So City lose Rodri, total collapse, Arsenal were missing Ordergard, the fan base blamed their poor form on one player missing, imagine they lost their keepers, both CB's & back ups, LB, two wingers & a striker, yet Ben thinks that Spurs should be doing much better? No team is dealing with our scenario!
True, but when Spurs had a fully fit squad Spurs result were roughly the same (only slightly better). Its more the system. Also, 18 months is a big sum to see this is not just a "bad period", lets not forget this. Arsenal and Man City were more a slump in form, Man City and Arsenal will bounce back, Tottenham even with a fully fit squad im not sure if I can even say that. Plus, context. The only time we had all those position missing at the same time is not that much. I agree there are a lot of injuries, but our bad form isn't the fault of those "back ups". Its the transfers and system. Ange runs player to the ground. It's not that the players were "unlucky" and Levy will not invest in a deep squad. so this WILL CONTINUE If he knew Dragusin was bad in the press and Forster distribution is bad you need to change the system to suit their need like putting the high line back a bit or change to a back three. Its the in game management. He is clueless when he is against a manager better than him. Just remember the wolves and Liverpool players interview they knew the system and where to target. They knew Ange was stubborn and not going to change. Its the last ditch tackles needed, the miraculous pass needed, agility pushed to their limits, it obvious why they make mistakes, getting tired and getting injured. He is literally endangering our players.
I agree with Sim’s appraisal of the handball. There is movement of the arm from behind the back to the side of the body and as a consequence the movement of the ball is impeded. The notion that it cant be handball because the arm was in a natural position in such a scenario is ludicrous. However, Im not quite sure what Ben is on about trying to deny what is clearly displayed in that clip. Its fine to be anti-Ange (I have changed my tune and I’m now Ange out as well) however, dont let your stance on Ange cloud your judgement, Ben.
Yes, Spurs are struggling in the league but only Liverpool and Arsenal are in as many competitions as Spurs, the players worked hard against Newcastle but didn't get the result.
Ben you keep talking about Spurs lack of consistency. But you say you will support the manager in one sentence and say you want the manager sacked at every bad result since Aston Villa win. Be consistent… like Sim
people seem to forget ange hasnt had his own team yet. 1st season half of the team was “deadwood” and this season we have 9 players missing and a bunch of teens.
The margins of loss have been really tight. Outsides the Liverpool 6-3. We were there or about until the injury crisis, a 4th-7th finish was on the cards. Some good buys in this window, and players returning from injury, things will improve. Vicario has been a huge out.
Im with Ange till the end of the season. His main money in the bank for me and most fans is that we're still in the cups. Not expecting to go far now due to those injuries. But a cup run is needed for the fans, and you can take it game by game. The fact he rested Son and Madders and Benta had his match ban gives me hope for liverpool wednesday especially after the 2-2 draw to united.
Ange lost Kane before he started. Was rebuilding a squad. Got rid of the players not needed. Started to change Spurs losing mentality which will take way linger than one season. Constant injuries and suspensions. International duty by key players. This is what creates inconsistency. If you cant see that Ben then wake TFU mate! Spurs 'fans' are weak as piss. Gets tough, Ange speaks the truth and your feeling are hurt? Grow TFU! You are lucky you have an Aussie who is tough enough to deal with this property portfolio which has an interest in a football team.
I feel like something that many keep forgetting is that since the beginning of this season, the amount of games clubs have to play has increased in comparison to the previous season, therefore, we have that large amount of injuries. Now, we have lots to blame like poor risk management planning, medical department incompetence, and lots as well. So yes, the club in some points is to blame but at the same time if people just keep wanting a sandbag to hit, go to FIFA directly and complain about that because at what time exactly did we see clubs playing a game every 3 days? That alone puts the players at higher rates of injury. Profits over game quality will get us to even worse scenarios. And most importantly, ANGE IN TILL THE END OF THIS SEASON, because for god's sake let's build an actual good project that's gonna last instead of the 18 months cycle show that repeats every two years or so
Hot take (Or a not so common one) Jamie Donley comes back from his loan at the end of the season, stick him at RW as a backup to Johnson and our newly signed RW/RM. I reckon he’ll do bits at RW
Ben when you are proved wrong about Ange then we want you to grow your hair for two years straight mate. Ange IN . Rebuild is a process and the board have bought into the rebuild. Arsenal Liverpool and City took at least 4 years to start getting results.
I am really struggling with this natural position of the hand / arm watch a variety of people walking running what’s natural to one is unnatural to another. With this in mind VAR would need a data base of every players natural movements to be able to make that call.
It's such a silly rule because you could literally control the ball like Thierry henry did in that infamous hand ball and refs would say that's a natural movement 😂 silly af
You keep saying, 'what we've been doing isn't good enough', but you've really turned on Ange since the club's been decimated. Sometimes you just need to accept the situation the club is in and let it play out.
I agree with Ben, I accept a rebuild is 100% needed but AP’s tactics frighten me. Waiting until the end of the season could be very dangerous and I think is silly…I think Sim is far too optimistic for this dangerous system of playing..
I get that some spurs fans are scared of ange's philosophy, but i still haven't heard a convincing alternative, specifically how that alternative would improve our current situation.
The only bad team is Southhampton, Ipswich has beaten Chelsea, Crystal Palace has beaten top teams, like cmon Ben no team has injuries like us. Stick with your manager, especially through the an injury crisis like this.
The playing time for all these young players are going to help. Once the players come back, these young players will be competing for positions. This only benefits the team with players being out of perform to be dropped.
I dont understand why they specified that rule years ago, that any goal scored after touching a arm won't count... Somehow it's spurs and everyone completely forgot they put the rule in the prem... Also they put it in the rulebook, because that one goal I think exactly Newcastle scored against us years ago, and now it's not existent ? Really ? Completely shameless from the refs, and it's sus that it happened when we play the RICHEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.. the refs were paid 100%
What is every oportunity? It's the squad he wants and time to develop it. period. Ange out is pretending this is the squad ange wants. it's the squad he was given, and he still is able to do really exciting things with it. Trust the process. COYS!
Its so frustrating that Ange out doesn't realize that they are simply giving ownership an out to continue underinvestment/poor squad development and simply throw managers under the bus.
Does Andy Madley have it out for Spurs? Calls (or non-calls) were very one-sided and almost suspicious. Either that or Joelinton and Burn made him out to be a laughingstock
Could you please stop this in or out argument both? It’s the same story over and over again… Inconsistency even with fully fit squad was fully expected to begin with considering total rebuild of the team on the way. Significant improvements were and still are visible to anyone who actually is trying to watch games with some consciousness.
All these Ange out arguments are just regurgitated opinions that literally have the same value as people who want Ange in. The fact that we’re all arguing is the embarrassing thing in my opinion.
Ben loves to complain so much. Wtf how can you argue that it wasn't handball? It changed the path of the ball and they scored. Obviously a goal scoring opportunity 🙄
What's this unwritten rule nonsense 😂😂 Try focusing on the written rules instead, it's much easier to understand.. Only spuds fans seem to have difficulty with it, is it an education thing?
lol! Amorim with none of his players still get a Liverpool draw away and not a 3-6 loss like we did at home! lol! U Ange in cult is really full of hallucinated people defending an unholy God
@@Just_an_Azn_guy lol! We lost so many games with our full squad! The list of eternal excuses for Ange would make all other coaches cry! There has never been such a delusional cult behind a manager like this, ever!!!
@theknownguy2221 you were comparing the Liverpool game. Now you are ranting about a different matter. Do you honestly think our squad can win every game
We scored 3 past them with a serverely weakened squad, not many teams have done that with a fully fit squad!! Which proves wed have done better with a fully fit swuad just like liverpool had at their disposal!!
After we get eliminated early in all competitions, the cult people will come here and use another excuse that another coach would have the same results! U don’t have to be Nostradamus to see that coming soon
Against all odds,pundits and so called soccer experts are mourning the draw between Liverpool and Manchester united. Most if not all were hallucinating Liverpool smashing Man United by 5 or so goals. In fact Manchester united shd've won the game at the death when Mcguire blazed over the bar in the box,they could've won the game.
Before we get carried away with this complaining, remember Liverpool got it far worse against us last season. It’s not a good look from the club to continue after benefiting from a worse decision last season
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Sim, doing a great unbiased job, Ben listening to much to key board warriors
100%
Ben flip flops from result to result.
Ben seems hell bent on seeing Spurs crash and burn to prove his point.
That’s what I’ve realised but I thought it was just me because it’s at the point where it’s annoying
100% how can anyone not understand we have zero players.
Only those who has an anti ange narrative!!
@@JamesDrinksDrinks we had players for Palace and Ipswich
Nobody on the planet doesn't understand that. Some question whose fault that is because it's happened 2 seasons in a row.
So City lose Rodri, total collapse, Arsenal were missing Ordergard, the fan base blamed their poor form on one player missing, imagine they lost their keepers, both CB's & back ups, LB, two wingers & a striker, yet Ben thinks that Spurs should be doing much better? No team is dealing with our scenario!
True, but when Spurs had a fully fit squad Spurs result were roughly the same (only slightly better). Its more the system. Also, 18 months is a big sum to see this is not just a "bad period", lets not forget this.
Arsenal and Man City were more a slump in form, Man City and Arsenal will bounce back, Tottenham even with a fully fit squad im not sure if I can even say that.
Plus, context. The only time we had all those position missing at the same time is not that much. I agree there are a lot of injuries, but our bad form isn't the fault of those "back ups". Its the transfers and system. Ange runs player to the ground. It's not that the players were "unlucky" and Levy will not invest in a deep squad. so this WILL CONTINUE
If he knew Dragusin was bad in the press and Forster distribution is bad you need to change the system to suit their need like putting the high line back a bit or change to a back three. Its the in game management.
He is clueless when he is against a manager better than him. Just remember the wolves and Liverpool players interview they knew the system and where to target. They knew Ange was stubborn and not going to change.
Its the last ditch tackles needed, the miraculous pass needed, agility pushed to their limits, it obvious why they make mistakes, getting tired and getting injured. He is literally endangering our players.
30 points from 27 games.
I agree with Sim’s appraisal of the handball. There is movement of the arm from behind the back to the side of the body and as a consequence the movement of the ball is impeded. The notion that it cant be handball because the arm was in a natural position in such a scenario is ludicrous. However, Im not quite sure what Ben is on about trying to deny what is clearly displayed in that clip. Its fine to be anti-Ange (I have changed my tune and I’m now Ange out as well) however, dont let your stance on Ange cloud your judgement, Ben.
Yes, Spurs are struggling in the league but only Liverpool and Arsenal are in as many competitions as Spurs, the players worked hard against Newcastle but didn't get the result.
100
If that was ruled as handball, no one, not one, would argue that ruling.
Absolutely true!
Sim you are much more sensible than ben
Ben you keep talking about Spurs lack of consistency. But you say you will support the manager in one sentence and say you want the manager sacked at every bad result since Aston Villa win. Be consistent… like Sim
people seem to forget ange hasnt had his own team yet. 1st season half of the team was “deadwood” and this season we have 9 players missing and a bunch of teens.
Man it was handball he controlled the ball with his hand and they went on and scored.. It’s foot-ball
The margins of loss have been really tight. Outsides the Liverpool 6-3. We were there or about until the injury crisis, a 4th-7th finish was on the cards.
Some good buys in this window, and players returning from injury, things will improve. Vicario has been a huge out.
BEN YOUR GOING TO COP A LOT OF FLACK IF ANGE TURNS IT AROUND
Im with Ange till the end of the season. His main money in the bank for me and most fans is that we're still in the cups. Not expecting to go far now due to those injuries. But a cup run is needed for the fans, and you can take it game by game. The fact he rested Son and Madders and Benta had his match ban gives me hope for liverpool wednesday especially after the 2-2 draw to united.
Man united gave Liverpool a tough game. Hopefully it will help us😊
Game on Wednesday is massive. Can't wait
Maddison is suspended for Wednesday
Ben listen to yourself
Ange lost Kane before he started. Was rebuilding a squad. Got rid of the players not needed. Started to change Spurs losing mentality which will take way linger than one season. Constant injuries and suspensions. International duty by key players. This is what creates inconsistency. If you cant see that Ben then wake TFU mate! Spurs 'fans' are weak as piss. Gets tough, Ange speaks the truth and your feeling are hurt? Grow TFU! You are lucky you have an Aussie who is tough enough to deal with this property portfolio which has an interest in a football team.
Grow TFU? Anyone questioning Ange’s poor results, recruitment, tactics, injury toll gets a barrage of abuse from fan boys who can’t handle criticism.
@@rocket8796Ben is childish....the criticism is quite apt.
You must bean aussie too lol
Its heartening to see all these comments disagreeing with Ben.
Itakura is NOT a full back! Do your research ffs
does it really matter who the hell is itakura? dont blame them
Handball should have been second yellow card and sent off !
I feel like something that many keep forgetting is that since the beginning of this season, the amount of games clubs have to play has increased in comparison to the previous season, therefore, we have that large amount of injuries. Now, we have lots to blame like poor risk management planning, medical department incompetence, and lots as well. So yes, the club in some points is to blame but at the same time if people just keep wanting a sandbag to hit, go to FIFA directly and complain about that because at what time exactly did we see clubs playing a game every 3 days? That alone puts the players at higher rates of injury. Profits over game quality will get us to even worse scenarios.
And most importantly, ANGE IN TILL THE END OF THIS SEASON, because for god's sake let's build an actual good project that's gonna last instead of the 18 months cycle show that repeats every two years or so
The people that are ange out go and support someone else
Ben is exhausting, use some critical thinking for the love of god
Had to stop watching as soon as Ben started beating the Ange out drum AGAIN
Get behind the team mate and keep the negativity to yourself
Hot take (Or a not so common one) Jamie Donley comes back from his loan at the end of the season, stick him at RW as a backup to Johnson and our newly signed RW/RM. I reckon he’ll do bits at RW
Ben when you are proved wrong about Ange then we want you to grow your hair for two years straight mate. Ange IN . Rebuild is a process and the board have bought into the rebuild. Arsenal Liverpool and City took at least 4 years to start getting results.
I am really struggling with this natural position of the hand / arm watch a variety of people walking running what’s natural to one is unnatural to another. With this in mind VAR would need a data base of every players natural movements to be able to make that call.
It's such a silly rule because you could literally control the ball like Thierry henry did in that infamous hand ball and refs would say that's a natural movement 😂 silly af
Ben, ya sure dont sound like ya backing ange......maybe grudgingly at best, if that at all.
You're going to be 'up' every game when the team's decimated and you're playing twice a week.
You keep saying, 'what we've been doing isn't good enough', but you've really turned on Ange since the club's been decimated. Sometimes you just need to accept the situation the club is in and let it play out.
I agree with Ben, I accept a rebuild is 100% needed but AP’s tactics frighten me. Waiting until the end of the season could be very dangerous and I think is silly…I think Sim is far too optimistic for this dangerous system of playing..
I get that some spurs fans are scared of ange's philosophy, but i still haven't heard a convincing alternative, specifically how that alternative would improve our current situation.
Every time Timo makes a mistake its demoralising to the rest of the team
The only bad team is Southhampton, Ipswich has beaten Chelsea, Crystal Palace has beaten top teams, like cmon Ben no team has injuries like us. Stick with your manager, especially through the an injury crisis like this.
The playing time for all these young players are going to help. Once the players come back, these young players will be competing for positions. This only benefits the team with players being out of perform to be dropped.
ben regrets being Ange out 😂
I dont understand why they specified that rule years ago, that any goal scored after touching a arm won't count... Somehow it's spurs and everyone completely forgot they put the rule in the prem... Also they put it in the rulebook, because that one goal I think exactly Newcastle scored against us years ago, and now it's not existent ? Really ? Completely shameless from the refs, and it's sus that it happened when we play the RICHEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.. the refs were paid 100%
What is every oportunity? It's the squad he wants and time to develop it. period. Ange out is pretending this is the squad ange wants. it's the squad he was given, and he still is able to do really exciting things with it. Trust the process. COYS!
Its so frustrating that Ange out doesn't realize that they are simply giving ownership an out to continue underinvestment/poor squad development and simply throw managers under the bus.
Does Andy Madley have it out for Spurs? Calls (or non-calls) were very one-sided and almost suspicious. Either that or Joelinton and Burn made him out to be a laughingstock
Johnson's was not tighter than this goal AND IT WOULD HAVE GONE OUT FOR A THROW BUT FOR Reguilon.
😐
This handball cobblers is worse than the Man City game BS last season. Our manager is a tool - end of list.
Delight gave away a handball penalty today vs Liverpool, any thoughts coz am completely in a quandary as to which is which???
He doesn't even see the ball, come on.😅
When we play Timo its like we are playing with ten men
Could you please stop this in or out argument both? It’s the same story over and over again… Inconsistency even with fully fit squad was fully expected to begin with considering total rebuild of the team on the way. Significant improvements were and still are visible to anyone who actually is trying to watch games with some consciousness.
I get it. Really I do. Ange out is pure copium to the veins.. but just try chilling out yea?
ange in
Referees in the premier league are so crap they are the laughing stock of the football world
All these Ange out arguments are just regurgitated opinions that literally have the same value as people who want Ange in. The fact that we’re all arguing is the embarrassing thing in my opinion.
18 months into a rebuild you want to throw the manager under the bus. Tottenham fan base ridiculous
All Ben says is “could’ve” “would’ve”. Mate WAKE UP WE ARE SHITE ANGE IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH
When do chelsea or man city lose to lower teams? But yet this season, they have lost games to lower teams, so ya points mute ben.
Compare their total losses and position on the table to ours. enough said
Ben loves to complain so much.
Wtf how can you argue that it wasn't handball?
It changed the path of the ball and they scored.
Obviously a goal scoring opportunity 🙄
Reaching
Waaaaaaa waaaaaa 😭😭😭😭
Ben just chill out with your negativity.
Sometimes it's like you want spurs to fail.
C'mon fix up
What's this unwritten rule nonsense 😂😂
Try focusing on the written rules instead, it's much easier to understand..
Only spuds fans seem to have difficulty with it, is it an education thing?
lol! Amorim with none of his players still get a Liverpool draw away and not a 3-6 loss like we did at home! lol! U Ange in cult is really full of hallucinated people defending an unholy God
We didn't have all our players too. We are playing kids.
Yeah Ange is the worst manager I’ve seen at Spurs
@@Just_an_Azn_guy lol! We lost so many games with our full squad! The list of eternal excuses for Ange would make all other coaches cry! There has never been such a delusional cult behind a manager like this, ever!!!
@theknownguy2221 you were comparing the Liverpool game. Now you are ranting about a different matter. Do you honestly think our squad can win every game
We scored 3 past them with a serverely weakened squad, not many teams have done that with a fully fit squad!! Which proves wed have done better with a fully fit swuad just like liverpool had at their disposal!!
stop make excuses for the performance we shit with manger im fed with the excuses
Well he still there. What you are doing
Numpty
@@rorryno1 okay clown 🤡 when in the in championship don't come moneing to me then
@@rorryno1you better not go moneing to him 😂
Ben is unbearable
After we get eliminated early in all competitions, the cult people will come here and use another excuse that another coach would have the same results! U don’t have to be Nostradamus to see that coming soon
Against all odds,pundits and so called soccer experts are mourning the draw between Liverpool and Manchester united. Most if not all were hallucinating Liverpool smashing Man United by 5 or so goals. In fact Manchester united shd've won the game at the death when Mcguire blazed over the bar in the box,they could've won the game.
Sim is done
Before we get carried away with this complaining, remember Liverpool got it far worse against us last season.
It’s not a good look from the club to continue after benefiting from a worse decision last season
Don't you guys wanna talk about the Gordon's penalty should have had. Of course not Because because the decision went your way. 😂
Sure let's talk about it. Gordon stop being an idiot and running into Swedish walls.