The only way to play it mate, u go for torps just grab a shima, fearless Hayate can jump some shit, just remember zig zag when hunting as ur gun power is in the rear
I just get nothing out of these guns. shatters 80% and the stupid aim assist is just wrecking my accuracy nowadays. i have to shoot waaaay too high to even reach a broadside with BB at 10km. ridiculously shitty engine.
The buff of allowing smoke and torpedo RB changed the value of this ship. Very solid now. And keep in mind, running the black lacquer on any Japanese ship gives you 10% extra xp, serious.🤨🤨
i remember way back in closed beta forcing shima to run as a gun boat. caught a lot of gearings by surprise cause they thought they were getting a free kill
On The Legends version Of WoWS, Hayate is probably my favorite DD to play. On Legends you have to choose smoke screen or Torp reload booster. I play the reload booster, becasue Nobody on Legends expects a second set of torps inbound after you've already launched a set. This is especially true against Radar Cruisers up close around islands. Hayate is also very rare on Legends, not many people have it, let alone play with the TRB instead of smoke
The timing of this video is pretty much perfect because I was considering getting Hayate just yesterday. I love playing Grozovoi but I don't feel like farming other hybrid DDs right now. Hayate looks solid and somewhat similar
Good video PQ. I normally have a gun build on my Hayate for Randoms. But in Clan Battles I switch in Yamamoto with a full torp build. With that build you´re right, I thought of my Hayate as an IJN Gearing in the past as well.
Got my Hayate back during the FXP days. Back then had to chose between smoke and reload booster. Was much harder to play. But with the buff allowing for smoke and reload booster, it has become one of my favorite DDs to play. Maybe 2nd to Kitakaze and Benham a close 3rd. It sits in that nice niche of guns and torps.
I play mostly CoOp, when I play these days. IJN torpedo detection ranges really hurt the torp boat line. (though bots know when you lauch torps better than humans, if you get the ones programed for torp dodging) It should be more like Asashio's torp detection. I got the Hayate back when it was 2M FXP and did not have TRB and smoke but TRB or smoke. (like Kangero) Apparently the ships did not sell well, so WG decided to make the changes. Maybe if it continues to sell poorly WG will reduce the detection. A feature/tactic is to get torp hits with floods that trigger damage control by the player then burn them down. As with IJN torp boats there is the balance of gun range vs, firing detection. The further you shoot the further you are spotted. When I am up against DDs or cruisers with torps I start torpedo dodging almost as soon as I am spotted, often going into reverse. I like the Hayate better than the Shima, but by tier ten players should have learned that IJN torp boats have guns.
I have one. It's a good ship. The lack of concealment feels awkward though. There is just so much radar, planes, stealth DDs, gunboat DDs at tier 10. And while the guns are definitely decent, it is a torpedo boat. In certain ways it feels like a Halland to me. Bigger torps, but slower torps. Slower reload, but reload booster. Does have better guns than Halland & it has smoke. So I actually think it's better than a Halland, unless you're in love with Halland AA. I do still find myself playing Shima more often though.
Have to say, I don't know what's going on this patch but blowouts in randoms have seemed way more common than in the last couple of patches. The MM just feels so unbalanced with gold league div's stomping through
Lots of returning players to get anniversary tokens for SCs. One guy that didn’t play for 2 years came back and wants to stay for longer and join a clan.
What is the current Meta? When I play, the current Meta is usually Tier X or Supership BBs sitting in the back and sniping with their 3 zip code dispersion. Or is it those same BBs sitting behind a rock 20KMs from the caps cussing at the DDs to go spot? No, I actually think the Meta is when DDs are spotting an entire flank, those same BBs never shoot in fear they may take damage. IMO, BB play is totally dead and they are worthless. WG doesn’t allow a dead person to ping the map. This game is utter toxic and WG should implement if you die in battle, you can’t chat. It’s always the dead that end up yelling and cussing in the game. If this game and the stats are going on your resume…….I feel sorry for you people.
Finally the coal series is back. Don’t think I’ll finish before 2024 lol. Notes on the hayate, how good its main armaments are, the concealment and maneuverability really hold it back and over all make it a pretty mid destroyer. Making this a torp boat is also weird with 6.9 base detect I believe.
I really wish they had set up the Jager to T10, because like you said, there really aren't much for Coal Torpedo Boats. ⛵ But that being said, I did get Hayate for Clan Battles the time before last. And compared to French, 6.1 is ok for concealment. Also if you catch two ships flat footed next to each other, that reload booster is really nice to obliterate them.😊
i had gotten hayate pre her getting the in my opinion enormous buff in 13.1 as my second coal ship after napoli and i just couldnt figure it out, it felt like a marginally better tier 7 shiratsuyu where i could take the smoke screen but be stuck with a damn near 2 minute torp reload or take the rb and now i have no smokes and it make gun fights and cap contesting extremely risky. But after her buff it is my second most played tier X dd behind tromp
The nice thing about Hayate that it makes excellent use as a captain trainer. Grinding up the Shima line, use torpboat modules and tada, solid ship. Grinding up the Haru line, use gunboat modules and tada, solid ship. Is it the best at either role? No, but it does have the flexibility to do well in either role.
Hayate uses the same guns as Shimakaze with one important difference: Shima reaload is 5,74 sec. stock while the guns of Hayte reload in 3,7 seconds. You pay for this by having a 6.1km concealment wich is still good in the actual meta. Since the ship got buffed (earlier you had to decide if you want to use smoke OR torpedo reload) it is clearly used as a gunboat and should be specced as such (Kitakaze style).
Usually when I launch torps, I’ll stack the 2 spreads into each other so that the gaps between then are small enough that they can’t just turn in to dodge easily, but you need the balls to be fine missing all of them if you aim bad
Hey man. I have 198k coal and like 13k steel should i buy a coal ship after i get thr coupon this November or wait for the steel to save to buy my first steel ship ??
Hayate is my favorite T10 Japanese destroyer. Shima and I just dont connect, and it honestly feels worse than Yugamo at T9. I think Somers was a great coal torp DD even though I hardly ever play her since, i put the Legendary mod on Gearing.
@PQ - im trying to get the new captain. Ive been playing for seven years and i was almost able to finish the puzzle pieces. All my ships have been played, how do i get more crates for the last few pieces? i was ready to spend the extra dabloons to buy the crates but i dont see them. thanks!
my problem with HAYATE is im always trying to survive against other DDs who know they have the advantage, lack of team support and intelligent people who not only don't help with support but also complain when you don't push.
I have a problem with this ship - she looks fine on paper, she feels fine when you're playing her and then it turns out she lacks a bit in every department, especially when playing solo in randoms. No matter what you want to do with her, there is always a better DD for that. That's why PQ hasn't really shown a single good game in the video. At the end of the day there is nothing Hayate is good at.
Hi PQ. I like your videos. They are very informative, and generally entertaining. But one thing I would like you to change if possible, is those random laughs you do. I cringe every time I hear them. Please stop. Otherwise keep up the the good work.
i just got hayate, full gun build is really insane, people really underestimate the gun power, and the torps are still usable
The only way to play it mate, u go for torps just grab a shima, fearless Hayate can jump some shit, just remember zig zag when hunting as ur gun power is in the rear
The instant reload gave us 20 torps 😎😎, i also build my hayate full gun.
11:10 THAT’S ME MOM I’M THE COLBERT WOOOOP
Finally! A 2024 video on Hayate. A month or 2 after getting the ship and still trying to figure out how to play it. Thanks PQ!
I just get nothing out of these guns. shatters 80% and the stupid aim assist is just wrecking my accuracy nowadays. i have to shoot waaaay too high to even reach a broadside with BB at 10km. ridiculously shitty engine.
@@Manko1980 it's a torp boat. it has the exact same torpedo output as shimakaze over a 14 minute game, often times more.
The buff of allowing smoke and torpedo RB changed the value of this ship. Very solid now. And keep in mind, running the black lacquer on any Japanese ship gives you 10% extra xp, serious.🤨🤨
Definetely! One of the DDs I enjoy to play after the buff it got recently
i remember way back in closed beta forcing shima to run as a gun boat. caught a lot of gearings by surprise cause they thought they were getting a free kill
On The Legends version Of WoWS, Hayate is probably my favorite DD to play. On Legends you have to choose smoke screen or Torp reload booster. I play the reload booster, becasue Nobody on Legends expects a second set of torps inbound after you've already launched a set. This is especially true against Radar Cruisers up close around islands. Hayate is also very rare on Legends, not many people have it, let alone play with the TRB instead of smoke
Used to be that way in WoWS as well, they just buffed Hyate to give both
The timing of this video is pretty much perfect because I was considering getting Hayate just yesterday. I love playing Grozovoi but I don't feel like farming other hybrid DDs right now. Hayate looks solid and somewhat similar
Good video PQ. I normally have a gun build on my Hayate for Randoms. But in Clan Battles I switch in Yamamoto with a full torp build. With that build you´re right, I thought of my Hayate as an IJN Gearing in the past as well.
Thank you for the review. Hayate is next on my list for coal!
Got my Hayate back during the FXP days. Back then had to chose between smoke and reload booster. Was much harder to play. But with the buff allowing for smoke and reload booster, it has become one of my favorite DDs to play. Maybe 2nd to Kitakaze and Benham a close 3rd. It sits in that nice niche of guns and torps.
I play mostly CoOp, when I play these days. IJN torpedo detection ranges really hurt the torp boat line. (though bots know when you lauch torps better than humans, if you get the ones programed for torp dodging) It should be more like Asashio's torp detection.
I got the Hayate back when it was 2M FXP and did not have TRB and smoke but TRB or smoke. (like Kangero) Apparently the ships did not sell well, so WG decided to make the changes. Maybe if it continues to sell poorly WG will reduce the detection.
A feature/tactic is to get torp hits with floods that trigger damage control by the player then burn them down.
As with IJN torp boats there is the balance of gun range vs, firing detection. The further you shoot the further you are spotted. When I am up against DDs or cruisers with torps I start torpedo dodging almost as soon as I am spotted, often going into reverse.
I like the Hayate better than the Shima, but by tier ten players should have learned that IJN torp boats have guns.
I have one. It's a good ship. The lack of concealment feels awkward though. There is just so much radar, planes, stealth DDs, gunboat DDs at tier 10. And while the guns are definitely decent, it is a torpedo boat. In certain ways it feels like a Halland to me. Bigger torps, but slower torps. Slower reload, but reload booster. Does have better guns than Halland & it has smoke. So I actually think it's better than a Halland, unless you're in love with Halland AA.
I do still find myself playing Shima more often though.
Thanks. I think its my next coal ship. Looking forward to it!
Have to say, I don't know what's going on this patch but blowouts in randoms have seemed way more common than in the last couple of patches. The MM just feels so unbalanced with gold league div's stomping through
Lots of returning players to get anniversary tokens for SCs. One guy that didn’t play for 2 years came back and wants to stay for longer and join a clan.
What is the current Meta? When I play, the current Meta is usually Tier X or Supership BBs sitting in the back and sniping with their 3 zip code dispersion. Or is it those same BBs sitting behind a rock 20KMs from the caps cussing at the DDs to go spot? No, I actually think the Meta is when DDs are spotting an entire flank, those same BBs never shoot in fear they may take damage. IMO, BB play is totally dead and they are worthless. WG doesn’t allow a dead person to ping the map. This game is utter toxic and WG should implement if you die in battle, you can’t chat. It’s always the dead that end up yelling and cussing in the game. If this game and the stats are going on your resume…….I feel sorry for you people.
what a terrible take from someone who clearly doesnt enjoy playing this game anymore
Finally the coal series is back. Don’t think I’ll finish before 2024 lol. Notes on the hayate, how good its main armaments are, the concealment and maneuverability really hold it back and over all make it a pretty mid destroyer. Making this a torp boat is also weird with 6.9 base detect I believe.
Thx for this video. I suck at DD's but Hayate is comfy for me to play and I usually do fairly well with her.
i prefer to play yamagiri as gunboat, superior concealment & alpha , combined with burst it can shred dds in a quick fight & disengage with smoke
Really a great DD! The reload booster is very helpful! And the guns are surprisingly good! o7 PQ
I really wish they had set up the Jager to T10, because like you said, there really aren't much for Coal Torpedo Boats. ⛵ But that being said, I did get Hayate for Clan Battles the time before last. And compared to French, 6.1 is ok for concealment. Also if you catch two ships flat footed next to each other, that reload booster is really nice to obliterate them.😊
You should try Hayate in operations, it's pretty fun and relaxing ship
Hi! How did you build your Hayate? Gunboat or full torp?
@@monssterific gunboat, reload boster is enough for torps to do the job
@@poprosturobert6874 hello! Tried gunboat build on my hayate and I’M LOVING IT!!! It’s really like a US Gearing!
i had gotten hayate pre her getting the in my opinion enormous buff in 13.1 as my second coal ship after napoli and i just couldnt figure it out, it felt like a marginally better tier 7 shiratsuyu where i could take the smoke screen but be stuck with a damn near 2 minute torp reload or take the rb and now i have no smokes and it make gun fights and cap contesting extremely risky. But after her buff it is my second most played tier X dd behind tromp
The nice thing about Hayate that it makes excellent use as a captain trainer. Grinding up the Shima line, use torpboat modules and tada, solid ship. Grinding up the Haru line, use gunboat modules and tada, solid ship. Is it the best at either role? No, but it does have the flexibility to do well in either role.
Hayate uses the same guns as Shimakaze with one important difference: Shima reaload is 5,74 sec. stock while the guns of Hayte reload in 3,7 seconds. You pay for this by having a 6.1km concealment wich is still good in the actual meta. Since the ship got buffed (earlier you had to decide if you want to use smoke OR torpedo reload) it is clearly used as a gunboat and should be specced as such (Kitakaze style).
Usually when I launch torps, I’ll stack the 2 spreads into each other so that the gaps between then are small enough that they can’t just turn in to dodge easily, but you need the balls to be fine missing all of them if you aim bad
I somehow got this ship from the wishing wharf a few months ago bout time I got luck in this game lol
Yes if you have a gun build. Play the Shima with the 8km torps, I have a lot more luck with the 8s than the 12s
The reason you should get Hayate is the golden week camo
Hey man. I have 198k coal and like 13k steel should i buy a coal ship after i get thr coupon this November or wait for the steel to save to buy my first steel ship ??
rpf solves many problems, meaning concealment
Is it worth it if you have harugumo?
Pq, random question. Do you play at 4k?
Hayate is my favorite T10 Japanese destroyer. Shima and I just dont connect, and it honestly feels worse than Yugamo at T9. I think Somers was a great coal torp DD even though I hardly ever play her since, i put the Legendary mod on Gearing.
This ship is just plain Good.. in he right hands it really good..
@PQ - im trying to get the new captain. Ive been playing for seven years and i was almost able to finish the puzzle pieces. All my ships have been played, how do i get more crates for the last few pieces? i was ready to spend the extra dabloons to buy the crates but i dont see them. thanks!
Aquatic tokens in the Armory give you a free premium container ( 2 pieces of the collection, but those can be duplicates ), after every 2nd try.
Can you do gearing vid pls as well?
I was just thinking about this ship lol
They need to bring the Benham back to the Armory
Hyatt was a feee xp ship not coal. It was the last free xp ship I got.
Gun boat build Shima Next PLEASE!!!!
Yes but every game you have to deal with at least 2 or 3 Radars... so its really 50/50 with DDa high Tier
spotting is rewarded... lol... 127K spotting dmg + 10K damage = 2nd from the bottom. Teamplay is incentivised and rewarded indeed.
my problem with HAYATE is im always trying to survive against other DDs who know they have the advantage, lack of team support and intelligent people who not only don't help with support but also complain when you don't push.
So hyatte or f.sherman????
Hayate over Black? Asking for a friend.
If you play mostly tier 10 than yes.
play the queen elizabeth
I miss Somer…
Managed to snag while available for free xp a few years back.
I have a problem with this ship - she looks fine on paper, she feels fine when you're playing her and then it turns out she lacks a bit in every department, especially when playing solo in randoms. No matter what you want to do with her, there is always a better DD for that. That's why PQ hasn't really shown a single good game in the video. At the end of the day there is nothing Hayate is good at.
The best T10 DD after the buffs
Not even close lmao,It went from pretty bad to good ship after the buff
Nope. Daring still best :D
Hayate is a much better option than Harugamo.
Do khabarovsk then
Shima guns are still somehow better
Do the Gibraltar. Witness the power of all the weeknesses of the British cruiser lines!!
German 128mm, half the damage lol
day 11 asking pq for radar minotaur
Hi PQ. I like your videos. They are very informative, and generally entertaining.
But one thing I would like you to change if possible, is those random laughs you do. I cringe every time I hear them. Please stop.
Otherwise keep up the the good work.
day 24 for asking for a roon review
Shell arcs = trajectory for anyone who cares about the real terms.