😻💕🐈 I'm so excited for this upcoming A-Z series. While I love the coulees, shrubsteppe, and wheat fields of eastern WA, it's learning local history, geography, and the details that make a place which helps a landscape stay with you. Thank you Nick for seeking to tell some of these stories and thank you to this community of viewers for contributing so much information. ❤
Nick, S P & S is the Spokane, Portland & Seattle RR. It was incorporated in 1905. Northern Pacific RR was authorized by Congress in 1864 and began construction in 1870. Great Northern Rwy. was created by the consolidation of several other railroads in 1890. The Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (CMStP&P), better known as the Milwaukee Road, completed its extension to Puget Sound in 1909. So far I have not found anything on the O-W RR. I am still looking. Jerry, Jarratt, Va.
Best source to find that brickyard is probably to find an old Sanborn fire insurance map of Cheny from the time period. They label every structure in the city/town they map all the way down to where the outhouses are located. As a metal detector enthusiast I use old Sanborn maps to locate homesteads and homesites that have long since been demolished.
In the 1940 US census, he is at the same address, occupation Professor, highest grade achieved college, 4th year, living with his wife. In the 1950 US census he and his wife are at the same address and his occupation is listed as other.
I just caught the end of this one so will need to watch a little later. What I find interesting is that here in central Wisconsin close to where I live we have two terminal moraines. The most recent is the Johnston moraine and then there is an older terminal moraine called the Arnott moraine. which is only two miles further west of the Johnston. It is considered older, from early Wisconsin (Altonian) or pre-Wisconsin glaciation (Illinonian advance). It is interesting that the dating cannot be more exact other than the Arnott moraine is considered to be apparently much older than the Johnston moraine and geologists are not exactly sure when it can be attributed to. Food for thought... Thanks Nick for all you do! By far my favorite UA-cam channel. All the best on your trip to Idaho and looking forward to your next streaming event.
Given that there were earlier glacial advances through the Great Lakes region l wonder if there previous versions of the Great Lakes in the same general area.
I love this! 😘So many things ways to think about the little projects of Nick's tracking down Bretz's, consequently to think about the Ice Age Floods of the Northwest!💗 Thank you,.Nick!!
According to the 1920 US census, Harlen was living in a rented home (10570 Western Ave Cook County ) with his wife Fannie and children Rudolph and Rhoda, he is listed as a Professor at University
That's for the 1926 mammoth discovery one mile southwest of Cheney, described by O.W. Freeman, Cheney Normal School as being one mile southwest of Cheney. The bones were found on a hillside at the bottom of loess on top of glacial till. "The till is well weathered and is probably the earliest of three known glacial periods in eastern Washington. ...It is probable that the mammoth lived and died in an interglacial period earlier than that which immediately preceded the Wisconsin stage...".
1910 City Directory. J Harlan Bretz lives at 118 W. 78th -teacher at Queen Anne High Schoo. I'll research some more. Also a 1908 address at 508 N 80th. Teacher at Washington High School annex
1914 city directory 1014 Sylvester Place teacher at U of W. Can't find Sylvester Place at the moment. Sylvester RD SW is not the same. The other older addresses aren't particularly close to the Zoo, Maybe it's this one.
1908: 508 N 80th St, Seattle, WA 98103. Built 1911. Oddly enough the 1908 address is for a home that was constructed in 1911, he may have lived in a home that existed prior on the site. 1910: 115 NW 78th St, Seattle, WA 98117. Redeveloped 2007. "115 W 78th Street" is the rental address for Bretz prior to the discussed construction of his new home. The modern address for the rental site would be 115 NW 78th St near Green Lake. Seattle added N to the previously just W designation of addresses in the Green Lake / Ravenna area. Therefore, NW 78th is the proper designation. The Bretz rental home site was redeveloped in 2007, and the prior home on the site is unknown. 1914: 1014 NE 61st St, Seattle, WA 98115. Built 1910. Records show that Bretz lived at 1014 Sylvester Place, which was renamed to NE 61st St. This is designated as Lot 10 Block 11 of the Cowen S University Park Addition north of the University of Washington. The home records show that it was built in 1910, not 1914, which may indicate that this is not the correct modern address. Seattle Re-Address Designation (1961): Information about street directional designations can be found on the Seattle City Archives website.
We were visiting in Ellensberg Saturday and came back through on the way back to Grandview from Seattle. Look forward to meeting you when we move to Grandview in April.
Reference 51:20 on your timeline. In 1976, I worked as a Sectionman on the Benge, WA section gang. Benge, as in going on a binge, either a drunken binge or binge watching star wars. Benge was on the old Spokane, Portland & Seattle Railroad line. At the time, Burlington Northern was using it as the eastbound main line from Pasco to Spokane. The west bound mainline was the Northern Pacific line from Spokane to Pasco. Prior to the Great Northern-Northern Pacific merger which formed Burlington Northern, the SP & S was jointly owned by the other two. The Chicago Burlington and Quincy was the third party in that merger. The Northern Pacific at that time ran through Yakima, Ellensburg and up over Stampede Pass. The Chicago, Milwaukee, Saint Paul and Pacific ran across the center of the state on what is now the Iron Horse Trail, aka John Wayne Trail. The Great Northern went ( and still does) from Spokane through Wenatchee, over Stevens Pass to Seattle. The CMSP&P was part electric, part coal, and part diesel, and ran all the way to Chicago, as did the NP and the GN. The Union Pacific came in from Hermiston, Oregon, and went to Kennewick and Hanford, and had a line up the Snake River and the Palouse River to Spokane. As for the dozen or so short lines in Eastern Washington, those were well before my time, and I have nothing even resembling knowledge of them. Thank you for your work. I have been a fan for several years now. Kennewick Man from Moody, TX.
Thank you Nick for helping us appreciate the fascinating history behind our understanding of geology. Learning about Bretz’s personal life, especially in relation to historically established scientific misconceptions, is truly inspiring. Beyond the understanding of geology, your lectures underscore the importance of curiosity, critical thought and creativity to promote divergent thinking to realize deeper understanding, connections and appreciation for our environment.
Nick; I took the Cheney Trolley virtually thanks to those RR buffs you mention. After reading the Bretz 1922 notes page 9 and referring to a couple of topo maps I then used Google Earth to compile all this info. Best I can tell, the "old brickyard" site is now Roos Field, I'm concerned that what Bretz was able to observe has been covered over by modern construction. But probably worth a reconnoiter regardless.
Nick, have become a huge fan since I found your videos a couple years ago. I can easily see the calling of the geology and ice age erosion of Washington and the west. I love it out there. But I sure wish we had someone of your caliber to help us understand the geology and topography of your roots in Wisconsin and here in Minnesota. My house sits on what had to be a sandbar in a huge river draining glacial lake Grantsburg. I just learned of glacial lake Anoka, that has to be the source of all the clay on the farm I grew up... Both of these events also contributed to the flows that carved the potholed canyon at Taylor Falls on the St. Croix river.
Just so you know, Tekoa is pronounced Tea-koe.With the accent on Tea. My brother in-law use to be mayor. And I did a lot of growing up in Oakesdale, about 10 miles S/W of Tekoa. Granite lake is just north of I-90, about a mile west of the 4 Lakes exit. 4 Lakes is the exit off I-90 to get to Cheney. I've never heard of Binge, but Bingen is just across the Columbia from Hood River.
23:00 Jolie maps. There are HAM Raido programs/applications that will show line of sight for a specified location. Adding this feature to your maps will give perspective of what Bretts could see and how that affects his insights.
It doesn't surprise me that Bretz lived in Homewood, Illinois. The area is a glacial moraine one of many rings in the Chicago area. Homewood is connected to the University of Chicago by the Illinois Central Commuter line. My geology hobby started in college. Its unfortunate his passion for teaching geology to high school students ended so many years earlier. I would have loved to have a geology class at Homewood- Flossmor High School.
Regarding brick yards, kilns for firing bricks are generally built on hillsides adjacent to clay deposits. The siting of the kiln provides natural draft to increase the temperature of the fire without the need for a tall chimney. The clay deposit is the most important thing to search for as transporting the clay costs money. Finally, a nearby creek is useful.
😻💕🐈 I'm so excited for this upcoming A-Z series. While I love the coulees, shrubsteppe, and wheat fields of eastern WA, it's learning local history, geography, and the details that make a place which helps a landscape stay with you. Thank you Nick for seeking to tell some of these stories and thank you to this community of viewers for contributing so much information. ❤
enjoyed the show, after the fact, because YT cant seem to notify me properly.. even after hitting the "notify me" button well ahead of time.. never got a notification - at all! but anyway.. I enjoy the history tied to the geology, and am looking forward to the new A to Z series! Have a great time at the Penrose!! Hope to see a vid or two while you are there.
Nick, I enjoy your lectures. Can you direct me to some reading on glacial lake carbon. It seems that when the Puget loan receded there was a flood then the ice dam on the Carbon River melted. The flood affected Thurston and Pierce Counties. Thanks CD.
I wonder how long it will be before Ken Burns comes knocking on your door to do a multiple part story on J. Harlan Bretz and his work? Peter Coyote fan here. I could listen to him (and you Nick) talk all day!
What a fascinating paragraph you read from Bretz! The exposure of glacial till underneath substantial loess accumulation certainly implies pre-Wisconsin till, but I’m wondering about why that would be in a Brick factory pit. Bricks were, I think, usually made largely from clay. Maybe there was an exposure of pre-Spokane clay there, otherwise no-one would have dug through the loess and underlying till to get to the clay… I hope the location of the pit is found! How fascinating that would be to see what Bretz saw over 100 years ago!
From Wikipedia: The Spokane and Inland Empire Railroad Company (S.&I.E.R.R.Co.) was an electrified interurban railway operating in Spokane, Washington and vicinity, extending into northern and central Idaho. The system originated in several predecessor roads beginning c. 1890, incorporated in 1904, and ran under its own name to 1929. It merged into the Great Northern Railway. Jerry
INDIAN CREEK, Nick! We own a wheat farm north of Davenport which partially encompasses Indian Creek. My farmer husband is also a Geologist, EWU, LSU grad. Along with loess, there are scab lands, mima mounds, ripple marks, erratics, lots of flood evidence. We haven't seen till but will start looking. I believe there is till, terminal moraines closer to the Spokane River.
Nick, Pardee was important in the bay area ( SF) California in dam building and water tunnels to get water to the area from the mountains so might get some info from Cal Berkeley geology library and Oakland city library ( one of the earliest public library systems my family here early and Oakland had first rail in area my family helped build) Oakland near the lake Marrit is the main library and it has a big historic library available to the public... big collection so look there for info on Pardee.
There is some volcanic soil in the granby river valley just to the north of Spokane outsideof Grand Forks B.C. Locals say the Town is built on a old dormant volcano ? I am sure you could find out from the Geologic survey maps. This seems to be in the right area under the icesheet and just east of the Okanogan valley. Cheers Mike
Thank you, Joel for sending Nick your map that track Bretz move 100 years ago according to Bretz field notes! Nick, could you make it available to view sometime? It would be real helpful for my confused brain when it comes to having a map in my mind...🤣✨💗
Pantops is a stop on flag only station on the Inland Empire Electric RR, there is a Pantops road on the south hill Spokane, not sure of the route but it seemed to have headed south towards Valleyford. My best guess is between Moran and Valleyford along Ben Bur road(old right of way?) The RR was gone in 1939. I’m enjoying this whole process!!
Pretty sure the gravel pit at Pantops is at the intersection of Carnahan and Glenn rose rd, the pit is still there. I’ve found the right of way followed it up from the main power house, Ben Bur trail up and over Spokanes south hill, towards Valleyford, the alluvial fan he talks about heads towards Duncan.
In the 1930 US census Harlen, Fannie and their 2 children are living in their own home at 2114 Cedar Road Homewood occupation teacher University private.
I appreciate your scientific method application. I am very interested in breaking the scholastic log jams that brush off verifiable data that runs counter to their held and taught beliefs. Just be you, I’m quite certain that you can’t be anything else. It’s fun to watch your wrecking ball and bulldog character eat away at these false beliefs. These very man made log jams in fact prohibit actual growth and understanding of the actual facts all over our geological history. Sarcasm is required in science and hubris is antithetical.
Nick: if Bretz is traveling by train, then a lot of those place names (that don't show on modern maps) were most likely sidings. A double track area where trains could pass, and I suppose passengers could get off or on. It remains that the railroads give names to these sidings. So, a map of present and historical rail lines would or should reveal those locations.
I think Carlson is on to something, his problem is that he sees everything as evidence of an impact. Like the old adage says, when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Great show Nick. I really like the history great way to see if different people were seeing the same thing - keep it up. You know all this was simpler when it was dust from china (long ago) and a giant flood. Now there are lots of questions about what happened when and someothers like do we really understand the source of all that loess what happened to it and its deposition? What about the interplay between loess and glacial events? Do we have that nailed down? A question that iccurred to me during the talk was - I get that the glaciers rafted boulders and bulldozed boulders in front of them - wouldn't the glaciers have bulldozed loess as well? Are the terminal morraines big enough to truly account for all the ground up rock? Does the depth of loess in the palouse really make sense given what all we know? I guess you can see I'm confused as it seems to me all the pieces should be reasonably accounted for. Enjoy Idaho!
Bay area big brick yard at point Richmond now condos go through tunnel by the Richmond plunge. Historic oven site still there another brickyard near San Quentin and San Rafael Bridge at San Rafael end ( red bricks in our area we have a wall of them very hard brick nothing like ones made now) the old brick areas were low hills near the bay bricks used to build early San Francisco Oakland etc.. I love history as did both my parents ( my dad a handset printer obviously loved books).
We started putting out cheap dry cat food at thinking if the racoons aren't hungry they won't bother the cats. It worked well and after doing for a few years plus one mother racoon that got injured somehow and learned our place was safe came every night. She was very friendly but cautious would ask for food sometimes even during the day. Her and her offspring would sometimes walk up touch us on the foot but then back off quickly. A few times she and cubs would eat out our hands but that's not something we did very often. Probably the cutist thing I ever seen was at 3 or 4 in the afternoon sun shining bright I'm on the back deck and I look over at where the electric meter comes up there's a little hole there and first 1 little head then 2nd right behind it where baby raccoons pre bandit mask just looking at me. They come up from under the deck run around for a min come right up real close to me probable eat some dry food then mom shows and leads them away. Raccoons are pretty awesome and came be very chill and friendly if they are not having to struggle. So if you're having an issue with them leave out a little bit of food and a bowl of water near it and turn them into a friend. After that it was safer for cats because they helped keep away other bigger prey like cougars.
Oh also the raccoons only acted this way on our property where they learned they where safe. If be at a friend's down the street and see the raccoons. They would keep their distance or just take off. You could tell it was the same ones because momma raccoon had the same injury which was one of her front paws was flattened out. Our guess was somehow her paw was ran over by a car. She was around for 3 or maybe 4 years with new babies every year. We believe it was one of her last cubs that would come right up to us and eat out our hands, run up and touch our shoes. It would also just chill out with us sometimes to on our back deck. I'd really like to not be in the city again and be able to make some more raccoon friends.
In 1910, Harlen, Fanny and her sister are living in a house he owns (mortgage free) 115 W-78 St Seattle ward 11. Been married 4 years and is a teacher (city)
Have had Star-link for over a year in WWA. Just wait about a minute or less and ir re-connects. Best we ever had. 10.6 times better than the reg phone service and deleted that and saved $100.00 a month. RE: Bijou: Just learned elderly cats should stop eating dry food, cz of very slowed digestion, lack of drinking enough, and dry excrement issues.
I just returned to Seattle from my second ice age floods excursion at central Washington. I think next trip it would be interesting to fly over the scablands to see the geology.
Do you Shawn Willsey professor from College Southern Idaho? He has a UA-cam channel. Close to your Idaho State University. He might have connections on research about Bretz. Kenny the trucker from Oregon. 😉
There is also a documentary about Edziza (in BC Canada) being a complex of 50 volcanoes with sub-glacial eruptions. It also explains that the weight of the ice can contribute to volcanoes erupting due to the pressure. ua-cam.com/video/Ry2dJuJ-9UE/v-deo.html 🏔🌋😊
Too bad modern academia seems to be failing history. Narrative enforcement is probably a better description. Now history is simply rewritten, context is ignored, and inconvenient facts are ignored or dismissed by straw-man argument with no opposing voice.
love a good scavenger hunt! the geology of geologist. goes back to the first man who stubbed his toe on a rock. He must have pondered where that damn rock come from thank you ALL stay safe
Nick; came for the geology, stayed for the cat. Your best live stream ending EVER! FWIW I'm a big fan of history too, geology is 99% history.
Written largely in stone 🙄. If Ceaser was around today he'd say.
I see Zentner.
I watch Zentner.
Zentner conquers.
@mpetersen6 and keep an eye on Mt Vesuvius, Etna and the Tyrrhenian sea.
😻💕🐈 I'm so excited for this upcoming A-Z series. While I love the coulees, shrubsteppe, and wheat fields of eastern WA, it's learning local history, geography, and the details that make a place which helps a landscape stay with you. Thank you Nick for seeking to tell some of these stories and thank you to this community of viewers for contributing so much information. ❤
I love history and do not stop my friend.
Nick, S P & S is the Spokane, Portland & Seattle RR. It was incorporated in 1905. Northern Pacific RR was authorized by Congress in 1864 and began construction in 1870. Great Northern Rwy. was created by the consolidation of several other railroads in 1890. The Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (CMStP&P), better known as the Milwaukee Road, completed its extension to Puget Sound in 1909. So far I have not found anything on the O-W RR. I am still looking. Jerry, Jarratt, Va.
Best source to find that brickyard is probably to find an old Sanborn fire insurance map of Cheny from the time period. They label every structure in the city/town they map all the way down to where the outhouses are located. As a metal detector enthusiast I use old Sanborn maps to locate homesteads and homesites that have long since been demolished.
In the 1940 US census, he is at the same address, occupation Professor, highest grade achieved college, 4th year, living with his wife. In the 1950 US census he and his wife are at the same address and his occupation is listed as other.
I love the geology and the history! Keep up the great work. This is fascinating.
I just caught the end of this one so will need to watch a little later. What I find interesting is that here in central Wisconsin close to where I live we have two terminal moraines. The most recent is the Johnston moraine and then there is an older terminal moraine called the Arnott moraine. which is only two miles further west of the Johnston. It is considered older, from early Wisconsin (Altonian) or pre-Wisconsin glaciation (Illinonian advance). It is interesting that the dating cannot be more exact other than the Arnott moraine is considered to be apparently much older than the Johnston moraine and geologists are not exactly sure when it can be attributed to. Food for thought... Thanks Nick for all you do! By far my favorite UA-cam channel. All the best on your trip to Idaho and looking forward to your next streaming event.
Given that there were earlier glacial advances through the Great Lakes region l wonder if there previous versions of the Great Lakes in the same general area.
I love this! 😘So many things ways to think about the little projects of Nick's tracking down Bretz's, consequently to think about the Ice Age Floods of the Northwest!💗 Thank you,.Nick!!
The BEST live spitballing on the UA-cams…and Bijou too! Thanks Nick.
Benge is halfway between Ritzville and Wastucna and a little east. There is a rail line nearby. Roads nearby include the name Benge
South Africa here!!
This is better than a murder mystery!
"And we woulda got away with it too if it weren't for you geologists and your nosy dog!"
your excitement is contagious.
Couldn't watch it live unfortunately Nick, a thoroughly enjoyable stream from you, and we learnt stuff.
This was interesting; especially the history. History has always been my favorite thing.
❤ Bijou is too sweet! Have a great week!
According to the 1920 US census, Harlen was living in a rented home (10570 Western Ave Cook County ) with his wife Fannie and children Rudolph and Rhoda, he is listed as a Professor at University
That's for the 1926 mammoth discovery one mile southwest of Cheney, described by O.W. Freeman, Cheney Normal School as being one mile southwest of Cheney. The bones were found on a hillside at the bottom of loess on top of glacial till. "The till is well weathered and is probably the earliest of three known glacial periods in eastern Washington. ...It is probable that the mammoth lived and died in an interglacial period earlier than that which immediately preceded the Wisconsin stage...".
Thx Nick!
Bijou was having fun! 🤣
1910 City Directory. J Harlan Bretz lives at 118 W. 78th -teacher at Queen Anne High Schoo. I'll research some more. Also a 1908 address at 508 N 80th. Teacher at Washington High School annex
1914 city directory 1014 Sylvester Place teacher at U of W. Can't find Sylvester Place at the moment. Sylvester RD SW is not the same. The other older addresses aren't particularly close to the Zoo, Maybe it's this one.
1908: 508 N 80th St, Seattle, WA 98103. Built 1911.
Oddly enough the 1908 address is for a home that was constructed in 1911, he may have lived in a home that existed prior on the site.
1910: 115 NW 78th St, Seattle, WA 98117. Redeveloped 2007.
"115 W 78th Street" is the rental address for Bretz prior to the discussed construction of his new home. The modern address for the rental site would be 115 NW 78th St near Green Lake. Seattle added N to the previously just W designation of addresses in the Green Lake / Ravenna area. Therefore, NW 78th is the proper designation. The Bretz rental home site was redeveloped in 2007, and the prior home on the site is unknown.
1914: 1014 NE 61st St, Seattle, WA 98115. Built 1910.
Records show that Bretz lived at 1014 Sylvester Place, which was renamed to NE 61st St. This is designated as Lot 10 Block 11 of the Cowen S University Park Addition north of the University of Washington. The home records show that it was built in 1910, not 1914, which may indicate that this is not the correct modern address.
Seattle Re-Address Designation (1961): Information about street directional designations can be found on the Seattle City Archives website.
We were visiting in Ellensberg Saturday and came back through on the way back to Grandview from Seattle. Look forward to meeting you when we move to Grandview in April.
Reference 51:20 on your timeline. In 1976, I worked as a Sectionman on the Benge, WA section gang. Benge, as in going on a binge, either a drunken binge or binge watching star wars. Benge was on the old Spokane, Portland & Seattle Railroad line. At the time, Burlington Northern was using it as the eastbound main line from Pasco to Spokane. The west bound mainline was the Northern Pacific line from Spokane to Pasco. Prior to the Great Northern-Northern Pacific merger which formed Burlington Northern, the SP & S was jointly owned by the other two. The Chicago Burlington and Quincy was the third party in that merger. The Northern Pacific at that time ran through Yakima, Ellensburg and up over Stampede Pass. The Chicago, Milwaukee, Saint Paul and Pacific ran across the center of the state on what is now the Iron Horse Trail, aka John Wayne Trail. The Great Northern went ( and still does) from Spokane through Wenatchee, over Stevens Pass to Seattle. The CMSP&P was part electric, part coal, and part diesel, and ran all the way to Chicago, as did the NP and the GN. The Union Pacific came in from Hermiston, Oregon, and went to Kennewick and Hanford, and had a line up the Snake River and the Palouse River to Spokane. As for the dozen or so short lines in Eastern Washington, those were well before my time, and I have nothing even resembling knowledge of them. Thank you for your work. I have been a fan for several years now. Kennewick Man from Moody, TX.
Thank you Nick for helping us appreciate the fascinating history behind our understanding of geology. Learning about Bretz’s personal life, especially in relation to historically established scientific misconceptions, is truly inspiring. Beyond the understanding of geology, your lectures underscore the importance of curiosity, critical thought and creativity to promote divergent thinking to realize deeper understanding, connections and appreciation for our environment.
And ...............Bijou steals the show!
Hello from Sacramento, Ca
Nick; I took the Cheney Trolley virtually thanks to those RR buffs you mention. After reading the Bretz 1922 notes page 9 and referring to a couple of topo maps I then used Google Earth to compile all this info. Best I can tell, the "old brickyard" site is now Roos Field, I'm concerned that what Bretz was able to observe has been covered over by modern construction. But probably worth a reconnoiter regardless.
Bottoms up!
Nick, have become a huge fan since I found your videos a couple years ago.
I can easily see the calling of the geology and ice age erosion of Washington and the west. I love it out there.
But I sure wish we had someone of your caliber to help us understand the geology and topography of your roots in Wisconsin and here in Minnesota.
My house sits on what had to be a sandbar in a huge river draining glacial lake Grantsburg. I just learned of glacial lake Anoka, that has to be the source of all the clay on the farm I grew up...
Both of these events also contributed to the flows that carved the potholed canyon at Taylor Falls on the St. Croix river.
Love Nick and his present ions. He is so astute and knowledgeable 👍👍
Great idea to include others interested people in the research.
Just so you know, Tekoa is pronounced Tea-koe.With the accent on Tea. My brother in-law use to be mayor. And I did a lot of growing up in Oakesdale, about 10 miles S/W of Tekoa. Granite lake is just north of I-90, about a mile west of the 4 Lakes exit. 4 Lakes is the exit off I-90 to get to Cheney. I've never heard of Binge, but Bingen is just across the Columbia from Hood River.
23:00 Jolie maps.
There are HAM Raido programs/applications that will show line of sight for a specified location. Adding this feature to your maps will give perspective of what Bretts could see and how that affects his insights.
It doesn't surprise me that Bretz lived in Homewood, Illinois. The area is a glacial moraine one of many rings in the Chicago area. Homewood is connected to the University of Chicago by the Illinois Central Commuter line. My geology hobby started in college. Its unfortunate his passion for teaching geology to high school students ended so many years earlier. I would have loved to have a geology class at Homewood- Flossmor High School.
The bay must have been historically river path that drained all of California rivers out to the ocean. Thanks fun talk good to see your kitty.
Regarding brick yards, kilns for firing bricks are generally built on hillsides adjacent to clay deposits. The siting of the kiln provides natural draft to increase the temperature of the fire without the need for a tall chimney. The clay deposit is the most important thing to search for as transporting the clay costs money. Finally, a nearby creek is useful.
😻💕🐈 I'm so excited for this upcoming A-Z series. While I love the coulees, shrubsteppe, and wheat fields of eastern WA, it's learning local history, geography, and the details that make a place which helps a landscape stay with you. Thank you Nick for seeking to tell some of these stories and thank you to this community of viewers for contributing so much information. ❤
Interesting about those who were before Bretts. Thank you whoever made the map from the notes - how cool. Thanks Nick, keep up the good work.
so excellent
enjoyed the show, after the fact, because YT cant seem to notify me properly.. even after hitting the "notify me" button well ahead of time.. never got a notification - at all!
but anyway.. I enjoy the history tied to the geology, and am looking forward to the new A to Z series!
Have a great time at the Penrose!! Hope to see a vid or two while you are there.
check you settings, mine was not on all, so I was not getting notified. hope this helps
@@churlburt8485 - i have, and it was turned on, but I STILL dont get notifications- sometimes for HOURS after i should have. That is on YT
Granite lake runs along I90 by Cheney.
My family lives in Tekoa, pronounced Tee- coe
critical thinking..proven facts..and more data...new and old....climate data comes to mind for me.....love your credibility during this journey
I don’t know why you do this, but I sure am glad that you do.
I get a huge kick out of your journey down the Bretz rabbit hole.
Nick, I enjoy your lectures. Can you direct me to some reading on glacial lake carbon. It seems that when the Puget loan receded there was a flood then the ice dam on the Carbon River melted. The flood affected Thurston and Pierce Counties. Thanks CD.
I wonder how long it will be before Ken Burns comes knocking on your door to do a multiple part story on J. Harlan Bretz
and his work? Peter Coyote fan here. I could listen to him (and you Nick) talk all day!
It’s ALL good. Everything!
History is the best time travel. “Armchair time travel “
The best…… especially when you can pause it to get a snack! 😘
What a fascinating paragraph you read from Bretz! The exposure of glacial till underneath substantial loess accumulation certainly implies pre-Wisconsin till, but I’m wondering about why that would be in a Brick factory pit. Bricks were, I think, usually made largely from clay. Maybe there was an exposure of pre-Spokane clay there, otherwise no-one would have dug through the loess and underlying till to get to the clay…
I hope the location of the pit is found! How fascinating that would be to see what Bretz saw over 100 years ago!
From Wikipedia: The Spokane and Inland Empire Railroad Company (S.&I.E.R.R.Co.) was an electrified interurban railway operating in Spokane, Washington and vicinity, extending into northern and central Idaho. The system originated in several predecessor roads beginning c. 1890, incorporated in 1904, and ran under its own name to 1929. It merged into the Great Northern Railway. Jerry
INDIAN CREEK, Nick! We own a wheat farm north of Davenport which partially encompasses Indian Creek. My farmer husband is also a Geologist, EWU, LSU grad. Along with loess, there are scab lands, mima mounds, ripple marks, erratics, lots of flood evidence. We haven't seen till but will start looking. I believe there is till, terminal moraines closer to the Spokane River.
Hunters, my husband also attended Geology Field Camp mapping area around Hunters..
Would like to visit with you if possible! Could you please email me? nick@geology.cwu.edu
Was in Sunday service where this was broadcast live.
Nick, Pardee was important in the bay area ( SF) California in dam building and water tunnels to get water to the area from the mountains so might get some info from Cal Berkeley geology library and Oakland city library ( one of the earliest public library systems my family here early and Oakland had first rail in area my family helped build) Oakland near the lake Marrit is the main library and it has a big historic library available to the public... big collection so look there for info on Pardee.
There is some volcanic soil in the granby river valley just to the north of Spokane outsideof Grand Forks B.C. Locals say the Town is built on a old dormant volcano ? I am sure you could find out from the Geologic survey maps. This seems to be in the right area under the icesheet and just east of the Okanogan valley. Cheers Mike
Are there observations coming out of Greenland with the ice melting there that can inform us about waterflows beneath ice sheets in the past?
Thank you, Joel for sending Nick your map that track Bretz move 100 years ago according to Bretz field notes! Nick, could you make it available to view sometime? It would be real helpful for my confused brain when it comes to having a map in my mind...🤣✨💗
He will post it on his site
You have to love a cat!
Pantops is a stop on flag only station on the Inland Empire Electric RR, there is a Pantops road on the south hill Spokane, not sure of the route but it seemed to have headed south towards Valleyford. My best guess is between Moran and Valleyford along Ben Bur road(old right of way?) The RR was gone in 1939. I’m enjoying this whole process!!
Pretty sure the gravel pit at Pantops is at the intersection of Carnahan and Glenn rose rd, the pit is still there.
I’ve found the right of way followed it up from the main power house, Ben Bur trail up and over Spokanes south hill, towards Valleyford, the alluvial fan he talks about heads towards Duncan.
Perhaps you could add a "wish list" summary to the FLOODS page ?
This is a great idea!
When you are all done with Bretz you could probably write a book on him.
In the 1930 US census Harlen, Fannie and their 2 children are living in their own home at 2114 Cedar Road Homewood occupation teacher University private.
Spencer was a post office that operated between the years 1911 and 1918
I appreciate your scientific method application. I am very interested in breaking the scholastic log jams that brush off verifiable data that runs counter to their held and taught beliefs. Just be you, I’m quite certain that you can’t be anything else. It’s fun to watch your wrecking ball and bulldog character eat away at these false beliefs. These very man made log jams in fact prohibit actual growth and understanding of the actual facts all over our geological history. Sarcasm is required in science and hubris is antithetical.
Nick: if Bretz is traveling by train, then a lot of those place names (that don't show on modern maps) were most likely sidings. A double track area where trains could pass, and I suppose passengers could get off or on. It remains that the railroads give names to these sidings. So, a map of present and historical rail lines would or should reveal those locations.
Possible anyone has a technique to get a SMS notification ONLY for Nicks streams, disconnected from google?
I think Carlson is on to something, his problem is that he sees everything as evidence of an impact. Like the old adage says, when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Great show Nick. I really like the history great way to see if different people were seeing the same thing - keep it up.
You know all this was simpler when it was dust from china (long ago) and a giant flood. Now there are lots of questions about what happened when and someothers like do we really understand the source of all that loess what happened to it and its deposition? What about the interplay between loess and glacial events? Do we have that nailed down? A question that iccurred to me during the talk was - I get that the glaciers rafted boulders and bulldozed boulders in front of them - wouldn't the glaciers have bulldozed loess as well? Are the terminal morraines big enough to truly account for all the ground up rock? Does the depth of loess in the palouse really make sense given what all we know? I guess you can see I'm confused as it seems to me all the pieces should be reasonably accounted for.
Enjoy Idaho!
Bay area big brick yard at point Richmond now condos go through tunnel by the Richmond plunge. Historic oven site still there another brickyard near San Quentin and San Rafael Bridge at San Rafael end ( red bricks in our area we have a wall of them very hard brick nothing like ones made now) the old brick areas were low hills near the bay bricks used to build early San Francisco Oakland etc.. I love history as did both my parents ( my dad a handset printer obviously loved books).
Great show! I bring my cats inside at night to prevent raccoon issues.
There’s a stray cat in my neighborhood that runs with the raccoons. She holds her own when feeding and gives them a swat when they get too greedy.
@@hughdanaher2758 that’s awesome!
We started putting out cheap dry cat food at thinking if the racoons aren't hungry they won't bother the cats. It worked well and after doing for a few years plus one mother racoon that got injured somehow and learned our place was safe came every night. She was very friendly but cautious would ask for food sometimes even during the day. Her and her offspring would sometimes walk up touch us on the foot but then back off quickly. A few times she and cubs would eat out our hands but that's not something we did very often. Probably the cutist thing I ever seen was at 3 or 4 in the afternoon sun shining bright I'm on the back deck and I look over at where the electric meter comes up there's a little hole there and first 1 little head then 2nd right behind it where baby raccoons pre bandit mask just looking at me. They come up from under the deck run around for a min come right up real close to me probable eat some dry food then mom shows and leads them away. Raccoons are pretty awesome and came be very chill and friendly if they are not having to struggle. So if you're having an issue with them leave out a little bit of food and a bowl of water near it and turn them into a friend. After that it was safer for cats because they helped keep away other bigger prey like cougars.
Oh also the raccoons only acted this way on our property where they learned they where safe. If be at a friend's down the street and see the raccoons. They would keep their distance or just take off. You could tell it was the same ones because momma raccoon had the same injury which was one of her front paws was flattened out. Our guess was somehow her paw was ran over by a car. She was around for 3 or maybe 4 years with new babies every year. We believe it was one of her last cubs that would come right up to us and eat out our hands, run up and touch our shoes. It would also just chill out with us sometimes to on our back deck. I'd really like to not be in the city again and be able to make some more raccoon friends.
@@sirshmiggins2786 my boy cat is a little shit head and not smart enough to not start problems himself. He’s still young and dumb lol
In 1910, Harlen, Fanny and her sister are living in a house he owns (mortgage free) 115 W-78 St Seattle ward 11. Been married 4 years and is a teacher (city)
Looking closely he was likely there researching his PhD paper on the Puget Sound. Have sent source materials in email to Nick
1:11:00 100k+ glacial till. There should be 3major advices and 4 retreats with minor ebb and flows
Thank you Nick. Enjoyed as always 😂
Did you notice one of Myron Cook’s vids got 2.1 million views. Is geology the new black? 🤨
Have had Star-link for over a year in WWA. Just wait about a minute or less and ir re-connects. Best we ever had. 10.6 times better than the reg phone service and deleted that and saved $100.00 a month. RE: Bijou: Just learned elderly cats should stop eating dry food, cz of very slowed digestion, lack of drinking enough, and dry excrement issues.
Did you try looking at WSU archives of the library or cooperative extension office in terms of pictures
Andy bary
Yay Bijou the wonder cat 🐈!!
If you go down the rabbit hole called J. Harlan Bretz, there's no turning back! 😊
New exciting things around every bend.
I just returned to Seattle from my second ice age floods excursion at central Washington. I think next trip it would be interesting to fly over the scablands to see the geology.
I’ve often thought so too… wonder if we can find a geologist pilot who could do that. Would be a costly but interesting firmed trip…. I’m in
What are you waiting for? Do it and film it with someone. And a big thank you ahead of time!
lots of flights online already.
Is it greedy to use( not take advantage of) w willing and eager crowd sorce? I think not.
Tekoa, Hebrew word for city of tents, Whitman Co.
I would help if you provided the spelling of the names of the science teachers from Spokane
carbon dating can take you back to about 50kyrs
Do you Shawn Willsey professor from College Southern Idaho? He has a UA-cam channel. Close to your Idaho State University.
He might have connections on research about Bretz.
Kenny the trucker from Oregon. 😉
Hello nick do ever compare notes with Shawn down in idaho?
There is also a documentary about Edziza (in BC Canada) being a complex of 50 volcanoes with sub-glacial eruptions. It also explains that the weight of the ice can contribute to volcanoes erupting due to the pressure.
ua-cam.com/video/Ry2dJuJ-9UE/v-deo.html
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Too bad modern academia seems to be failing history. Narrative enforcement is probably a better description. Now history is simply rewritten, context is ignored, and inconvenient facts are ignored or dismissed by straw-man argument with no opposing voice.
love a good scavenger hunt! the geology of geologist. goes back to the first man who stubbed his toe on a rock. He must have pondered where that damn rock come from thank you ALL stay safe
I knew I liked this guy! I just saw 3 PEPEs on a wall!
Ya Bijou!!
Thanks Nick!
Hope someone can help you on research.
Kenny the trucker from Oregon.
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I will assume they were looking for gold and other valuable minerals. Probably paid by a corporation or such
Geological surveys probably go back to Lewis and Clark and forward. Finding valuable minerals was a main goal
Yep, the railroads did all kinds of surveys in the mid 1800s.
Is any of this in The Library of Congress?