Offside: was abolished early/mid ‘90s (for a while before that it applied only in the 23). Roll-ins: I was not aware any throw was allowed and I don’t believe it was common to use a football-style throw-in; until about 1970 a ball over the sideline was returned with a “roll-in”. “Catch”: Actually this was more that the ball was “trapped with the hand” but it had to go to ground immediately (my 87-year-old father did the action for me!) - note this rule was abandoned around the 1960s but still applies in ice hockey. Forcing: One profound difference when I played was that if you played the ball onto an opponent’s foot deliberately, *you* had committed an offence (not totally unlike indoor hockey’s “forcing” rule).
Actually, I recently came across a video of some EuroHockey Club Champions Cup final from somewhere in the 80s where they were still allowed to catch scoops with their hands (found it back): ua-cam.com/video/nvD-vtQAo34/v-deo.html
I played with Offsides for 2 years in HS!! I do remember the 1 meter pass for a quick lift, we couldn't catch the ball but could deflect the ball down with our hand off a lift. Long corners and hitting directly into the circle were a lot of strategy planning!!! I miss hitting right into the circle for a quick tip in for a goal but totally understand why it changed with the new tech of our sticks.I knew about roll-ins, not throw ins, our college coach made us play with old rules a few times at practice :-) I used a hand stick stop in indoor, but the advancing into the circle on a corner is insane! AND had no idea all 11 people were on the endline for defensive corners!!! CRAZY!!! Love this video -- going to show it to my HS team I am coaching
I think it was a little longer than that - I played 25 years ago (aaahh!!) and you couldn't catch it (or "slap it down" to be more precise about what it actually was). I do know you stopped a "short corner" with your hand until into the 1980s, though; when I played 25 years there was a requirement to stop a "short corner" dead before you could shoot; then it was as per the video (i.e. you could stop it anywhere - cf Spain ladies' winning goal in the 1992 Olympics).
I'm definitely not a grandma but I do remember playing with all of those rules in my day. It's making my first year as a coach tough. LOL My team still can't believe we used to be able to catch the ball.
some of these rules are still in effect in the US! I played field hockey in high school and i remember long corners, and not being able to bring the stick above the shoulders.
I just started playing social hockey after 25 years. The rules and the game are waaaaay different. The change to the obstruction rule is big. There doesn't seem to be any now.
‘Catch the ball’ Rule was prevalent during 1950s and 60s ... the time my father was a student in university (here in India) He tells me that this rule was generally not very well known in India, but people learnt it from the Dutch and German teams who came visiting.
Actually the 5m mark on the sideline is to mark where the player took a side hit when the ball went out closer to the corner, the corner hit was from the "corner" then it was moved out to the 5m mark and the side ball was taken from where the ball went out
Nine. It was not frightening to have a direct pass into the circle because it was prohibited to raised the ball into the circle. The raised penalty corner hit was scary. The ban on the direct playing of the ball into the circle wss introduced yesterday (2009) and is a silly Rule because it has no counterpart in open play. No one suggests that hitting the ball into the circle in open play is dangerous (even when it is raised so we get forget lifted-think danger and dangerous is judged on evasive action)
I like the specific point at the start of the video where they say it's 2018 - because if there's one sure thing about hockey, it is that the rules will change again!
You have left out raising the stick above the shoulder. The rule was established by Teddington Hockey Club, who first laid down the modern rules. In 1874 at an AGM they ruled that “Rule 10 be amended to read ‘that no stick shall be raised above the shoulder’”. This was subsequently incorporated into the HA (Hockey Association) Rules and then the FIH rules. It was dropped by the FIH in 2015. Be thankful that the Blackheath HC rules were not taken up. If a foul was committed you were allowed to ‘shin’ your opponent. Basically, hit them across their shins with your stick!
I am not sure if this was just a US rule, but I remember when an attacking player could cause obstruction by hitting the ball just to the left of the defenders foot and then running to right of the defender. I am glad they got rid of it because it was lazy. lol (i hope that makes sense the way I explained it)
Five. Not only could the attackers step into the circle they were required to stop the ball within the circle and could use their hand to make the stop. Prior to that (before my time) attackers were permitted to trap the ball with their foot before hitting it towards the goal.
I remember a rule where the ball was not allowed to be lifted over the D line..... Not sure if I'm correct on that one though..... So you you could chip over a stick anywhere except on the edge of the D
Die laatste regel is nu nog altijd onder U19.. hoge ballen mogen niet gestopt worden boven schouders onder U19😑 U19+ mag nu wel .. amai veel nieuwe regels geweten over oude hockey tijd😮😮 da was echt plezante video😉 keep it up👍🏽 love your videos from Belgium🇧🇪
Attacking free hit less than 5 metres outside the D had to be brought back to 5 metres outside the D. Hence the broken line. Not too long ago (< 5 years).
Yes, I think there was a brief period - between when I played and now (when I umpire) - that you had to move it back to five metres outside the D. The five-metre marks didn't exist when I played (and arguably no longer need to now, although I find them useful as an umpire).
Seven. Okay so you adjusted six. Correct no height limit on any shot at the goal anytime - but the dangerous play Rule was better enforced and shooters tried to avoid hitting defenders - which would be a novelty in the modern game where 'winning' a penalty is considered a skill.
Nope: no way the ball could be caught in the air and put on the ground. A flicked ball coud be intercepted with a catch but the ball had to be released immediately and fall perpendicularly to ground. Player were also permitted to defend themselves with the hand if a ball was raised towards them.
I thought off-side only applied inside the defensive 25? Never had the throw in. There used to be no turning your back. You weren't allowed to raise the ball into the Dee. Otherwise, keep up the good work guys.
Well the third rule I think it is, is not actually correct lol. You were allowed to catch the ball while someone did a scoop but it was not allowed to really catch/grap it out of the air. You could only stop it with a flat hand and that way it dropped to the ground.
The goalkeeper is older than the rest of you, so maybe he remembers the Forcing Rule - and how badly it was applied. The side-line ball was never put back in play as in soccer, it has to be introduced underarm and be rolling along the ground within one yard. Catch and drop, not catch and put. Last seen in the early to mid 1970's and mainly used in self defence. Long corner, whole team back, yes, but defenders were able to position in the goal 1960s. Long corners used to be taken within one yard of the corner, also gone before the 1980s. You obviously do not know about the clip or chip hit, a hit of the ball used to sent it high in the air from a 16 yard hit to fall into the opponent's circle. Removed before the 1990s, replaced with a total ban on the intentionally raised hit not a shot at the opponent's goal (a very silly Rule). I predict that players will soon be rolling with laughter at some of the Rules in place now - for example, the requirement to move a ball five meters from a free ball awarded in the 23m area before it may be played into the circle. I am sure you will be able to think of others now in place that are equally ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous in modern hockey is the number of Rules which are extant, but which are virtually ignored or applied in a way that bears no resemblance to the way they are written. Go look at the ball-body contact Rule 9.11 and the Obstruction Rule 9.12 and the Rules about a dangerously played ball, particularly 9.9 and 13.3.m. Prepare to be amazed.
There are a lot of other Rules we had an Obstruction Rule for example - the revised version (1993) of that Rule is in the current rule book but not much notice is taken of it. Offside by the way was not like it now is in soccer. When I started playing and up until the early 1970's a player could be off-side if his team had possession of the ball and there were less than three defenders between him and the opponent's goal. It is a great pity that there is no Rule Archive provided on the FIH website - but then we would know how many times the FIH has gone one way and then the opposite way and then back again with daft Rule amendments. martinzigzag.com for my Rules blog
Very old rules : Don't have the right to turn on yourself and show your back to the defender and another one don't have the right to do a dribble on your right and shoot just after (for protecting the defender). Sorry if it's not clear (french guy) and please continue your nice videos ;)
You're right - obstruction has definitely changed since I played, and become less strict. There was also (I think briefly) a specific rule where two players from one team could not challenge one player for the ball at the same time - in theory that is now allowed (although very often will result in obstruction).
They also replaced penalty stroke with 1 on 1 shoot out as a tie breaker now right!? Also now there is flying goalie, where you can remove the goalie and add a player and the player has kicking privileges inside the D!?
Actually we have implemented the 1on1 shoot-out across Ireland, except for schools. It is much better, although harder to umpire (as you really need an extra time-keeper). And yes, you can replace the GK with a "player with goalkeeping privileges" (usually referred to as "kicking back"), though I've only seen that done once.
Wow. No way the ball was put back into play with a throw-in th same as is done in soccer. The ball was rolled along the ground with an action similar to that seen in bowling.
I have a qeustion for dennis ... I have always been wondering about this.. What if your in the goal box and you save a ball, but you pick it up and run to the other goal box and you throw the ball in, is it a goal? Is a goalie allowed to do that? I always say to my team mates that my dream is to score a goal like that!!😁😁 (Sorry if I spelled everything wrong, english not my first language so I can't spell that good in english)😂😂
You had to ... stop the ball outside the D on a PC before it could be taken in for a shot. You had to ... a defender could raise the stick above the shoulder ONLY on a shot on goal (but not swing) You had to ... walk the ball up 10 yards on a (green card now) small infringement. Umpire signalled with a closed fist held high.
I remember the long corner at the sideline does that make me old :)
We all remembered that one as well. Does that make us old😲
Hockey Heroes TV older than me as i don’t really played with these except 7.
the good old days when the ball was pushed under the keeper and you just whacked him silly and ended up with a penalty stroke
Ha ha and it was not mandatory to wear a helmet
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Offside: was abolished early/mid ‘90s (for a while before that it applied only in the 23).
Roll-ins: I was not aware any throw was allowed and I don’t believe it was common to use a football-style throw-in; until about 1970 a ball over the sideline was returned with a “roll-in”.
“Catch”: Actually this was more that the ball was “trapped with the hand” but it had to go to ground immediately (my 87-year-old father did the action for me!) - note this rule was abandoned around the 1960s but still applies in ice hockey.
Forcing: One profound difference when I played was that if you played the ball onto an opponent’s foot deliberately, *you* had committed an offence (not totally unlike indoor hockey’s “forcing” rule).
Thank you So much! 💪🏼🏑👍🏼
A throw in like the one shown has never been allowed in hockey. A roll in along the floor was .
Actually, I recently came across a video of some EuroHockey Club Champions Cup final from somewhere in the 80s where they were still allowed to catch scoops with their hands (found it back):
ua-cam.com/video/nvD-vtQAo34/v-deo.html
I played with Offsides for 2 years in HS!! I do remember the 1 meter pass for a quick lift, we couldn't catch the ball but could deflect the ball down with our hand off a lift. Long corners and hitting directly into the circle were a lot of strategy planning!!! I miss hitting right into the circle for a quick tip in for a goal but totally understand why it changed with the new tech of our sticks.I knew about roll-ins, not throw ins, our college coach made us play with old rules a few times at practice :-) I used a hand stick stop in indoor, but the advancing into the circle on a corner is insane! AND had no idea all 11 people were on the endline for defensive corners!!! CRAZY!!! Love this video -- going to show it to my HS team I am coaching
Didn't the game used to start with a "Bully Off" (opponents crossing sticks) , rather than a "Push Back" ?
tectorama with women hockey. A long time ago
And men's when I started .
Like a faceoff in ice hockey
My dad played catching the ball. It was only 25yrs ago roughly
Cool! Thanks for the info!💪🏼🏑👍🏼
I think it was a little longer than that - I played 25 years ago (aaahh!!) and you couldn't catch it (or "slap it down" to be more precise about what it actually was). I do know you stopped a "short corner" with your hand until into the 1980s, though; when I played 25 years there was a requirement to stop a "short corner" dead before you could shoot; then it was as per the video (i.e. you could stop it anywhere - cf Spain ladies' winning goal in the 1992 Olympics).
Ian Parsley that's good to know
Not catching, but it was allowed to stop a ball with the hand. We did it with a penalty corner.
I'm definitely not a grandma but I do remember playing with all of those rules in my day. It's making my first year as a coach tough. LOL My team still can't believe we used to be able to catch the ball.
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some of these rules are still in effect in the US! I played field hockey in high school and i remember long corners, and not being able to bring the stick above the shoulders.
Played in 1970s with no turning. Came back in 2016 - different game. It's much faster and skillfull.
Surprised that they didn't bring that one up.....
I just started playing social hockey after 25 years. The rules and the game are waaaaay different. The change to the obstruction rule is big. There doesn't seem to be any now.
I really loved it!
‘Catch the ball’ Rule was prevalent during 1950s and 60s ... the time my father was a student in university (here in India)
He tells me that this rule was generally not very well known in India, but people learnt it from the Dutch and German teams who came visiting.
Cool!
Seven. The long corner was taken from a mark one yard from the corner flag (remember corner flags and 25 yard flags) not 5m from the corner.
Cool. That one we did not knew
Actually the 5m mark on the sideline is to mark where the player took a side hit when the ball went out closer to the corner, the corner hit was from the "corner" then it was moved out to the 5m mark and the side ball was taken from where the ball went out
When I started in the 60's you were not allowed to raise the stick above shoulder height on any hits! (Really enjoy your videos too)
Cool!
Can you do a do over with the rules off 2022
I remember of the D-top scene in my stadium
Sideline long corner and receiving the bal above shoulder height was taken away in 2015
Nine. It was not frightening to have a direct pass into the circle because it was prohibited to raised the ball into the circle. The raised penalty corner hit was scary. The ban on the direct playing of the ball into the circle wss introduced yesterday (2009) and is a silly Rule because it has no counterpart in open play. No one suggests that hitting the ball into the circle in open play is dangerous (even when it is raised so we get forget lifted-think danger and dangerous is judged on evasive action)
An sowohl (strengeres) "Sperren" durch z. B. einfaches Rückenzuwenden als auch den "gemeinsamen" Anstoss kann ich mich auch noch erinnern.
my coach told me it wasn't a throw in but a ROLL in and she would try to fake the defense out with her arm/rolling moves :-)
That is cool keep on with the cool vidoe
nu voel ik me echt oud ik hou echt van jullie
Lots of things I did not know were things that could happen man some rules have changed
I like the specific point at the start of the video where they say it's 2018 - because if there's one sure thing about hockey, it is that the rules will change again!
Can you still run with the ball on the end of the stick (juggling)?
No that’s not allowed
How about:
Wokkel
Chip
One step at penalty stroke
Ans still seen a lot on the fields: 3x at the bully
Yeah! We forgot those!👍🏼🏑💪🏼
My ancestors told me about catching the ball.. 😂 You forgot the bully at start of game.
Jullie groeien zo hard! Het is niet normaal! PS: kunnen jullie een video maken over verdedigen; ben zelf verdediger😀👊🏻
Komt eraan. We hebben ook al onze channel verdedig video 👍🏼🏑💪🏼
You have left out raising the stick above the shoulder. The rule was established by Teddington Hockey Club, who first laid down the modern rules. In 1874 at an AGM they ruled that “Rule 10 be amended to read ‘that no stick shall be raised above the shoulder’”. This was subsequently incorporated into the HA (Hockey Association) Rules and then the FIH rules. It was dropped by the FIH in 2015. Be thankful that the Blackheath HC rules were not taken up. If a foul was committed you were allowed to ‘shin’ your opponent. Basically, hit them across their shins with your stick!
Hmmm But we did mentioned the rule... did you watched the video entirely?
I am not sure if this was just a US rule, but I remember when an attacking player could cause obstruction by hitting the ball just to the left of the defenders foot and then running to right of the defender. I am glad they got rid of it because it was lazy. lol (i hope that makes sense the way I explained it)
Five. Not only could the attackers step into the circle they were required to stop the ball within the circle and could use their hand to make the stop. Prior to that (before my time) attackers were permitted to trap the ball with their foot before hitting it towards the goal.
Yep. Ball had to be at a dead stop....
I also play hockey 🏒 love from India 🇮🇳
I remember a rule where the ball was not allowed to be lifted over the D line..... Not sure if I'm correct on that one though..... So you you could chip over a stick anywhere except on the edge of the D
Must be very long ago
Die laatste regel is nu nog altijd onder U19.. hoge ballen mogen niet gestopt worden boven schouders onder U19😑 U19+ mag nu wel .. amai veel nieuwe regels geweten over oude hockey tijd😮😮 da was echt plezante video😉 keep it up👍🏽 love your videos from Belgium🇧🇪
er zijn nu ook nieuwe regels bc dat je 5 meter afstand moet houden met schieten. ook in de cirkel
Best Rule in hockey 1998 to 2006
Long corners used to be a hot mess. How many defense can we squeeze within two meters of the end line? Let’s see.
I enjoyed hitting mud and sand at the goalie prior to playing on turf
Attacking free hit less than 5 metres outside the D had to be brought back to 5 metres outside the D. Hence the broken line. Not too long ago (< 5 years).
Even before that, it did not necessarily need to be placed 5 meters outside the D.
Yes, I think there was a brief period - between when I played and now (when I umpire) - that you had to move it back to five metres outside the D. The five-metre marks didn't exist when I played (and arguably no longer need to now, although I find them useful as an umpire).
Seven. Okay so you adjusted six. Correct no height limit on any shot at the goal anytime - but the dangerous play Rule was better enforced and shooters tried to avoid hitting defenders - which would be a novelty in the modern game where 'winning' a penalty is considered a skill.
4. No. All eleven players were behind the baseline but players were also permitted to position in the goal.
That rule has been eventually changed into that but there was a time they were not allowed in the goal.
Okay maybe I started too late in the mid 1950's.
bring back #9 I reckon
Nope: no way the ball could be caught in the air and put on the ground. A flicked ball coud be intercepted with a catch but the ball had to be released immediately and fall perpendicularly to ground. Player were also permitted to defend themselves with the hand if a ball was raised towards them.
Again thanks for the info. We had it almost right.
I may be wrong but I think a few years ago you could score outside of the D
No
I thought off-side only applied inside the defensive 25?
Never had the throw in.
There used to be no turning your back.
You weren't allowed to raise the ball into the Dee. Otherwise, keep up the good work guys.
Cool! Did not knew those rules. Thanks!
Yes, when I began playing it only applied inside the final quarter (although my coaches recalled when it was the entire half, as with soccer).
Goalkeepers couldn't push the ball they could only block it.
Was that a rule or was it because of the padding?
@@jannickbreunis It was a rule, it was considered dangerous to push it.
Well the third rule I think it is, is not actually correct lol.
You were allowed to catch the ball while someone did a scoop but it was not allowed to really catch/grap it out of the air. You could only stop it with a flat hand and that way it dropped to the ground.
2018
Sratch that 2019
The goalkeeper is older than the rest of you, so maybe he remembers the Forcing Rule - and how badly it was applied.
The side-line ball was never put back in play as in soccer, it has to be introduced underarm and be rolling along the ground within one yard.
Catch and drop, not catch and put. Last seen in the early to mid 1970's and mainly used in self defence.
Long corner, whole team back, yes, but defenders were able to position in the goal 1960s.
Long corners used to be taken within one yard of the corner, also gone before the 1980s.
You obviously do not know about the clip or chip hit, a hit of the ball used to sent it high in the air from a 16 yard hit to fall into the opponent's circle. Removed before the 1990s, replaced with a total ban on the intentionally raised hit not a shot at the opponent's goal (a very silly Rule).
I predict that players will soon be rolling with laughter at some of the Rules in place now - for example, the requirement to move a ball five meters from a free ball awarded in the 23m area before it may be played into the circle.
I am sure you will be able to think of others now in place that are equally ridiculous.
What is even more ridiculous in modern hockey is the number of Rules which are extant, but which are virtually ignored or applied in a way that bears no resemblance to the way they are written. Go look at the ball-body contact Rule 9.11 and the Obstruction Rule 9.12 and the Rules about a dangerously played ball, particularly 9.9 and 13.3.m. Prepare to be amazed.
They should do away with the offside rule in football as well, it would help the
game flow and stop a lot of arguments.
There are a lot of other Rules we had an Obstruction Rule for example - the revised version (1993) of that Rule is in the current rule book but not much notice is taken of it.
Offside by the way was not like it now is in soccer. When I started playing and up until the early 1970's a player could be off-side if his team had possession of the ball and there were less than three defenders between him and the opponent's goal. It is a great pity that there is no Rule Archive provided on the FIH website - but then we would know how many times the FIH has gone one way and then the opposite way and then back again with daft Rule amendments. martinzigzag.com for my Rules blog
Very cool! Thank for sending your blog!
Very old rules : Don't have the right to turn on yourself and show your back to the defender and another one don't have the right to do a dribble on your right and shoot just after (for protecting the defender). Sorry if it's not clear (french guy) and please continue your nice videos ;)
You're right - obstruction has definitely changed since I played, and become less strict. There was also (I think briefly) a specific rule where two players from one team could not challenge one player for the ball at the same time - in theory that is now allowed (although very often will result in obstruction).
Ik kijk het in 2019😂🤪🤣
They also replaced penalty stroke with 1 on 1 shoot out as a tie breaker now right!? Also now there is flying goalie, where you can remove the goalie and add a player and the player has kicking privileges inside the D!?
No that’s not yet implemented
It's only for international matches
Actually we have implemented the 1on1 shoot-out across Ireland, except for schools. It is much better, although harder to umpire (as you really need an extra time-keeper). And yes, you can replace the GK with a "player with goalkeeping privileges" (usually referred to as "kicking back"), though I've only seen that done once.
Wow. No way the ball was put back into play with a throw-in th same as is done in soccer. The ball was rolled along the ground with an action similar to that seen in bowling.
We may have a heart it differently but good that you're saying it.
correct. and one year the ball had to hit the ground outside, the next year inside. Most confusing!
I have a qeustion for dennis ... I have always been wondering about this.. What if your in the goal box and you save a ball, but you pick it up and run to the other goal box and you throw the ball in, is it a goal? Is a goalie allowed to do that? I always say to my team mates that my dream is to score a goal like that!!😁😁 (Sorry if I spelled everything wrong, english not my first language so I can't spell that good in english)😂😂
Carlo Roberts if im right you can't hold the ball as a keeper or something
WB DBA Noooooo!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂 Okay thank you😉
no, the goalie cannot play outside the D with anything else than his stick and cannot cross the 25 yard line with his protective gear on.
werkmap wow okay thats something I did not know, Thank you👍
Carlo Roberts no the other day my goalie saved a goal by holding it between his stick and glove but he got a pc for that (btw he still saved the pc)
You had to ... stop the ball outside the D on a PC before it could be taken in for a shot.
You had to ... a defender could raise the stick above the shoulder ONLY on a shot on goal (but not swing)
You had to ... walk the ball up 10 yards on a (green card now) small infringement. Umpire signalled with a closed fist held high.
Thanks!
I hated the offside rule
2022
Nooo Tomas :(
How old are you guys
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