Mazda CX-30 vs. Dodge Hornet 0-60 Review: Which of These Sporty SUVs Is Quickest in the Real World?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
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The option I chose is to get the Mazda CX-30 non-turbo model for $25,000 out the door. I saved a bunch of money, and 191 horsepower is plenty for this type of vehicle.
i say 190 hp is great for a little suv i just lease a 2024 cx-30 not knowing if i stay with it or not but its so soft and quiet but i nearly totaled it messing with the sport button it gave me an instant take off doing a turn i cant imagine the turbo.
@@robertoperez2222you shouldn’t be allowed to drive sister
@@robertoperez2222 i find sometimes it does weird things turning, one time it gunned it harder than any launch ive done in a turn XD
I like the styling of the Hornet in and out, more than the CX30. But I will guess the Mazda quality is much better. Hard choice to pick one over the other.
Credit to both for not having CVT transmissions!
Reasonable concerns. There’s resale as well to think of. That Hornet is expensive and that makes the cost of depreciation painful,,,,. I’m thinking the Mazda will retain more resale.
The Mazda interior design is very nice but getting a bit old compared to the competitors newer models.
If you're having a hard time deciding between a Dodge or Mazda, you don't deserve a Mazda.
@@shitloveaduck its classy, it wont date as badly as badly placed screens and touchscreen hvac.
@@MeliorIlle I've owned(and still own one) a Dodge(Challenger Hellcat) and Chrysler(300 SRT) product for the past 10 years and coming up on 7 years with a Mazda(current gen CX-9). Outside of a rear 02 sensor failure on the Hellcat (a $90 part I changed myself in 20 minutes) all of these vehicles have been flawless. The Mazda for sure is in another league for body panel fit and paint consistency(my biggest complaint with the Hellcat). We have a Signature so the interior design is quit nice as well, but from a reliability standpoint anything out of Dodge/Chrysler running on the LD or LA platforms(their RWD vehicles with ZF 8 Speed trans) are very reliable. The things that matter most are exceptional...engines, transmissions...and they nail the infotainment better than anyone including Mazda who are only so-so, probably my biggest complaint with the CX-9 is the infotainment. It will randomly reboot, randomly stop working through bluetooth until you shot off the vehicle and restart it, and its a bit slow to boot. My worry with the Hornet is its 100% an Alfa Romeo. Dodge probably doesn't put their logo on it just in case is has classic Alpha Romero issues...they don't want to know its a Dodge for that reason. Personally I love many aspects of the Alpha's but they got out of the gate on a bad start when the brand was reintroduced to the U.S. market with electronic gremlin issues being the main culprit, and those are very hard to diagnose and fix. I will agree if you are having a hard time deciding between a Mazda or a Dodge its probably because until the Hornet there wasn't much you would cross shop since their line up only consisted of Challenger, Charger and Durango...and not many people are going to cross shop a CX-9 vs. Durango. The Durango is much larger(interior space), has a V8 option and real towing in a totally different league and there is nothing in Mazda's lineup that you would cross shop with a Challenger or Charger(no one is cross shopping a Mazda 6 and a Charger). Dodge quality today is quite good. Alpha Romero scares me a bit. Time will tell.
@@rocko107me8 That's a cool rant bro, but no one is going to take you seriously at even attempting to argue Chrysler is the same quality as Mazda so you are wasting massive amounts of time.
I own a non turbo cx30 and it’s a great car for my daily 30 minute commute to and from work. After getting used to the screen controls I actually like it way better than my Ram and wife’s Buick touch screens.
CX30 has 2 rear speakers for each side like hornet (not one as said in video). One is on the door and one on C pillar near headrest. Many people miss that. Same for front speakers. In addition to two speakers on the front door, there is one bass speaker hidden under A pillar close to firewall. Bose system has a total of 12 speakers!
No highs, no lows, must be Bose.
He said speakers on the door, not in the rear.
@@mrsteve4313 what does it matter whether it has two speakers on the door. He clearly makes reference to the number of speakers for rear seats.
@@broeheemed32 I am quite happy with it. Better than my mb c series and ML320cdi’s standard speakers.
@@broeheemed32 Harman Kardon,14 speakers I just bought one
I think the Hornet is the right choice for me. I like it more, is much modern because is a new product, and i think looks better. So yes, i'll go with the Dodge this time
Enjoy the service dept. In fact re-direct your mail to go there.
@@Steven-en6uu you’ll be surprised when these are out lasting your car.
I drove a Dodge Charger for four years and only had to replace the tires and brakes. I drove it 20,000 miles annually and never left me stranded. Currently driving a Challenger and love it too.
@@Rosso488 doesn't matter. The build quality along with materials/fit and finish is infinitely better on the Mazda. Plus Mazda is one of the reliable car brands there are. Dodge? Yeah, not so much...
@@reecetbobby5347 I love Mazda but I also love Dodge. They are polar opposites. I’m not arguing Mazdas reliability but rather how reliable your car is. Idk why I said that now tbh it didn’t make much sense. I also think that the Hornet will be pretty good in terms of reliability. I’ve driven both of these cars and they’re both great in different ways. I like the looks of the Dodge a bit more honestly however the CX-30 is also a looker. I don’t think the Mazdas quality is better but rather different. The Dodge has a solid interior and a huge touch screen that seems to be lacking in the CX-30. Now in the time I had the CX-30 the drop charger didn’t work at all and the Bose stereo would go silent for no reason at all. However the Hornet every once in awhile would display a message on the gauges that would disappear so fast I had no idea what it said. Regardless these are very nice car’s and both would be great cruisers for anyone.
Hey Kase!! Wow! You have gotten sooo good at doing reviews. This may be your best video yet!! (I haven’t watched TFL Bike lately so can’t say there.) You speak so well and have become quite thorough in the feedback of the vehicle and that’s the most important part here with these two. As much as the Mazda 30 is a bit dated in comparison to the Hornet, the premium feel and responsiveness come through on top as drivability goes. Just too bad for the size of the Mazda, which you were objective about as well.
Nice job good sir!! 😊
Agree 100% He has a bright future.
Hornet is a good sporty crossover seems like. Especially GT for the price but realibility would be suspect
The 2023 Dodge Hornet in made in Naples Italy alongside the upcoming Alfa Romeo Tonale.
I love my cx30 only thing I don't like is the 12 gallon gas tank other than that it's a great reliable car
Yes! I hate the tiny tank. I love my carbon edition though. My 2012 mazda3 has a 15-gallon tank!
Curious about the resale values after 3 years and 5 years. Of the two which would return a higher percentage back to your pocketbook?
Are you serious? Dodge has a reputation of offering massive rebates and discounts to their products. What do you think that does to the resale value? If the average vehicle is worth half of its sticker value and a Manufacturer offers twenty percent off, that means that it has to come from somewhere and its the resale value. This goes for long term zero percent rates... if a new dodge is less to purchase than a two year old dodge, who will buy the used one? Short term buyers think discounts are great.... up to the point they go to trade their trash in....
@@marcymcsheehan3579 that’s my point! These tidbits of info should be talked about in these reviews!
Spoiler Alert: The Mazda will be much higher I can assure you
@@marcymcsheehan3579 That's one side of the coin, what about the other side. The person who waits and buys the Dodge at a 20% discount. If you do the math (using your #'s ) for the Mazda and Dodge at the end of 5 years, the Mazda owner will have lost an additional 1,000 dollars. You could argue that Mazda would retain slightly above the 50% of its value and Dodge slightly below 50%, then that would make both cars with roughly the same depreciation . Again you could argue LOL the cost of repairs out of warranty, so both car's mileage would be roughly between 36,001 miles and 75,000 miles.(15K miles/yr x 5 yrs). The odds that both cars are going to have an expensive repair are very low with Mazda being even lower. For me, it's not enough money difference to sway me from one car to the other, also I never keep a car longer than 4 years so reliability is a non-issue. ( for every comment saying Dodge will break down before 75,000 miles there's one Kia/Hyundai with an engine on fire)
@@Rich-xq3uv thank you. I think ppl like to rag on Chrysler vehicles just to here themselves speak.
I really like the CX-30. I love the Hornet name, I just wish it was on an AMC inspired car.
Mazda needs to admit that their dial infotainment system sucks. Touchscreen is far better and usable, anyone that tries to say the dial is less distracting is just plain wrong. It is absolutely horrible when using CarPlay
It doesn't you're just too stupid with it 😂 how hard is it to plug in , push dial to the right and do what u want on the phone , stop feeling to the need to touch the screen lol
Can you please do comparison between lexus ux and mazda cx 30?
I like the hornet on paper. I just looked at one in person. I hated trying to get in the car. Very low roof line on the front doors had to do a major tuck and roll to get in it. That was a major bummer. I will probably pass.
You mentioned the high altitude having issue with the performance output. Both engines are turbocharged and both have electronic fuel injection which compensates for the altitude. I don’t think there would be a big difference in performance if any. You mentioned the Dodge doesn’t have any Dodge signage on the car anywhere except the two red bars,and I agree. I did notice when you started the Hornet up, the screen did display Dodge there. I like the look of the Hornet better than the Mazda. I also like the display surface better in the Hornet compared to the Mazda. Performance is pretty close in both. The Hornet is $3000.00 more which is quite a lot. I would have to drive both before making my decision as to which I’d choose, probably neither though. By the way, STOP means STOP not almost. You should edit your ignoring stop signs out of your videos.😳😮
I'm a Mopar guy from the 70s. The Torqflight transmission prior to 1971 had no part throttle kickdown. My new 71 Demon 340 did. My brother's 70s 340 Dart didn't. Those early transmissions lasted longer because they weren't shifting as often as the 71 transmission. Fast forward to today transmissions. Those 10 speeds are shifting a bazillion times more than a 6 speed thus less durable overall. Compare the 10speed to the 3speed. Wow! Imagine all those extra mechanical cycles! It does help fuel mileage but at the cost of longevity.
Yes I did repair my automatic transmissions too. Strictly for drag racing loads.
By 2025, Ford plans on a 36-speed transmission. They claim it will add to the longevity of their cars. I can't disagree, since it will be too busy shifting to actually move the car at all.
You seem biost against the Hornet from the get go. I have a Hornet GT and I absolutely LOVE it. Take from someone who owns one and not just drove it once. It's a great vehicle!!
I'm sure it is. It's just that the Mazda is better. It's the #1 rated subcompact SUV in Car and Driver for a reason.
I like the Mazda, a neighbor has one just like the test vehicle in this video. That said, I like the Dodge's interior much better, actually disagree with your opinion regarding which has a more upscale interior. I like the looks of both car's exteriors, but would probably choose the Dodge.
If the chassis is similar and as good the stelvio this will be a hit.
@@allentoyokawa9068 it’s actually an Alfa Romeo
@Allen Toyokawa it's not fiat no more .....wake up
Re the Mazda 6 speed: with a broad torque band, you don't need a zillion gears. A gear that would be too tall for a peaky engine can be powered just fine with more torque over a wider range.
Hornet GT 🤘😎🤘
FIAT H !ornet
CX-30 all the way between those 2, overall CX-5 is the definitive choice.
Mazda CX90 has a bouncy rear suspension. Haven't driven CX90 yet. Does that also have a bounce bounce rear end? 😢
Combined MPG as a basis for choosing a car? Plus I just bought a Dodge Hornet GT Plus with leather interior for $37K. Someone had a Mazda bias going into this video. Dodge has a clear performance advantage and a clear hardware advantage
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Whatever happened with the hornet breaking down at the slip test?
Supposedly it "only" needs a software update. Went back to check the license plate, it's still the same vehicle.
Oh yeah...the pre production vehicle they tested...Lmao...Good try
Mazda actually will throw the same codes on the slip test it's an actual diagnostic feature that sets codes it happens when three tires have no traction one wheel spins 9 mph faster than the rest with 15% or less throttle a lot of different brands of vehicles have the same diagnostic function. There is an update that came out 5 months ago about the Dodge Hornet failing the slip test
Thanks! But I think a CX-5 vs Hornet would be a better comparison.
No. The CX-5 is next larger class. CX-30 is right comparison.
@@tommymas1 Steven Joe is right on here. The CX-5 and the Hornet are compact class. The CX-30 is a sub-compact, hence the reviewer's comments about the tight back seat and lack of luggage space in the CX-30 compared to the Hornet.
Are you smoking? lol these are both CUVs .
I’ve been lucky enough to drive the hornet gt. Stupid fun to drive. I love the thing. But I’ve heard about the issues especially after Tommy tested it on the rollers. I would buy it but they always say never buy the first model year of a new vehicle. And in my opinion there really isn’t a need for the R/T when it costs something stupid like 52 grand. And from what I’ve heard the R/T is slower than the GT so just get the GT in a few years and you’ll be happy.
Dodge should have made their transmission perfect like the Honda Accord by making it a 10 speed. The Mazda has the patent skyactiv engine for the best fuel/horsepower ratio. I prioritize quality so I personally prefer the Mazda over the dodge.
The question is: which would last longer?
Ya. And break down less while you own it. Or retain its value better.....Quickness isn't in my top five purchase criteria.
There is no question about that.. LOL! The Hornet will be on the back of a Flat Bed disabled enroute to the Dealership for its 1st round of recalls and or TSBS in no time...
These jokes gets old
@@dkbaker121 people who have never owned a fiat saying things about fiat again I guess
i used to have a dodge challenger with the 5.7. only issue it ever gave me was a water pump after 7 years of no issues
If you are testing Turbos it does not matter at your mile high elevation . compared to a NA .
Just a thought that with electric vehicles now everywhere, this test might be out dated, the e cars can get to sixty quickly. For a small SUV type car a good test might be a highway ramp to 60 or 70? I understand it’s always fun to take off from a light.
ill take reliable gas over an ev time bomb
I am going with the Dodge Hornet over the Mazda CX-30 simply because I am a Dodge/Mopar fan!
Enjoy the service bay , the smart people who own the better brand haven't seen in it 😂
a dodge with a 4 cyl is cringe
Don’t like the big open space where they should’ve put the screen in the Mazda
…this is the Alfa Romeo Tonale, and it's been given a bit of a corporate redesign by Dodge to fit it into their design portfolio….
If I was spending my money, I would get a lower trim CX-30 with the non-turbo 2.5 but if I was trying to compete with the Hornet it's really a CX-5 that fits the segment better and I would have that in the 2.5 turbo option. The Hornet is a really good Stellantis offering, but if it was my money there's absolutely no way I would buy it. I know build quality and reliability aren't in the same ballpark as the Mazda.
Yo, I’m wearing the corduroys, a black hoody, and boots watching this 😂 swag jocker
Respectable 0-60 for the Hornet at 5000 feet. (6.14) At sea level could very well be mid fives. Not bad.
Cx-30 is 5.7
Mazda needs to update the Cx-30 exterior a little!
Id get the Mazda, mainly because its not trying to be something its not.
The Mazda is yawn boring styling and doesn't stand out in any way. It's something a non car person buys. The Hornet looks way better and stands out in a sea of boring crossovers. It has way more room and practicality for a daily as well.
The CX30 costs 20k less than the RT so yes. That's the one to buy.
Either you're a terrible driver, or using 85 gas because your 0-60 time is about 1 second slower than you should be getting in the cx30. Altitude would effect both equally yet somehow the hornet isn't impacted?
Not sure if that hornet is a press car, but automakers have been known to give journalists ringers. That 0-60 seems suspicious given Car and Driver says 0-60 in 6.5 at sea level.
I’ would never give dodge a thought. They always come out with new cars lines to only discontinue them after 3-4 years. Plus, they simply do not last. The Ram trucks can be solid but that’s it. It’s Mazda, Toyota and Honda for me.
After owning 6 mazdas in 7 years-yes I drive a lot, I can say-zero issue and zero repairs. Simple maintenance. Dodge, pffft, nobody seriously believes this vehicle will even be around in two years. Ill keep my mazda trend.
My guess is that it will live the same fate as the Omni, Neon, Intrepid, Stratos, Caliber, and Avenger: all dead within 2 generations. It's been the trend for Dodge's economy cars since the 80s
only problem with Mazda is rust
Do hornet gt plus fully loaded! I’m almost got one but they waited to long to come out so I got a Mazda cx50 turbo premium plus with zircon sand and brown interior and I love it, it drives like a sports car plus goes off road very well! I get the best of both worlds up here in West Virginia bc of the off reading and curvy roads!!!
Dodge didn’t even change a side panel or rear end from the Alfa .
That's because dodge isn't calling the shots anymore.
@@Welcometofacsistube Good, because Dodge was doing a shit job.
But when Toyota and Lexus does the same thing people love it.
More Alfa looks is a good thing! Don't knock it.
You mean like Nissan and Infiniti. Honda and Acura. Toyota and Lexus. Chevrolet and Cadillac.
$40k???
Looking good Kase
Seems the Hornet PHEV with PowerShot on should be in the upper 5's. That's pretty quick for a crossover.
I wonder if it automatically schedules your service appointment that you'll need if you actually push it hard...
What would "pushing it hard" have to do with service appointments
@@TnTTyler because it's an Italian built dodge so it's likely to fail if you actually use it.
@@Snerdles Go lick some more windows,
It better be faster than that. The cx30 does 0-60 in 5.7s not whatever garbage this was
@@VanquishedAgain You mean real world?
None at that ridiculous price.. but if I had to the Mazda.. I had a 2016 Cx-5 and it was an amazing car for us.
No comparison in fit and finish, especially on the interior design and materials. Also, regarding reliability, there's no doubt the Mazda will trounce it.
I just bought the 2023 Dodge Hornet GT Plus Black On Black And Blacked out Emblems, Sunroof ,18 Speaker Harman Kardon Sound System And Steering Wheel Paddles,much nicer than the Mazda For Sure With 20 inch wheels
not much nicer though
Kase phenomenal job bud your doing magnificent love you bud
Oh wow so great 👍 and very beautiful and the engine 🚂🚒 very strong and powerful for the off 🛣️ road 💪🛣️ or high way and very good 👍 design for the new 🆕 generation hument very easy to drive and comfortable ❤
This car is no joke 🤡. I love ❤ it. The engineers did a great job 🏆🥇👏
Dodge should make a hellcat hornet and stuff a hurricane i6 in it and pass it off to Alfa as a Quadrifoglio if they did that I’d take the hornet but I think Mazda design language and those gauges along wit the fit and finish overall will hold up and stay reliable while that hornet will be parked next to all the other 200’s n darts that failed but tried .
200s and darts! you nailed it mane.
Yeah, those pesky signal stalks can be hard to understand...
The gap in reliability will be staggering
yep , Mazda is real rust bucket
@@coltr7561 ill take rust over american junk
@@DrPepperCooled4090 well, its not american
Ford blinkers do that same thing
u get used to it
Which one has the better resale value?
Good comparo, thank you. If I had to choose one of these it'd be the Mazda for the proven powertrain.
the non-touch screen in mazda rules it out for me. Mostly because I like CarPlay and it's really hard to use in the Mazda.
Actually incorrect. Mazda enables the touchscreen if you're using Carplay
How ? You're telling me u can't push the little dial over to the right and use your phone ? , must not be very good at things if it's that hard for lol
Quality of the interior of the Hornet is not great? But it is an Alfa Romeo, can't be that bad.
The Mazda is a better choice as it won't be in the shop as much as the Fiat/Dodge, and the AWD system on the Mazda is a better unit
@Philip Wood FIAT is still under stellantis but I would still choose the Dodge over the Mazda.
@@Turshinand that's why you're a idiot who likes low quality, enjoy the service bay cause that's where the all end up most of the time along with not even being able to service your own battery with a memory saver
I'd go Hornet. Mazda going rear torsion beam suspension on Mazda3 and CX30 was a giant L.
How ? I drive the cx30 everyday with a 10 'sub in the back, zero problems on Houston roads , replace the tires with some actually good ones and you're good
@@cormaro1376 The torsion beam rear suspension was a huge downgrade from the previous generation. The current Mazda 3, CX-30, and CX-50 are all based on the same platform. The previous generation Mazda 3 (which I owned) had a fully independent multilink rear suspension. The ride was substantially better, smoother, absorbed bad road conditions better, and had a less jumpy back end, especially when going over bumps on turns. Mazda switched to torsion beam because it was cheaper to do and took up less space. Industry wide, it is known to be objectively worse, especially when it comes to ride quality.
@vg4902 yea my cx5 can take bumps better but it not so bad in the cx30 , I've gone over bumps and it barely anything , but were see how time goes on this suspension setup
Do they both have an independent rear suspension? Which handles better? Not mentioned in this review.
Felt like the reviewer was a bit biased towards the Mazda, tbh.
Personally, assuming the quality and reliability holds up (a big “if”), then I would probably go with the Hornet. But I’d have to test drive both first to be sure.
Felt pretty fair. He stated several dislikes/likes for both vehicles as far as equipment goes and left it up to the viewer to decide (he did not state which he would choose). The Mazda has better interior materials, build quality, sunroof, heads-up display for 37k. The Dodge has better tech, rear seat accommodations, and is quicker....but its also 40k so there's a big factor for people in this market (and that one's not even a GT Plus or R/T yet)
For Driving dynamics, he stated that the Mazda has much better feel (more mechanical and connected) and you sit lower down so you get a more sports car like drive. He said you sit up higher in the Dodge like you're in an actual SUV which isn't as car-like. And several other news reports have stated that the steering feel is a bit overassisted in the Hornet...whereas the Mazda's is heavier, more precise, with just some dead on-center feel.
Overall, if you're really into screen tech and 0.2sec bragging rights then you should go for the Hornet. But....if build quality, reliability, features (sunroof, HUD), and driving dynamics are you're priority then the Mazda would be an good choice and you would save 3k in the process 🤷♂
The Mazda 3, CX30, and CX50 all share the same torsion beam rear suspension... since they're all based on the Mazda 3. The Hornet has fully independent front and rear. I'd say steering feel might even be a wash given it's Mazda vs Alfa Romeo, which are both known for their driving dynamics. Ride quality I'd put the Hornet on top with the better suspension.
The hornet didn’t even have leather seats and the Mazda looked fairly loaded.
@@ShadyVibesWe have a CX-9 and the head up display in current Mazda's is nice, the only downside is when you are wearing polarized sunglasses it 100% disappears. It's like invisible ink :D , but a very useful feature when not wearing polarized sunglasses. I love that it lets you know if there is a car in your blind spot, what your next NAV turn is and distance, what the speed limit is...just lots of useful info that is really well executed.
@@rocko107me8 Agreed. One of the best in the industry for a mainstream brand. Yes, it's unfortunate that polarized glasses won't work for HUDs...and that goes for almost all HUDs. Only a select few high end brands have made polarizable HUDs. It's not easy to solve the problem cost effectively because HUDs need to transmit light horizontally so you can see...but the whole point of polarized glass is to eliminate horizontal light...so they end up cancelling out which is why it "disappears". Slight dilemma for the engineers
The CX-90 with that straight six starts at 39k
show me
$36,000 base price for the Mazda in this video
I thought Tommy broke that Hornet .......rofl !
launch the mazda in offroad mode for 50/50 split
I wonder if the extra displacement in the Mazda will even things out at lower elevation
Both are turbos so it doesn't really matter.
There is no comfortable seating position in the CX 30. Started seeing chiropractor. About killed me and all those who drove one in our sales organization.
I like the Mazda but I'd definitely pick the sadly, Italian Dodge.
Hornet all day
I’d take the Hornet RT or GLH with some modifications. Only issue that I see about the Hornet is no option for a sunroof or pano sunroof.
Also from watching multiple videos of people testing the Mazda’s with the 2.5T does better on a roll than launch.
gt plus comes standard with sunroof.
Damn you would be willing to spend 50k on a compact SUV with less than 300hp? Wow wish I had that much to throw around willy nilly
@@ShadyVibes That’s why I said modifications. I would tune it and other upgrades. And I didn’t say I’ll buy it.
@@La-yt1wr Ah my bad. But an R/T or GLH would def spring you +42k, so it would prob be close to 50k when all said and done with the mods. I'm curious how much more this engine can handle...it's already pushing 25psi🤷♂
Their tester was a pre-production unit so it didn't have the sunroof which is standard on the GT and R/T plus trims.
Feels like hornet should be compared to cx50
Why is traction control on? Smh... Do this without traction control bro!!
The Mazda short shifts plus it's only a 6 speed auto .
Mazda for reliability.
JD power puts Dodge over Mazda for reliability ratings.
^lmaoooooooo💀Having Buick as the 4th best brand tells you all you need to know about JD Power...
@@DONVITO223 JD Power are shills for whoever pays them...
I think a lot of its user error. There is no way all these vehicles are that unreliable. Kia and Hyundai has been unreliable for the longest but now all of sudden people buying them. Mazda wasn’t too far behind those two.
Oh because consumer reports told you too. Sheep
Has the Hornet passed the slip test, yet? If that is the same 9 speed as in the Cherokee, forget it!!!
CX-30
I'd pick the Mazda personally, far better reliability and more premium interior and better price. I'm curious to drive a Hornet though when they hit dealers around me. Maybe a test drive might change my thoguhts!
If mazda had a dual clutch, it would be even quicker!
The Hornet has better everything in this video I would rather get a Jeep Wrangler for that press are some other V8 backwell drive.
Dodge better come out with some turbo 6 muscle cars or they're done.
I'm just waiting for the first person in the dodge that tries to race me 😂. Always the Dodge drivers trying to race my X5M Comp 😅
You forgot to mention during the comparisons that the Mazda uses premium gas compared to the Dodge Hornet
The Hornet requires premium gas to make its claimed horsepower, too. Both cars can run on regular fuel but will have lower power numbers
$40k for a Dodge or Mazda compact suv? …no
that is the going rate these days. If you want premium brands you are looking at 60-90K easily.
@@MrGierigegast not at all, maybe for loaded models or Porsche/Jaguar/Maserati models but almost all luxury compact suvs start in the high $30s to low 40s, Lincoln Corsair, Lexus NX, Mercedes GLB, Infiniti QX50, and a lot more all start at $40k or below.
@@BeauregardPayne that's the key word, "start at". The CX30 being tested is fully loaded which is why it costs $36,000. But going by your own words of "start at" it starts at $22,000, which is very reasonable. You don't have to spend top trim money if you don't want to. The CX30 with the turbo can be had at 33,000 but the press car here is obviously going to be fully loaded. The cars you listed may start the same but would probably require you to option for a few packages to get some of the equipment that the Mazda might have fully loaded...making it cost closer to mid 40s and low 50s (a lot more than the Mazda). For example things like a sunroof, auto brake assist, adaptive speed control, and heads-up display won't be standard equipment on the Lincoln, Lexus, Mercedes, or Infiniti......there's definitely some upgrade packages needed.
On the other hand, the Hornet is midgrade and costs $40,000 but can max out at 50,000 which your statement here is totally valid. That is the true ripoff of the century
The Mazda is lower to the ground, that's why it gets slightly better fuel economy.
You forgot the Mazda 30 uses premium petro
Not really. You can use regular or premium. Premium gives you some 25-30more hp and bit more torque beyond 4500rpm. And in cold weather, both return the same hp. So for my cx30 regular in winter, premium in summer (if i ever need 4500+ rpm).
Hornet needs premium to get all its claimed horsepower, too. It's in the disclaimers
I'm wondering if the time would be closer if you did a run or two without brake torquing it. The Mazda will last 4 times longer than the Alpha, I mean "Dodge" regardless
The Hornet gets 6.5 seconds as tested. The CX30 gets 5.7 seconds both at sea level. I have a hard time believing that this is a legitimate test. The Hornet doing nearly half a second faster than it's capable of and the CX30 performing almost a full second slower on one of its runs... now yes, the quoted times are with 1 ft rollout which means in reality the hornet is 6.8s and the cx30 is about 6 seconds. Still not adding up. Unfortunately auto reviewers can paint any picture they want.
Hornet
Crazy how people in the comments are like a broken record, "the Dodge isn't going to last long, because Mazda is Japanese."Like the simping for Japan is insane. Modern cars can last 100K+ miles with proper maintenance nowadays. Let go of the past.
no they don't stop telling yourself that
The placement of that touchscreen in the Mazda seems bizarre. It looks like it would be pretty difficult to see, let alone interact with, anything on the lower half of the screen unless the driver is tall. Might still be difficult even then. Just put it in the front of the dash like it is in the Dodge, and most other vehicles. I'm wondering if it was as much of a pain as it looked like it might be, or is it really not that bad?
It's not bad. It's a clean looking system and there's not a lot on screen at any one time, so there's enough space to make text and objects the right size to see comfortably. At most it'll have both navigation and Media on screen at once, not a full desktop like some manufacturers have.
At least in the native system and Android Auto. I've never used carplay.
I've got a Mazda 3 with the same system. The screen is fine to look at, it's not a touchscreen but the dial is very easy to use once you get the hang of it. My only problem is using Carplay with the dial sucks.
@@stevenmcdonald Okay, the location makes more sense with it not being a touchscreen. I thought the designers were trying to be overly creative or something. This does put it more within your normal sightlines while driving, kind of like a heads-up display. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
@@markcoopers1930 Thank you.
Mazda all day long, for quality and reliability
That's right
These tests at 5000ft of elevation are useless for 95% of US drivers.
Test it as sea level where majority of population lives in US
Also state what brand of Gasoline and what Octane did you use
As I am typically the only one in my vehicle 85% of the time, rear seat room and enmities is moot. I don't care about playing with included toys on the touch screen either -- give me a couple simple buttons; otherwise, I just want something that works and plays music with a good sound quality. If I don't have to be looking at a screen, leaning to punch the "visual buttons" even better. I prefer to drive, not be distracted by BS. 6 speed or 9 speed, I've had both and could care less as long as it works reliably and doesn't continue hunting up/down as I drive.
Having something which feels better quality, more enjoyable to drive, and as well, will more likely have overall better reliability, my choice goes to the CX30 all day long.
6sec 0-60 isn’t nothing to just shrug about lol that’s a 5sec 0-60 at sea level
But it's not tho. The hornet GT does it in 6.5s at sea level (with rollout, 6.8s withour) and the cx30 does it in 5.7s with rollout and 6s without.
This is a fake test
Hornet for performance
The Hornet GT is much much slower than the CX30 Turbo. Shit even the RT only barely edges it out, despite costing 20k more.
Unfortunately, the 9-speed ZF gearbox is a way toooo slow 😢
The hornet had so much potential but in true dodge fashion they blew it by making it overpriced and as reliable as a fiat
"Maybe that's bc I'm a little bit childish" 😂 Me too - as for which? Mazda. Definitely not a Mopar guy, rather have even a Ford before a Hillbilly mobile 😅😂. I mean yeah Rams are neat Looking but meh 🤷
I owned a 2019 Jeep Cherokee with the same drivetrain that’s in the Hornet and I now own a 2021 Mazda CX5 turbo and I promise you that the Mazda is far superior in every way. The engine is a lot quieter and more refined in the Mazda also. The 9 speed auto in the Hornet is horrible.
My 9 spd is just fine thanks.
@@steves259it's not at all , it's sad that they need 9 speeds just to be compared to a simple 6 speed 😂