Hey all, just wanted to leave a link here for folks to do more research on the pack if they choose: thehiddenwoodsmen.com/product/deep-woods-ruck/ this is not any sort of affiliate link or anything, just so you know where I got it.
Got into backpacking last year and started prepping this year at 41 years old. I watch a lot of videos on the subject and have found yours most informative and helpful for the useful information Im looking for. Thanks for doing what you do and for your service.
Hello Josh, just wanted to tell you I'm impressed with your level of knowledge and more importantly your skills and experience. There's so many pretenders out there but you are definitely not in this category. I go a long ways back in wilderness survival skills and was fortunate enough to spend 30 days in the boreal forest with Mors Kochanski. After that experience I learned of Glen Garner who was trained and taught by Tom Brown and took every BOSS course they offered in the 90's. Had my own survival school in 2000 and offered courses through 2004. A lot of what you share is the very things I was taught. Keep up the great work and remember that you never know where your influence begins or ends. Peace my friend...✌
I gave my ALICE Ruck the full "Ranger Joe's" Treatment BITD. Those shoulder straps and hip belt are very reminiscent of those modifications. This looks great!
I love my alice packs , I have three & the latest is the med size woodland without the frame. This was a great video for proper set up. Id like to have the HW upgraded version someday. Thats a pack that you can pass down for generations. Thanks Joshua.
Got my pack afew weeks ago, setup watching your video on, Alice frame. Added molle belt/straps, been on few ruck walks, with it. Christmas day, did 8 miles, hit some pretty steep hills, with 60 lbs, very comfortable pack, rides high and tight against my back, at 55 years old zero back pain, after walking with it.
I can't count how many ebay listings and surplus store finds where I've seen alice packs put together wrong. Nice having a clear youtube video that mentions how to do it even if its not for the original alice pack. I learned off of youtube videos but this one would've have been so much easier to decipher. If I didn't already have a pile of packs I'd be jumping over that thing like a chicken on a junebug. P.S. They have a woodland one... I'm not drooling. I promise.
I had a good smile, because Dave from Really Big Monkey did the same exact thing a couple of days before you posted I think Malcolm sent a tropica light sack to more than just one person to test out and attach to an old Molly frame. Like I said, Dave from really Big monkey beat you to it by a couple of days. However if you have ever watched his channel he sometimes takes forever to explain things. What I like is the fact that you just get down to it and don’t waste any time.
Hey Joshua, I ended up camping because hotels were to expensive for work. I liked that video where you brought tent steaks, and recommended them. I even bought some extras. When I travel with a crew I have to pack light and inconspicuous. To make a long story short, I forgot tent steaks, and the tent wouldn’t set up without them. I had to make some. The whole time I was thinking. Ghgb “ I would rather have steaks than have to make them. Thanks for your videos.
I like that yours is in an solid green color rather than the woodland...thats my preference as well. Looks like a well made pack...thanks for the tutorial!...woods
I have a Swiss M-90 waterproof pack, and I improved it by doing what you're about to do... I added a lg ALICE frame... had to use large zip ties, but it secured the pack to the frame!
Thanks for sharing the information about the Hidden Woodsmen Ruck Sack, but also how to attach a ruck sack to a ALICE frame. Always wondered exactly how they attached, even thought I do not own one. I had one maybe 35 years ago, but didn't like it back then. Now I may have to get one. Again thanks, great video. Juddie - J & J TOA
Pretty cool setup. I always preferred my bedroll on the top of my Alice. Always liked the top litte heavier than lower end also. Large Alice was better than new system. Remember boys and girls, the pack weight is on your hips, not your shoulders.
Great video. I have the Hidden Woodsman Deep Woods Rucksack which is similarly designed and has an ax sleeve. It is mounted on a Tactical Taylor Malice Frame w/ Tactical Taylor shoulder straps and waist strap. Very nice set up! Hate I missed you in SC last week. I was in TN on business. Thanks for another great video!
Just ordered the TT MALICE frame and I have a question for 'ya. In the video there are slots at the top of the MILSPEC ALICE frame where the shoulder straps insert. Since the TT is tubular, any issues with the shoulder straps moving?
No they cant, that was an option for the smaller ALICE packs, but it was not an option on the original large ALICE either, the amount of volume and weight they can carry always needed a frame
They ought to do one based on the large ALICE pack now. Back when I was in boot camp we had the old toggle and slot (p*ssy) connections on our web belts. We were instructed to were the belt with the p*ssy to the left. I always wondered if they were making a statement there. I have a Camelback ruck with an internal frame (sort of) with nice padding in the waist belt, shoulder straps and on the back with air channels. Clam shell openings, side pockets and water bladder pocket. Comfort ain't bad. But now all you professional ruckers have me rethinking my ALICE packs and their frames.
Is it better to make a shelter out of a mylar blanket instead of just wrapping it around you? Perhaps if you only have a blanket it would be better (please correct me on this) but in my case I always make sure to have drum liners and cordage that could be used to make a half decent shelter with raised bed which makes it seem like using it like a tarp shelter would be a better value
Nice show and tell there and informational 👏👏 Now that brought back some memories and my back told me, Don’t walk up stairs and get that ruck 🎒 on, I was thinking 🤔 about it 😂🤣👍👌✌️🇺🇸
@James Crowe he is good looking. Is that another “ thing” that a woman can’t make a casual observation about a person she watches and is educated by , on certain topics that are NEED TO KNOW? 😂😂😂 well I have never been a troll. Nor have I ever given a “ rats ass” about other folks opinions. As I have always told my CHILDREN, sometimes it’s “ your issue” and MORES TIMES it’s their “ sh&t”. XXXOOO
Great video Joshua! As a new member from Kentucky, I’m thinking about signing up for your course in TN in the Fall and was curious if the Hidden Woodsman will hold all the required gear for the class?
Tried a few different backpacking packs, but none ever jived with me like an alice. Bought a Hidden Woodsmen after watching this video, so now I’ve replaced my stinky, patched, and sewn soft parts with some high speed gear! Fit my frame perfectly, is more impressive in person for sure. I did find that my dry bag that fits in a GI issue duffel fits perfectly inside the pack, so I stuff it in first then put in anything I want to keep dry during some major downpours. The top drawstring is much improved, but it’s still an alice, so not a waterproof closure. One word of advice when you first get one, the buckles are all a bit tight. Don’t panic, after you unclasp and snap them back together a few times they break in. My only complaints so far are there are no external molle or other means for extra gear, except on the bottom. This leads to my other complaint which negates the first, which is that this pack has enough room I don’t need any outside attachments. This does cause me to want to overpack though! Just gotta ask myself if I really need what I’m putting in there. Good product and great work, Josh!
I wish, instead of the side pockets they just had PALS webbing, and made the pockets, pouches that came with. And then cover the back and the waist belt with PALS webbing. I love modularity. Being able to set it up the way each person wants makes it an "everybody" pack. Plus it would make room for a bunch of Hidden woodmen pouches you could buy in the future.
Question: Hello! I recently discovered you channel and found your bug out bag videos very helpful. My question about the Alice frame is wether or not this type of system is worth the added weight? What are the pros and cons of an Alice frame? Best use cases? Is something like this better for long term missions or hunting where you might need to carry a lot of extra weight and gear? Do you already have a video about this and I’m just blind? Thanks in advance! 👍
Back in the day, there really weren’t any internal frames so a sturdy (but lightweight) one like the Alice helped keep heavy loads from moving around so much. Now, the primary benefit of an external frame over an internal one is that in warm weather you are kept cooler because you don’t have the material pressed up against your back as you exert yourself. Hope that answers your question.
Gear shifting on you as you move puts strain on your muscles and wears you out faster. Another benefit of the external frame found on the Alice is that it is well proven as a design. And the improved Alice frame sold by Tactical Tailor is even better than the one we were issued.
That strap going a 1/3 of the way up the frame is going to dig into your back, and will drive you nuts, maybe have that strap modified on both sides to just strap to the bar of the frame and buckle it that way.
I forgot I still have the V3 tactical tailor malice pack bag only and it has the sleeping bag compartment attached. Might get a polymer frame and attach it to it.
does anyone else not trust the webbing keepers and always go over the top and back through once everything in sinched (obviously not the ones that im constantly readjusting like the sturnum belt and lower part of the shoulder straps)
@@GrayBeardedGreenBeret I am sorry I did not know it was only two pounds. Dyneema fabric back packs are very popular right now such as the Zeepacks Arc or Blast. 2lbs is great. Did you say how much it costs in the video?
''The noblest pleasure is the joy of understanding & learning never exhausts the mind.'' ~Leonardo da Vinci ''Blessed be to all of the Fatherhood that it has taken, & will further take; in order to get us back to the very author of both Fatherhood Himself & His Son.'' - One of many waiting men Father's Day 62021 1/504 '74
Hey all, just wanted to leave a link here for folks to do more research on the pack if they choose: thehiddenwoodsmen.com/product/deep-woods-ruck/ this is not any sort of affiliate link or anything, just so you know where I got it.
Cool 😎 thanks, Gonna ask if they can repair an old small ruck sack I have , Im going to see if it’s worth repairing 👍
Thank you very much.
Awesome Alice type pack. Love it. Thanks for the info.
Link is dead now, did they stop production?
Got into backpacking last year and started prepping this year at 41 years old. I watch a lot of videos on the subject and have found yours most informative and helpful for the useful information Im looking for. Thanks for doing what you do and for your service.
Finally the perfect pack! Minus the plastic buckles on the shoulder straps... very well done!
Wish he still made this pack.
Hello Josh, just wanted to tell you I'm impressed with your level of knowledge and more importantly your skills and experience. There's so many pretenders out there but you are definitely not in this category. I go a long ways back in wilderness survival skills and was fortunate enough to spend 30 days in the boreal forest with Mors Kochanski. After that experience I learned of Glen Garner who was trained and taught by Tom Brown and took every BOSS course they offered in the 90's. Had my own survival school in 2000 and offered courses through 2004. A lot of what you share is the very things I was taught. Keep up the great work and remember that you never know where your influence begins or ends. Peace my friend...✌
I like that upgraded pack. The medium ALICE pack is top notch imo for a bushcraft/survival pack. Thanks for sharing.
I gave my ALICE Ruck the full "Ranger Joe's" Treatment BITD. Those shoulder straps and hip belt are very reminiscent of those modifications. This looks great!
I love my alice packs , I have three & the latest is the med size woodland without the frame. This was a great video for proper set up. Id like to have the HW upgraded version someday. Thats a pack that you can pass down for generations. Thanks Joshua.
Got my pack afew weeks ago, setup watching your video on, Alice frame. Added molle belt/straps, been on few ruck walks, with it. Christmas day, did 8 miles, hit some pretty steep hills, with 60 lbs, very comfortable pack, rides high and tight against my back, at 55 years old zero back pain, after walking with it.
Second only to your survival skills videos, your gear pract app videos is top tier. Thanks for sharing, J. Semper Fi!
I can't count how many ebay listings and surplus store finds where I've seen alice packs put together wrong. Nice having a clear youtube video that mentions how to do it even if its not for the original alice pack. I learned off of youtube videos but this one would've have been so much easier to decipher.
If I didn't already have a pile of packs I'd be jumping over that thing like a chicken on a junebug.
P.S. They have a woodland one... I'm not drooling. I promise.
LOL! Yeah, my wife saw me looking at packs earlier and said you don't need any more packs. :( Doesn't mean I won't lol.
I had a good smile, because Dave from Really Big Monkey did the same exact thing a couple of days before you posted
I think Malcolm sent a tropica light sack to more than just one person to test out and attach to an old Molly frame.
Like I said, Dave from really Big monkey beat you to it by a couple of days. However if you have ever watched his channel he sometimes takes forever to explain things. What I like is the fact that you just get down to it and don’t waste any time.
The big difference that Dave did, was that he attached the waist belt first so that the main pack was not in the way of installing that.
I like Dave, he’s good people
Great video! I like the "alice upgrades". The Hidden Woodsmen is a good company. Thanks GBGB.
The ole big green tick!
Hey Joshua, I ended up camping because hotels were to expensive for work. I liked that video where you brought tent steaks, and recommended them. I even bought some extras. When I travel with a crew I have to pack light and inconspicuous. To make a long story short, I forgot tent steaks, and the tent wouldn’t set up without them. I had to make some. The whole time I was thinking. Ghgb “ I would rather have steaks than have to make them. Thanks for your videos.
Very clear demo, thanks 👍🏼 Expensive components, but you get what you pay for.
That Ol Alice Pack is the AK47 of the Rucksacks.
Good way of putting it, it sure is
Gray Bearded Green Beret is the Ak47 of men...just saying
I like that yours is in an solid green color rather than the woodland...thats my preference as well.
Looks like a well made pack...thanks for the tutorial!...woods
I have a Swiss M-90 waterproof pack, and I improved it by doing what you're about to do... I added a lg ALICE frame... had to use large zip ties, but it secured the pack to the frame!
Thanks for sharing the information about the Hidden Woodsmen Ruck Sack, but also how to attach a ruck sack to a ALICE frame. Always wondered exactly how they attached, even thought I do not own one. I had one maybe 35 years ago, but didn't like it back then. Now I may have to get one. Again thanks, great video. Juddie - J & J TOA
This pack with the FLIBE frame wold be amazing
Nice tutorial Josh! Thank you.
Excellent vid put my kit together while watching it ! Love the Hidden Woodsman pack quality is exceptional. Kuddos Josh.
I like it. May have to replace my old alice. Is that that the equivalent to a Large or just a Medium ruck?
It’s a 60L so closest to the Large Alice pack which I think was about 62L.
Josh with no Molle or alice attachments how would you carry water bottles/ canteens etc, or carry an axe?
Pretty cool setup. I always preferred my bedroll on the top of my Alice. Always liked the top litte heavier than lower end also. Large Alice was better than new system. Remember boys and girls, the pack weight is on your hips, not your shoulders.
Thanks brother for sharing the knowledge. Be blessed! 🇺🇸
Great video. Can you feel the frame while carrying the pack?
Great video, well presented information.
Absolutely love your new intro and outro. Best I've seen/heard in a LONG time.
Glad to hear it!
You’re getting close to that Santa clause beard, now all you need is a fat man suit and you will for sure have some secondary work come December. 🎅🏻
Like you I have put many a mile on the old rucksack. I really like the upgrade. Does it have the pouch on the top flap like the old one?
Underneath the top flap, mesh zippered pouch (the whole top flap is a pouch, yes, it just opens and closes differently)
Great video. I have the Hidden Woodsman Deep Woods Rucksack which is similarly designed and has an ax sleeve. It is mounted on a Tactical Taylor Malice Frame w/ Tactical Taylor shoulder straps and waist strap. Very nice set up! Hate I missed you in SC last week. I was in TN on business. Thanks for another great video!
Just ordered the TT MALICE frame and I have a question for 'ya. In the video there are slots at the top of the MILSPEC ALICE frame where the shoulder straps insert. Since the TT is tubular, any issues with the shoulder straps moving?
@@SgtSnark not so far
@@SgtSnark they will slide but do not see, to move when I have the pack on my back.
I really like the update version of the ALICE pack can the shoulder straps be attached directly to the pack tho?
No they cant, that was an option for the smaller ALICE packs, but it was not an option on the original large ALICE either, the amount of volume and weight they can carry always needed a frame
They ought to do one based on the large ALICE pack now. Back when I was in boot camp we had the old toggle and slot (p*ssy) connections on our web belts. We were instructed to were the belt with the p*ssy to the left. I always wondered if they were making a statement there. I have a Camelback ruck with an internal frame (sort of) with nice padding in the waist belt, shoulder straps and on the back with air channels. Clam shell openings, side pockets and water bladder pocket. Comfort ain't bad. But now all you professional ruckers have me rethinking my ALICE packs and their frames.
Nice looking pack.
Oh Alice got a face lift👊
Is it better to make a shelter out of a mylar blanket instead of just wrapping it around you? Perhaps if you only have a blanket it would be better (please correct me on this) but in my case I always make sure to have drum liners and cordage that could be used to make a half decent shelter with raised bed which makes it seem like using it like a tarp shelter would be a better value
I have one of the old ones and I Love it!!! Awesome Video Brother!!!!!!
Appreciate your channel battle. Which group?
7th SFG
Nice show and tell there and informational 👏👏 Now that brought back some memories and my back told me, Don’t walk up stairs and get that ruck 🎒 on, I was thinking 🤔 about it 😂🤣👍👌✌️🇺🇸
GREAT video. Not sure it's worth giving up my current ALICE, but good on HW for their quality products. I love my satchel. Use it daily.
Looks like my future ruck will be identifying itself as “Alice” now…thanks man for enabling my pack addiction!
Thanks for the video
thanks for another great video!! now to look at these.....
So how do you like the pack?
Hey GOOD LOOKING!!! Thanks for the education. I really appreciate you teaching style.
Uh oh.
@James Crowe 🎼🎼🎸she calls me baby. SHE CALLS EVERYBODY BABY 🎹🎼🎼🤣🤷🏻♀️
@James Crowe he is good looking. Is that another “ thing” that a woman can’t make a casual observation about a person she watches and is educated by , on certain topics that are NEED TO KNOW? 😂😂😂 well I have never been a troll. Nor have I ever given a “ rats ass” about other folks opinions. As I have always told my CHILDREN, sometimes it’s “ your issue” and MORES TIMES it’s their “ sh&t”. XXXOOO
Great video Joshua! As a new member from Kentucky, I’m thinking about signing up for your course in TN in the Fall and was curious if the Hidden Woodsman will hold all the required gear for the class?
Absolutely will. That’s the one I’m using for those courses as well
Tried a few different backpacking packs, but none ever jived with me like an alice. Bought a Hidden Woodsmen after watching this video, so now I’ve replaced my stinky, patched, and sewn soft parts with some high speed gear! Fit my frame perfectly, is more impressive in person for sure. I did find that my dry bag that fits in a GI issue duffel fits perfectly inside the pack, so I stuff it in first then put in anything I want to keep dry during some major downpours. The top drawstring is much improved, but it’s still an alice, so not a waterproof closure. One word of advice when you first get one, the buckles are all a bit tight. Don’t panic, after you unclasp and snap them back together a few times they break in. My only complaints so far are there are no external molle or other means for extra gear, except on the bottom. This leads to my other complaint which negates the first, which is that this pack has enough room I don’t need any outside attachments. This does cause me to want to overpack though! Just gotta ask myself if I really need what I’m putting in there. Good product and great work, Josh!
Good stuff.
Great information. Its good to know.
Maybe I'm too new age but never have been much of a Alice fan. Good composite stays a good frame sheet does wonders. Awesome video though.
Which ALICE frame is better LC1 or LC2?
Original large Alice pack or Hidden Woodsmen tropical ruck, would you choose?
Excellent much thanx, you’re awesome hope to see you too in the woods
Good video , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Is that the table William Wallace was gutted on in Braveheart?
Does it have 550 cord strings sewn inside to cinch it up into a day patrol pack? Those made the ALICE pack so versatile.
What are the buckles and connectors made of?
Fastex are all polymer
I have The Hidden Woodsman deep woods ruck. Very similar to this model except the middle/front pocket is an axe sleeve. Great ruck!! Enjoyed!!
I just watched Really Big Monkey do his video. Nice pack.
im pretty impressed with your camera man, is he a survivalist's too? he seems to know where to point the camera to where ever you mention.
Apprentice Instructor, yes 👍
I wish, instead of the side pockets they just had PALS webbing, and made the pockets, pouches that came with. And then cover the back and the waist belt with PALS webbing. I love modularity. Being able to set it up the way each person wants makes it an "everybody" pack. Plus it would make room for a bunch of Hidden woodmen pouches you could buy in the future.
Question:
Hello! I recently discovered you channel and found your bug out bag videos very helpful. My question about the Alice frame is wether or not this type of system is worth the added weight? What are the pros and cons of an Alice frame? Best use cases? Is something like this better for long term missions or hunting where you might need to carry a lot of extra weight and gear? Do you already have a video about this and I’m just blind? Thanks in advance! 👍
Just got my Alice frame it weighs next to nothing followed the vid for set up very happy with it !
Back in the day, there really weren’t any internal frames so a sturdy (but lightweight) one like the Alice helped keep heavy loads from moving around so much.
Now, the primary benefit of an external frame over an internal one is that in warm weather you are kept cooler because you don’t have the material pressed up against your back as you exert yourself.
Hope that answers your question.
Gear shifting on you as you move puts strain on your muscles and wears you out faster.
Another benefit of the external frame found on the Alice is that it is well proven as a design. And the improved Alice frame sold by Tactical Tailor is even better than the one we were issued.
@@redfangsociety7636 Ah. Didn’t think about thermals in the heat! That’s cool! Thank you for taking the time to answer my question! 😄
@@redfangsociety7636 In what ways is it better? I’m seriously curious. Wanting to learn.
I bought a savotta pack and there's so much molle that I get hung up on everything, I imagine that would be a deadly mistake in a warzone
I cant stand the MOLLE webbing stuff personally
I went to the web site and picked out all of the items. It would cost over $400. There are other much more affordable options out there.
NICE!
Sir, out of curiosity. Did you perhaps name your channel off the greybeards from Skyrim? Lol I can't wait to have that much knowledge dyed in my beard
I don't know what that is. I named it that because I have a gray beard 😂
Awesome
Why do you need to have a membership??
You don't.
I still have an old large ALICE pack ruck.
I see the frame has been bent in, I assume in the traditional method. Old soldiers trick.
This reminds me when i was in the US Army, amen brother.
What is the purpose of an Alice frame?
Fyi … I pre ordered your book on Amazon on May 10th and guessing with delays they canceled the orders.
Really? I don’t believe they cancelled my order, but I will check.
(Update: Mine says delivery delayed, new estimate between 16-27 July)
No orders have been cancelled to my knowledge. It releases July 13th
@@GrayBeardedGreenBeret my email says due to lack of availability and it’s been canceled. Maybe because I’m in Canada
Interesting. And it won’t let you reorder?
@@GrayBeardedGreenBeret not at this time. But I’m hoping when released it will be available.
That strap going a 1/3 of the way up the frame is going to dig into your back, and will drive you nuts, maybe have that strap modified on both sides to just strap to the bar of the frame and buckle it that way.
It’s not digging in my back because the kidney pad pushes it away from my back.
Nice
🇺🇸Any News on the 200k Sub Giveaway Ruck & Contents.? I. havent heard anythingThanks Josh& Family. 🍀
The pinned comment on that video and email went out
@@GrayBeardedGreenBeret Ok Mr.Enyart Thanks ,Must have missed it. GB2 👍 🇺🇸 🍀
I had a tactical tailor Malice pack but sold it due to it not fitting my long torso. Had a lot more features.
I forgot I still have the V3 tactical tailor malice pack bag only and it has the sleeping bag compartment attached. Might get a polymer frame and attach it to it.
does anyone else not trust the webbing keepers and always go over the top and back through once everything in sinched (obviously not the ones that im constantly readjusting like the sturnum belt and lower part of the shoulder straps)
yes
too heavy
😂 too heavy? Its like 2 lbs
@@GrayBeardedGreenBeret I am sorry I did not know it was only two pounds. Dyneema fabric back packs are very popular right now such as the Zeepacks Arc or Blast. 2lbs is great. Did you say how much it costs in the video?
@@cuddleninja2978 You can't treat those ultralight packs like you can treat this one.
Too heavy.
Sounds like YOU Need to go Ultra light.. T.P. & bug spray. There ya go. Your packed, 🎁 your welcome. 🇺🇸 🍀
Too heavy for what? It's like 2 lbs.
''The noblest pleasure is the joy of understanding & learning never exhausts the mind.'' ~Leonardo da Vinci
''Blessed be to all of the Fatherhood that it has taken, & will further take; in order to get us back to the very author of both Fatherhood Himself & His Son.''
- One of many waiting men Father's Day 62021 1/504 '74