1540 Power From Paper - Hydroelectric Generation Like You Have Never Seen Before
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Imagine the filter in your HVAC system generating power - theoretically, all the air in your home passes it, bringing all the moisture with it - interesting.
I would think so
More importantly, the water would eventually reach a stasis point...but heat from the room increases this effect...which means from a energy standpoint, all the energy to make the electricity is coming from heat. Which means if you are using the electricity outside of the building you are cooling the water.
Imagine building a system that could use humidity or storm rain moisture to make electricity, store it, and run a small air conditioner.
This is a really interesting idea but one use I could definitely see for this would be testing humidity either for a greenhouse or a weather tower to protect if it was going to rain
Also here's another idea, could you use this to power some small electronics in the bathroom while taking a shower or bath?
that's a nice idea
Combine capillary action with hydroelectric generators. That's some serious power.
Medical devices and sensors are the main immediate use for wet-paper batteries.
for sure
I do this between two different metals like aluminium and copper, works very well. Thanks for sharing!!
I tried aluminum and carbon rod from an AA battery and got 0.9 volts
@@todordonev could you please explain your experiment details I.e the size of metal foil etc
@@JustMe-im8ch Simple kitchen foil + printer paper + pencil lead or carbon rod from a disassembled aa battery
@@todordonev but don't you think the surface area of a aa battery rod isn't good enough ? What if I use another paper with graphite coated on it?
I did paper sandwiched between two pieces of aluminum foil. One side of the paper I covered with pencil graphite. ~ 0.4V and 5.5uA
This is amazing. It will be interesting to see how this technology matures.
me too
That’s amazing! Our family is going to try some of the power generation experiments you have shown this summer. Paper, triboelectric, and the super capacitor that you created using the food-saver machine a while back. Maybe we’ll discover something great!
share it if you do mate and I wouldn't be at all surprised if you did
Mind-blowing. Can't wait to see how it all evolves.
me too
Unrelated to this video, but because the comments were deactivated in the C0208 video. I believe that the hoverboard motor can give more power than that, I think is a matter of the configuration. I would recommend checking "Finally a good usage for Hoverboards! " of great scott to see the construction. He ended up getting 0.5A by hand at 5V. Cheers
This is stunningly cool, so simple with endless possibilities; thanks again for bringing inspiration to all who listen.
Glad you like it!
Simply incredible, now that really is thinking outside of the "cardboard" box.
for sure mate
Amazing simple and ubiquitous effect. Im not sure on 2:40 if talking about electrical current. I expected a micro or mili Amper unit
Great video! Thanks for doing battery tech videos.
cheers mate
Great video, you learn something every day
Some of the concepts you unearth are truly astounding!
the world is full of very clever people mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering Indeed!
Truly, reality IS stranger than fiction!!! Go man go ! Robert is a wellspring of knowledge concerning the most magical essence of the universe...electricity ! Thank you for keeping me young in my 55 years,lol. On strangeness, I once glimpsed a spinning top in a dream, as a boy. It accelerated with a piercing whine and suddenly imploded with and audible pop ! DISAPPEARED but for a wisp of condensation .... Later in life I found the writings of a Mr.Townsend Brown, Nicola Tesla, Otis T. Carr. BUT, it was a video of Ralph Ring ,retelling his amazing research with Otis T. Carr who had been close to Mr. TESLA. They manufactured plate size aluminum capacitor/dynamo discs that spun so fast.....they 💢.
Heaven is endless.
I take it that this is how those digital hydrometers get there first signal to convert to digital data.
Water is the key to free energy. How it flows... making loops with it... evaporation... It's H20 so it's literally made of energy.
There a video on youtube about wet paper electricity. Very few views, but looks pretty real. He used small squares of maybe 10 page pieces thickness, pretty wet. About 7 in series, with nails right through and then connected with wires to a digital clock. Seems legit, unless he had a battery hidden somewhere inside. But then it reset after he disconnects and reconnects. Worth experimenting more maybe
Turns out, that's a battery, I built one today, and made it wet with a spray bottle of water, it made about a hundred millivolts (pretty good for a wet 2×7cm piece of notebook paper and some foil), but after it was left to dry and tested again, it didn't work, regardless of the amount of water, the hydrogen must have been used up.
Deterioration ought to be slower on the air moisture one, but it will still deteriorate. I didn't leave it running very long (I had other prototypes to build) but it could probably run for maybe a half hour (I tested it later when it was still wet) before going to half power, and that's an optimistic estimate, so I'd give the 1 millivolt humidity based one about 100 hours or so.
I am surprised how these papers get accepted!! Any source of water that is not de-ionised would generate ion/electron movement when met with electrodes and a load!! Might be worth trying cotton or maybe a non-woven mask material which does not include paper and not cellulose-based, would it generate some voltage?! Water always contains some ions that would move towards a load to generate a potential difference!
I chose this paper amongst a few hundred - I am not sure what you are saying is quite right
Imagine the wall paper being impregnated with metallic patterns just like it used to be but used as circuits.
for sure
Geez this technology is so fundamentally simple I can't help feel humanity has almost come full circle and some politician will start flying a kite to tap into the ionosphere and ground for its difference in potential . Humanity is Probably only 10 years from whacking some conductive carbon ink onto the pyramids to open up the blackhole again ! 😂
it's why I liked it - such simplicity
Wow what an amazing Idea 💡🤓
I agree mate
So reading a book in the bath makes it more stimulating 😀
lol - indeed
Very interesting, cheers Rob
cheers mate
Soak the paper in hydroskopic salts and paint a black / carbon collector on top and it should generate a fair amount if put in the sunlight
for sure
Sir Robert, you are doing such great favor to all of us by sharing such unique new and astounding ideas of power generation. I will be experimenting on some of these i.e triboelectric, paper electricity, Newman motor, rodin coil etc
Did they say anything about the paper braking down after being moist for a while? Interesting! Would need some anti fungal properties.
You have me trying to recollect. The paper that can be slightly alkaline or acidic through the ages and we say low or high ph .There's a decrease in paper quality and thickness around ww2 austerity years . Some kind of fungus in old books and magazines is a problem for me with sneezing bouts . Anyway i think it may be zinc di ethyl in gas form or close to which was settled on for treating ancient library books to preserve them against fungus by immersing the books into the gaseous concoction . I believe most fungus also prefers a sligjtly alkaline situation.
the paper industry is truly amazing mate - things go on ion that industry you wouldn't believe
Electric wall paper! Electric Art! Electric slip covers! Electric carpet and floor rugs! Electric tablecloths and napkins...
theist just goes on and on lol
Why is it that a little blow always gives a charge?....sorry Rob, just couldn't help myself 😁
lol - it's one way to get things fired up guess lol
Transference of energy within the sea of energy manifestation of it is infinite. Like Electric is only made manifest within a wire heat transfer hot goes to cold cold goes to hot all is transference within the field. We are all learning so quickly ...I have no school qualifications nor science or any other subjects but it comes and comes ....all is in the field of the same conscious field. Thanks for sharing your brilliant experiments. 👍
Nice to meet you all, before we watch the movie - can we all please blow onto my wallpaper? !
lol - or just sweat a bit
5:40 I was just about to say Wallpaper :)
nice lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering When we go to the Toilet we get an electric shock :)
This is really interesting. It would be nice to see more of it. It would be great to produce some passive electricity! :D
That would be cool!
Is this electrodynamically reversible? Can I make a dehumidifier by just feeding it power?
I would guess so
Absorbing moisture makes the current. If you reversed it, you'd be releasing moisture, dehydrating the paper - you'd have a humidifier. Probably more from heat dissipation than electrically moving hydrogen ions though. This is actually how they make panko bread crumb. The wet bread conducts electricity and dissipates heat, causing the moisture to leave the bread. When it's dry, it stops conducting, so it automatically stops cooking at the right time.
@@DFPercush Im pretty sure the current is formed as a consequence of the movement of water across a moisture gradient, not directly from the adsorption itself.
So if you used laser inscribed graphene process to convert one side completely and did a pattern on the other you would produce electricity from humidity?
That's amazing, thanks for sharing! 🎉
no worries mate
Interesting. So whatever you make also make it in its own greenhouse
A generator/ dehumidifier for swamp coolers comes to mind.
You find the most interesting strange quirky physics. So awesome really.
Moisture in the air…you live in England. Convert empty barns into huge water evap generators.
thank you mate
Another great video Robert! You should do a video on creating one usable for say camping or emergency use
cheers mate
I've seen gigantic evaporative coolers made for industrial spaces e.g. greenhouse growlabs where the walls were 8ft corrugated sheets of paper that wicked the water. Thermostats could be powered by such a device to automatically turn on and off.
How many things could such a device power. Those greenhouses can cover thousands of feet per dome!
oh Qom - that is cool - in more ways than one lol
Very interesting, there must yet another excuse for not handing homework in. "Sorry sir, my homework gave me a shock"
lol - my wife is a teacher and she tells me some homework that is handed in is also quite shocking lol
Chinese and Japanese paper screen walls they probably knew this and used it a few centuries back but now we only see it as a decorative strange way of living with paper walls ...? Reseting goes all the way back?
Would a super hydrophobic coating on the dry side help? If you burn a candle the soot would create a super hydrophobic coating.
I don't know - worth a try
I wonder if pencil traces would be enough to conduct across the paper if using a larger area.
give it a go
Is the reverse true?
Can you pass a current through the paper and collect moisture?
Interesting as it is cheap and easy to increase the surface area. Just keep away the moulds. According to the paper it is roughly 10 exp -10 watt per cm2. A square meter is just a microwatt. I think we need orders of magnitude higher power
indeed
This is really amazing, paper generators.
I agree - truly astounding
Evaporative cooler, swamp cooler would be a great application. Self running circulation pump for the unit. That would be amazing
That would be cool
@@ThinkingandTinkering I see what you did there...
Very cool! But, paper quickly degrades from humidity. It wouldn't last. Couldn't you get the same output (or BETTER) from materials other than paper?
Considering the existence of the aluminum air battery... >> can u please setup a control real quick ?
we looked at a couple of Japanese and Chinese papers four years ago - they reckoned it was motion of ions hitting the surface
Please keep pushing this idea.
All that is needed is 1,000 Murray-Smiths breathing on a sheet of paper to make 150 volts. Piece of cake really. Will last as long as all previous endeavours, the most promising of which was paper/graphite super capacitors which went no where. Just a thought, how does nicotine in the breathe affect the outcome? Especially if a thousand?
did you read the paper?
@@ThinkingandTinkering Yes I read the paper. I am about to build a 1,500 MW Pumped Hydro Energy Storage and before I change to paper I calculated that if I used A4 paper I would only need 3,850,000,000 tonnes of paper. Yep 3.8 billion tonnes. I thought perhaps I could make some car batteries since you had some thoughts about that. In which case a standard car battery 12V 110 Ah might be more sensible. Of course it needs only 12.2 million tonnes of A4. If it is all the same, I will stick to plodding along using a bit of cement, steel and some copper wire. I think a bit rich to say the technology is like hydro generation The paper has the gall to suggest "the power output can be conveniently tuned by changing the humidity, temperature and number of devices by simple series/parallel connections." Really? Tune a 1.5 cm2 piece of paper at billionth of a watt level? You are way smarter than me. It doesn't seem to be very practical. Perhaps I should be thinking like you and go to AAA cell. Then I might get the paper to fit inside my flashlight. I do worry about the number of forests my flashlight will need.
Damn the UA-cam censorship..... I have a question for the whole Community. Has anyone given thought on converting these types of paper fuel cells INTO Microbial Fuel Cells for electric generation using electric microbes that live well on evaporative surfaces? For reference; the website Nature, has an article titled "Microbial Biofilms for electricity Generation from water evaporation and power to wearables"
Hmmm. Dont know which video it was..
I think BigClive made a video about a humidity (re-)mover insert for cabinets.
It was a membrane with some electric wizardry surface finish..
Apply Voltage and it moves the moisture from one side to the other.
Wasnt fast or cheap, but it worked...
And humidity always gets in..
To sum it up: thats the reverse effect i guess..
i wonder if you could use ceder bark to make paper, and then possibly build a drip type setup under a rain barrel filled with straw 🤔or whatever setup they used in the 1800s to make lye. ya might need a few barrels stacked (i cant remember the exact process) just a google away though 😉 anyone pickin up what i'm layin down?
This is fascinating. I’m wondering how it would work here in the southern part of the US where the humidity gets crazy in the summer.
Seems to be pretty useless unless I missed something. This works on a humidity gradient. If, as stated, on side is impermeable (solid on one side holes on the other he said) in short order there will be no gradient - hence no power. To work, you must somehow remove the water from the side that is opposite the source of the water. This requires energy.
yes - that's where the energy comes from - it's evaporation of water the causes the ion movement
@@ThinkingandTinkering Thank you very much for the reply. I assumed that evaporation was required but one side, the solid metal coated one, is impermeable and there can be no evaporation. Even if a permeable conductor is used instead of a solid metal one the amount of power that can be generated is still dependent on the relative humidity, temperature, water source, etc. It is an interesting phenomenon but seems unlikely to ever be a practical power source.
How about wet steam? Typically a steam turbine needs superheated steam so the blades don't get destroyed by water droplets. Maybe this could work with low temperature steam?
that is a very interesting thought and I would bet it would after all evaporation is pretty much very very low grade steam
..changing the world one idea at a time.
What happens to the moisture? Does it break down into H2 and O? Also I wonder about the electrolytic effects on the metals -- you're probably making some aluminum oxide on the one side.
did you read the paper?
A real use for wearing a thin paper mask as I walk around the planet :)
I want to know if its possible to put infrared panel on a suncollector to make it hot like the sun does.
Awesome vid...
The thinner and less permeable the paper the better? Paper, collector, paper but how plasticizedcan we make it so that charge differential is maintained?
I would imagine it's the opposite really - but I don't know - did you read the paper?
this may be an interesting idea but could you take this and added to a aquarium in a room? or maybe as simple as a fishbowl
Have you tried it with your conductive ink?
not yet
Power up in the London fog, when solar and wind is the weakest.
that would work lol
Thanks, nice video
cheers mate
interesting...you could combine it with cooling
I would imagine so
Hmm... incredible, the places energy is found.
I think so
Does miscelium "fibers" have the same proprieties as wood fiber?
I don't know - give it a go
@@ThinkingandTinkering i certainly cant undergo projects like this in my appartment. If i ever get a chance to buy a place someday, I'll certainly get involved into some experimental research. There are things i can do obviously, but imagine doing you experiments without you shop in a 20sq foot room that is already used xD...
It would be interesting is a tree could be turned into a generator using the same principles as using paper🤔
My hypothesis is you can you can speed up the process of hydrogen production on the platinum electrode because the biggest problem is the hydrogen bubble sticks on there. I think I can prove it by using an old hard drive that's platinum coated disc on it and make that the negative side of the electrode and have it spinning to release the hydrogen bubbles off faster
And on the positive side just have the stainless steel wool with a whole bunch of old hard drive magnets like a hundreds of them in there for the positive side done in 5 gal stainless steel kegs
Wow, it has been a while since I heard something new.
awesome
Seems to be another variation of an air battery
no mate I don't think it is - it's more related to the movement of the water through evaporation
we live in a time where air pollution is so bad that acid are in the air
cool now add a charge pump circuit to it
now there is an idea lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering tested this morning with dry paper, I was producing about 600 milivolts but then realized my finger was holding the polars, removed that and only produced about 18 milivolts, then tested one finger connected to an aluminum and then other without aluminum and produced about 500-600 milivolts, human body produced more volts, that's crazy.
Can you compare to burning the paper and using the heat to power a thermoelectric generator?
? - it would have far far less energy - once burnt it is gone this works on evaporation of water - the paper isn't consumed
Is it the dry pile of oxford bell?
I don't know - interesting thought
What is the tranparent aluminum film he used?
Does the paper degrade or decompose when used this way ?
not especially quickly I believe - did you read the paper?
I wonder if you could make a big dish shape that had just the right hole size to make it a wick the water from the air/wind.
Might be a stupid comment. I will blame it on a busy weekend
I like it mate - if you have a chance give it a go
please try combining your electrostatic generator with the forces like water,air and the earth battery you attempted in this video.
you mentioned holding a wire in the air to generate electrostatic micro amps,i would just like to see the difference in sticking a wire in the air, some water,the earth or even combining each element if they generate energy
Surprised you didn't try urine! Another great video.
lol - can you imagine the comments lol
Something to make of my broken vape , cigarette buts and some vinegar.
awesome
How do you collect these small voltages and store them? Do you have a video on how to do this? I am making millivolts with my generator but I can’t figure out how to store and use it.
Those face maskes may end up being handy after all!!!!
Stick one on both ends and you got double action.
indeed lol
Is your ‘phone in desperate need of a charge? No problem, just read a newspaper in the bath or shower.🛀
Imagine going to register a paper about a paper :))
Is this not the same principle upon which the paper battery is based?
no
Breathing on my wallpaper for electricity. Show me more please please
have read at a few papers mate
Traditional Japanese homes coming back in style? :)
lol- yep
Isn't all research into electrical generation basically based on paper
indeed
Impressive
for sure
Just recently discovered your channel and very much enjoy your videos. I'm very curious what your qualifications are. Not in a you don't know what you're talking about way, just in a general hey what are your qualifications because you sure seem to know a lot about a lot of cool stuff kind of way.
How awesome....
for sure
But energy can neither be created nor destroyed? From where does this energy ultimately come? We do know that humid air has more energy than dry air. After all, when water vapor condenses into liquid water it gives up heat. How can these devices work 24/7 as claimed? Won't the humid air eventually permeate the whole device, shutting down production of electricity? Does the device have to be recharged by drying out? (drying out takes energy). Maybe it works on a humidity gradient? When the humidity is low it is in the drying phase and is not generating electricity, and when the humidity increases, it then generates electricity?? Or maybe in the drying mode it generates electricity of the opposite polarity? I worked on a silica gel - Near-IR humidity sensor 30+ years ago. It takes a few minutes to maybe an hour for a change of air humidity to premeate through a silica thin-layer chromatography plate.
Will the paper eventually run out of Hydrogen?
no