How David Foster Wallace Wrote Novels

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  • @WriteConscious
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  • @Terrificguyonline
    @Terrificguyonline 9 місяців тому +29

    In my third year in to my first draft i can finally say that i'm getting close to pick a name for my protagonist

    • @OldNerdLogan
      @OldNerdLogan 9 місяців тому +1

      Whoa nice I’m not there yet

    • @Terrificguyonline
      @Terrificguyonline 9 місяців тому

      @@BookClubDisaster no trolling: 40k. I write very slowly and inefficiently and its going nowhere and i hate myself

    • @8ballstreet
      @8ballstreet 9 місяців тому +5

      You better slow down

    • @Tato9412
      @Tato9412 6 місяців тому

      Why would it take you so long to just pick one name if the draft itself has thousands of words

    • @Richardwestwood-dp5wr
      @Richardwestwood-dp5wr 2 місяці тому

      ​@8ballstreet you want him to spend 20 years writing that damn novel !!!!

  • @diorblunt
    @diorblunt 9 місяців тому +8

    One of my favorite quotes I often think about when I sit down to journal is from Hemingway:
    “All you have to do is write one true sentence. Write the truest sentence that you know.”

  • @MalachiFrazee222
    @MalachiFrazee222 9 місяців тому +3

    I've been writing by hand since age seven. Fountain pens makes it great too.

  • @personanongrata987
    @personanongrata987 9 місяців тому +3

    Yes, slow down and get serious about how to rethink and modify multiple drafts. Great advice.
    --

  • @justinpeiffer9188
    @justinpeiffer9188 9 місяців тому +2

    About a week or so ago I was asked by a coworker about my choice in taking a longhand approach to writing a novel. My response featured the versatility in settings invitative to a pen and paper approach; outside where there are no power outlets which we would otherwise eventually need if we are working on a laptop. I also like how much quicker it is to flip open a notepad to jot down those slickest and most elusive of thoughts and perfect sentences before they can escape our minds rather than hoping we can hold onto them until we power on our laptops. Lastly, I appreciate how raw and intimate it feels to write longhand. I never thought of the fact that it slows everything down. This is an awesome observation!

  • @flame85246
    @flame85246 9 місяців тому +6

    I met DFW’s professor in undergrad. He showed me his original manuscript of broom of the system

    • @johne.nobody2946
      @johne.nobody2946 9 місяців тому

      That’s so sweet! Probably a bit strange, though, considering the circumstances under which it was found.

    • @tzirufim
      @tzirufim 6 місяців тому

      @@johne.nobody2946 How did it come up? I've never heard that story before

  • @peterkovic2241
    @peterkovic2241 9 місяців тому +1

    I tried writing longhand for the first time a about a month ago, and I loved it. Neil Gaiman says it forces you to write (paraphrasing) "slowly, but in a good way" and I found that to be true. That, paired with shutting off my wifi using apps like Cold Turkey Blocker and Freedom, has really helped my productivity.

  • @Maggdusa
    @Maggdusa 9 місяців тому +7

    "If you share your pain with me, I'll share my ink with you."
    -A pen's promise to a writer

  • @tysonjames3155
    @tysonjames3155 9 місяців тому +3

    Would definitely recommend the typewriter as a tool here. Especially a manual one where you have to literally press the letters into the paper. It’s slower than computer but neater than printing. Ideal for drafts I think.

    • @patrick_dy3r
      @patrick_dy3r 9 місяців тому

      Also good in case your computer crashes or gets hacked.

  • @complicatedshoesproductions
    @complicatedshoesproductions 2 місяці тому

    I'm a screenwriter and I think I found a good technique. 1st draft is typed out--that first blast of inspiration comes out quicker and gives you less time to let your inner critic get ahold of you. 2nd draft, long hand--you look at you wrote in the first draft and begin to shape your story more clearly. Maybe some wild idea came out in that first draft that you would've shunned if you were going long form. I think it's a nice balance and it seems give you the best of both worlds.

  • @KalleVilenius
    @KalleVilenius 9 місяців тому +1

    There have been times when I've been away from home and have just kept a folded a piece of A4 paper that it fits in my pocket (folding it in half twice) with me, then I'd write whatever it was that occurred to me in the available surface. Once a single surface was full, I'd switch to another piece, writing a different scene entirely. This way you'd get 8 different (and rather short) pieces written on the same piece of paper, and if you manage to fill multiple sheets this way, you'll have fun trying to figure out if anything written on any of them is related directly to anything else and the shortness of each segment lets you really look at them for waht they are. Switching from vertical to horizontal is something I did here as well as when writing notes during lectures, it's a lot more interesting to read afterwards when the orientation keeps changing, keeps you engaged (think House of Leaves). Also keep a notebook next to my bed for those latenight flashes of dubious inspiration.
    So yeah, writing longhand is something that I can get behind. There's a pleasure in filling the blank whiteness with graphite chickenscratches, an aesthetic kind of pleasure.

  • @BooksForever
    @BooksForever 9 місяців тому +1

    It actually makes sense for authors to strike through their name on the title page when signing their books otherwise you effectively end up with a doubling of the author’s name. The strike through makes their signature serve as a proper page amendment/edit.

  • @sweetviolents29
    @sweetviolents29 9 місяців тому +3

    Interesting. Terribly sad to think of DFW crossing out his name.
    What you mentioned about the lingering importance of the person you learned to write from reminded me of something. Might be a little personal, but I think it’s got illustrative value!
    When I was 13 years old, I read my mother’s journals. She was artistic and her writing was extravagant. I decided to make it my own. That took about two weeks. I kept it through college until I was roughly the same age she’d been when she died. Then something happened in me. I felt like my skin didn’t fit anymore like it’d never been mine and like I’d run out the clock without noticing. Needless to say, it was Not a Good Time. Part of what got me through it was finding ways to differentiate myself from her, and the handwriting was a bigger deal than I’d expected. Every time I used her style (which was every time I wrote by hand) I thought about her and felt her absence. In retrospect, I must have been measuring myself against her although I never once thought about it consciously.
    This might be a bit outside of normal experience, but I’m sure it’s common that more memories are tied up in handwriting than people notice. I can’t think of another activity that more closely connects the structure of our thoughts with physicality.

  • @conordaedalus
    @conordaedalus 9 місяців тому +1

    Another banger video - my best writing comes out from longhand sessions

  • @getstakerized
    @getstakerized 9 місяців тому +1

    I like writing on lined paper… I’ll try unlined… I wrote two novels on early 80s word processor, a very different experience… but they were cyberpunk lol…
    My writing is very sloppy… I love it , but my attachment to it might be ego…
    Really looking forward to reading the handwriting book… I’m mainly a poet and always write out in longhand…
    I was always fascinated by the Paris Review features where they’d show a famous author’s page with handwritten corrections…
    Also of interest: Samuel R. Delany talking about being dyslexic early in life, laboriously writing out notes for his novels on 3x5 cards…
    Thanks for much for a lot to think about!

  • @danielyoung5137
    @danielyoung5137 9 місяців тому

    NOTES for my stories, always handwritten…DRAFTS, always typed. Works for me.

  • @mattheww797
    @mattheww797 9 місяців тому +3

    I dont think stephen king writes longhanded. Someone asked him at a talk and he said hes tried it but it all has to end up in the computer anyways..

  • @AntiNovelist
    @AntiNovelist 9 місяців тому

    Dude!!! So happy I discovered your channel!! Love DFW, Love longhand, and I am fascinated with your explorations of handwriting as a spiritual or meditative act. As a Zettelkasten AntiNovelist, I believe in Analog knowledge development 100%. I write drafts by hand, use the ZK for research and story development (all on notecards) and definitely agree writing by hand is transformative! Well done!! Subscribed!!

  • @bibliographer4369
    @bibliographer4369 4 місяці тому

    If you want to transform your handwriting, use a fountain pen. Also, DFW prol had a work-study drone type for him. Hemingway talked about typing vs. writing, too.

  • @AndyPHamilton
    @AndyPHamilton 9 місяців тому

    Cool channel. just discovered it after watching your video on Blood Meridian.

  • @jimmyallen8210
    @jimmyallen8210 9 місяців тому +2

    There are plenty of Architects and Engineers that have the same feeling about drafting and drawing in general being a much more fruitful and creative process when compared to CAD (computer aided design) and BIM (building information modeling). I have heard graphic designers with the same complaints about their field.
    There seems to be a real sense of loss for creators when they are given technological short cuts. If you have not experienced that loss, it is hard (or nearly impossible) to see the value in going the long way.
    Also, when you were taught all of your foundational skills for your process through the short cut method your attempts at slowing down will be frustrating. Your work quality will tank for a while because you are learning a new skill. Most people interested in trying an analog method will give up before they reach anywhere near the skill level of a person that has spent a career developing the skill set. Newcomers to a field can understand the idea of the value of slowing down, but they have to take it upon themselves to learn and develop, where the old method was part of education process for the old timers. In short - there is a significant barrier to entry.
    Perhaps we are meant to slow down and think while we create rather than just cranking out products.

  • @step7413
    @step7413 9 місяців тому +1

    It would be funny to know how DFW would take a book like that on "Handwriting". To me it seems just like another auto-promotional-motivational-marketing thing. Don't take it personally, but i think that the creative and writing process is more inconscious and spontaneous than we try to study and rationalize. True words are those about "slow down" as a writer. Agree, but only if it's spontaneous. BTW, great channel. I watch your videos everyday even if i'm italian.

  • @mikescott4195
    @mikescott4195 3 місяці тому

    Have had similar experiences.
    I find one way to manipulate the style of prose is writing in different formats.
    In an experimental novel i have been working on, a third was handwritten, a third typed on a ribbon typewriter and the third method i wrote out in text form on my smart phones note app.

  • @patriciosiquot
    @patriciosiquot 9 місяців тому

    I was 22 years old when I decided to change the way I did the lowercase m. It was a spontaneous decision. I didn't like the way it looked. It took me maybe two weeks to truly change it, meaning that it took two weeks to do it the new way even when I was in a hurry and needed to put something down on paper quickly. It really showed me both the potential and resistance for change we have as humans.

  • @jasonsanders8091
    @jasonsanders8091 9 місяців тому

    one of my favourite authors, H.E.Bates, always wrote in longhand, not on typewriter.

  • @markcastro955
    @markcastro955 9 місяців тому +2

    Recently moved to another country, and guess what, my handwriting changed. Interesting. I just bought the book, so thanks for relaying that information. For my next journal I'm going to use line-less paper. Looking forward to it.

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, you'll like a lot of the stuff. The first 89 pages are about changing things other than the written alphabet in your writing. Like marigins, the pens you use, and other good stuff. A lot of that opened my eyes and is somewhat more important to me than some of the alphabet changes I made!

  • @aaroolkoh9464
    @aaroolkoh9464 9 місяців тому +2

    longhand maybe not for all.. like for adhd/autistic minds, ideas reels through like morphology images.. like butterflies.. there’s no chance of pinning them down with longhand. simply trying to write it down disperses the thoughts away.. at least with typing the process can become less conscious and automatic and actually be focused on the ideas flitting through

  • @guyfromkingshighway6813
    @guyfromkingshighway6813 9 місяців тому +2

    another great video

  • @drakelohse1158
    @drakelohse1158 9 місяців тому

    That copy of Libra on your shelf is gorgeous. Also, what's that "Sandman" book on your shelf? Never seen that before.

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому

      Thanks! It's the Sandman Omnibus!
      amzn.to/3Hy8mu8

  • @liammcooper
    @liammcooper 9 місяців тому

    I think it's a matter of preference. I think writers should learn how to write by starting with short poems or haiku to figure out what images and themes they like on a sentence level; then move to short stories to see how narrative structure works with paragraphs; then eventually they'll accrue enough themes and write so many pages of short stories that a novel will seem less daunting. It also teaches them that some things should be short stories while others are better as novels or plays (there wouldn't be as many bad novels around if the writers realized they didn't have enough substance to warrant the length). To that effect, Kafka said that writing a good short story should be done all at once almost in a dreamstate, French authors called it "État second", and obviously a computer or typewriter is going to be a lot faster at attaining that immediacy. "On The Road" would be entirely different if Kerouac wrote it long-hand, although that's also what led Capote to say of Kerouac's work "that's not writing, that's typing". While on the other hand, you get people like John Steinbeck, Roald Dahl, I think Joyce Carol Oates? who not only write longhand, but get to a point where they have specific paper and pencils they always use.

  • @hamzasaid3368
    @hamzasaid3368 9 місяців тому +2

    Agree mostly with your points and writing on paper, especially on paper with no lines. Look at some old writers drafts and you'll see them writing in any direction and angle, even doodling on their drafts. But there are some authors that can write on a type writer and computer at the same level.
    I think Vollmann is the only modern author I can think of who, at the start of his career, wrote exclusively on a computer. Although he had to stop and go handwritten when he developed carpal tunnel syndrome. Its possible but it takes someone extremely dedicated.
    Also wonder what your thoughts are on Vollmann?

    • @pseudoplotinus
      @pseudoplotinus 9 місяців тому

      Vollmann is so dedicated to his craft and such a prosperous writer that it'd only make sense for him to write everything in that quick fashion described when writing on a computer. I even suppose that the prose style gets influenced by what medium you use. Vollmann's pynchonesque ambitious writing style requires quick adding and deleting and editing; Cormac McCarthy's relatively more minimal prose obviously has less of that complex ambitiousness when taken into consideration the fact that he used to write exclusively on a typewriter, where such an option is absent. And even though he now writes on paper, the prose style of Europe Central is so similar to You Bright and Risen Angels because that's the prose style he has adopted.

  • @hugoblack4133
    @hugoblack4133 9 місяців тому +1

    Hate to tell you, but MANY authors cross out their names on signed books. I have a shelf full of them. To my knowledge none have committed suicide. Crossing out the name is an age-old symbol of personalization. Google is your friend. 👍

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому +1

      Bryan Garner and I will have to look into this thing you call Google

  • @arnolito2361
    @arnolito2361 9 місяців тому

    Great video man. I will definitely start reading Wallace soon. Btw do you have any recommendations for books on teaching?

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому

      High school teaching?

    • @arnolito2361
      @arnolito2361 9 місяців тому

      @@WriteConscious Yes and maybe middle school too

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому

      English? How many years have you been teaching?

    • @arnolito2361
      @arnolito2361 9 місяців тому

      @@WriteConscious Yes english. I don’t have any experience teaching yet. I’m looking to start after finishing college and am trying to be as prepared as possible before I go into it.

  • @sdfskgvkshvkbjws
    @sdfskgvkshvkbjws 9 місяців тому

    Handwriting gives you a feedback of who you are, how you are as you write, specially when you're at young age. It helps to become conscious of who you are as you're expressing yourself non consciously. It's like the way of walking (the non verbal language) : it tells how you inhabits space and time without even think about it. And you can't control it. For instance, signature reproduction of someone by someone else is not possible, unless you have some type of idendity disorder maybe, but I don't know about that. Everyone has a different way of writing, as nobody is identical to another person.
    There's a lot of literature on the subject, like books from Max Pulver and Ludwig Klages among others, like french psychologists. Graphology (the study of handwriting and its meaning) is psychology applied to the movement of the hand on paper.
    And crossing its own name on a book is no positive thing to do for sure. As for the U that could mean this or that, it always depend on the overall context it takes place in (the speed of the movement; its tilt, forward or backward, or both; the size of the letters; the space between the words; the shape of the lines of the sentences, straight or not; the roundness or the angular shape of the letters, etc.)

  • @JayDee-Plantnosher
    @JayDee-Plantnosher 9 місяців тому +1

    Do you have any published works?

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому

      Short stories and poems. I will be republishing most of them on my Substack soon!

    • @JayDee-Plantnosher
      @JayDee-Plantnosher 9 місяців тому

      @@WriteConscious thanksfor your reply. Where can they be found. Forgive me if the answer is obvious. I did look around your channel, but I have no other social media if that is the answer

  • @enriccoc7794
    @enriccoc7794 9 місяців тому +1

    have you read anything about how to make your handwriting more visually pleasing? I write a lot but it always looks sloppy and ugly unless I write very very slow

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому +1

      The book I mentioned "Your Handwriting Can Change your Life" is really good. Follow the tips she says in there even outside of changing how you write letters and things will improve.

    • @WriteConscious
      @WriteConscious  9 місяців тому

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  • @angelagilmartin2109
    @angelagilmartin2109 4 місяці тому

    I had Vimala’s book! I wish I’d kept it 😞

  • @TheTruthIsOutThurr
    @TheTruthIsOutThurr 3 місяці тому

    Great video. Lots to think about.

  • @jeffrey3498
    @jeffrey3498 6 місяців тому

    To me, and only me, I’ve handwritten first drafts and I’ve typed them into a computer; and honestly, there isn’t a difference. The speed I type creative writing is no faster than what I do writing longhand. Everyone is different, but longhand versus typing seems to me to be much ado about nothing, or at the most, much ado about very little.

  • @kentjensen4504
    @kentjensen4504 9 місяців тому

    I have never before heard it described as "writing longhanded". Isn't "writing in longhand" the correct expression?

  • @williamkraemer8338
    @williamkraemer8338 4 місяці тому

    Handwriting analysis is based on science.

  • @mariaradulovic3203
    @mariaradulovic3203 9 місяців тому +1

    ''Lugubrious''.

  • @alexingram9325
    @alexingram9325 9 місяців тому +3

    lugubrious
    /lʊˈɡ(j)uːbrɪəs/
    adjective
    looking or sounding sad and dismal.
    "his face looked even more lugubrious than usual"