I’ve literally never seen anyone say Lichess wasn’t vastly superior except for literal streamer shills
Plus one is open source while another is a shameless money grab that pads paid membership with useless crap
It’s purpose is to extract money from room temp IQ people that chess streamers and big chess people funnel into via their sponsorship
Disgusting
Bro doesnt know what an opinion is
@@pyropulseIXXIit is pretty gross they try to make it more appealing to new players, chess should be a game exclusive to full-time Reddit users.
Yeah this guy is off his rocker. Lichess is so much more intuitive. I'll give you an example. Say you want to change the board and pieces. In chesscom, you have to go to settings, change the pieces, click save, go to a puzzle or a game to test it out and then go back to the settings screen if you don't like it. In lichess you can change everything on the fly without leaving the board or game. Takes only a couple clicks and a couple seconds. Little features like this are everywhere.
23:52 and why didn't you score for BOTH a free experience and a diamond membership?
another great thing about lichess analysis that it doesn't always open a new tab when you click on analysis and game review
11:38 Lichess also has a progress bar. If you request a computer analysis, a progress bar will appear.
missed this! wish the game chat & game review features swapped places - feels like a super strange use of space which i mentioned in the UI section.
@@jacksarkisian oh, I've always thought that the game review feature isn't superior (if we even consider it better) than computer review on lichess. however, the UI of lichess makes it hard to find out about all the features they have 😁
@@jacksarkisian you get used to it, it feels very natural to me
11:40 lichess has the progress bar if you click "request computer analysis" at the bottom of the page where you view the game
just realized you have 16 other comments telling you, sorry to waste your time
there are also extensions that do it automatically for you if it annoys you to have to press it.
Lichess is free, UI is cleaner, you can make studies, less cheaters. End of discussion.
I only play on phone and tablet. Lichess has a clean uncluttered look and feel, is free, works well on my sketchy internet, no ads, free puzzles, lots of 960 players.
Its not only better by far, its FREE AND better by far.
Why not do some lichess streams on youtube and play your youtube lichess playing subs here ?
There is an accuracy for your moves when performing a computer analysis on lichess
Lichess just...*feels* better. I can't quite explain it. The UI, maybe?
its minimilistic master piece
As a beginner, there are two things I really enjoy about Lichess: Maia bots and not starting the engine by default when going to the analysis mode.
24:00 "....would never compare favourably if we considered a non-paying membership" That says it all.
yes, and in my opinion, this statement would have been better made in the first minute of the video versus the last minute.
@@milehighslacker4196it would have been, but he was as fair as he could get. I see a lot of people mad at him for not putting lichess higher when he literally says lichess is better.
If you consider that lichess is a 2-people company (1 programmer) that put things in prospective
Lichess is vastly superior, so it puts things in perspective that vomit green is a disgusting and sh*t website while just two guys is booting all over them
It's not even a company. It's a non-profit ran by donations.
Can't have perspective when he starts lying on the first sentence. Look how long he had his jacksarkisian1 & jacksarkisian accounts on lichess and you'd understand he's talking nonsense bs and lies.
Last thing is puzzle racer is a super fun puzzle feature. Chesscom has puzzle battle but that is 1v1 where as puzzle racer can have upto 10 ppl in the lobby. If chesscom had a puzzle rush/battle with upto 10 people that would be sick
Lichess is open source not a primarily income stream generating conglomerate.
Anything else is secondary.
Lichess UI deserves clearly more than 6/10
I know, how fixing absurd
for me 6/10 was really generous 😂 I would give it 3 or 4 max
@@prplt 3-4 is really generous. But our vlogger didn't consider the possibility of negative numbers.
You don't compare a paid service and a free one. Lichess is so much better in that aspect
Why don't you compare them, they are the two biggest chess websites.
Why not? Have your parents ever cooked for you? Mine do, and we constantly compare their food to restaurant food.
How is it different?
funny how u missed both game accuracy and progress bar on licjess
Fairplay is most important for me. Lichess.
23:00 lichess UI is great
For me
It is user friendly but not beginner-friendly
The chessboard MUST be in the center 🤣🤣
The Lichess UI is way superior in my opinion once you get used to it, but I must admit it was intimidating when I saw it for the first time.
I really like Chesscom, but Lichess' sounds are beautiful.
The point on premoves isn't strictly correct for Lichess. They permit multiple premoves, but only in correspondence games. I see it more as a design choice.
Just to add, there are other corrections that can be made but I hope you are not disheartened from sharing what you clearly put forth as subjective experiences.
One more fun fact as I was an early adopted of Lichess - the site actually invented the Arena format. CC adopted it later but chose not to implement Berserk mode.
@@johnanthActually, I played on a website called chesscube before lichess was a thing. I played the Arena format there.
My scores out of 10 for each catagory as a non paying player.
Gameplay : C 4/10 Li 9/10
Analysis C ?/10 Li 9/10
Puzzles C 1/10 Li 8/10 ( limited pool of puzzles )
UI C 3/10 Li 9.5/10 ( no adds and Chesscom is garish and cartoony and cluttered and i dont intuitivley understand how the site works, whereas Li is clean and intuitive and easy to work out how to do things.
Thank you for the video. As a European there seems to be very little reason for me to choose chesscom over Lichess especially with the additional information from the comments. Will definitely give it a try now.
lichess has lagg compensation it shouldnt matter if you have a ping of 350 ms usually the lagg compensation even give players with a ping of 90-120 a very very slight advantage
lichess puzzles are free too right
oh u said it at the end
@@GR4B0VZKYHello holy beauty
Lichess is free period all of it free of charge come get some
10:10 that part is wrong, you can enable the threats (parameters/interface and there is a switch for showing threats) so it exists on both sites
yeah this feels slightly lackluster to me though. Chess.com only shows obvious material threats, whilst Lichess shows positional threats too (every single move Lichess shows a threat). maybe Chess.com's feature would be useful to beginner players, but anyone over 1200 is probably seeing those material threats within seconds anyway.
I've felt, especially since I've played a lot on both (10+ years chesscom and 2 years or so on Lichess)
Chesscom is for playing chess and Lichess is for learning chess. So depending on your focus, one may be better than the other
1:51 Aussie skill issue
lichess also has lag comp so that doesn't really matter. Occasionally I premove every move and their time stays the exact same
*sad Australian noises*
There’s a few programs for hooking into lichess api to bring custom engines into the UI. Any UCI compatible engine can work on Lichess.
yeah the great thing about Lichess is how its open source. lots of cool innovations can be done there that aren't really possible on Chess.com (wintrcat has some cool videos highlighting this). although i don't think the difference in engines matters too much when reviewing games its just a cool extra.
Which is exactly what an average chess kid does. Connects UCI compatible chess engine through application programming interface.
@@jacksarkisian it's not so much the engine difference that matters, so much as the ability to allocate more threads / RAM beyond the defaults, and to get faster / more accurate results.
Lichess is mostly free and dont need premium pass to analyze a match
I'm not sure but I've never lost time premoving on lichess with my average 230 ms, or maybe I ve just never noticed
you won't lose time premoving if its on your opponents clock, but the issue is if you're opponent has counter-premoved you, you can't premove on their clock and you're just playing a regular move. if this happens, you can't line up multiple premoves at all on Lichess (especially paired with the fact that if you're holding a piece whilst your opponent moves, Lichess forces you to drop it on its original square).
@@jacksarkisian it's much closer to reality, where you have to actually move the piece when it is your turn (at least 50% of the time).
Great review from a seasoned player! Very useful.
You gave the UI +4 the less important thing that's not fair at all
3:33 not correct: each dot on Lichess shows how many players there are in this particular rating range, for instance around 2250 there are 1066 players and around 2300 there will be around 900 players and so on, so you should add those numbers. To simply show the math, in Blitz Weekly there are currently 722K players, it shows that I'm better than 97%, it shows that at 2200 rating there are about 4000 players, at 2225 about 3120 players and so on. So if you take 3% out of 722K = it's 21K players. So, after 2200 there are around 21K players, not 4000.
the timestamp you mentioned has a correction of exactly what you mentioned. although admittedly i just eyeballed it (there's around 3,700 players higher rated than me in Rapid on Lichess, not 2,700).
This was helpful as someone that’s never used lichess, great video !
Lichess is much better
11:37 Lichess also has a Progress bar. When you let the engine go over a game, you can click on the 'Computer Analysis' Tab and there it is
Great video, man
Sync in studies can be disabled when creating a study. Nice video!
very good video...
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Lichess' UI looks very nice imo. Once you get used to it and know where all the tools and features lie it becomes very comfy to navigate.
There are no syncing issues on lichess, there is a button on the bottom of the page where you can turn synchronisation off and on
Please make a video on how can we improve our OTB play ? For instance, I'm 2100 online but easily lose to 12 or 1300s OTB . My vision becomes absolutely zero on a real chess board.
I dont know if you had a chance to notice this, but as a lichess main an issue I have with the computer analysis is moves getting unnecessarily given blunders. This is mainly for when you're already stuck in a forced checkmate sequence and you're given a "blunder" because you made a move that leads to mate in 2 instead of another move that....still leads to mate in 2. Hoping they fix this bug.
P.S The lack of a brilliant move feature doesnt bother me as much as it used to, as long as the engine doesnt tell me my sacrifice wasnt a blunder or an innacuracy, and then from there I found a strong continuation that kept the advantage, it basically becomes subjective whether my game was "beautiful" or not, which is what matters more than a single move. Because if my continuation was wrong then a false dopamine rush becomes useless.
if there are 2 possible mates in 2, then the less humiliating continuation is considered a blunder by stockfish
Great review and info.
11:43 Lichess has its own visualization of this, and they even offer different kind of graphs too, like how much your move differs from the top engine move etc
Try to mention the best feature on the beginning instead of the end: lichess is FREE for all
lichess is a triumph of chess, anarchic praxis, compute freedom, i mean whats not to love. its a beautiful thing.
Interesting video agree with all points but still like lichess for their humbleness.❤love you keep going 😊Vamos.
Its crazy how much efford you put into these videos! Im pretty sure theres not a single chess youtuber with that type of high quality content! Keep it up❤
You guys want good calculative puzzles that combine positional and tactical understanding? Chesstempo
Awesome video!
3:14 Are you sure? I looked at the traffic and it seemed like the premoves are sent just like regular moves, just with an extra flag, and one at a time when they can be made.
i may have worded it poorly. basically if you make a move on your opponents clock its a premove, if you make it on your clock its a regular move. premoves take 0.1 seconds, and regular moves almost always take longer.
however if you line up multiple premoves, it doesn't matter who's clock its on because until they become regular non-premoves again, you'll only be using 0.1 seconds per move. the premove is sent to Chess.com's servers either during the 0.1 second premoves you're already making, or on your opponents clock.
Great video... good to see a beast Australian chess channel... ❤ Byron Bay
Are you saying you got to 2300 elo in 3 years? If so… thats quite impressive
That's normal. I got to 2200 in 2 years (from 1100, my starting point) and 2200 to 2300 took me a year.
I think you both must be very talented. Its taken me almost 3 years to get to 1400 (960) from 1050.
I think my theoretical limit might only be 1600, even if i took training very seriously, and i think it would take several more years.
Ive had 2 mates who got to 1700 from new very quickly, quicker by far than my struggle just to 1400.
Talent and ability is important.
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@lucienhiemsta4805 no it's not. That's 2000 FIDE strength
@@lucienhiemsta4805that’s not normal, sorry
About lichess, the internet problems don’t cause issues with premoves, because of lag compensation , this means both players can premove on the same move, and the time u have to premove is ur lag+the time ur opponent spends on their move, not the time ur opponent spends on their move - lag like u stated in the video.
All you talked about are for those using pc, but people like me who uses phone might have slightly different experience, and on phone i prefer lichess user interface
At my rating level 1800 ish on lichess I didn't find cheaters to be any less common. In fact more than once lichess has banned my opponent in the middle of a game lol.
I only disagree about the UI and Premoves, very fair review overall though 👍
premoves are probably an acquired taste on Lichess. i feel like its super difficult to premove in time scrambles there because if your opponent makes a move whilst you're holding a piece you're forced to drop it back where it came from. this happens on Chess.com too but because Chess.com allows you to have multiple premoves it feels a lot smoother.
The biggest betrayal in history, bigger than campbell, batshuayi, figo
11:50 Lichess has it, in your game in Analysis click Request computer analysis
2:00 lichess gives back to you the delay you have, is not consuming it
Thought I had already subbed but guess not. Liked and subbed now though!
appreciate you bro ❤️❤️
I would also disagree on cc layout, the board is not centralized, there exists a bug that sometimes you cannot drag the piece but it drags the whole page extremely frustrating in puzzlerush and in bullet games, I also prefere the style of lichess ui much more its easier to find ongoing tournaments like arenaking, spectate otb tournaments. its a more simplistic style that is not stacked with emoticons and colourful buttons. In addition its much easier and quicker on lichess to check your opponents profile because you dont have to load another Overlay. Another thing that i like more about lichess is that the game doesnt start instantly so you have enough time to check your opponents profile.The ui is the thing I dislike the most on cc
On Lichess there is something called "Lag compensation". When your lagging you get some time refunded. Premoving is better on lichess :)
It's fantastic that Lars Ulrich is now playing chess instead of drums. Trully outstanding improvement!
I see puzzles repeating often at my level on lichess.
That might be intentional as it's trying to make sure you understand the puzzle or concept. I read about it somewhere.
5:22 uploated
i didn't think anyone would notice this 😭😭
@@jacksarkisian haha yeah. great video though
The thumbnail is the most "what did you just fucking say to me?" Face ever
Lichess Puzzles always have one solution (except for the final mating move)
13:12 I kind of disagree with this point. As a 1500 elo player, I sometimes indeed get a performance rating of about 1900-2000 if the game I played really was quite good. On the other hand, if I play bad games, the performance rating actually is about 900-1100. So this really balances out and shows you, where you wold be, if all the games were played on that strength, which you will obviously not reach if you only get high accuracy games some times. I particularly like the feature, if for example both players have a high performance rating, but you lost, to show you that it is fine, because you lost because you opponent played good, and not only because of your mistakes, and on the other hand if you win a very messy game and both players have low performance ratings, you can still immediately see, that you should look into that game and learn from the many big mistakes, whereas without the performance ratings, you could just think that you played fine, since you won the game
Good vid. Thumbs up.
btw lichess analysis has different analysis tabs so you can see the full computer analysis chart as well
Lichess has a toki pona theme, which is an instant sweep!
I dont get the move accuracy thing. Lichess gives yoi centipawns lost. Same thing
It also has an accuracy %. It has both. You can’t even miss this stuff unless you are deliberately shilling against it
11:48 Lichess has this, it's just slightly hard to find. you can also find your centipawn loss as well
Is that the lil Peep everybody‘s everything album in the background?
hahahah yeah, i've been meaning to get more of them but never gotten around to it
Re: LICHESS speed - I live in New York and my ping time is only 91ms and server time is 2ms, so that issue seems more of an internet connectivity issue than a LICHESS issue.
Comment keeps getting deleted but I disagree on UI
3 years ago when i started i chose Lichess because of more pleasant interface. Nowadays i'd choose Lichess because Chesscom is controlled by US government.
Can you do a video on how to use lichess study features? I find it confusing
11:40 Lichess actually does have a progress bar, you just need to click the analysis button when analyzing the game