Betty Cope was a legend here in Cleveland. She founded WVIZ 25, the first PBS station in Cleveland. I had the pleasure to meet her several times, lovely lady.
"Holy failed memory, Batman." If you hadn't posted this, I would've gone to the next show not remembering that Betty offered me one of my first TV jobs hosting a community affairs panel. Thanks!
I grew up in the Cleveland viewing area, but unfortunately don't remember Betty. It might be an indication of how sick and twisted I am, but my clearest recollection of local TV is Ghoulardi.
Yet, with all her accomplishments, Bennett didn’t think it was enough. He had to interrupt her exit to say that she was pretty, (as though that was all that really mattered.)
An interesting note is that Arlene and Dorothy were in England attending the coronation of Elizabeth II and Arlene took Barbara Kelly's position on the panel of the UK Version of WML while over there. Knowing the way BBC preserved their archive, I'm sure that video evidence of that is long gone. It would be cool if footage of that still exists.
The BBC's seven-hour broadcast of the Coronation is still extant and was digitally remastered and repeated in 2013. The BBC have set up a website where you can see what was on TV or radio any day for many years past and on that you can see the BBC listings magazine Radio Times for the week in question as well. That cofirms Arlene Francis was on the BBC version of WML.
I love the unintentional, but good-natured, humor that comes from questions that are so diametrically opposed to what the 'lines' are. On one episode, a panelist asked a dog-collar manufacturer if one of the female panelists could wear his product. You can imagine the howls of laughter from the audience!!
Barbara Kelly was an excellent replacement for Arlene Francis. She ask good Questions and was smart. I think she would have given the full measure of time gotten the last guest.
Also, in the first game, was Ms. Betty Cope's "Line" was "Television Director"..One of the few women in that field..at WEWS-TV 5, at the time a CBS affiliate. In 1965 she founded WVIZ-TV 25, Cleveland's first UHF station and Public/Educational station, now part of PBS. Ms. Cope just passed away September 14, 2013 at the age of 87..
A big husky guy with a tan from Florida with an unusual job, it almost screams alligator wrestler. I expected someone to guess it during the wild guessing. By the way, I live in South Florida.
It was a big scandal when Durocher married Laraine Day in 1947 because they were both divorcees. He was suspended from baseball for a year for allegedly associating with criminals.
@z Unfortunately in American English, be it the French names up near Acadia and Quebec or the ones of the Creoles and Cajuns down at the foot of the Big Muddy, we tend to spell Durocher as one word for Leo, as with Blanche Dubois and E.I. DuPont. We got de Nemours correct, though.
Gil Fates writes in his book that Leo Durocher was the first person ever to appear twice as a mystery guest. His first appearance was on January 28 1951. Sadly that episode is lost to history.
I remember another episode of WML when Laraine Day was on the panel. This time they pranked her and another panelist (Chuck Connors) with Branch Rickey as the MG. At some point Laraine commented that she was hoping they didn't bring Leo on as the mystery guest again. She was referring to this episode.
Thank goodness they got rid of that ridiculous part where the contestants paraded themselves in front of the panelists - and later, exited behind John Charles Daly.
Yes, you have to wonder about these producers/directors sometime. They seem incapable of recognizing the fact that some of their ideas are foolish and boring. I'm glad they stopped the equally ridiculous free guesses.
I love that the first guest has a connection to the past of Steve Allen. It reminds me of the bit they do on Would I Lie To You where they introduce someone from the past of one of the panellists and they all have to come up with some connection they might have with this person. I think Rhett and Link also once did a bit like this where they had to guess the connection they had with some person they hadn't seen in a long time (a 3rd grade teacher, college classmate, etc).
With Barbara Kelly's presence on the panel, I found it amusing to think of what the guests might do in pantomiming their occupations (a la the BBC version of WML). "TV director" would have been cryptic; "alligator wrestler" would have been hilarious (where's Hal Block?); and "knitting teacher" would have been confusing. It could have been great!
Thank you for posting these old shows! I marvel at the acuity and ability of Dorothy Kilgallen, when she us on to pinpoint so many of the occupations. It's nice to see Steve Allen in his early years. What a brilliant man and quick wit he was. And speaking of with I had no idea how incredibly funny Arlene Frances was!! Bennet Cerf would probably get his kicks Cerfing the web if he were alive today. (Ouch. I know. That was a bad pun!) I love his wit as well. And Fred Allen!! Oh my heavens! What a funny intelligent man he was as well as Steve Allen. I just finished reading Much Ado About Me and loved it. It was like taking a tour through the ins and outs of Vaudeville. I will start Treadmill to Oblivion in a week. And I love John Daly!! His ability to answer a question with such witty verbosity keeps me in stiches! Equally entertaining is how very much he enjoys watching the panelists struggle. He truly loved what he did.
I like both Hal Block and Steve Allen. It's interesting to see in this episode that Steve keeps resting his chin on his palm making his voice less clear. It's something Hal did a lot of. You'd think the producers might mention this to either men, especially in the TV industry
Barbara Kelly talks about "a saggar maker's bottom knocker". 21:50 That phrase was often used on the British version of WML, just like "Is it bigger than a breadbox?" was on the US. A saggar maker worked with pottery and a bottom knocker was his apprentice.
I couldn't even make out what she was saying, let alone figure out what it meant. Why am I not surprised that it would take someone from Sweden to help us Yanks understand the Queen's English? Thank you.
Johan Bengtsson I remember the Alamo. I remember the Maine. I remember Pearl Harbor. And now I remember 9/11. As a Yank I have no reason to remember Guy Fawkes Day. But I do remember a saying that British schoolchildren used to be taught but for which they have no use now: "A pint's a pound the world around." How ironic that the English no longer the English system of measurement. It's pretty much just us Americans who are keeping the faith.
Johan Bengtsson I knew there were a few other holdouts. Liberia, with its historic ties to the U.S. because of its founding through reverse migration (the name of its capital, Monrovia, in honor of the U.S. President at the time, James Monroe), makes sense. Attempts to convert to metric have been confusing to its citizens, especially their farmers. Like Americans, they have a system they are used to and aren't motivated to change. Myanmar was a puzzler, so I looked it up. Apparently there is a traditional Burmese system of measurement that is still quite common among the population of the country and is the official system. Government websites use both the Imperial system and metric system but neither of them is official. The Myanmar government has been preparing to adopt the International System of Units (i.e. metric) since Oct. 2013. So it is only a matter of time with them. Since they do very little trade with the U.S., it would make sense for them to move in the direction of metric, if they were to officially move away from their indigenous system.
In live (and live-on-tape) television, a director tells the technicians (camera operators, audio technicians, etc.) what to do and determines what shots will be taken and when. In rehearsals the director "blocks" the cameras and sometimes the talent as well.
I think I was the first to view this after it was uploaded! I don't believe I have ever before seen Leo Durocher, who was the husband of Laraine Day (spelled with one r). This relationship which was obviously so well known at the time that John Daly didn't have to mention it. This is another much appreciated addition to UA-cam. Thank you.
The first and only time I saw Leo Durocher was a few years ago on the Beverly Hillbillies. That's how I knew he was baseball player (I watched the Beverly Hillbillies for more than just a few years of course, but I never really paid attention to who he was before).
With that last one they were talking about it as if it were a product when in fact it was a service of teaching knitting. Daly should’ve redirected them.
Wayne Adams You are correct on average. Arlene is the most attractive, but not by enough to make up for Dorothy, whose many good qualities do not include beauty.
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Leo Durocher was apparently so well known at the time that his name didn't need to be superimposed on the screen or a name placard placed in front of him. (Obviously there were a few technical glitches involved here.)
Technology was in its earlier days regarding television. Perhaps equipment malfunctioned. I have seen other episodes where the name was displayed on the desk front rather than on the screen. Maybe it was common in the earlier shows ad and didn't appear on the screen until later. I'll have to be more observant.
Perhaps because they were visitors to the panel neither woman's mask fit well. I imagine if they tilted their heads just so they could see his face. Also, Queen Elizabeth is still on her throne on January 11, 2019!!
Hereditary royalty in the 21st Century. Is embarrassingly anachronistic. Like them or not, at least American “royalty” - Bezos, Musk, Gates, Zuck, Ellison, Page, Brin, Buffet - earned their positions and, in the context of WML, supplied wanted goods or services, and paid taxes.
Every time Steve Allen wears his glasses over his blindfold I laugh. It's like a joke your grandpa makes, the same way with the same delivery and it makes you silly 5 year old again.
+GCjerryusc Knowing Leo's reputation with women, it's a good thing for Laraine Day that she was there, otherwise it is likely that Leo would have gone home with Miss Kelly, Miss Cope or an audience member for that matter. Leo was still manager of the Dodgers when he married Laraine and it was quite scandalous. She was still married when there was a scene at her home where Leo and her husband were arguing over who she would spend the night with. When she got her divorce in California, the judge put a condition on the divorce that she wait at least a year before remarrying. She and Leo went down to Mexico and got married the next day. One of the reasons that Branch Rickey eventually got rid of Leo as manager of the Dodgers was because the CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) was threatening to pull their connection with the Dodgers and the Catholic Church leadership in NYC was speaking out strongly against it. With Brooklyn sometimes nicknamed "The City of Churches", that would have been disastrous for Dodgers attendance. The story goes that in 1948, Giants owner Horace Stoneham approached Rickey about having permission to sign Burt Shotton to manage the Giants, replacing Giants all-time great Mel Ott. Shotton had managed the Dodgers to the NL pennant in 1947 when Durocher was suspended from baseball for a year by Baseball Commissioner Happy Chandler. With Durocher reinstated, the Dodgers got off to a slow start and the pressure was on to get rid of Durocher. But the team was starting to come back. Even so, Rickey saw his opportunity to get rid of Durocher without firing him. When Stoneham met with him, Rickey told him he could have his choice, Shotton or Durocher. Stoneham knew that firing Ott would be unpopular, even though the Giants hadn't done well in the standings under him, having finished last in the 6 full years he managed them and never higher than third. So he jumped at Durocher because he knew that Leo would be one of the few people in baseball he could hire that Giants fans would feel good about. Yes, he was still in the same city with the same CYO and the same Catholic Church. It's a complicated story as to why he didn't have the same problems with them as Giants manager. But it has to do with three factors: a different area of NYC, a different fan base for the Giants, and most of all, a Dodger owner by the name of Walter O'Malley who was trying to undermine Branch Rickey (and was using Durocher as a pawn) was no longer using his influence with the Catholic Church in NYC to come down hard on Leo.
gcjerryusc There's a story that Leo told about how he was so successful with women. He did it in response to someone just as surprised as you, that someone who was getting old and paunchy and balding could be so successful, not only with women but with some of the most glamorous actresses and socialites. His answer was not even close to being SFW, so you will have to look it up. But the bottom line was that it would be surprising how many women of that type would respond positively to such an approach. Perhaps it's a reflection of the plastic nature of that world and those who inhabit it.
When he was first introduced, he mentioned that he was from Bayside, Long Island. That is located in the burrough of Queens which is located in the far eastern end of New York City, New York, USA.
The Giants did not play that day. I suspect that it rained that day (and the day before as there was no Giants game that day, either). The rain must have been a big disappointment to New Yorkers as that was Memorial Day weekend, Memorial Day still being celebrated on May 30 in those days. The big holiday weekends were prime attendance days for major league baseball teams, so much so that there was a rule for quite a while that each team must be at home for at least one of the three holiday weekends (or two if July 4th fell in the middle of the week), the third being Labor Day. The Giants played the Phillies at the Polo Grounds on Friday, May 29. They would have been scheduled to play them on Saturday and Sunday as well (perhaps a double header on Sunday). Later in the season (Saturday August 15 to Monday August 17) the Giants played three straight double headers at the Polo Grounds against the Phillies. The schedule would never have been drawn up that way. It was to make up the games lost to rain on this weekend.
In the listing for Bennett Cerf's first appearance on the panel of the British version of WML? it speculates that he might not be familiar with some British "lines" such as saggar makers bottom knocker, referred to here by Barbara Kelly.
they don't look as formidable without Dorothy. She was by far the best panelist, followed by Cerf. I personally never preferred Bennet's brat-like persona & his incessant barrage of sophomoric puns, but he sure was one of the best players. But Dorothy was just a notch above the others. Martin Gabel was pretty great too, especially when it came to sports
If you like vintage television memorabilia (newspaper ads, placards, videos), you might like this Facebook page covering the days of television in Cleveland. He has this Betty Cope segment on the page, too. facebook.com/pages/Cleveland-Classic-Media/245324499326?fref=ts
Barbara Kelly sure nails Bennett at 3:00. "Cut it out!" she says, as Bennett examines Betty Cope's hands, in parody of Dorothy's hand & coat label fetish. The British WML must have been less tolerant of such antics.
That was Barbara Kelly? I thought it was a very young Dave Coulier (whose mother was from Canada and he grew up on the Michigan side of the US-Canada border. (And yes, I know he wasn't born until 1959. There are times when I decide to not let pesky details get in the way of a witticism.)
I mean honestly, did Leo Durocher really think that the panel would recognize an even mildly disguised voice? His vocal choice of answering the questions was annoying.
@James Williams - considering Laraine Day was his wife at the time, I believe she would have probably recognised his voice no matter how well he may have tried to disguise it!?
Arlene did, yes. In the two weeks that Barbara Kelly was on the US panel, she was on the UK panel. Sadly, the episodes are believed to be lost, the only hints we have of the UK WML? are what Gary's already shown us.
This was about the 5th time Steve used the line " I think he's Garry Moores' barber" For a guy who wrote 4000 songs you'd think he could come up with a few original guesses
I never heard of these two women but I especially like Barbara Kelly. She reminds me of the woman Joan? who was a panelist on The Name's the Same. The questioning for the knitting guy was very confusing if not misleading. It was asked: "is it made of metal?" they answered 'no' ?? Where the needles made differently back then? Perhaps bone? 1953 was a very long time ago but only in human-years :)
corner moose Leo managed the Dodgers from 1935 thru part of the '48 season. He finished out the '48 season as manager of the NY Giants andmanaged them thru the 1955 season. He also managed the Cubs for several years in the '60's and then finished his managerial career with theAstros for a couple of season's in the early '70's.
There was a famous comeback for the Giants as they caught up with the Dodgers to win the pennant. Unfortunately we now know that the Giant batters knew upcoming pitches through the cheating of Leo Durocher!
This episode inspired me to look up the British version. I started watching an episode from 1957 but had to leave it after 6 minutes for there was not one laugh. It was extremely boring and dry. No fun to be had.
Who the hell wrestles alligators? Idiot, but then - long since dead. Probably not at the hands/claws/teeth of alligators. Times have changed - and most of us no longer think exploiting animals for entertainment is acceptable. Still a totally entertaining programme.
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Betty Cope was a legend here in Cleveland. She founded WVIZ 25, the first PBS station in Cleveland. I had the pleasure to meet her several times, lovely lady.
"Holy failed memory, Batman." If you hadn't posted this, I would've gone to the next show not remembering that Betty offered me one of my first TV jobs hosting a community affairs panel. Thanks!
I grew up in the Cleveland viewing area, but unfortunately don't remember Betty. It might be an indication of how sick and twisted I am, but my clearest recollection of local TV is Ghoulardi.
@@mikejschin Do you remember Captain Penny?
Yet, with all her accomplishments, Bennett didn’t think it was enough. He had to interrupt her exit to say that she was pretty, (as though that was all that really mattered.)
@@dutchtea8354 That name is vaguely familiar but I have no clear recollection of who it was.
It's nice to see the pleasantries and politeness of the old shows like What's my line. Contrast that with the Grammies recently.
I watch one every night... won't allow myself to binge... ha..Thank you so much for posting!
Me too! It’s very relaxing during stressful times.
I watch while doing a mild workout. Makes the ole body feel better.
An interesting note is that Arlene and Dorothy were in England attending the coronation of Elizabeth II and Arlene took Barbara Kelly's position on the panel of the UK Version of WML while over there. Knowing the way BBC preserved their archive, I'm sure that video evidence of that is long gone. It would be cool if footage of that still exists.
The BBC's seven-hour broadcast of the Coronation is still extant and was digitally remastered and repeated in 2013. The BBC have set up a website where you can see what was on TV or radio any day for many years past and on that you can see the BBC listings magazine Radio Times for the week in question as well. That cofirms Arlene Francis was on the BBC version of WML.
John was father of the year because of all the useful experience he had gained dealing with the panel.
This show is wonderful-- it really makes me laugh!!
I agree, it's a GREAT addition to UA-cam. :=)
I love the unintentional, but good-natured, humor that comes from questions that are so diametrically opposed to what the 'lines' are. On one episode, a panelist asked a dog-collar manufacturer if one of the female panelists could wear his product. You can imagine the howls of laughter from the audience!!
I love this show! These people were wonderful and classy!
I love this show❤️ it’s a much better era to be in
Barbara Kelly was an excellent replacement for Arlene Francis. She ask good Questions and was smart. I think she would have given the full measure of time gotten the last guest.
The quality of the audio for this one is fantastic!
Also, in the first game, was Ms. Betty Cope's "Line" was "Television Director"..One of the few women in that field..at WEWS-TV 5, at the time a CBS affiliate. In 1965 she founded WVIZ-TV 25, Cleveland's first UHF station and Public/Educational station, now part of PBS. Ms. Cope just passed away September 14, 2013 at the age of 87..
What was interesting... Barbara Kelly was on the English panel of WML, but she was actually CANADIAN!
I thought it was odd she was from the UK panel but didnt have an English accent, thanks for clearing that up :-)
That's why she didn't sound English! Couldn't work it out.
Interesting that it was easier to identify an alligator wrestler than a TV director.
A big husky guy with a tan from Florida with an unusual job, it almost screams alligator wrestler. I expected someone to guess it during the wild guessing. By the way, I live in South Florida.
It was a big scandal when Durocher married Laraine Day in 1947 because they were both divorcees. He was suspended from baseball for a year for allegedly associating with criminals.
He and a Dodgers security guard also beat up a heckler underneath the stands at Ebbets Field in 1945... that didn't help.
@z Looks you can't spell your name either Z?
@z Unfortunately in American English, be it the French names up near Acadia and Quebec or the ones of the Creoles and Cajuns down at the foot of the Big Muddy, we tend to spell Durocher as one word for Leo, as with Blanche Dubois and E.I. DuPont. We got de Nemours correct, though.
Gil Fates writes in his book that Leo Durocher was the first person ever to appear twice as a mystery guest. His first appearance was on January 28 1951. Sadly that episode is lost to history.
I remember another episode of WML when Laraine Day was on the panel. This time they pranked her and another panelist (Chuck Connors) with Branch Rickey as the MG. At some point Laraine commented that she was hoping they didn't bring Leo on as the mystery guest again. She was referring to this episode.
Thank goodness they got rid of that ridiculous part where the contestants paraded themselves in front of the panelists - and later, exited behind John Charles Daly.
Yes, you have to wonder about these producers/directors sometime. They seem incapable of recognizing the fact that some of their ideas are foolish and boring. I'm glad they stopped the equally ridiculous free guesses.
It was poor job done by Television director.😄
I love that the first guest has a connection to the past of Steve Allen. It reminds me of the bit they do on Would I Lie To You where they introduce someone from the past of one of the panellists and they all have to come up with some connection they might have with this person. I think Rhett and Link also once did a bit like this where they had to guess the connection they had with some person they hadn't seen in a long time (a 3rd grade teacher, college classmate, etc).
With Barbara Kelly's presence on the panel, I found it amusing to think of what the guests might do in pantomiming their occupations (a la the BBC version of WML). "TV director" would have been cryptic; "alligator wrestler" would have been hilarious (where's Hal Block?); and "knitting teacher" would have been confusing. It could have been great!
Thank you for posting these old shows!
I marvel at the acuity and ability of Dorothy Kilgallen, when she us on to pinpoint so many of the occupations.
It's nice to see Steve Allen in his early years. What a brilliant man and quick wit he was. And speaking of with I had no idea how incredibly funny Arlene Frances was!!
Bennet Cerf would probably get his kicks Cerfing the web if he were alive today. (Ouch. I know. That was a bad pun!) I love his wit as well.
And Fred Allen!! Oh my heavens! What a funny intelligent man he was as well as Steve Allen.
I just finished reading Much Ado About Me and loved it. It was like taking a tour through the ins and outs of Vaudeville. I will start Treadmill to Oblivion in a week.
And I love John Daly!! His ability to answer a question with such witty verbosity keeps me in stiches! Equally entertaining is how very much he enjoys watching the panelists struggle. He truly loved what he did.
I like both Hal Block and Steve Allen. It's interesting to see in this episode that Steve keeps resting his chin on his palm making his voice less clear. It's something Hal did a lot of. You'd think the producers might mention this to either men, especially in the TV industry
Barbara Kelly talks about "a saggar maker's bottom knocker". 21:50 That phrase was often used on the British version of WML, just like "Is it bigger than a breadbox?" was on the US. A saggar maker worked with pottery and a bottom knocker was his apprentice.
I couldn't even make out what she was saying, let alone figure out what it meant. Why am I not surprised that it would take someone from Sweden to help us Yanks understand the Queen's English? Thank you.
It's a phrase that sticks to your mind when you hear it, like "Remember, remember the 5th of November!".
Johan Bengtsson I remember the Alamo. I remember the Maine. I remember Pearl Harbor. And now I remember 9/11. As a Yank I have no reason to remember Guy Fawkes Day. But I do remember a saying that British schoolchildren used to be taught but for which they have no use now: "A pint's a pound the world around." How ironic that the English no longer the English system of measurement. It's pretty much just us Americans who are keeping the faith.
The US, Myanmar and Liberia are the only countries who haven't gone over to the Metric system... yet.
Johan Bengtsson I knew there were a few other holdouts. Liberia, with its historic ties to the U.S. because of its founding through reverse migration (the name of its capital, Monrovia, in honor of the U.S. President at the time, James Monroe), makes sense. Attempts to convert to metric have been confusing to its citizens, especially their farmers. Like Americans, they have a system they are used to and aren't motivated to change.
Myanmar was a puzzler, so I looked it up. Apparently there is a traditional Burmese system of measurement that is still quite common among the population of the country and is the official system. Government websites use both the Imperial system and metric system but neither of them is official. The Myanmar government has been preparing to adopt the International System of Units (i.e. metric) since Oct. 2013. So it is only a matter of time with them. Since they do very little trade with the U.S., it would make sense for them to move in the direction of metric, if they were to officially move away from their indigenous system.
great playlist! and so much fun!
Great show!
Mr. Woodworth looks like he finished wrestling an alligator just before the show.
Both ladies played well.
You're very welcome! And thank you for the spelling correction on Laraine Day's first name-- I've edited the description.
Leo Durocher was only 47 years old here. He looked far older.
Good God almighty.
Laraine Day knew Leo Durocher very well.
Ya think? Most husbands and wives do.
This show really gives you a reason to giggle .
In live (and live-on-tape) television, a director tells the technicians (camera operators, audio technicians, etc.) what to do and determines what shots will be taken and when. In rehearsals the director "blocks" the cameras and sometimes the talent as well.
No Disrespect towards the Gents one bit here tonite in saying the Ladies are (Absolutely) Beautiful.
I agree 💯 replace Dorothy with one of these beautiful woman after her being murdered😢
I think I was the first to view this after it was uploaded! I don't believe I have ever before seen Leo Durocher, who was the husband of Laraine Day (spelled with one r). This relationship which was obviously so well known at the time that John Daly didn't have to mention it. This is another much appreciated addition to UA-cam. Thank you.
Yes, the marriage was a well-known scandal as Laraine Day came w/i an inch of being convicted of bigamy!
Leo Durocher was nicknamed "Leo the Lip."
Day knew it was her husband. Her expression when she thought he said no to baseball gave it away.
The first and only time I saw Leo Durocher was a few years ago on the Beverly Hillbillies. That's how I knew he was baseball player
(I watched the Beverly Hillbillies for more than just a few years of course, but I never really paid attention to who he was before).
Leo Durocher was also on an episode of "The Munsters" where Herman Munster tries out for the Dodgers.
He was also a semi-professional golfer. He endorsed a line of clubs with his signature on them.
Leo had some balls, pun intended, as he went by his wife he muffed her hair. Most women at that time did NOT want her hair messed with.
I forgot how good looking Miss Day is. I'll have to check out her movies.
With that last one they were talking about it as if it were a product when in fact it was a service of teaching knitting. Daly should’ve redirected them.
Leo Durocher was born July 27, 1905, so had not yet reached his 48th birthday. I was a bit startled when he answered that he was under 50.
The female panelists just got much much better looking. Wow!
Wayne Adams You are correct on average. Arlene is the most attractive, but not by enough to make up for Dorothy, whose many good qualities do not include beauty.
Loraine Day is a doll.
Interesting that Durocher managed 2 of baseball,s biggest rivals , Dodgers and Giants.
Leo "the lip" Durocher also appeared on the Munsters i recall.
Yea he did, and a hilarious episode at that!
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Laraine Day. Such a stunning beauty!
Laraine Day - American actress 1920 - 2007 and Barbara Kelly Canadian - British actress 1924 - 2007
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Leo Durocher was apparently so well known at the time that his name didn't need to be superimposed on the screen or a name placard placed in front of him. (Obviously there were a few technical glitches involved here.)
Technology was in its earlier days regarding television. Perhaps equipment malfunctioned.
I have seen other episodes where the name was displayed on the desk front rather than on the screen. Maybe it was common in the earlier shows ad and didn't appear on the screen until later. I'll have to be more observant.
Interesting when someone had a job unusual for their gender. Men were not usually into knitting.
there was a time a man teaching knitting didn't cause eyebrows to raise
Perhaps because they were visitors to the panel neither woman's mask fit well. I imagine if they tilted their heads just so they could see his face.
Also, Queen Elizabeth is still on her throne on January 11, 2019!!
Hereditary royalty in the 21st Century. Is embarrassingly anachronistic. Like them or not, at least American “royalty” - Bezos, Musk, Gates, Zuck, Ellison, Page, Brin, Buffet - earned their positions and, in the context of WML, supplied wanted goods or services, and paid taxes.
@igkoigko9950 You are talking out of your anus. Many counties still have the monarchy.
Every time Steve Allen wears his glasses over his blindfold I laugh. It's like a joke your grandpa makes, the same way with the same delivery and it makes you silly 5 year old again.
The lovely Laraine Day never smoked, drank or cursed ... yet she married the total opposite in Leo Durocher. Love is truly blind.
It's scary to think I am the same age as Leo Durocher was on this.
I found it odd that Leo just shook hands with his wife as he greeted the panel.
+GCjerryusc
Knowing Leo's reputation with women, it's a good thing for Laraine Day that she was there, otherwise it is likely that Leo would have gone home with Miss Kelly, Miss Cope or an audience member for that matter.
Leo was still manager of the Dodgers when he married Laraine and it was quite scandalous. She was still married when there was a scene at her home where Leo and her husband were arguing over who she would spend the night with. When she got her divorce in California, the judge put a condition on the divorce that she wait at least a year before remarrying. She and Leo went down to Mexico and got married the next day. One of the reasons that Branch Rickey eventually got rid of Leo as manager of the Dodgers was because the CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) was threatening to pull their connection with the Dodgers and the Catholic Church leadership in NYC was speaking out strongly against it. With Brooklyn sometimes nicknamed "The City of Churches", that would have been disastrous for Dodgers attendance.
The story goes that in 1948, Giants owner Horace Stoneham approached Rickey about having permission to sign Burt Shotton to manage the Giants, replacing Giants all-time great Mel Ott. Shotton had managed the Dodgers to the NL pennant in 1947 when Durocher was suspended from baseball for a year by Baseball Commissioner Happy Chandler. With Durocher reinstated, the Dodgers got off to a slow start and the pressure was on to get rid of Durocher. But the team was starting to come back.
Even so, Rickey saw his opportunity to get rid of Durocher without firing him. When Stoneham met with him, Rickey told him he could have his choice, Shotton or Durocher. Stoneham knew that firing Ott would be unpopular, even though the Giants hadn't done well in the standings under him, having finished last in the 6 full years he managed them and never higher than third. So he jumped at Durocher because he knew that Leo would be one of the few people in baseball he could hire that Giants fans would feel good about.
Yes, he was still in the same city with the same CYO and the same Catholic Church. It's a complicated story as to why he didn't have the same problems with them as Giants manager. But it has to do with three factors: a different area of NYC, a different fan base for the Giants, and most of all, a Dodger owner by the name of Walter O'Malley who was trying to undermine Branch Rickey (and was using Durocher as a pawn) was no longer using his influence with the Catholic Church in NYC to come down hard on Leo.
gcjerryusc There's a story that Leo told about how he was so successful with women. He did it in response to someone just as surprised as you, that someone who was getting old and paunchy and balding could be so successful, not only with women but with some of the most glamorous actresses and socialites. His answer was not even close to being SFW, so you will have to look it up. But the bottom line was that it would be surprising how many women of that type would respond positively to such an approach. Perhaps it's a reflection of the plastic nature of that world and those who inhabit it.
I wonder WHERE the last contestant teached knitting...? It would have been interesting to know.
When he was first introduced, he mentioned that he was from Bayside, Long Island. That is located in the burrough of Queens which is located in the far eastern end of New York City, New York, USA.
The Giants did not play that day. I suspect that it rained that day (and the day before as there was no Giants game that day, either). The rain must have been a big disappointment to New Yorkers as that was Memorial Day weekend, Memorial Day still being celebrated on May 30 in those days. The big holiday weekends were prime attendance days for major league baseball teams, so much so that there was a rule for quite a while that each team must be at home for at least one of the three holiday weekends (or two if July 4th fell in the middle of the week), the third being Labor Day.
The Giants played the Phillies at the Polo Grounds on Friday, May 29. They would have been scheduled to play them on Saturday and Sunday as well (perhaps a double header on Sunday). Later in the season (Saturday August 15 to Monday August 17) the Giants played three straight double headers at the Polo Grounds against the Phillies. The schedule would never have been drawn up that way. It was to make up the games lost to rain on this weekend.
Does your husband ever get a word in?
In the listing for Bennett Cerf's first appearance on the panel of the British version of WML? it speculates that he might not be familiar with some British "lines" such as saggar makers bottom knocker, referred to here by Barbara Kelly.
they don't look as formidable without Dorothy. She was by far the best panelist, followed by Cerf. I personally never preferred Bennet's brat-like persona & his incessant barrage of sophomoric puns, but he sure was one of the best players. But Dorothy was just a notch above the others. Martin Gabel was pretty great too, especially when it came to sports
I never realized fully how much Dorothy brought to the show until................
She looks so sweet and even beautiful at times. Very intelligent.
Lol that was awesome
Is the BBC/UK footage of the show also still all around and watchable?
If you like vintage television memorabilia (newspaper ads, placards, videos), you might like this Facebook page covering the days of television in Cleveland. He has this Betty Cope segment on the page, too.
facebook.com/pages/Cleveland-Classic-Media/245324499326?fref=ts
Barbara Kelly sure nails Bennett at 3:00. "Cut it out!" she says, as Bennett examines Betty Cope's hands, in parody of Dorothy's hand & coat label fetish. The British WML must have been less tolerant of such antics.
That was Barbara Kelly? I thought it was a very young Dave Coulier (whose mother was from Canada and he grew up on the Michigan side of the US-Canada border. (And yes, I know he wasn't born until 1959. There are times when I decide to not let pesky details get in the way of a witticism.)
AFAIK, they had no walk of shame, just the mimes at the beginning showing what they did.
The British version didn't have the walk or the free guess , the guests did a little mime of their occupations
I mean honestly, did Leo Durocher really think that the panel would recognize an even mildly disguised voice? His vocal choice of answering the questions was annoying.
@James Williams - considering Laraine Day was his wife at the time, I believe she would have probably recognised his voice no matter how well he may have tried to disguise it!?
Both Laraine Day and Barbara Kelly died in 2007. Did Arlene or Dorothy ever appear on the British version of WML?
Arlene did, yes. In the two weeks that Barbara Kelly was on the US panel, she was on the UK panel. Sadly, the episodes are believed to be lost, the only hints we have of the UK WML? are what Gary's already shown us.
WOW !
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Panel is Sans Dorothy Kilgallan and Arlene Francis (!)🤯😮
...VERY.. Weird .....
They were so important that they attended the formal coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in London, England, UK.
@RonGerstein
Thank You for the Info Ron. 👍🙏
This was about the 5th time Steve used the line " I think he's Garry Moores' barber" For a guy who wrote 4000 songs you'd think he could come up with a few original guesses
He did this because Garry Moore always had a crew cut. The contestants he said this too had crew cuts also.
Poof there goes poppa Daly :))) In the meantime, that queen is still there, not very surprising, since royalty is known to be rather conservative....
13:38 Sure Steve was trying to be funny, but he didn't think much of Bennet's "Intelligence". it shows.
I never heard of these two women but I especially like Barbara Kelly. She reminds me of the woman Joan? who was a panelist on The Name's the Same.
The questioning for the knitting guy was very confusing if not misleading. It was asked: "is it made of metal?" they answered 'no' ?? Where the needles made differently back then? Perhaps bone?
1953 was a very long time ago but only in human-years :)
Yes, Daly, in his sometimes weird way, decided the product involved was the final result-the woolen-& not the in use product related to the knitting.
Joan Alexander was the "The Name's The Same" panelist for its entire four year run on television
Well, this episode proves I don't know everything. I thought Leo Durocher was still manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers at this time.
corner moose Leo managed the Dodgers from 1935 thru part of the '48 season. He finished out the '48 season as manager of the NY Giants andmanaged them thru the 1955 season. He also managed the Cubs for several years in the '60's and then finished his managerial career with theAstros for a couple of season's in the early '70's.
There was a famous comeback for the Giants as they caught up with the Dodgers to win the pennant. Unfortunately we now know that the Giant batters knew upcoming pitches through the cheating of Leo Durocher!
This episode inspired me to look up the British version. I started watching an episode from 1957 but had to leave it after 6 minutes for there was not one laugh. It was extremely boring and dry. No fun to be had.
I think Steve Allen wearing the eye glasses over his mask gag is getting REAL old. To me it stopped being funny about 5 times ago.
Funny, that's what I immediately thought, too.
In 1953, it was still new.
14:54 Who?
Who the hell wrestles alligators? Idiot, but then - long since dead. Probably not at the hands/claws/teeth of alligators. Times have changed - and most of us no longer think exploiting animals for entertainment is acceptable. Still a totally entertaining programme.
+Robert Jones I lived in Florida in the 70s and they were still wrestling those nasty creatures!
Poor alligators.. such friendly and nice animals
Poor alligators.. such friendly and nice animals
it is not a fight to the death. the alligator does not get abused. sometimes, he even wins and gets an arm or head as a trophy.
🙄 OP
The alligator guy looked pissed they got the answer.
Markxxx
Wel Bennett was toying with him
Probably needed the fifty bucks!