Bad Balance: SF4 Ryu's Metsu Shoryuken

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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @CoreAGaming
    @CoreAGaming 3 роки тому +2623

    I feel like u2 was meant for styling on your opponent, lol.

    • @happycamperds9917
      @happycamperds9917 3 роки тому +169

      I haven’t watched much SSF4 but I remember some commentators losing it when it landed.

    • @Junpei_1iori
      @Junpei_1iori 3 роки тому +144

      It's a power move picking u2

    • @DaigosFriend1
      @DaigosFriend1 3 роки тому +221

      People don't die when they are killed, they die when they are styled on.

    • @Game-bt8ig
      @Game-bt8ig 3 роки тому +16

      That is a niche missing from ryus ultra 1

    • @Splozy
      @Splozy 3 роки тому +7

      Thank you for including melee in your videos ❤️

  • @denjin_hado
    @denjin_hado 4 роки тому +2234

    Yeah but it looks cool, tho 👀

  • @Kiladahut
    @Kiladahut 4 роки тому +935

    Ryu using DP > FADC > Ultra 1 was so ubiquitous its used as the finisher to Ken & Ryu's Super attack in Project cross Zone.
    Check it out. Its rather neat.

    • @ZorroCeleste1
      @ZorroCeleste1 4 роки тому +136

      And in PxZ2, Zero has the Sougennmu+Raikousen loop from Marvel vs. Capcom.

    • @PokeDude1995
      @PokeDude1995 4 роки тому +46

      @@ZorroCeleste1 that's the zoop zoop right

    • @ZorroCeleste1
      @ZorroCeleste1 4 роки тому +16

      @@PokeDude1995 - Shoryuken motion + Light Attack, while in the air.
      The thunder thingy.

    • @deadfr0g
      @deadfr0g 4 роки тому +10

      @@PokeDude1995 Is that a bumble bee??

    • @montelhelem8707
      @montelhelem8707 4 роки тому +33

      Y'all and that damn fighting game lingo 😂

  • @jeremygregorio7472
    @jeremygregorio7472 4 роки тому +899

    The upper cut makes everyone look like Popeye

    • @Negajoe
      @Negajoe 4 роки тому +41

      Except the ladies, anyhow.

    • @Danyu91
      @Danyu91 4 роки тому +30

      Not sure who has the most popeye look. I think Fei Long and Sagat a contenders

    • @TurboNemesis
      @TurboNemesis 3 роки тому +17

      Ryu Ultra 2 and Hugo Ultra 2 result in the best bug eyes ever seen in a videogame

    • @Aarush6026
      @Aarush6026 3 роки тому +2

      Expect for Seth

    • @zingerific8209
      @zingerific8209 3 роки тому +2

      Only on male characters

  • @cluelesslawdamercyruthless6865
    @cluelesslawdamercyruthless6865 4 роки тому +485

    As someone who used to have no footsies and relied on jumpins as movement, This move was my kyptonite.

    • @PuffballPlayz
      @PuffballPlayz 3 роки тому +161

      The mixup was that you jumped in for the 4th time in a row instead of attacking

    • @blackmage6842
      @blackmage6842 3 роки тому +18

      As someone who played Dudley and Steve.. Ehh it was fine.

  • @RashidAlawadhi
    @RashidAlawadhi 4 роки тому +820

    U2's entire prupose is to be the best looking Ultra in the game.

    • @blueicydasani4543
      @blueicydasani4543 4 роки тому +100

      Oni's looks even cooler

    • @Chun-believable
      @Chun-believable 4 роки тому +60

      And it can’t even do that. Poor Ultra 2.

    • @inf_5612
      @inf_5612 3 роки тому +3

      @@blueicydasani4543 oh hello there Dasani

    • @blueicydasani4543
      @blueicydasani4543 3 роки тому +1

      @@inf_5612 Oh wassup

    • @zexal-zb1ud
      @zexal-zb1ud 3 роки тому +57

      so we're gonna pretend that oni and evil ryu's ultra 2's don't exist

  • @Rizzo91
    @Rizzo91 4 роки тому +505

    I feel like the whole point of the u2 was for newer players to have a cool ultra for Ryu that did a lot of damage if they hadn't learned how to FADC yet. We all know they were always trying to hit this ultra on wake up lol.

    • @Anomaly188
      @Anomaly188 3 роки тому +15

      Except Shoryu FADC Ultra 1 is one of the easiest FADC links in the game. You could learn it in like 20 minutes.

    • @tootsie_
      @tootsie_ 3 роки тому +198

      @@Anomaly188 you overestimate casual FG players

    • @Anomaly188
      @Anomaly188 3 роки тому +5

      @@tootsie_ I consider myself a casual and I can do it.

    • @AramesiaToken
      @AramesiaToken 3 роки тому +76

      @@tootsie_ can confirm. Played USFIV for 2 years with my scrub friends and we never ever used FADC untill Tekken 7 lol

    • @ZorroCeleste1
      @ZorroCeleste1 3 роки тому +5

      You don't U2 on wakeup?

  • @zerograv185
    @zerograv185 4 роки тому +662

    So ryu neva do upacut
    Not even simtimes

    • @Bafael
      @Bafael  4 роки тому +190

      Lowkey best comment

    • @THEVIGILANTEHD
      @THEVIGILANTEHD 4 роки тому +59

      @@Bafael this reminded me of Chris Hu commentary back in the day.
      "If u no scah i no scah"

    • @Desynchronised
      @Desynchronised 4 роки тому +8

      @@Bafael I’d never forget that CMV you did....
      3 bars for one juggle of ultra

    • @Rex-golf_player810
      @Rex-golf_player810 4 роки тому +4

      @@Bafael pretty highkey to me ngl

    • @slimballs9650
      @slimballs9650 3 роки тому +2

      @@Bafael
      I'm sorry if I am a bit late, but I think I know how Ryu's U2 can be improved. Please provide feedback to the changes I describe here:
      1) Allow for midair connects into cinematic Ultra 2 as long as the first hit lands. This would allow him to combo Super into (cinematic) Ultra 2 on cornered opponents.
      -2) Reduce the startup to 4 frames, making it on par with the fastest Ultras in the game. This, along with the previous change, allows him to combo Super into (cinematic) Ultra 2 on cornered opponents.-
      2) Increase the damage so that it does at least 50%+ damage to any character. This might be a tad bit overkill, but this and the previous changes ties into the major change.
      3) Holding 3 kicks upon activation will not perform the attack immediately, but will instead initiate a parry much like his VT2 parry in SFV. It can parry basically anything that's not a (command) throw or a projectile. If a hit is successfully parried, Ryu will retaliate with a version much like the cinematic version, but this version comes out on frame 1 and has complete invincibility, meaning that he only needs to parry one hit of a multi-hit attack (e.g. E. Honda's slaps) for the counterattack to activate. As a result, this gives him a pseudo-counter Ultra that does more than half-health to any character if properly executed. (Grapplers and Low-HP characters beware!) Naturally, releasing 3 kicks prematurely will have Ryu perform the attack, allowing him to do things like DP > EX FADC > (hold) U2.
      Overall, this would fully round out Ryu's kit, giving Ryu two Ultras that serve different niches to match with other characters. Both can end combos decently well. However, U1 gives him a projectile that: a) can be used way more consistently for ending combos, and b) doesn't require as much meter investment to use, while U2 gives him a much more powerful option that: a) serves as an anti-air and as well as a counter, making U2 a rare occasion of a non-command throw Ultra that may be worth using raw.

  • @Lenoh
    @Lenoh 4 роки тому +157

    7:27 That damage though

  • @NonRandomUser
    @NonRandomUser 4 роки тому +84

    Thank you for speeding up the Ultra portions, rather than letting them play out at normal speed or cutting them out entirely.

  • @christophernguyen8260
    @christophernguyen8260 4 роки тому +515

    There’s actually one more setup of Ryu’s U2 that hardly anyone uses: it’s a link off of counter hit crouch strong. It’s still restricted though.

    • @Breeze06
      @Breeze06 4 роки тому +13

      Is remember WA Solid doing that once.

    • @christophernguyen8260
      @christophernguyen8260 4 роки тому +24

      @@rleften5788 I’m not sure if a meaty crouch strong on the opponent’s wakeup gives enough plus frame for a link to Metsu Shoryuken. Even the counter hit link I mentioned is a one frame link unfortunately.

    • @deadfr0g
      @deadfr0g 4 роки тому +1

      @@christophernguyen8260 Oh, that’s weird. Can you plink an ultra input?? Like if you press 3P+LK, do you get the ultra or does a throw come out?

    • @christophernguyen8260
      @christophernguyen8260 4 роки тому +15

      @@deadfr0g You can since ultra motions have the highest priority. For Metsu Shoryuken, the input should be 2x qcf KKK plinked into whatever button you want because KKK has the highest priority over all other normals.

    • @motmontheinternet
      @motmontheinternet 4 роки тому +8

      @@deadfr0g There's no reason whatsoever to plink an ultra input because of negative edge. You get two frames to land the ultra by just tapping the button instead of holding it down.

  • @goon5665
    @goon5665 4 роки тому +404

    Basically the reason why metsu shoryu is bad.
    Every place you can put it, you can put a normal shoryu into ultra 1 there, and you miss out on other combos.

    • @THENAMEISQUICKMAN
      @THENAMEISQUICKMAN 4 роки тому +49

      And you might *maybe* get a tiny bit more damage if you're lucky in some of the places you can put it compared to Ultra 1. Basically, Ultra 2 is your scrub killer Ultra. It's the Ultra you pick when you just think your opponent might fuck up.

    • @goon5665
      @goon5665 4 роки тому +17

      @@THENAMEISQUICKMAN or like doing raw ultra

    • @gundamxzero3
      @gundamxzero3 3 роки тому +10

      @@THENAMEISQUICKMAN this is true. I never used it much when I played sf4 regularly but now I only find myself playing it in the arcade with random people. its a lot easier to use than fadc ultra 1 for me since I'm always out of practice when I play and I play on pad not stick.

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 3 роки тому +13

      Which ended up being the exact dilemma that he explained in his Blue Nocturne video (anything you can do with SA3, you can do with SA2 along with anything else SA2 was good at anyway).

  • @GoonCommander
    @GoonCommander 3 роки тому +274

    I think Ryu, A character known for very little change, fits having only one real Ultra. But the second Ultra definitely feels like a "I don't need Ultra 1 to beat you, you're predictable" kind of thing

    • @tammid8423
      @tammid8423 2 роки тому +25

      Shame he didn't get any mix-up or setup stuff like Denjin tho

    • @justsomeweirdperson
      @justsomeweirdperson 11 місяців тому +8

      ​@@tammid8423ryu canonically didnt learn denjin, shin shoryuken, or donkey kick until after sf4. its implied that gouken taught them to him in the time between 4 and 5, as you can see gouken use all 3 in sf4 (donkey kick is his focus animation)
      it wouldve been nice if he had a setup ultra 2 tho

    • @Nhan6241
      @Nhan6241 10 місяців тому +1

      @@justsomeweirdpersonDidn’t Ryu has Shin/Metsu Shoryuken in Alpha 3?

    • @kyuketsukirook
      @kyuketsukirook 9 місяців тому

      @@Nhan6241He did

    • @justsomeweirdperson
      @justsomeweirdperson 9 місяців тому +3

      @@Nhan6241 after looking it up he does, and i have no idea what the deal with alpha 3 is

  • @semy28nfs
    @semy28nfs 3 роки тому +71

    Ryus weakness was to not have an awesome looking ultra and they fixed that.

  • @saviorofseals5111
    @saviorofseals5111 4 роки тому +469

    Eighteen minutes on a shoryuken? I'm going to enjoy this

    • @OccuredJakub12
      @OccuredJakub12 4 роки тому +97

      It's a hidden Metsu Hadoken tutorial actually

    • @burkshomemadememes
      @burkshomemadememes 4 роки тому +26

      @@OccuredJakub12 Bafael has the best shimmy in sf4 confirmed

  • @boyikaruz8415
    @boyikaruz8415 4 роки тому +223

    Your thumbnail makes it like you were gonna be like shitting and getting angry at capcom but turns out you were calm as hell during the video lol

    • @steelpython6634
      @steelpython6634 4 роки тому +27

      Baf is always super chill.

    • @TheEvilCheesecake
      @TheEvilCheesecake 4 роки тому +7

      First Baf video for you pal?

    • @boyikaruz8415
      @boyikaruz8415 4 роки тому +6

      @@TheEvilCheesecake yupp

    • @scatman1236
      @scatman1236 4 роки тому +7

      That's why we like, he's calm, composed, and very wise in what he does. Like Oro!

    • @SaiKisaragi
      @SaiKisaragi 3 роки тому +8

      @@steelpython6634 Honestly, I don't even play usfiv online, because I'm trash. But I watch his videos because after a day of getting bodied in both Calc II and League, baf's voice and chill demeanor really calms me down c:
      (I don't know why I'm even commenting lol)

  • @TheKnightguard1
    @TheKnightguard1 4 роки тому +88

    Woah, was literally just watching the Elena one. Nice upload!

    • @IanST0
      @IanST0 4 роки тому +1

      A fellow Ippo fan, hello!

    • @TheKnightguard1
      @TheKnightguard1 4 роки тому +1

      @@IanST0 I love getting comments on this avatar. Hello friend!

    • @IanST0
      @IanST0 4 роки тому +1

      @@TheKnightguard1 Have a great year!

  • @Ryusuta
    @Ryusuta 4 роки тому +117

    The sped-up Ultra 1s made me chuckle. XD

    • @seanr.6498
      @seanr.6498 3 роки тому +5

      Literally, "Ryu Ultra 1 go brrrrr."

  • @NeoBoneGirl
    @NeoBoneGirl 4 роки тому +163

    Funnily enough, the reason this is bad still hasn’t stopped Capcom from making the same mistake lol. Plenty of VT and VS 2’s in V are very clearly afterthoughts, with the character being designed around having the 1st one be core to their kit. I mean, hell, even in 3S there are so many cases where one super is heads and shoulders above the rest, seems Capcom has had trouble making picking super moves balanced for quite a while lol

    • @kyshowman6847
      @kyshowman6847 4 роки тому +23

      The story of Twelve is one with much suffering then as an example of Capcom’s conflicting balancing plans.

    • @NeoBoneGirl
      @NeoBoneGirl 4 роки тому +54

      @@kyshowman6847 Twelve is just an aspect of 3S having quite bad balance, not Capcom being very bad at balancing a character's supers against each other

    • @NeoBoneGirl
      @NeoBoneGirl 3 роки тому +48

      @@Nihiliste- Honestly now, I think SFV is about as good as any other SF game, it just depends on what you want from a fighting game

    • @NeoBoneGirl
      @NeoBoneGirl 3 роки тому +49

      @@Nihiliste- All SF games have flawed design, it’s just about which flaws you’re willing to tolerate

    • @NeoBoneGirl
      @NeoBoneGirl 3 роки тому +37

      @@Nihiliste- Seems like you have some weird vendetta against games where zoning isn’t good (Isn’t 3S Chun like the best character in the game and the one who plays keepaway anyway) that you need to sort out yourself

  • @orlof507
    @orlof507 4 роки тому +56

    It was great for us noobs, it was great to punish those kens spamming heavy shoryukens

  • @MacAves
    @MacAves 4 роки тому +72

    I would like to suggest two characters that are at opposite ends of the spectrum of balance.
    1. The GOOD broken one: Street Fighter Alpha 2 Rose.
    2. The BAD broken one: Street Fighter Alpha 3 R.Mika.

    • @meathir4921
      @meathir4921 3 роки тому +16

      No, I’d definitely Rose was pretty toxic. cMP is a god button and her Alpha Counter makes her obnoxious to pressure… when she’s a zoner?

    • @tammid8423
      @tammid8423 2 роки тому

      Why is Mika so bad tho
      Her weird normals, like with Shermie in KOF 2002?

  • @masone.9004
    @masone.9004 4 роки тому +51

    appreciated all the fast forwards lol. nice vid

  • @MrPomegranX
    @MrPomegranX 4 роки тому +216

    “For those of you who haven’t played SFIV”
    Oh... They exist?

    • @Bafael
      @Bafael  4 роки тому +194

      Some people call them " '16ers" but I prefer to think of them as proof of a healthy and growing FGC :>

    • @LOL-gn5oh
      @LOL-gn5oh 4 роки тому +35

      Yeah, the Smash kids.

    • @BigJay_
      @BigJay_ 4 роки тому +11

      I just never played SF, pc cant run sf5 and 3s is a fuckin hassle to play with friends cuz rom issues

    • @BigJay_
      @BigJay_ 4 роки тому +16

      I really enjoy reading up on data, history, and general info on the different games tho cuz its fun

    • @MrPomegranX
      @MrPomegranX 4 роки тому +10

      @@LOL-gn5oh Lol I play smash comp as well. But it really is weird how much some of them struggle with inputs

  • @nicky7685
    @nicky7685 4 роки тому +19

    The quintessential wake-up-ultra ultra.

  • @BknMoonStudios
    @BknMoonStudios 3 роки тому +6

    Jesus, the animation and sound design of the Metsu Shoryuken make it seem like a Mortal Kombat move.
    So visceral and crunchy. Love it. ❤

  • @coolbad96
    @coolbad96 4 роки тому +4

    I really love these series and videos man. I'm a fighting game noob but been playing casually with friends for 15 years now. Your explanations really help me the nuances of these balance problems.

  • @Jyxero
    @Jyxero 4 роки тому +6

    Last SF I played was Alpha 3 on my ps1 more than a decade ago, and I still follow this kind of content... while I can't fully appreciate the video, all I can say is good job

  • @DipreG
    @DipreG 4 роки тому +6

    I sure goddamn did enjoy. This video is a masterclass in the intricacies of fighting game mechanics design.

  • @spencermcbride3881
    @spencermcbride3881 2 роки тому +12

    I always thought evil ryus ultra 2 had the coolest animation in the game. The way hw opens his hand while in the air and gathers energy and then just smashes into the opponent. And the the purple energy explosion that follows his arm is awesome

  • @dmas7749
    @dmas7749 3 роки тому +6

    while i don't play SF i'm pretty into game design and this is a great reference for why usually more options/utility > more damage

  • @kangstakangsta
    @kangstakangsta 4 роки тому +7

    What a fun and informative video. Thanks for the hard work!

  • @G0D777
    @G0D777 2 роки тому +3

    What’s funny to me is that this is a 30 minute video of a whole bunch of things that I won’t understand but I continue to watch anyways I don’t know what your voice is made out of but it’s doing something right

  • @TechnicSky
    @TechnicSky 2 роки тому +7

    Hadouken spam after building Ultra. The Opponent jumps. GG.

    • @RoundShades
      @RoundShades 9 місяців тому +2

      This is one situation you'd score that extra damage. You'd have to land it raw as a punish, basically just as hard as raging demon.

  • @hori83
    @hori83 3 роки тому +3

    Man, I play for around ten years and you still showed me something new with my main.

  • @Kotaneth
    @Kotaneth 4 роки тому +3

    In love with this series, and appreciate the speedups to make the video less tedious to watch.

  • @DaigosFriend1
    @DaigosFriend1 4 роки тому +3

    Just wanna say I've been a fan for a long time but just a lurking viewer. You're one of my inspirations to make my own content.

  • @SpitefulAZ
    @SpitefulAZ 4 роки тому +4

    Great video. You analyzed the problems with Ultra 2 so well, I wish the developers would comment and explain their decisions. I understand making the animated version of ultra 2 difficult to land, but why not make the non animated versions do decent damage so it's at least more viable.

  • @DeputyStagg
    @DeputyStagg 4 роки тому +4

    Just want to say what a great series this is, and focusing on a move in paticular is a great idea for more topics rather than a whole character that overall is fine.

  • @TheZeroDozer
    @TheZeroDozer 4 роки тому +6

    That was a nice study of the balance around Ryu's Metsu Shoryuken.

  • @satz112
    @satz112 4 роки тому +41

    i think ultra 2 is more noob friendly, easy AA without the need to combo

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH Рік тому +1

      Problem is if you can hit anyone with it once they'll NEVER fall for it again.
      Plus you can still use Ultra 1 that way too, just with a regular Shoryuken.

    • @ougonce
      @ougonce Рік тому +1

      I feel like anti air ultra is too much to ask from a new player. They have enough trouble doing anti air cr.hp as it is :p

    • @6die9ne
      @6die9ne 6 місяців тому

      makes sense for Ryu too, since he's probably the character you've heard the most about in SF and thus the one you'll pick first

  • @WarlockLov3
    @WarlockLov3 4 роки тому +17

    more from one of my fav youtubers? dont mind if i do.

  • @niggaassproductions9073
    @niggaassproductions9073 4 роки тому +1

    your sf4 and sf3 videos are the best
    i liked how you fast forward the ultra animatons instead of skipping it this time around

  • @avengedguy
    @avengedguy 4 роки тому +16

    When I started playing SF 4 I picked Juri and never looked back. No regrets.

  • @ogre589
    @ogre589 10 місяців тому +2

    For the short time I played USF4, Ryu's Ultra was my personal go to. Not for meta uses or anything like that, but because it was so satisfying to patiently wait out an opponents attack and when they think they can catch me with their melee Ultras, I catch them with MS. I think Balrog was my prefered opponent because unless they were experienced players, I could easily see the Ultra coming and whip out my U2 for the win.

  • @caelan5301
    @caelan5301 3 роки тому +4

    I've seen this video 5 times now and it's always interesting because there's always something I don't remember. Maybe it has to do with me being stoned out of my gourd every time I watch it.

  • @mansmo9513
    @mansmo9513 4 роки тому +26

    I used to pick ultra2 when playing against my brother, he always jumps when he's low on life XD

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 3 роки тому +2

      That's playing the meta, baby.

  • @paddyofurniture9523
    @paddyofurniture9523 4 роки тому +1

    Fast-forwarded Ryu Ultra 1 was the bes thing I never knew I needed. Great stuff as always, Baf

  • @ricniclas
    @ricniclas 4 роки тому +15

    I definitely enjoyed it! Opening the series to small problems rather than entire characters can give you more opportunities to talk about modern games

  • @gretch6825
    @gretch6825 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for all of the effort you put into these, Baf. By the time I'd started getting into the FGC, USF4 was on it's way out as SFV was releasing. Watching matches from back then is great, but the way you provide information and context is an under-represented but no less important piece of cataloguing the history. It does a lot of work helping newer people like me appreciate and understand what came before, I think.
    Can't wait for the next project you put out!

  • @tabhou7988
    @tabhou7988 4 роки тому +1

    The quality of these videos. I don't even play ryu but they're so insightful

  • @rushalias8511
    @rushalias8511 3 роки тому +5

    Back in school when we played usf4 we didn't play as competitively. It was simply who could block better have enough pressure and know just when to time the ultra and super for punish. Rarely could we actually combo into stuff.
    That being said one of the main way I fought was by timing the start of my ultra after another executed his.
    Basically it always went like they executed their move first and I'd use ultra 2 to knock them back.
    It was always cool when you can smash them like that

  • @Diaboloshadowkill
    @Diaboloshadowkill 4 роки тому +2

    This might be your best series, please more of it !

  • @BigDaddyKnez
    @BigDaddyKnez Рік тому +1

    7:43 ok, that tatsu flying straight towards the barraged opponent as it deals the finishing blow actually goes really hard. Would make cool for a CA of some shoto’s in SF6

  • @superbabybao
    @superbabybao 4 роки тому +1

    Wow I just discovered this series. Great for breakfast time. Thanks for the interesting discussions!

  • @leafworkmusic
    @leafworkmusic 4 роки тому +21

    The only thing you missed was Ryu cl.HK comboing into red focus. Combined with the fact that counterhit cr.MP can combo into cl.HK (or function as a frametrap), this gives Ryu a quite damaging combo opportunity. Not that this makes U2 much better, sadly.

  • @dr3wmedia667
    @dr3wmedia667 3 роки тому +11

    If Ryu's Ultra 2 had the same hit properties as Gouken's Ultra 1 he would've been top tier...just imagine Ryu with Gouken's Ultra 1...as far as juggling goes and the FADC Cancel

  • @refreshinglemonade3426
    @refreshinglemonade3426 3 роки тому

    I watch a random video in this series like twice every two weeks. It's a good informative topic to listen to late at night. Many thanks

  • @invincibleloonie
    @invincibleloonie 4 роки тому +23

    Bad Balance: Cammy and Fei Long Ultra 2

    • @MechaG
      @MechaG 4 роки тому +10

      Why couldn't they do what other fighting games dd to counter supers?

    • @Fujii64
      @Fujii64 4 роки тому +4

      @@MechaGCapcom designs street fighter games around what the previous game did wrong, sf3 parries were a big complaint at the time and turned off a lot of players, so that's why sf4 parries are mostly all hot garbage, and why it's more similar to sf2

    • @3417gekkou
      @3417gekkou 4 роки тому

      I don't think capcom has ever designed a good counter super

    • @ShadyHitchhiker
      @ShadyHitchhiker 4 роки тому

      Afaik It's purpose is to discourage mixups on your wakeup. So Viper burn kick, Fuerte splashes, Deejay (LOL) vortex.
      Similar how if you have an anti-fireball ultra stocked, you may never use it, but it might change how your opponent plays to your advantage

    • @devilhitman24
      @devilhitman24 4 роки тому +5

      They simply had to activate the flash AFTER the hit connected, having it before defeats the whole purpose.

  • @fzgn
    @fzgn 3 роки тому +2

    Great video as always Bafael! Can't wait for the next Bad Balance! These are so interesting to watch! I'm a Street Fighter fan first and foremost, but I would even watch this on Tekken or some other games and be fascinated. Hope you are staying happy and healthy. Have a great week.

  • @kenmast8391
    @kenmast8391 4 роки тому +2

    Your bad balance series is interesting. Nice job man.

  • @jcosmozd
    @jcosmozd Рік тому +2

    I normally pick Ultra 2 on Ryu, not because it is good, but because landing a Shin Shoryuken is a power move, it’s a way to assert dominance

  • @Ricko_SV
    @Ricko_SV 4 роки тому +1

    Love your balance/design videos, keep up the good work!

  • @pancho9425
    @pancho9425 2 роки тому

    Dude your content blows my dam mind, new to channel but im loving all of that you do.

  • @ShadyHitchhiker
    @ShadyHitchhiker 4 роки тому +1

    Great vid Baf. I always knew U2 was the red headed stepchild of Ryu's kit, but I didn't know it was also a changling

  • @noboty4168
    @noboty4168 4 роки тому +1

    I could listen to you explain anything and enjoy it.

  • @handless7677
    @handless7677 4 роки тому

    Love your videos dude, i've been trying to learn sf4, and you're one of the last content creators who still talk about it, and very thoroughly at that.

  • @sapolefrog1736
    @sapolefrog1736 4 роки тому +17

    I think baf is cool af

  • @SMAXZO
    @SMAXZO 4 роки тому +11

    You know, it kinda made sense as to why Ryu's always like middle of the road tier-wise. Ain't he supposed to be like a starter character for new players?

    • @dragonic22
      @dragonic22 24 дні тому

      So is Luke. But at SF6's launch, Luke was top 3

  • @BloodfelX
    @BloodfelX 2 роки тому +3

    So basically Metsu Shoryuken is if you are going for style. I guess because it is a cinematic super, having it be less useful means it gets used less often - making it more exciting when it happens.
    Though admittedly, it is probably one of the most hype finishing moves to a match - particularly in a comeback or if it manages to be used in or as a counter.

  • @ilostthecat6973
    @ilostthecat6973 4 роки тому +11

    I think an episode on balrog’s dirty bull could be interesting

  • @rud5101
    @rud5101 4 роки тому +17

    A.k.a. "Why I Use Evil Ryu Instead"

  • @SuperBart1989
    @SuperBart1989 4 роки тому +2

    bro, I wish I could analyze FGs as well as you show in your videos. I really admire your work

  • @CB66941
    @CB66941 4 роки тому +12

    Question (partially related); maybe it's just me, but I feel Ryu's supers in 3rd strike were a lot more viable. SA1 was the most picked, followed by SA3 then SA2.
    Which was weird in a game that saw most characters only ever having one good super and the rest are crap by comparison.
    Could you do a video on third strike Ryu's SA options?

    • @Bafael
      @Bafael  4 роки тому +6

      Already did it, here you go ua-cam.com/video/bdvDs0BcZYg/v-deo.html

  • @yeahhboii6685
    @yeahhboii6685 4 роки тому +2

    USF4 is my favorite fighting game i love videos about this game! Im also playing Oni,Evil Ryu,Gouken,Akuma,Seth in their boss modes its really fun!

  • @Archedgar
    @Archedgar 4 роки тому +2

    I don't even play SF4 and haven't touched fighting games in over a decade but these videos are so well made I still watch them anyway.
    Nice job.

  • @LazyMaybe
    @LazyMaybe 4 роки тому +1

    I know it's sort of outside the scope of 'balance', but if possible I'd be interested in seeing you talk about option selects in sf4.

  • @cristianaguiar4383
    @cristianaguiar4383 4 роки тому

    I like your videos so much that i started to look at your super old sf4 videos, i wish i saw them back in the days...

  • @akalyx
    @akalyx 4 роки тому

    great job on editing, it made seeing his ultra 30 times much more bearable

  • @Lipidman0
    @Lipidman0 4 роки тому +1

    6:04 He can also mid screen solar plexus > cl.mk x ex fb > U1 against 28/44 characters. Unfortunately it doesn't work on most of the high tiers which is kind of emblematic of Ryu's place at the low-high/high-mid tier

  • @AlphaLuna
    @AlphaLuna 3 роки тому +3

    This was my fav ult in the entire game easily,besides I couldn't stye fdac input xp, focus +ultra 2 felt so good to land

  • @Copperhell144
    @Copperhell144 4 роки тому

    Ooooh the Ultra fast forward effect is pretty nifty. I liked it better than the sudden skip

  • @anjoLas
    @anjoLas 4 роки тому

    USF, this is why I have this channel still subbed :P
    Thank's Bafael

  • @internetmovieguy
    @internetmovieguy 4 роки тому

    Nice a new bad balance video. whelp, i guess i will watch this on repeat until the next one comes out in 20 days.

  • @Rukir
    @Rukir 4 роки тому +1

    Now THIS is the kind of nerd-age that I love to see from you, Baf

  • @yugiohnerd22
    @yugiohnerd22 4 роки тому +10

    Will you be making any Bad Balance videos on SFV?
    I'd really enjoy seeing one on how terrible an idea it is for Vega to lose an entire stance at low health. FANG would also be a pretty obvious video, but seeing you delve into it in such detail would still be satisfying nonetheless.

  • @b33lze6u6
    @b33lze6u6 4 роки тому

    hey baf im a long time subscriber, im loving these recent bad balance videos

  • @ajkcool
    @ajkcool 4 роки тому +15

    Man, I wish you can speed up Ultra animations. Granted not like 300% like this video, but still.

  • @ildaphonse
    @ildaphonse 2 роки тому

    Thank you for speaking relatively quickly, there are other youtubers that talk so slow

  • @MakoShiruba
    @MakoShiruba 4 роки тому +6

    I never actually seen Metsu Shoryuken so my thought process going into this video is that it was basically a worse version of Gouken's Metsu Shoruken. I'm kinda surprised it's much worse and that the few instances where it's actually kinda cool doesn't even matter. Also i'm surprised that no effort was made to made MetsuShoryu competitive.

  • @SergeySvotin
    @SergeySvotin 4 роки тому +1

    6:20 actually I occasionally did ex hado into ultra1 without fadc in mid-screen either, but it's extremely hard to land

  • @lazylink
    @lazylink 4 роки тому +1

    Ryu can also confirm into ultra 2 by doing close hard kick and then red focus attack cancel on the second hit. It's only really usable as throw/hit mixup on wake up or a blocked jump attack but it is easy to confirm.

  • @RashidAlawadhi
    @RashidAlawadhi 4 роки тому +4

    One small detail u missed is that Ryu can confirm CH cr.mp into raw U2. Good for frametraps.

  • @hori83
    @hori83 3 роки тому

    Great vid bafael. Thanks for still doing some USF4 content.

  • @elmaionesosexo
    @elmaionesosexo 3 роки тому +6

    Im trying to find the "Who cares lmao", i'll be back
    Edit: I did it, it was from BlackburryTv

  • @yourstillwithme
    @yourstillwithme 4 роки тому

    Yes. Loving new content for SF4!!!! i miss sf4 so much and wish more people still played.
    Rys U1 is also arguably the best in the game. (Under healing) Its SOOO EASY to land and works off of defensive reversal DP fadc, offensive mid screen w stmk ex fireball (which like no other character except sakura have a 3-4 frame normal to ex move to ultra mid screen) and it has amazing corner utility and damage too.
    He just has so many scenarios and viable ways to land it with little effort. Its always a constant threat as long as he has one bar.
    Since he also WANTS tou to be far away from him, no matter when you choose to land the ultra, its optimal for him VS say an offensive character like Ibuki, Sakura, or Seth, they have to give up pressure and close range to land ultra whereas ryu gains his optimal positioning all the time.

  • @trevorsamuel1114
    @trevorsamuel1114 3 роки тому +6

    The virgin u1 ryu vs the CHAD u2 ryu:
    Virgin u1: -requires skill, thus made for nerds.
    -Projectile, too afraid to fight up close.
    -girly purple color.
    -Ryu stops using it by third strike in the lore, probably because its lame.
    -Not good on wake up.
    -needs to be used with thought and strategy (lol).
    The CHAD u2: -no skill, awesome.
    -Epic face to face punching.
    -Awesome black ink stuff, looks sick.
    -Ryu uses it in third strike becuase everything cool is in third strike.
    -great for ez wake up reversals, can be mashed so no nerd skill needed.
    -epic yolo hail mary no skill ultra for epic chad gamers.

    • @NotoriousYEETER
      @NotoriousYEETER 3 роки тому +1

      Correction: Ryu also drops metsu Shoryuken in favor of SHIN shoryuken and denjin hadoken

    • @trevorsamuel1114
      @trevorsamuel1114 3 роки тому

      @@NotoriousYEETER actually yeah ur right. Dang it

  • @doge4243
    @doge4243 3 роки тому +2

    Whens the next bad balance. I LOVe this series

    • @Bafael
      @Bafael  3 роки тому +2

      IDK soonish.

  • @mistashadow
    @mistashadow 4 роки тому +4

    I remember catching Adon's Jaguar Tooth out of the air with it in Arcade Mode. Other than that ... I hate it.
    - lack of range
    - can't juggle for toffee... though "worse supers" is a problem I have with _most_ ultras that are difficult to juggle to cinematic
    ...I guess it looks cool
    also, in vanilla Zangief and Gouki Ultra did max. 600

  • @clickbaitpolice9792
    @clickbaitpolice9792 3 роки тому +1

    0:52 how does that even make sense? He does an overhead with his right leg then it’s suddenly a rising knee on impact and both him and ryu suddenly have positive vertical momentum??

    • @Bafael
      @Bafael  3 роки тому

      I cut out the middle of the animation for brevity.