Beautiful machines; thanks for posting. Glass is the way to go. People like to be able to see out. That's why subway trains have windows and there are lights in the tunnels.
You're welcome! Indeed, the glass here creates a large open and bright space, this makes everything look much more welcoming. Also through the glass the passengers can see how the they're being lifted up, which is a lot nice than just seeing noting.
Das stimmt, sind wirklich sehr besondere Anlagen. Das hier ist (oder war, besser gesagt) ein sehr prestigeträchtiges Gebäude, daher 3 Anlagen für nur 6 Etagen (nicht 4).
I'm glad you like it! Schlieren was a very interesting company that made truly outstanding lifts. Sadly almost all their big installs of lifts have been modernised by now.
@@TheLiftDragon Yes would love to see an original controller, complete with the original relays with the open contacts, and the original coils. Would assume they used the same relays as Schindler there, with a similar controller panel to hold them, but a different method of selection for floors. I did build a 3 stop elevator as apprentice project, using a box of relays I got in an electronics store, and a few microswitches as sensors, and it was build out of copper coated steel gas welding rods. Only got a few photos of it now.
These elevators are beautiful, they are among the most original to have a construction of this kind and moreover with a glass cage which is very rare for installations from the 30's. I notice something with your video is that the cabins of these elevators are guided diagonally in a cage and I found a duplex in a 17 floor tower also built in the 1930s then modernized on several occasions and several different periods and The cabins are also guided diagonally and I wonder if it wasn't the era that wanted this (for elevators with glass shafts)?
That is really interesting to hear, I don't know of other similar lifts. I first thought that you are referring to the Bel-Air Tower but that does not have 17 floors and also no diagonal chassis. Here it is pretty clear why the lifts have diagonal chassis: It is much easier to mount the lift tracks to the walls of a semi-circular shaft this way and it saves a lot of space. If the chassis were left-to-right, the lift cars would have to be a lot more narrow and extra metal beams would be necessary for support of the tracks. So this is a much better and more elegant solution. Will you present a video on the lifts you mentioned?
@@TheLiftDragon No then the tower I am talking about is not in Switzerland but in Belgium. Yes I made a video on these devices and it will be released in the next few months. Some time ago, I told you about two elevators modernized ORONA still with Schindler's W140 winches which went at 1.2 m/s. These are the ones. Besides, I think I had a revelation, the elevators I'm talking about have exactly the same counterweights as those presented in your video, I went to check my images in my computer and I just realized it, which made me It was noted that these I saw that they were also installed by Schlieren initially, then modernized several times.
@@ElevatorExploration Schlieren lifts in Belgium, that is really fascinating! I know that Schlieren also installed lifts in the Netherlands and therefore probably also in the other Benelux countries. A very interesting detail on these old Schlierens is the large emergency brakes do they have these too? Also W140 going faster than 1m/s is a rare sight, nice.
@@TheLiftDragon Yes they still have large emergency brakes on the cabins. The motors go at these speeds because the controllers and VF are replaced by Orona.
@@TheLiftDragonSchlieren also had some installations in the Agfa Gevaert plant in Belgium. As well as the original elevator installer in the Middelheim hospital in Antwerp. So yea, they were very active here, on big sites.
Ist ein kleines Lager hier oben mit einigen interessanten Sachen. Soll man aber heutzutage nicht mehr machen, denn jeder Techniker mit dem Zürcher Schlüssel kann theoretisch hier rein, auch nicht-Schindler.
Wow, Miconic SX logics coupled to newer Variodyn VF33BR drives...how interesting. Our Schindler would normally use VF44BR drives for replacements or installations here, and that W140 winch look odd. Nice video!
That is pretty common here as after around 25 years the old Variodyn can fail and then get replaced by a newer generation like here. The W140 is the old type of W140, there also is a newer and more common version called W140N. Thank you!
No. But: First they were rivals until in 1960, Schindler bought most of the shares of Schlieren, subsequently taking over the company. At some point Schlieren was owned fully by Schindler and in 1984/85, Schindler closed their factory in Schlieren (it's also the name of the city). That's why many lifts built by Schlieren in the period from 1960-1985 can have some Schindler components in them. Also groundbreaking new technologies like Monotron, the first intelligent levelling drive system EVER, as well the Aconic transistor controller, were developed by Schlieren but then also installed by Schindler on their lifts because they were so good.
Beautiful machines; thanks for posting. Glass is the way to go. People like to be able to see out. That's why subway trains have windows and there are lights in the tunnels.
You're welcome!
Indeed, the glass here creates a large open and bright space, this makes everything look much more welcoming. Also through the glass the passengers can see how the they're being lifted up, which is a lot nice than just seeing noting.
so etwas habe ich noch nie gesehen! sehr gutes Video. die Aufnahmen vom Motorraum haben mir sehr gut gefallen
Ich zuvor auch nicht, es sind wirklich einzigartige Anlagen hier. Dankesehr!
Sehr spezielle Aufzüge! Speziell find ich auch dass es 3 Aufzüge gibt für nur 4 Etagen.
Das stimmt, sind wirklich sehr besondere Anlagen. Das hier ist (oder war, besser gesagt) ein sehr prestigeträchtiges Gebäude, daher 3 Anlagen für nur 6 Etagen (nicht 4).
SCHLIEREN name on your video means I'll see _at least_ a decent lift. Unfortunately it doesn't exist any more. Thank you for sharing these media.
I'm glad you like it! Schlieren was a very interesting company that made truly outstanding lifts. Sadly almost all their big installs of lifts have been modernised by now.
@@TheLiftDragon Yes would love to see an original controller, complete with the original relays with the open contacts, and the original coils. Would assume they used the same relays as Schindler there, with a similar controller panel to hold them, but a different method of selection for floors. I did build a 3 stop elevator as apprentice project, using a box of relays I got in an electronics store, and a few microswitches as sensors, and it was build out of copper coated steel gas welding rods. Only got a few photos of it now.
These elevators are beautiful, they are among the most original to have a construction of this kind and moreover with a glass cage which is very rare for installations from the 30's.
I notice something with your video is that the cabins of these elevators are guided diagonally in a cage and I found a duplex in a 17 floor tower also built in the 1930s then modernized on several occasions and several different periods and The cabins are also guided diagonally and I wonder if it wasn't the era that wanted this (for elevators with glass shafts)?
That is really interesting to hear, I don't know of other similar lifts. I first thought that you are referring to the Bel-Air Tower but that does not have 17 floors and also no diagonal chassis.
Here it is pretty clear why the lifts have diagonal chassis: It is much easier to mount the lift tracks to the walls of a semi-circular shaft this way and it saves a lot of space. If the chassis were left-to-right, the lift cars would have to be a lot more narrow and extra metal beams would be necessary for support of the tracks. So this is a much better and more elegant solution.
Will you present a video on the lifts you mentioned?
@@TheLiftDragon No then the tower I am talking about is not in Switzerland but in Belgium.
Yes I made a video on these devices and it will be released in the next few months. Some time ago, I told you about two elevators modernized ORONA still with Schindler's W140 winches which went at 1.2 m/s. These are the ones.
Besides, I think I had a revelation, the elevators I'm talking about have exactly the same counterweights as those presented in your video, I went to check my images in my computer and I just realized it, which made me It was noted that these I saw that they were also installed by Schlieren initially, then modernized several times.
@@ElevatorExploration Schlieren lifts in Belgium, that is really fascinating! I know that Schlieren also installed lifts in the Netherlands and therefore probably also in the other Benelux countries. A very interesting detail on these old Schlierens is the large emergency brakes do they have these too?
Also W140 going faster than 1m/s is a rare sight, nice.
@@TheLiftDragon Yes they still have large emergency brakes on the cabins.
The motors go at these speeds because the controllers and VF are replaced by Orona.
@@TheLiftDragonSchlieren also had some installations in the Agfa Gevaert plant in Belgium. As well as the original elevator installer in the Middelheim hospital in Antwerp. So yea, they were very active here, on big sites.
A design meant to be seen, and well cared for as well.
Indeed.
Ahh schön, die A B in Z :-) Habe ich mal besucht, doch nicht im MR gewesen. Danke fürs Hochladen!
Genau! :) Freut mich, dass es gefällt. Alte Schlieren Mashcinen im MR zu finden wäre natürilich noch besser gewesen. ^^
@@TheLiftDragon Und dann am liebsten die originale Maschienen aus 1930. 2 m/s für so einen kurze abstand, sehr speziel.
@@joris3842 Das ist wirklich speziell. Ich hätte das auch sehr gerne gesehen, müsste ja dann auch Ward-Leonhard Antrieb gewesen sein.
Hallo, für einen Maschinenraum ganz schön zugestellt und zugemüllt! MfG Jan
Ist ein kleines Lager hier oben mit einigen interessanten Sachen. Soll man aber heutzutage nicht mehr machen, denn jeder Techniker mit dem Zürcher Schlüssel kann theoretisch hier rein, auch nicht-Schindler.
wow crazy never seen it ever
sus 🤔
Wow, Miconic SX logics coupled to newer Variodyn VF33BR drives...how interesting. Our Schindler would normally use VF44BR drives for replacements or installations here, and that W140 winch look odd. Nice video!
That is pretty common here as after around 25 years the old Variodyn can fail and then get replaced by a newer generation like here.
The W140 is the old type of W140, there also is a newer and more common version called W140N.
Thank you!
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Are these triplexes? And why 3 lifts are needed here? Is the traffic of people very high? Does not look like it.
Yes. This was a very important and very posh building once, that's why they have such a big group for so few floors.
Are Schlieren and Schindler the same company?
No. But:
First they were rivals until in 1960, Schindler bought most of the shares of Schlieren, subsequently taking over the company. At some point Schlieren was owned fully by Schindler and in 1984/85, Schindler closed their factory in Schlieren (it's also the name of the city).
That's why many lifts built by Schlieren in the period from 1960-1985 can have some Schindler components in them. Also groundbreaking new technologies like Monotron, the first intelligent levelling drive system EVER, as well the Aconic transistor controller, were developed by Schlieren but then also installed by Schindler on their lifts because they were so good.
Ok, got it!
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Indeed, the original mechanical construction is pretty genius.