A great tragedy. Taking history away from our eyes and not letting people know our past and learn from it is one of the biggest crimes against humanity. Shame on anyone who does this.
FYI. It continues. But right now they are focused on turning humanity on itself. I am an example and a witness to the fact that millions are owned by the satanic web in our country. Often called organized crime. They are baring false witness against thousands of people across our nation and in every community. The criminals own the victims, the laboratories, much of the legal system. Stop supporting their isolation of individuals. It's all deception. Watch for it in your community. Lies against isolated individuals,,, Criminals run is packs and have community support. Beware. Don't let them use you to isolate or harm others.
The US is good at hiding our history. I am sure many countries do it too, but history has a way of resurfacing and revealing its ugly truth. Our technology is revealing more and more. The truth will always surface even if we have to figure it out.
I found this very interesting and rather ironic that I watched this on Columbus Day. I'm a firm believer that they only teach you what they want you to know. This was extremely enlightening. Thank you for telling us about this.
You did a excellent job with this documentary. Your evidence was backed up with a lot of facts. History they don't want us to know about. Very informative. It kept me watching. I am very impressed by the content. Thanks again.
Some part of history is being re written every day. I am 70 years old, and from watching videos like this, and in astronomy, scientific, in nature, archeological, and medical etc, I could write a volume on what has been reconsidered or proven wrong. There is no question that this will continue through time. Thank you for this example.🙂
It is amazing how much the smithsonian destroyed to fit their definition of history. We now know many ancient people were here. Thank you for this deep dive.
Would it have been better if they displayed the artifacts as evidence of the intense “racism” of our region? Any legends that they don’t approve of are racist, don’t you know? At this point, most people believe this legend isn’t true, but there’s always that ‘what if’ factor that makes me wish the Smithsonian at least kept the “probably not true” items in a separate section. It’s frustrating hearing institutions claim “historically people hate anything they don’t understand.” And then do the exact same thing! Demonize entire groups of curious, adventure seeking people just because the city dwelling “academics” don’t understand why we value our own folklore even if it’s not true. It’s piece of history (like it or not) and a contributing to our desire to preserve the land. You’d think they’d appreciate it in that respect. But no, we’re all just dumb, racist, country bumpkins to them.
@@Sanecrist If you keep people dumbed down and make them feel inferior, you can control them. Keeping people in fear is also a huge part of the controlling too. Look at what goes on now with the powers that should't be.......start digging for truths of anything and everything and you will find we have and are being lied to.
@@BartG87- Oh for sure, much evidence of that. Seems to me that somewhere in the early 1900's they started hiding all of that. There are many newspaper accounts of finding giant bones all over.............then it just stopped. Getting rid of evidence and denying they ever had it. It is a shame what we let them do to us in every way imaginable.
What a magnificent work this is. The images, the dialogue, the music blend into a fascinating well researched film on an obscure curious historic legend. I'm impressed with the wide-ranging texts and objects you've found. Clearly a lot of good work went into making this documentary. Great time watching this. Thanks for the work you've done here. It couldn't have been made better.
Thank-you again, John! This one took a lot of research / editing to pull together, but I knew no one else was going to get it done. A researcher at Jeffersonville once had a film crew set up, to make a movie, it was going to be a big deal. I didn’t want to steal on his thunder. But after 6 years, I decided it wasn’t going to happen, and made my own. Hopefully people get something out of it, and start their own adventures! 🙂
I’m from wales and my dad always knew of a story of madoc he was the first to discover American and went from the afon ganol which is a small river that goes through my farm but back then it was much bigger I always thought he was just chatting shit
A private named Shannon who was on the Lewis and Clark expedition had welsh grandparents, he swore that the Mandan indians were speaking a strange dialect of Welsh and that he could nearly understand some of what they were saying
As an old(ish) Welsh man, I've been aware of the legend of Prince Madoc, for most of my life. I really appreciated your film, it was extremely interesting. Just wanted to point out that Madoc, is pronounced the same as mad, Madoc, not May, doc. Thank you again.
@Bobario1 the prefix Ap means ' son of ' in the Welsh language if the information I have gotten is correct. Like 'Mc' in Irish surnames. I don't know if this is true but I have heard it from Mr ApMadoc and also a Mr . ApLanalp , another man of Welsh ancestry who lives in near my home in southeast Indiana. I've always been fascinated with the story of Madoc and with Welsh history.
Rose Island was part of my childhood. My ancestors have lived both sides of the river for centuries. As a kid we'd take our boat up the river and explore the ruins of the abandoned Rose Island amusement park. When my widowed mother remarried she moved the family to Florida when I was 15 so my learning of my local history stopped until today. Goshen, Kentucky is where my mother was born just over the holler from Rose Island Road. Now I understand how it got it's name. It was the road that all the old time people would take to cross the river on a ferry to have a big time at Rose Island when my grandmother was a young woman. I wanna go back home and find me a Roman coin!
That area across from the Island, in Kentucky, is now a boat club. They have a restaurant there too, live music in the summer. 14 Mile Creek I’d love to explore with a boat. Worked with a guy who was going to retire and explore the Ohio River, should look him up.
That was wonderfully done, thank you. There are also legends of ancient Welsh being in the wilds of northern Alabama who left ruins. I believe it's the same Prince. Easy to look up.
There are remains of an ancient fort built in the Welsh style in a place called Bon Secour, Alabama on Mobile Bay that predates anything else European in America. It has been said for as long as I can remember that it was built by the Prince Maddoc. 31
Lots of interesting reads about the legend, some better than others of course. Too many dive into rabbit holes they shouldn’t, connecting other legends with zero evidence, splicing from other authors that also had no proof. I like to at least have something physical to pin my suppositions: pottery, petroglyphs, bones, graves, confirmed historical documentation. Not everything is a clue or a connection! 🙂
@@AdventureswithRoger bell beakers bro the fathers of welsh but much older. The first peoples where they the others came later indo eu dna as some have today
@@johnmcook1The Indo europeans built these. They will NEVER admit that because it would destroy their political angle that white europeans are invaders, and that this land belongs to native americans. Europeans were here first, there are even óral stories that talk about fáir skinned blue eyed and tattooed people with red hair. Look up the Duhare tribe, and the pictish writing found in oklahoma on youtube. My family is red haired, we are pictish/scots, and norse. I am 100 % sure my ancestors were here first, we are the only people who make burial mounds and bury our dead with red ochre in some areas. Look up the Yamnaya tribe, corded ware people. They all used burial mounds. So did my ancestors, Celts, picts, scots, anglo saxons, norse.
My dad was half Cherokee and told me when I was young that there were blue eyed native Americans. He had grown up in Missouri and moved to Indiana probably in the late 40s. He never lived in Southern Indiana so I don't know where he heard the story from. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work
Blue Green eye caucasian european celts picts hence from ARRATTA ultimately the oldest found arayan solar worshippers, henc3 the " so-called white indians "... hmmmm. Thanks im from that ancient line. !
Read about where they came from in the Book of Mormon the Native American author who abridged the history of all natives in America almost two thousand years ago
I grew up in Meade Co and spent many a day at the library (the old one) and never head of this legend until a couple days ago with this video. It brings a smile to my face to see my old stomping grounds featured in your videos, Roger. Thank you.
My true pleasure! As much as I enjoy telling these stories, it brings me even more joy, to hear I’ve brought back good memories. Some have moved away, and they miss their home towns. Others can no longer get out, and it’s the closest they’ll get to going back. It’s an honor and a privilege. 🙂
Fascinating, if Madoc traveled at all he came from Rhos-on Sea, a story I've long followed. The story is that he had heard Viking stories of a land far to the far beyond the Western horizon and we think of Leif Erikson. Who was a Viking and visited Canada we understand from the Viking Sagas although not remaining long, he non the less visited in the 11th century. Keep up the good work.
Roger this video is amazing bravo 👏. I guess we can all agree some ages ago the Smithsonian’s path took a turn to no longer preserve History but hide it . I believe all History books should be re- written. Good job Roger. Sharing 🤗💕
It started with one of guy in charge of the Smithsonian, that was in competition with the Wright brothers. He even built a test facility behind the Smithsonian to test his plane. He was known to throw out claims and ideas he didn’t like, his philosophy later being called “conservative” or “protecting the public interest”. In truth, he wanted to control a narrative.
The keepers (and destroyers) of ancient artifacts have pushed their narrative so hard, so long. At this point even if they did have a change of heart and let out some of the truth they would have to admit being liars and plunderers so that's out of the question. It's a real shame that so much worldwide will never be known due to selfish jokers throughout history, like Langley. Those that thought their contrived perceptions were what the rest of humanity needed to know as truth. Thanks to Roger, and others, it's a blessing we can at least get an honest peek into reality through the things that did slip through the cracks.
I absolutely don't want to give anyone the right to change history cart blanche. Only if we find solid evidence to do so. I agree with you on the last thing.
There are remains of an ancient fort built in the Welsh style in a place called Bon Secour, Alabama on Mobile Bay that predates anything else European in America. It has been said for as long as I can remember that it was built by the Prince Maddoc.
@@AdventureswithRoger it would be worth you looking up a professor called LEE PENHALE, his knowledge on this subject, including this roman coins and the stone is amazing, he too was hitting brick wslles by the smithsonian and other societies, he speaks of this in his books and videos.
It seems all legends when tested can be found to have some nugget(s) of truth. Great work once again in stimulating the imaginations of your viewers by doing the research and producing such excellent quality videos. This Madoc tradition and the Jonathan Swift Silver Mine Legend of KY seem to never die simply because no definitive evidence for or against can be gathered in enough quantity to convince a majority of people. I believe both legends have merit and shed a mysterious light upon our region of the county. John Filson's and Col. Harrod's disappearance add to these legends. Thank you for another great production!
I really enjoyed my time over at Slade, Kentucky. The Swift legend was all around you, including his statue at the Wolfe County courthouse. Hope to get over there, again!
This is really great material! It's just like the History Channel if the History Channel were to show any history. I'm glad you do these. I learn so much.
You’d think the history channel would pick up on everybody’s collective thoughts about their programming and bring it back to the old History channel , I do enjoy American pickers it should just be on a different channel
30 years ago I was told that there was a Welsh fort wall near Dupont Ind. Thus, the rock wall inside the Jefferson Proving Grounds. Wow Roger, thank you for confirming this. Also 30 years ago I had a friend who was visiting northern Indiana and said he heard on the news that there was a Viking boat which washed out of a sandbar down river from Chelsea Ind. Could a Coracle have been discovered in the Ohio River? This history is so fascinating. Thank you Roger.
Had not heard of any submerged old boats but the Alice Dean: it’s still in the Ohio River, confirmed by a US Navy survey. I did hear about a “petrified stone man”, found near Tell City, but that was found to be a prank. Edward Travers Cox identified a ton of ancient mounds and stone fortifications across Indiana and Ohio, published his findings in 1879. But pioneer farmers had zero value for these structures, they only cut down on how much they could harvest.
@AdventureswithRoger there was a massive mound in Columbus Ohio which was covered in dolomite and sandstone. It was something like 200ft wide and almost 8 feet tall. It took 6 horse drawn carriages a year and a half to remove the stone to use in building a bridge. Sadly, the remnants of the mound are all but gone and are on private property. The origional mound had to have taken an extremely long time to build
Hello! I really enjoyed your extremely informative video. I have heard about Prince Maddoc before. Here in Nebraska, we have a collection of paintings of the Mandan tribe. They settled in my area of Nebraska and then traveled up the Missouri River. They were very friendly with the European explorers, but the whole tribe became ill from one of the diseases that came with the explorers. There is a park in Omaha named in their honor. It is along a bluff overlooking the Missouri River, and I can't help but think that might have been one of their settlement sites. If I remember correctly, many of the River names in New England, especially Maine, have names very similar to Welsh names.
You just told me many things I didn’t know! Thank-you! From what I read, smallpox wiped out all but 125 Mandans. It was a devastating disease, brought to them from white people.
America itself was a Cymro colony really! The three major people involved in it were all associated with Wales - Elizabeth the first, Richard Ap Meryck (A(p)MERYCK-A) and John Dee! It’s only seen as English because that was the country in which the Welsh were in control of at the time. And the control the English have asserted in the modern era and education system.
Thank you, Roger, for putting ALL the Indiana info that you have found on the internet. If something horrible happens to all the physical items and places that you have recorded, at least it's recorded here for the future, hopefully.
What an absolutely amazing and well put together video! My father and I were completely absorbed into the show as we watched, totally enthralled. Great job Roger!
Just want to say how much I appreciate your work. Thank you for all the hours you dedicate to telling the most interesting content This type of content is why I love history. It’s the untold truths. I admire your passion it telling it. Thank you.
The Smithsonian also hides or has destroyed the skeletons of many 'giant' persons, ie, ruling class that were buried in mounds. Many were 6.5-8ft tall.
@@nightheron5892 You are mistaken. A California man excavated a dozen or more skeletons buried on Channel Islands (off the coast of Ventura County, California). He described them as being ten to sixteen feet tall given their skeleton size with the female skeletons being the shortest of them. Stanford University procured these skeletal remains then buried them in plaster... never to see the public eye. You truly need to educate yourself. "Kennewick Man" perhaps? My European blood line has been in North America since the early 1500's. We have hand drawn art proving some of our "native americans" were blatantly European/Caucasian.
Thank you Roger, excellent work, I enjoyed hearing this, I believe people have been coming to North America from all over the world for thousands of years
I believe many cultures made it here, earlier than we can prove. Some were driven here by rough seas, and some went sailing into the unknown, on purpose.
I so enjoy Rogers films, and this is peobably my favorite yet. I always share the links with my southern Indiana relatives. I grew up hearing the stories and legends of the area riding around with my papaw every summer and i am still eternally fascinated with the history and lore of the area. Thank you to Roger.
The Smithsonian loses so many priceless, unexplained, irreplaceable historical items. So many that it cannot be a coincidence. I believe this to be a deliberate attempt by the mainstream scientific community to prevent any new ideas from entering science which might overturn what we already “know” because this is what their professors taught them, and their professors before them, and theirs before them all the way back to the 1700’s.
About 10 years ago on a cruise ship I met a US historical researcher who had an office at the Smithsonian, and she told me that the Smithsonian has two catalogues. One for public use, and a secret one for the very few.
My pleasure! I made a lengthy film about Indiana’s Native American culture, a while back. If you haven’t seen it, it rolls through many of the states villages. Footsteps of the Ancestors ua-cam.com/video/__CFihhfxIs/v-deo.html
My great uncle was born in southern indiana when that big flood hit in 37. He was born at home and their house was cut off from help due to flood. My grandpa told me stories about it as he was older and remembered it. My grandpa also told me stories about giant skeletons being found in southern Indiana, 7-9’ tall. He seen them, but mysteriously that too are gone and it was officially reported that they were Native American of average height
In my movie about Indiana’s mounds and giant stories, I found many newspaper articles and county museum descriptions of giant skeletons. Incredibly fascinating stuff that makes you wonder.
Giants were at cahokia in illinois as well. My wife remembers seeing them on display back in the late 80s when she went with a class back in highschool. All that has been covered up now and only depictions are shown now. But nothing mentioned.
I have a book written in the 1880s which mentions the discovery of several giant skeletons near Chillicothe Ohio a few years previous. The skeletons were between 6 and a half and 7 and a half feet tall and had larger teeth than any known humans and much thicker bones. The skulls were a quarter inch thick.
As a Welsh man i know the story of Madog. We have an annual event called the National Eisteddfod. A few years ago an American Indian chief with a Madog connection. He had some knowledge of the Welsh language.
Anyone who still believes what's written as history isn't looking very hard and Anyone who supports the Smithsonian and their agenda should be stopped..
Extremely interesting. I grew up in New Albany and heard vague tales about Vikings that lived on an island in the Ohio River. Gladly you brought some clarity.
It could be Vikings instead of Welsh people. One guy down here has a Viking rune stone, found along the river. There’s proof of Vikings all over the Great Lakes, would not be surprised.
I feel that the Vikings were the first outsiders to come to this land now called America. Another mystery is when the knight Templar came to America and befriended the Indians traded with and gave respect to the Indians, and the Indians also gave respect to the Knights Templar not out of fear yet due to the respect shown to the Indians.
I was born in Louisville and grew up in Jeffersonville my whole life. Clarksville and New Albany and Jeffersonville make up one area and I didn't know about this. Thank you!
My pleasure, this was a fun project! You might be interested in one I did about Clarksville. Lots of legends! History and Dark Legends of Clarksville, Indiana ua-cam.com/video/GsRvZfzwllE/v-deo.html
I'm a Welshman and enjoyed the video. Prince Madoc is a Welsh legend, has is King Arthur and Merlin. The English deny that any of these ever existed but we're sure they did. I emailed the elder of the Mandan tribe a few years ago and sent him a book about Price Madoc and he never replied. His name was Mervyn (Merlin)
I was just talking to someone the other day, how most tribes, with some exceptions, are losing their link to the past. Young people aren’t learning the old ways, oral stories, and even losing their native tongue. Even if there was conclusive proof 100 years ago, of these pre Colombian contacts, sadly, it’s been largely forgotten.
after watching the video I tried to find a bit more about Prince Madoc. In the 12th century the English King Edward had all the Welsh bards killed and all documents relating to Welsh history destroyed , but he couldn't destroy the oral tradition @@AdventureswithRoger
We have the opposite problem in the UK. Its the sheer amount of information. Ive looked at records that have been damp and I'm sure no one else has seen them since they were deposited.The oldest records are mostly Latin , but they can be a mixture of Latin, Old Welsh and French. I will try to find more on Price Madoc.@@AdventureswithRoger
Several videos I've watched in the last few years led me to believe that the Smithsonian is a shady organization. Thanks for another interesting video. 0:00
A part of me thinks, “Big inventory, outdated record keeping.” But we’re talking entire collections, known to exist 100 years ago, simply nowhere in the catalog!
Amazing. Thank You very much for this excellent truthful content. Reminds me of all the old Welsh ruins found along riverbanks in Georgia and an entire tribe who's language was, in fact, WELSH. Awesome. Liked and subbed, many many thanks!!!!
My pleasure! This was one of the first legends I’d heard about, after moving to Southern Indiana. Truly fascinating and worthy of preserving for future generations!
I don't remember if it was the Mandans in Georgia, but really....how many separate accounts do we need to research before determining that parts of the Legend of Prince Madoc must be true? May those vile unmentionables behind the coverups at the Smithsonian and elsewhere burn in hell for the pre-Columbian histories they've hidden. Absolutely detestable. Thanks again for this invaluable research and presentation.
Love that you said this. Before my Mother Passed. She was looking up our family tree. She Said Before Mayflour was in plymouth. We were in Jacksonville and Saint Augistine. . .
There is much evidence that vikings or norsemen were here long before columbus also but as to why the history books are not corrected is baffling to me?
@@Ghoosier Look up a woman named Gloria Farley (who is now deceased), and the "Heavener Runestone"... Then, if you are more curious look up "Queen Wilhelmina Park", "Robbers Cave", and "Spiro Mounds" (that are not just in Spiro... There are some roads to lead you to that fact of history hidden in plain site... Side note, Oklahoma has the most man made lakes... All of these lakes just happen to cover old communities... Hope this helps with your memory about the Vikings...
Excellent presentation! A subject that has fascinated me for many years. Also,scored with my absolute favorite piano music. Could this day get any better? Thanks Roger, keep up the good work!
Thank-you, Dale! A really challenging but worthwhile project, to capture local history. I wanted to get it right, as people have grown up with this story. Hopefully people will carry it to the next generation! 🙂
These vids are always interesting and even riveting. These are commercial quality and I would think someone like one of the Cincinnati TV stations ought to broadcast them sometime or another.
Dioch yn fawr ....blessings from wales ..watched your documentary...I knew of this legend and watched yours ...by far the best I've seen extremely educational....thankyou for Sharing
Roger, you create some truly fascinating and very well edited content & I had no idea that there were so many interesting legends from my home state! I also lived in Bloomington for three years that were some of the best of my life. In Nashville now but miss Bloomington (not so much indy though…). Great job sir!
Thank-you, Brad! Before I moved from Central Indiana, I only knew one legend: the one about a lost silver mine. But traveling southern Indiana, and talking to local people, I heard plenty more, especially along the river. I’m developing a script for perhaps the most intriguing one I ever heard.
@@AdventureswithRoger 😊Wow- now this I can’t wait to see! *God willing you tell NO ONE the topic prior to its release & keep everything downloaded on a hard drive. (If that’s the correct word/ process? Sorry not computer savvy. Lol) At any rate, we’ve all known for years (& it’s no secret), we can’t say a thing around these phones🙄 if you want anything to remain private. Roger, you are a national treasure & cleary have Gods favor over you! I am thanking Him in advance for His protection & His will over you & yours, in Christs name. ~So let it written.
Re: information about their burials and utensils: I highly recommend watching Time Team, a UK series that goes to various areas. You will learn much about the Iron, Bronze, Roman, and Anglo-Saxon Ages including their burial practices and use of pots, jugs, and glass as well as how Christianity slowly crept in. As a fellow Hoosier, I 💖 Roger's well researched videos. Many, many thanks!!!
I love and so enjoy learning about things of our beautiful country I have Never heard of before. My step Dad was from Indiana but I never heard about the Madoc Legend from him. This has been a well done video which I have really enjoyed! Thank you. Well done indeed.🙏💙 We know We Don't Know ......Everything!
Hi Roger! This is the first time I have ever seen anything from your channel (despite it totally fitting the description of what I like to watch!). Just wanted to say, “I Love It!” Great stuff here. You got a new subscriber! 🎉. Seems like I remember being told I have a significant amount of Welsh ancestry…. Which makes this all the more fascinating to me! Thanks again, Roger!…
Because his ‘discovery’ led to commercial exploitation and colonization. Are you aware that Columbus was jewish, ans was asked by the leaders of the Spanish Jewish community to fond them s new home? ( they were cast out of Spain in 1492) and that he used exploration maps os the Chinese expedition of 1412?
Fascinating history when I run across content like this I’m glued and at full attention. Great job my dude keep up the great work we all enjoy and god speed
How very interesting! I've never heard of this before. What doesn't surprise me is evidence getting gone that doesn't fit a narrative! It's all around us. Great job!
Thomas Jefferson specifically asked Lewis and Clark to pay attention for any evidence that the Welsh had previously been in the area prior to the American acquisition of the Louisiana purchase. The importance being that this would have given the British a potential claim to the new territory based upon a prior "exploration ".(Nevermind that the Natives had without question owned the land from the beginning of time!) On another note Jefferson also wanted them to look for evidence of Mammoths,Mastodons and other megafauna that he believed were possiby still alive. In the context of the times the Lewis and Clark expidention was akin to the "moon landing" of the 20th century. We should all ways try to keep an open mind and not be to quick to dismiss ideas or things that don't fit our accepted beliefs,myths or current hypotheses.
Big Bone Lick , as the area is called now is known as the birthplace of American Paleontology because of the specimens discovered there. Several previously unknown species of animals including several Mastodon bones were some of the specimens found there. These discoveries sparked unprecedented philosophical debates about extinction vs Christian doctrines and beliefs.
Great presentation and a captivating story . Cherokee blood runs in my veins and I do appreciate your effort. The Smithsonian again interferes with history and there are many many other stories about them receiving artifacts that are never seen again . They still have all of it but where ? Thanks again . :O)
Like in New Zealand, ancient stone blocks speak of pre Maori occupation but after examining these sites the powers that be locked up the findings for 60 or so yrs ,not sure of exactly how long ,A Maori guy on site was heard to comment, these people got here at least 500 years before us ,Why the secret ,hiding things other sites as well ??
This is very interesting! I'd never heard anything about Welsh people coming here so long ago. It reminds me of the stone found under a tree in Minnesota with writing on it, and people hounding the poor family over it saying it was forged. It wasn't, but once a so-called expert said it was not truly old, people kept at the family till the last of them died by her own hand rather than continue. Her father and brother found it entangled in the roots of a tree. People don't seem to realize there were a lot of explorers coming and going. Why would the government not want people to know when important things like this are found?
I believe many explorers reached North America, earlier than we know. Lots of reasons to hide outlier artifacts, the primary one: to protect a reputation and government funding.
I first learned about Prince Madoc from reading a historical novel, about Owain Gwynedd AP Gruffydd, 1137-70, a Welsh King, who had at least 6 illegitimate children, of which Madoc was one. The novel prompted me to do research of my own, as I had never heard of this “legend” before. It is certainly plausible that it is true, and the fact that his father had many, many issues with which to deal back home, AND Madoc was never going to be an heir, due to his illegitimacy, it makes sense as to why the “folks back home” were not necessarily concerned as why he and is entourage never returned. Who knows for certain?? Interesting tale to tell, but I’m not so certain as to whether or not Madoc actually existed, let alone made it all the way to “America”; if he did, is it really plausible the Aztecs & the Incas knew of him??
If Madoc existed, and was the first European the Aztecs and Incas had ever met, they would’ve at least thought of him as a curiosity, if not given him god-like status. I think of the Lewis and Clark expedition, in which York, an enslaved black man, was the first person native Americans had ever seen with skin that dark. They treated him like a god, and thus greatly helped the expedition. The Madoc story has a lot of rabbit holes. Some researchers place him in the Americas as much as 500 years earlier than 1170. While others, say he made two trips: one where he discovered North America, the second where he brought more settlers and supplies. Some researchers intermingle the Madoc story with the legend of Merlin, and it keeps on spinning until it’s utterly unbelievable. I chose to stick with 1170, and tell the basic story without much added.
This is a fascinating legend that as an American of Welsh descent I have heard of in the past. There are also stories of the Irish monk Columbo who sailed even earlier to the (now) Canadian coast and back in Curachs or coricals and of course the Viking explorations of what is now Nova Scotia. I have found in legend there is often a coronal of truth.
I have a story about a leather stretched and framed with crude and interesting figures with an ancient parchment hidden inside that my mother bought me at an old antique barn in Port Washigton, Ohio. The letter eluded to a tribe far west of there that raised cattle and may have been from the only Survivor of the Gnadenhutten Massacre. A pale Indian of white descent was taking 3 cows to the people there who were starving Lenape. I did not realize about all this until much later in my life. The letter stated that the emissary was from a group called Maddo. I thought it was an Indian tribe. It hung on my wall as a young boy for years. It was very old.
Professor Pennington speaks of how when doing archaeological digs if anything is found pre Columbus it's to be returned and covered over and not catalogued. His videos are very interesting as he specialises in Welsh/American history. There's even evidence of Welsh visitors 500 years prior to Madoc and his brother Rhirid. This ties in more with the Roman coins that have been found.
Fascinating! What strikes me about the inscriptions on the Brandenburg Stone is how much they resemble Old Norse Runes! Looking at the timeline, it is understood now that circa 1000 AD, the Norse (Vikings, in other words) established a settlement at L'anse aux Meadows, at the northernmost tip of Newfoundland. There were at least three known expeditions by the Norse to that area of what is now Canada. The first was led by Leif Erikson, and the second by his brother Thorvald Erikson (who, according to the Saga, was killed in a battle with the indigenous people, by an arrow that struck him in the armpit and entered his chest. The third expedition was promoted by their half-sister Fredis Eriksdottir. All three expeditions simply failed due to being too small in population to prevail in conflicts with the indigenous peoples, but which were documented in at least two Sagas which exist today. Now, if we consider that at the same approximate historical time period the Vikings were raiding and establishing encampments in present day Britain. Could it be possible that copies of the Greenland and Iceland Sagas could have found their way to ancient Wales, where they could have come to the attention of Prince Madoc, and which may have inspired his expedition to the New World?
When I take all the evidence together, I would be inclined to cite Viking settlers before Welsh, in southern Indiana. White Indians with gold hair, Roman coins from plunder, even a rune stone found near the Ohio River. But many European groups could’ve made the trip. Just because we can’t find documentation, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. 🙂
Found this episode very interesting. 4 years ago I found out I was adopted, and after DNA testing discovered I am 23% Welsh, and have relatives buried in Southern Indiana. This fuels my interest in knowing where my ancestors come from. Thank you for this episode, and for fueling my fire!
My pleasure, Sandra! That museum in Brandenburg is just across the river from Mauckport, Indiana. And as a bonus, Brandenburg has a beautiful view of the river! 🙂
Omg! This was exceptionally fascinating. My family origins are from Wales,Scotland. It would be unlikely, but it is interesting to see if there is any familiar connection to this story. I wouldn't even know where to start looking.
You can do an online search of your surname, see if it had any other spellings across the ages. If you do a DNA test with ancestry.com, you’ll find that many people have already built some if not all of your family tree. I was blessed to walk into a library, in my parents hometown, and found my family genealogy going back to England.
Hi Roger. I wonder how much more there can possibly be too learn about Indiana. You always bring such interesting subjects. It also amazes me that so many artifacts have been turned over to the Smithsonian and there is no record of the items. I will never trust them. There's a program on the History channel called "America Unearthed" that i follow and there is so much more to our history that we haven't been told. Keep up the amazing work.❤❤❤❤❤
It's very believable. I'm from Indiana and now live out in Oregon. I've always been a fan of history. I never knew about this until this video. I wished that I would've. I would of made a Trip from Richmond Indiana down south, just to check things out. I'm going to maybe do some more research on this and see what I come up with. The Smithsonian has a convenient way of losing articles that go against the modern narrative. They've done it from the beggining of the creation of the institutitution. I just wonder how many articles that they posses that they're keeping from the public. Probably million's, from my understanding of the ancient artifacts that were sent there by ordinary people. Just trying to find answers to their questions about what they're found laying about out in the fields that they were excavating or plowing especially back around Indiana and the Ohio valley. I imagine as time goes on, that many more discoveries wiil be found there eventually.
There seems to be as much a a history of scientific conservatism, rejecting outlier info that disproves long-held theories, as a huge inventory and poor record keeping. Indiana itself has an artifact collection in the millions, and has lost, purposely or by accident, more than a person can grasp. In my video about the Borden Museum, I detailed how many times the state collection has moved: at least 5 times in its history. I would’ve loved to have seen the early collection, when it resided in the statehouse basement. When I was a kid, it was at Ohio Street in a very grand building, that they outgrew. The new museum along White River is pretty sizable, but I’ve never seen their artifact storage.
@@AdventureswithRoger-5 moves? 5 opportunities for items to go “missing”, with the usual suspects behind it (open secret to those using critical thinking). “Poor record keeping”…your generosity knows no boundaries, because the first duty of any curator (beyond preservation) is meticulous record keeping. One cannot facilitate research requests if the location of items in the collection are poorly documented. 🧐
@@thominaduncanson7596 I have some definite opinions about the artifacts whereabouts, seeing how they’ve handled modern ones. But, I provide all the theories, let people draw their own conclusions. 🙂
Ive been listening to your videos as I work the last couple of days. You have me very excited to start exploring my property just south of Brandenburg KY
I'm all in for Madoc! Judging from other comments here, Rose Island was not the end of the Welsh in North America, but only one of their settlements that met an unfortunate end. If I could say it in Welsh, I'd say 'Long Live the Welsh!' Thanks for this great synopsis, sir. There are also other archaeological discoveries that point to ancient tin mines on Michigan's north peninsula being frequented by ancient Egyptians, then Romans after them, then Vikings. Also, possible evidence found of Egyptian port in Louisiana, as well as Roman coins up and down the Mississippi. Perhaps Madoc had knowledge of this and maps at his disposal. Also read of a Portugues ship that made it across the Atlantic to the northern coast of New England in the same century that Madoc set out. They never landed, but encountered an enormous ship coming out of the mist whose description reminded me of the Chinese junks that circumnavigated the globe in the early 15th century. The Portuguese saw a chieftain calmly standing at the rail and looking down at them with his arms crossed. No contact was made, and the Portuguese apparently turned around and went back home.
I grew up in BIsmarck, right across the river from Mandan, where the Mandan Indians used to live. Its amazing how little they teach us, even when living there, in school!
There are many conflicting researchers, many conflicting dates, and many conflicting rabbit holes in the Madoc legend. I went with 1170 AD as that’s the date that has stood the test of time. I’m aware of “the two Madoc’s” legend as well. There is no artifact, or collection of artifacts, that provide an exact date that everyone likes. Most of the claims are based on a series of leaps, all of which cannot be verified. What’s a film maker to do? I stuck with the basic story, that’s been told for over 200 years of Indiana history, and kept the date that resonates with most people.
The truth is the 6th century madoc not the 11th or 12th century. Look into the book the king arthur conspiracy by the the forensic historians wilson and Blackett
I read much of this in a book back in the 70s from a book written probably in the 1940s called the Ancient Life Of Kentucky including the findings of a white skinned red haired woman left inside the Mammoth Cave. Also included Indian tribes in the 1700s that told of a battle where the whites were all killed off at the battle of the Ohio Falls and remaining language of these white skins in use by the Indian tribes of the area. This has brought this subject matter back for I never seemed to ever meet anyone who knew anything of this history. Great work. I do wish the music added could be toned down a few levels. I found this book in the library of the very small remote town of Burkesville Ky.
Great show my friend,we almost need to unlearn everything our recent history and most importantly our more ancient history, that is some great 4 bidden knowledge
People are too quick to dismiss outlier information that doesn’t fit an easy, logical model of history. True history is complicated, with various groups occupying the same areas, and leaving things behind. In Indiana and Ohio, it was finally determined that Delaware (Lenape) people liked to bury their dead, on top of older mounds, created centuries earlier. The artifacts on the top were totally different from the ones further down, not even close.
I did not know that bit either,I think you would enjoy Billy Carson,4biddenknowledge,he gets into the 100s of 1000s of years old history neat stuff who knows if any of all of it is true but it's fun to explore
Which begs the question: where did all the mysterious artifacts and stuff go? Is there a giant cavern underground? A DUMB (secret base)? A portal to another world?
My daughter recently talked to a Cree man married to a Welsh woman. They claimed that although some words and pronunciations were different , they could understand each other when speaking their native languages.
The book, "Encounters At The Heart Of The World" by Elizabeth A. Fenn might be interest to some for more info on the Mandans. Interesting to see how their villages, housing, etc changed at certain time frames.
I saw the Brandenburg Stone when it was at the Charlestown Indiana Library. I asked the librarian her thoughts, about why this isn't in the American history books. She said, "I think Christopher Columbus had better PR people than Prince Madoc". It seems as though he does. Bye the way, I read the book written by Dana Olsen. It was hard to lay down, once I got started. I think I may have to check it out of the library again.
When I was working at Louisville, a co-worker suggested Dana Olsen’s book. I was able to buy one at the Falls of the Ohio museum, even signed by the author for like $10! Now they are like $40 on eBay. Lots of good research!
A great tragedy. Taking history away from our eyes and not letting people know our past and learn from it is one of the biggest crimes against humanity. Shame on anyone who does this.
FYI. It continues.
But right now they are focused on turning humanity on itself.
I am an example and a witness to the fact that millions are owned by the satanic web in our country. Often called organized crime.
They are baring false witness against thousands of people across our nation and in every community.
The criminals own the victims, the laboratories, much of the legal system.
Stop supporting their isolation of individuals. It's all deception. Watch for it in your community. Lies against isolated individuals,,,
Criminals run is packs and have community support.
Beware. Don't let them use you to isolate or harm others.
Not the 1st time the Smithsonian has so called lost ,hidden artifacts
It pisses me off to no end as well. What are they hiding? Why? Its all about control if you ask me. Devious in its design.
Shame on the Smithsonian
The US is good at hiding our history. I am sure many countries do it too, but history has a way of resurfacing and revealing its ugly truth. Our technology is revealing more and more. The truth will always surface even if we have to figure it out.
I found this very interesting and rather ironic that I watched this on Columbus Day. I'm a firm believer that they only teach you what they want you to know. This was extremely enlightening. Thank you for telling us about this.
Thank-you, Bill! I’d wanted to do this one for at least 6 years, finally just plunged ahead.
You did a excellent job with this documentary. Your evidence was backed up with a lot of facts. History they don't want us to know about. Very informative. It kept me watching. I am very impressed by the content. Thanks again.
@@BillyJ244 No worries, glad to do it! 🙂
Or, what they know tbf
Some part of history is being re written every day. I am 70 years old, and from watching videos like this, and in astronomy, scientific, in nature, archeological, and medical etc, I could write a volume on what has been reconsidered or proven wrong. There is no question that this will continue through time. Thank you for this example.🙂
It is amazing how much the smithsonian destroyed to fit their definition of history. We now know many ancient people were here. Thank you for this deep dive.
Would it have been better if they displayed the artifacts as evidence of the intense “racism” of our region? Any legends that they don’t approve of are racist, don’t you know?
At this point, most people believe this legend isn’t true, but there’s always that ‘what if’ factor that makes me wish the Smithsonian at least kept the “probably not true” items in a separate section.
It’s frustrating hearing institutions claim “historically people hate anything they don’t understand.” And then do the exact same thing! Demonize entire groups of curious, adventure seeking people just because the city dwelling “academics” don’t understand why we value our own folklore even if it’s not true. It’s piece of history (like it or not) and a contributing to our desire to preserve the land. You’d think they’d appreciate it in that respect. But no, we’re all just dumb, racist, country bumpkins to them.
Like the skeletons of giants . They were taken to The Smithsonian and somehow "misplaced" ? 🤷🏼
Funded by government scientist are the last ones to ever preserve history
@@Sanecrist If you keep people dumbed down and make them feel inferior, you can control them. Keeping people in fear is also a huge part of the controlling too. Look at what goes on now with the powers that should't be.......start digging for truths of anything and everything and you will find we have and are being lied to.
@@BartG87- Oh for sure, much evidence of that. Seems to me that somewhere in the early 1900's they started hiding all of that. There are many newspaper accounts of finding giant bones all over.............then it just stopped. Getting rid of evidence and denying they ever had it. It is a shame what we let them do to us in every way imaginable.
What a magnificent work this is. The images, the dialogue, the music blend into a fascinating well researched film on an obscure curious historic legend. I'm impressed with the wide-ranging texts and objects you've found. Clearly a lot of good work went into making this documentary. Great time watching this. Thanks for the work you've done here. It couldn't have been made better.
Thank-you again, John! This one took a lot of research / editing to pull together, but I knew no one else was going to get it done. A researcher at Jeffersonville once had a film crew set up, to make a movie, it was going to be a big deal. I didn’t want to steal on his thunder. But after 6 years, I decided it wasn’t going to happen, and made my own. Hopefully people get something out of it, and start their own adventures! 🙂
@@AdventureswithRoger Thank you for sharing your work, much appreciated !
I grew up in Louisville and have been fascinated with the Madoc story for decades. Thank you for this in depth exploration of the history and lore.
My pleasure! It was one of the first legends I heard, after I moved here from central Indiana. I really enjoyed putting this one together! 🙂
I’m from wales and my dad always knew of a story of madoc he was the first to discover American and went from the afon ganol which is a small river that goes through my farm but back then it was much bigger I always thought he was just chatting shit
A private named Shannon who was on the Lewis and Clark expedition had welsh grandparents, he swore that the Mandan indians were speaking a strange dialect of Welsh and that he could nearly understand some of what they were saying
I’d heard of several other Welsh immigrants easily speaking with the Mandan’s, but I couldn’t find names. Mysterious stuff!
Check out George Caitlyn paintings of the Mandans.
@@phyllistoy5756 Few in the video.
That is huge important anecdotal info!
and there were vikings in Minnesota and hebrews utah too right..
As an old(ish) Welsh man, I've been aware of the legend of Prince Madoc, for most of my life. I really appreciated your film, it was extremely interesting. Just wanted to point out that Madoc, is pronounced the same as mad, Madoc, not May, doc. Thank you again.
It’s been pronounced “May-dog” in Indiana, for over 200 years. I would’ve gotten more corrections if I’d used the Welsh pronunciation! 🙂
There is a family near my home in Indiana, about 50 miles up river from Clarksville whose surname is ApMadoc.
@@AdventureswithRogerthere's a town about 3 miles from me called Plas Madoc. Which is palace of Madoc. Pronounced mad -oc.
@@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 They could very well be the descendants of Prince Madoc.
@Bobario1 the prefix Ap means
' son of ' in the Welsh language if the information I have gotten is correct. Like 'Mc' in Irish surnames. I don't know if this is true but I have heard it from Mr ApMadoc and also a Mr . ApLanalp , another man of Welsh ancestry who lives in near my home in southeast Indiana. I've always been fascinated with the story of Madoc and with Welsh history.
Rose Island was part of my childhood. My ancestors have lived both sides of the river for centuries. As a kid we'd take our boat up the river and explore the ruins of the abandoned Rose Island amusement park. When my widowed mother remarried she moved the family to Florida when I was 15 so my learning of my local history stopped until today. Goshen, Kentucky is where my mother was born just over the holler from Rose Island Road. Now I understand how it got it's name. It was the road that all the old time people would take to cross the river on a ferry to have a big time at Rose Island when my grandmother was a young woman. I wanna go back home and find me a Roman coin!
That area across from the Island, in Kentucky, is now a boat club. They have a restaurant there too, live music in the summer.
14 Mile Creek I’d love to explore with a boat. Worked with a guy who was going to retire and explore the Ohio River, should look him up.
I live right off Rose Island Road in Kentucky. Very interesting history.
That was wonderfully done, thank you.
There are also legends of ancient Welsh being in the wilds of northern Alabama who left ruins. I believe it's the same Prince. Easy to look up.
Alabama has some extremely interesting anecdotal evidence, that ties to the Madoc legend.
Do you have any links, please?
There are remains of an ancient fort built in the Welsh style in a place called Bon Secour, Alabama on Mobile Bay that predates anything else European in America. It has been said for as long as I can remember that it was built by the Prince Maddoc.
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Indiana author James Alexander Thom, wrote a book about this. It's titled Children of First Man. It's a great read.
Lots of interesting reads about the legend, some better than others of course. Too many dive into rabbit holes they shouldn’t, connecting other legends with zero evidence, splicing from other authors that also had no proof. I like to at least have something physical to pin my suppositions: pottery, petroglyphs, bones, graves, confirmed historical documentation. Not everything is a clue or a connection! 🙂
@@AdventureswithRoger bell beakers bro the fathers of welsh but much older. The first peoples where they the others came later indo eu dna as some have today
@@johnmcook1The Indo europeans built these. They will NEVER admit that because it would destroy their political angle that white europeans are invaders, and that this land belongs to native americans. Europeans were here first, there are even óral stories that talk about fáir skinned blue eyed and tattooed people with red hair. Look up the Duhare tribe, and the pictish writing found in oklahoma on youtube. My family is red haired, we are pictish/scots, and norse. I am 100 % sure my ancestors were here first, we are the only people who make burial mounds and bury our dead with red ochre in some areas. Look up the Yamnaya tribe, corded ware people. They all used burial mounds. So did my ancestors, Celts, picts, scots, anglo saxons, norse.
My dad was half Cherokee and told me when I was young that there were blue eyed native Americans. He had grown up in Missouri and moved to Indiana probably in the late 40s. He never lived in Southern Indiana so I don't know where he heard the story from. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work
Lots of legends and theories about where the blue eyes came from: Welsh explorers, Vikings, recessive genes, you name it! 🙂
Blue Green eye caucasian european celts picts hence from ARRATTA ultimately the oldest found arayan solar worshippers, henc3 the " so-called white indians "... hmmmm. Thanks im from that ancient line. !
smooch up and find my comment osiem 😊
Read about where they came from in the Book of Mormon the Native American author who abridged the history of all natives in America almost two thousand years ago
@@brindahoward4527 Google Solutreans....pretty interesting
I grew up in Meade Co and spent many a day at the library (the old one) and never head of this legend until a couple days ago with this video. It brings a smile to my face to see my old stomping grounds featured in your videos, Roger. Thank you.
My true pleasure! As much as I enjoy telling these stories, it brings me even more joy, to hear I’ve brought back good memories. Some have moved away, and they miss their home towns. Others can no longer get out, and it’s the closest they’ll get to going back. It’s an honor and a privilege. 🙂
Fascinating, if Madoc traveled at all he came from Rhos-on Sea, a story I've long followed. The story is that he had heard Viking stories of a land far to the far beyond the Western horizon and we think of Leif Erikson. Who was a Viking and visited Canada we understand from the Viking Sagas although not remaining long, he non the less visited in the 11th century. Keep up the good work.
Rule of thumb: if you find ancient European relics in America , don’t give them to the Smithsonian.
Absolutely! The question is WHY.
If you find ANYTHING important NEVER let the Smithsonian know about it.
Roger this video is amazing bravo 👏. I guess we can all agree some ages ago the Smithsonian’s path took a turn to no longer preserve History but hide it . I believe all History books should be re- written. Good job Roger. Sharing 🤗💕
It started with one of guy in charge of the Smithsonian, that was in competition with the Wright brothers. He even built a test facility behind the Smithsonian to test his plane. He was known to throw out claims and ideas he didn’t like, his philosophy later being called “conservative” or “protecting the public interest”. In truth, he wanted to control a narrative.
And they are still out there being "conservative" and "protecting the public interest" when they don't agree with results.@@AdventureswithRoger
@@tonyrainbolt9388 💯%
The keepers (and destroyers) of ancient artifacts have pushed their narrative so hard, so long. At this point even if they did have a change of heart and let out some of the truth they would have to admit being liars and plunderers so that's out of the question. It's a real shame that so much worldwide will never be known due to selfish jokers throughout history, like Langley. Those that thought their contrived perceptions were what the rest of humanity needed to know as truth. Thanks to Roger, and others, it's a blessing we can at least get an honest peek into reality through the things that did slip through the cracks.
I absolutely don't want to give anyone the right to change history cart blanche. Only if we find solid evidence to do so. I agree with you on the last thing.
There are remains of an ancient fort built in the Welsh style in a place called Bon Secour, Alabama on Mobile Bay that predates anything else European in America. It has been said for as long as I can remember that it was built by the Prince Maddoc.
I’ve heard of it, but have never been there. Tennessee is also supposed to have ruins.
yeppers 😊
There’s a hospital here in Ireland called Bon Secours
@@AdventureswithRoger it would be worth you looking up a professor called LEE PENHALE, his knowledge on this subject, including this roman coins and the stone is amazing, he too was hitting brick wslles by the smithsonian and other societies, he speaks of this in his books and videos.
Georgia too... and madoc legends among the indians. @@AdventureswithRoger
It seems all legends when tested can be found to have some nugget(s) of truth. Great work once again in stimulating the imaginations of your viewers by doing the research and producing such excellent quality videos. This Madoc tradition and the Jonathan Swift Silver Mine Legend of KY seem to never die simply because no definitive evidence for or against can be gathered in enough quantity to convince a majority of people. I believe both legends have merit and shed a mysterious light upon our region of the county. John Filson's and Col. Harrod's disappearance add to these legends. Thank you for another great production!
I really enjoyed my time over at Slade, Kentucky. The Swift legend was all around you, including his statue at the Wolfe County courthouse. Hope to get over there, again!
You did great work here! Engaging, interesting and informative. No agenda, a breath of fresh air!
Thank-you!
This is really great material! It's just like the History Channel if the History Channel were to show any history. I'm glad you do these. I learn so much.
These are fun and interesting to cover, I always learn something new.
No, this is way much better! Thanks again Roger for your research beyond what we've ever known. 👏👏👏❤️
Well said mate
You’d think the history channel would pick up on everybody’s collective thoughts about their programming and bring it back to the old History channel , I do enjoy American pickers it should just be on a different channel
30 years ago I was told that there was a Welsh fort wall near Dupont Ind. Thus, the rock wall inside the Jefferson Proving Grounds. Wow Roger, thank you for confirming this. Also 30 years ago I had a friend who was visiting northern Indiana and said he heard on the news that there was a Viking boat which washed out of a sandbar down river from Chelsea Ind. Could a Coracle have been discovered in the Ohio River? This history is so fascinating. Thank you Roger.
Had not heard of any submerged old boats but the Alice Dean: it’s still in the Ohio River, confirmed by a US Navy survey. I did hear about a “petrified stone man”, found near Tell City, but that was found to be a prank.
Edward Travers Cox identified a ton of ancient mounds and stone fortifications across Indiana and Ohio, published his findings in 1879. But pioneer farmers had zero value for these structures, they only cut down on how much they could harvest.
Well welcome! Better late than never! 🙂
@AdventureswithRoger there was a massive mound in Columbus Ohio which was covered in dolomite and sandstone. It was something like 200ft wide and almost 8 feet tall. It took 6 horse drawn carriages a year and a half to remove the stone to use in building a bridge. Sadly, the remnants of the mound are all but gone and are on private property. The origional mound had to have taken an extremely long time to build
Hello! I really enjoyed your extremely informative video. I have heard about Prince Maddoc before. Here in Nebraska, we have a collection of paintings of the Mandan tribe. They settled in my area of Nebraska and then traveled up the Missouri River. They were very friendly with the European explorers, but the whole tribe became ill from one of the diseases that came with the explorers.
There is a park in Omaha named in their honor. It is along a bluff overlooking the Missouri River, and I can't help but think that might have been one of their settlement sites. If I remember correctly, many of the River names in New England, especially Maine, have names very similar to Welsh names.
You just told me many things I didn’t know! Thank-you! From what I read, smallpox wiped out all but 125 Mandans. It was a devastating disease, brought to them from white people.
America itself was a Cymro colony really! The three major people involved in it were all associated with Wales - Elizabeth the first, Richard Ap Meryck (A(p)MERYCK-A) and John Dee! It’s only seen as English because that was the country in which the Welsh were in control of at the time. And the control the English have asserted in the modern era and education system.
Thank you, Roger, for putting ALL the Indiana info that you have found on the internet. If something horrible happens to all the physical items and places that you have recorded, at least it's recorded here for the future, hopefully.
In many cases, oral stories from grandparents is all that’s left. I make these to preserve a rich history!
Roger, you are a true treasure!!
@@AdventureswithRoger i hope there are copies not subject to electronic deletion
What an absolutely amazing and well put together video! My father and I were completely absorbed into the show as we watched, totally enthralled. Great job Roger!
Thank-you!
Just want to say how much I appreciate your work. Thank you for all the hours you dedicate to telling the most interesting content This type of content is why I love history. It’s the untold truths. I admire your passion it telling it. Thank you.
Thank-you, Mary
Another top-notch film, Roger! Thank you for all the research and footwork you do to bring these stories to life.
Thank-you! I give it my all, as no one else may tell the story if I don’t. 🙂
This is among the best videos that I've ever seen on UA-cam. No doubt about it !!!
The Smithsonian also hides or has destroyed the skeletons of many 'giant' persons, ie, ruling class that were buried in mounds. Many were 6.5-8ft tall.
This is patently untrue
@@nightheron5892 You are mistaken. A California man excavated a dozen or more skeletons buried on Channel Islands (off the coast of Ventura County, California). He described them as being ten to sixteen feet tall given their skeleton size with the female skeletons being the shortest of them. Stanford University procured these skeletal remains then buried them in plaster... never to see the public eye.
You truly need to educate yourself. "Kennewick Man" perhaps?
My European blood line has been in North America since the early 1500's. We have hand drawn art proving some of our "native americans" were blatantly European/Caucasian.
Pyramid lake, Virginia City, Nevada. Piute Indians eliminated extremely tall red haired canabal group of people in a cave near pyramid lake, Nevada.
@@nightheron5892 Is it?
@@DerSchleier exactly. Ancestors of Dwapara Yug who were even much taller
Thank you Roger, excellent work, I enjoyed hearing this, I believe people have been coming to North America from all over the world for thousands of years
I believe many cultures made it here, earlier than we can prove. Some were driven here by rough seas, and some went sailing into the unknown, on purpose.
I so enjoy Rogers films, and this is peobably my favorite yet. I always share the links with my southern Indiana relatives. I grew up hearing the stories and legends of the area riding around with my papaw every summer and i am still eternally fascinated with the history and lore of the area. Thank you to Roger.
My pleasure!
@@AdventureswithRoger please just keep it coming.
The Smithsonian loses so many priceless, unexplained, irreplaceable historical items. So many that it cannot be a coincidence. I believe this to be a deliberate attempt by the mainstream scientific community to prevent any new ideas from entering science which might overturn what we already “know” because this is what their professors taught them, and their professors before them, and theirs before them all the way back to the 1700’s.
Russians used it
1,2,3, quinkydinks...4 is a plan ...
About 10 years ago on a cruise ship I met a US historical researcher who had an office at the Smithsonian, and she told me that the Smithsonian has two catalogues. One for public use, and a secret one for the very few.
I agree!
Surely the Irish and the Welsh could not have found America before the English. Bog trotters noway.
Huge thanks for educating me about Prince Madoc contributions to history. I research native sites for personal connections to my homeland.
My pleasure! I made a lengthy film about Indiana’s Native American culture, a while back. If you haven’t seen it, it rolls through many of the states villages.
Footsteps of the Ancestors
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FYI. there's a town in Northern Ontario Canada called Madoc but no explanation of why or who or how.
My great uncle was born in southern indiana when that big flood hit in 37. He was born at home and their house was cut off from help due to flood. My grandpa told me stories about it as he was older and remembered it. My grandpa also told me stories about giant skeletons being found in southern Indiana, 7-9’ tall. He seen them, but mysteriously that too are gone and it was officially reported that they were Native American of average height
In my movie about Indiana’s mounds and giant stories, I found many newspaper articles and county museum descriptions of giant skeletons. Incredibly fascinating stuff that makes you wonder.
Giants were at cahokia in illinois as well. My wife remembers seeing them on display back in the late 80s when she went with a class back in highschool. All that has been covered up now and only depictions are shown now. But nothing mentioned.
7-9 ft Giants are within the height measurements of the sons of Anak in the middle-age Bronze age later destroyed by Israelites in the Levant.
I have a book written in the 1880s which mentions the discovery of several giant skeletons near Chillicothe Ohio a few years previous. The skeletons were between 6 and a half and 7 and a half feet tall and had larger teeth than any known humans and much thicker bones. The skulls were a quarter inch thick.
As a Welsh man i know the story of Madog. We have an annual event called the National Eisteddfod. A few years ago an American Indian chief with a Madog connection. He had some knowledge of the Welsh language.
You are golden and you are my entertainment thank you and please do not stop.
Anyone who still believes what's written as history isn't looking very hard and Anyone who supports the Smithsonian and their agenda should be stopped..
This was so interesting Roger! Most of that we had not heard. Thanks for filling us in on this history
Extremely interesting. I grew up in New Albany and heard vague tales about Vikings that lived on an island in the Ohio River. Gladly you brought some clarity.
It could be Vikings instead of Welsh people. One guy down here has a Viking rune stone, found along the river. There’s proof of Vikings all over the Great Lakes, would not be surprised.
Viking runestones are in Oklahoma too.
@@rustyshackleford1235 They definitely got around!
@@AdventureswithRoger lol definitely
I feel that the Vikings were the first outsiders to come to this land now called America. Another mystery is when the knight Templar came to America and befriended the Indians traded with and gave respect to the Indians, and the Indians also gave respect to the Knights Templar not out of fear yet due to the respect shown to the Indians.
I was born in Louisville and grew up in Jeffersonville my whole life. Clarksville and New Albany and Jeffersonville make up one area and I didn't know about this. Thank you!
My pleasure, this was a fun project! You might be interested in one I did about Clarksville. Lots of legends!
History and Dark Legends of Clarksville, Indiana
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I'm a Welshman and enjoyed the video. Prince Madoc is a Welsh legend, has is King Arthur and Merlin. The English deny that any of these ever existed but we're sure they did. I emailed the elder of the Mandan tribe a few years ago and sent him a book about Price Madoc and he never replied. His name was Mervyn (Merlin)
I was just talking to someone the other day, how most tribes, with some exceptions, are losing their link to the past. Young people aren’t learning the old ways, oral stories, and even losing their native tongue. Even if there was conclusive proof 100 years ago, of these pre Colombian contacts, sadly, it’s been largely forgotten.
after watching the video I tried to find a bit more about Prince Madoc. In the 12th century the English King Edward had all the Welsh bards killed and all documents relating to Welsh history destroyed , but he couldn't destroy the oral tradition @@AdventureswithRoger
@allanhorton1 we’ve lost more records about history, than history itself. Right now, I’m chasing down old records from three museums that vanished.
We have the opposite problem in the UK. Its the sheer amount of information. Ive looked at records that have been damp and I'm sure no one else has seen them since they were deposited.The oldest records are mostly Latin , but they can be a mixture of Latin, Old Welsh and French. I will try to find more on Price Madoc.@@AdventureswithRoger
Several videos I've watched in the last few years led me to believe that the Smithsonian is a shady organization. Thanks for another interesting video. 0:00
A part of me thinks, “Big inventory, outdated record keeping.” But we’re talking entire collections, known to exist 100 years ago, simply nowhere in the catalog!
For sure!
Amazing. Thank You very much for this excellent truthful content. Reminds me of all the old Welsh ruins found along riverbanks in Georgia and an entire tribe who's language was, in fact, WELSH. Awesome. Liked and subbed, many many thanks!!!!
My pleasure! This was one of the first legends I’d heard about, after moving to Southern Indiana. Truly fascinating and worthy of preserving for future generations!
I don't remember if it was the Mandans in Georgia, but really....how many separate accounts do we need to research before determining that parts of the Legend of Prince Madoc must be true? May those vile unmentionables behind the coverups at the Smithsonian and elsewhere burn in hell for the pre-Columbian histories they've hidden. Absolutely detestable. Thanks again for this invaluable research and presentation.
Love that you said this. Before my Mother Passed. She was looking up our family tree. She Said Before Mayflour was in plymouth. We were in Jacksonville and Saint Augistine. . .
There is much evidence that vikings or norsemen were here long before columbus also but as to why the history books are not corrected is baffling to me?
Lots of Viking evidence, and it keeps popping up around the Great Lakes.
My understanding is they explored all the way to Oklahoma possibly. I can’t reference where I read this but I’m certain I read it somewhere years ago
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Look up a woman named Gloria Farley (who is now deceased), and the "Heavener Runestone"...
Then, if you are more curious look up "Queen Wilhelmina Park", "Robbers Cave", and "Spiro Mounds" (that are not just in Spiro...
There are some roads to lead you to that fact of history hidden in plain site...
Side note, Oklahoma has the most man made lakes... All of these lakes just happen to cover old communities...
Hope this helps with your memory about the Vikings...
They just found Chinese wall paintings in caves in Az. Hundreds of years before Columbus.🤦♀️
@@bikergrandma2316 It's very believable!
Excellent presentation! A subject that has fascinated me for many years. Also,scored with my absolute favorite piano music. Could this day get any better? Thanks Roger, keep up the good work!
My pleasure!
Had heard bits and pieces of this. Appreciate you putting it together! Great work!
Thank-you, Dale! A really challenging but worthwhile project, to capture local history. I wanted to get it right, as people have grown up with this story. Hopefully people will carry it to the next generation! 🙂
Thank you, Roger, for another inspirational and artfully crafted video 🎬
These vids are always interesting and even riveting. These are commercial quality and I would think someone like one of the Cincinnati TV stations ought to broadcast them sometime or another.
Dioch yn fawr ....blessings from wales ..watched your documentary...I knew of this legend and watched yours ...by far the best I've seen extremely educational....thankyou for Sharing
Outstanding! Thank you! Keep up the GREAT work!
Roger, you create some truly fascinating and very well edited content & I had no idea that there were so many interesting legends from my home state! I also lived in Bloomington for three years that were some of the best of my life. In Nashville now but miss Bloomington (not so much indy though…). Great job sir!
Thank-you, Brad! Before I moved from Central Indiana, I only knew one legend: the one about a lost silver mine. But traveling southern Indiana, and talking to local people, I heard plenty more, especially along the river. I’m developing a script for perhaps the most intriguing one I ever heard.
@@AdventureswithRoger 😊Wow- now this I can’t wait to see! *God willing you tell NO ONE the topic prior to its release & keep everything downloaded on a hard drive. (If that’s the correct word/ process? Sorry not computer savvy. Lol)
At any rate, we’ve all known for years (& it’s no secret), we can’t say a thing around these phones🙄 if you want anything to remain private.
Roger, you are a national treasure & cleary have Gods favor over you! I am thanking Him in advance for His protection & His will over you & yours, in Christs name. ~So let it written.
Amazing piece of work Roger…your channel just keeps getting better!
Thank you very much!
Re: information about their burials and utensils:
I highly recommend watching Time Team, a UK series that goes to various areas. You will learn much about the Iron, Bronze, Roman, and Anglo-Saxon Ages including their burial practices and use of pots, jugs, and glass as well as how Christianity slowly crept in.
As a fellow Hoosier, I 💖 Roger's well researched videos.
Many, many thanks!!!
Thank-you, Cindy!
I must emphatically second *_Time Team_*
Nearly 20 years of archeological expeditions...
I love and so enjoy learning about things of our beautiful country I have Never heard of before. My step Dad was from Indiana but I never heard about the Madoc Legend from him.
This has been a well done video which I have really enjoyed! Thank you. Well done indeed.🙏💙
We know We Don't Know ......Everything!
My pleasure, Donna!
Hi Roger! This is the first time I have ever seen anything from your channel (despite it totally fitting the description of what I like to watch!). Just wanted to say, “I Love It!” Great stuff here. You got a new subscriber! 🎉. Seems like I remember being told I have a significant amount of Welsh ancestry…. Which makes this all the more fascinating to me! Thanks again, Roger!…
Welcome to the adventure! Southern Indiana has been a treasure trove for odd findings. And just when I think I've found them all, there's more!
Imagine how late is Christopher Colombus to the party and yet mainstream historian give him all the credit
Because his ‘discovery’ led to commercial exploitation and colonization.
Are you aware that Columbus was jewish, ans was asked by the leaders of the Spanish Jewish community to fond them s new home? ( they were cast out of Spain in 1492) and that he used exploration maps os the Chinese expedition of 1412?
Fascinating history when I run across content like this I’m glued and at full attention. Great job my dude keep up the great work we all enjoy and god speed
Thank-you!
What a brilliant documentary - thank you! Love the way you capture a local area, such great light. Diolch yn fawr.
Thank-you!
I am from southern Indiana, my husband grew up in Brandenburg,this is the first time to hear about the stone and Prince Madoc Legend.
Brandenburg has a nice little museum, up on the hill. The people there were kind to show me the stone and tell what they knew about it.
Fascinating and so well done. Thank you!
Thank-you!
This was a great mini documentary i hope to see many more from you like this
How very interesting! I've never heard of this before.
What doesn't surprise me is evidence getting gone that doesn't fit a narrative! It's all around us.
Great job!
Thomas Jefferson specifically asked Lewis and Clark to pay attention for any evidence that the Welsh had previously been in the area prior to the American acquisition of the Louisiana purchase.
The importance being that this would have given the British a potential claim to the new territory based upon a prior "exploration ".(Nevermind that the Natives had without question owned the land from the beginning of time!)
On another note Jefferson also wanted them to look for evidence of Mammoths,Mastodons and other megafauna that he believed were possiby still alive.
In the context of the times the Lewis and Clark expidention was akin to the "moon landing" of the 20th century.
We should all ways try to keep an open mind and not be to quick to dismiss ideas or things that don't fit our accepted beliefs,myths or current hypotheses.
Agreed!
Big Bone Lick , as the area is called now is known as the birthplace of American Paleontology because of the specimens discovered there. Several previously unknown species of animals including several Mastodon bones were some of the specimens found there. These discoveries sparked unprecedented philosophical debates about extinction vs Christian doctrines and beliefs.
Great presentation and a captivating story . Cherokee blood runs in my veins and I do appreciate your effort. The Smithsonian again interferes with history and there are many many other stories about them receiving artifacts that are never seen again . They still have all of it but where ? Thanks again . :O)
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Like in New Zealand, ancient stone blocks speak of pre Maori occupation but after examining these sites the powers that be locked up the findings for 60 or so yrs ,not sure of exactly how long ,A Maori guy on site was heard to comment, these people got here at least 500 years before us ,Why the secret ,hiding things other sites as well ??
This is the American history we didn't learn! I have been traveling the nation myself learning and looking for history just like this.
If the channel supports it, I’d like to visit many other places with artifacts like these.
Excellent research and documentation Roger. Well produced 👌
Thank-you, Scot!
Good video, the stone was on display for a while in the Charlestown library.
Yes that's a Welsh burial cairn at 05'00. I'm from Wales and I'm pretty sure.🏴
The government has shown itself to be anything but trustworthy.
This is very interesting! I'd never heard anything about Welsh people coming here so long ago. It reminds me of the stone found under a tree in Minnesota with writing on it, and people hounding the poor family over it saying it was forged. It wasn't, but once a so-called expert said it was not truly old, people kept at the family till the last of them died by her own hand rather than continue. Her father and brother found it entangled in the roots of a tree. People don't seem to realize there were a lot of explorers coming and going. Why would the government not want people to know when important things like this are found?
I believe many explorers reached North America, earlier than we know. Lots of reasons to hide outlier artifacts, the primary one: to protect a reputation and government funding.
Thank you, I am drawn to these obscure tales and surprised this one is new to me! 👍
These are great local legends, nearly forgotten.
I first learned about Prince Madoc from reading a historical novel, about Owain Gwynedd AP Gruffydd, 1137-70, a Welsh King, who had at least 6 illegitimate children, of which Madoc was one. The novel prompted me to do research of my own, as I had never heard of this “legend” before. It is certainly plausible that it is true, and the fact that his father had many, many issues with which to deal back home, AND Madoc was never going to be an heir, due to his illegitimacy, it makes sense as to why the “folks back home” were not necessarily concerned as why he and is entourage never returned. Who knows for certain?? Interesting tale to tell, but I’m not so certain as to whether or not Madoc actually existed, let alone made it all the way to “America”; if he did, is it really plausible the Aztecs & the Incas knew of him??
If Madoc existed, and was the first European the Aztecs and Incas had ever met, they would’ve at least thought of him as a curiosity, if not given him god-like status. I think of the Lewis and Clark expedition, in which York, an enslaved black man, was the first person native Americans had ever seen with skin that dark. They treated him like a god, and thus greatly helped the expedition.
The Madoc story has a lot of rabbit holes. Some researchers place him in the Americas as much as 500 years earlier than 1170. While others, say he made two trips: one where he discovered North America, the second where he brought more settlers and supplies. Some researchers intermingle the Madoc story with the legend of Merlin, and it keeps on spinning until it’s utterly unbelievable. I chose to stick with 1170, and tell the basic story without much added.
Fascinating, Roger! Thoroughly enjoyed your presentation.
Thank-you Susan!
I am from Indiana and have never heard this story. Now we see how important history can be!! It should not be erased.
History is neither being taught in schools, nor held important these days. Doing what I can, to keep history alive.
Great channel lived in indiana for 60 years heard many stories about mound native people
Such a great video on so many levels. Thank you!
Thank-you!
This is a fascinating legend that as an American of Welsh descent I have heard of in the past. There are also stories of the Irish monk Columbo who sailed even earlier to the (now) Canadian coast and back in Curachs or coricals and of course the Viking explorations of what is now Nova Scotia. I have found in legend there is often a coronal of truth.
I have a story about a leather stretched and framed with crude and interesting figures with an ancient parchment hidden inside that my mother bought me at an old antique barn in Port Washigton, Ohio. The letter eluded to a tribe far west of there that raised cattle and may have been from the only Survivor of the Gnadenhutten Massacre. A pale Indian of white descent was taking 3 cows to the people there who were starving Lenape. I did not realize about all this until much later in my life. The letter stated that the emissary was from a group called Maddo. I thought it was an Indian tribe. It hung on my wall as a young boy for years. It was very old.
That would be a very cool find! Do you have pictures?
Find it. Make so many copies and put them everywhere........
Professor Pennington speaks of how when doing archaeological digs if anything is found pre Columbus it's to be returned and covered over and not catalogued. His videos are very interesting as he specialises in Welsh/American history. There's even evidence of Welsh visitors 500 years prior to Madoc and his brother Rhirid. This ties in more with the Roman coins that have been found.
Fascinating! What strikes me about the inscriptions on the Brandenburg Stone is how much they resemble Old Norse Runes! Looking at the timeline, it is understood now that circa 1000 AD, the Norse (Vikings, in other words) established a settlement at L'anse aux Meadows, at the northernmost tip of Newfoundland. There were at least three known expeditions by the Norse to that area of what is now Canada. The first was led by Leif Erikson, and the second by his brother Thorvald Erikson (who, according to the Saga, was killed in a battle with the indigenous people, by an arrow that struck him in the armpit and entered his chest. The third expedition was promoted by their half-sister Fredis Eriksdottir.
All three expeditions simply failed due to being too small in population to prevail in conflicts with the indigenous peoples, but which were documented in at least two Sagas which exist today.
Now, if we consider that at the same approximate historical time period the Vikings were raiding and establishing encampments in present day Britain. Could it be possible that copies of the Greenland and Iceland Sagas could have found their way to ancient Wales, where they could have come to the attention of Prince Madoc, and which may have inspired his expedition to the New World?
When I take all the evidence together, I would be inclined to cite Viking settlers before Welsh, in southern Indiana. White Indians with gold hair, Roman coins from plunder, even a rune stone found near the Ohio River. But many European groups could’ve made the trip. Just because we can’t find documentation, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. 🙂
Found this episode very interesting. 4 years ago I found out I was adopted, and after DNA testing discovered I am 23% Welsh, and have relatives buried in Southern Indiana. This fuels my interest in knowing where my ancestors come from. Thank you for this episode, and for fueling my fire!
My pleasure, Sandra! That museum in Brandenburg is just across the river from Mauckport, Indiana. And as a bonus, Brandenburg has a beautiful view of the river! 🙂
Omg! This was exceptionally fascinating. My family origins are from Wales,Scotland. It would be unlikely, but it is interesting to see if there is any familiar connection to this story. I wouldn't even know where to start looking.
You can do an online search of your surname, see if it had any other spellings across the ages. If you do a DNA test with ancestry.com, you’ll find that many people have already built some if not all of your family tree. I was blessed to walk into a library, in my parents hometown, and found my family genealogy going back to England.
Hi Roger. I wonder how much more there can possibly be too learn about Indiana. You always bring such interesting subjects.
It also amazes me that so many artifacts have been turned over to the Smithsonian and there is no record of the items. I will never trust them.
There's a program on the History channel called "America Unearthed" that i follow and there is so much more to our history that we haven't been told.
Keep up the amazing work.❤❤❤❤❤
It's very believable. I'm from Indiana and now live out in Oregon. I've always been a fan of history. I never knew about this until this video. I wished that I would've. I would of made a Trip from Richmond Indiana down south, just to check things out. I'm going to maybe do some more research on this and see what I come up with. The Smithsonian has a convenient way of losing articles that go against the modern narrative. They've done it from the beggining of the creation of the institutitution. I just wonder how many articles that they posses that they're keeping from the public. Probably million's, from my understanding of the ancient artifacts that were sent there by ordinary people. Just trying to find answers to their questions about what they're found laying about out in the fields that they were excavating or plowing especially back around Indiana and the Ohio valley. I imagine as time goes on, that many more discoveries wiil be found there eventually.
There seems to be as much a a history of scientific conservatism, rejecting outlier info that disproves long-held theories, as a huge inventory and poor record keeping. Indiana itself has an artifact collection in the millions, and has lost, purposely or by accident, more than a person can grasp. In my video about the Borden Museum, I detailed how many times the state collection has moved: at least 5 times in its history. I would’ve loved to have seen the early collection, when it resided in the statehouse basement. When I was a kid, it was at Ohio Street in a very grand building, that they outgrew. The new museum along White River is pretty sizable, but I’ve never seen their artifact storage.
@@AdventureswithRoger-5 moves? 5 opportunities for items to go “missing”, with the usual suspects behind it (open secret to those using critical thinking). “Poor record keeping”…your generosity knows no boundaries, because the first duty of any curator (beyond preservation) is meticulous record keeping. One cannot facilitate research requests if the location of items in the collection are poorly documented. 🧐
@@thominaduncanson7596 I have some definite opinions about the artifacts whereabouts, seeing how they’ve handled modern ones. But, I provide all the theories, let people draw their own conclusions. 🙂
Ive been listening to your videos as I work the last couple of days. You have me very excited to start exploring my property just south of Brandenburg KY
This was extremely interesting. Thank you for sharing this.
My pleasure!
I'm all in for Madoc! Judging from other comments here, Rose Island was not the end of the Welsh in North America, but only one of their settlements that met an unfortunate end. If I could say it in Welsh, I'd say 'Long Live the Welsh!' Thanks for this great synopsis, sir.
There are also other archaeological discoveries that point to ancient tin mines on Michigan's north peninsula being frequented by ancient Egyptians, then Romans after them, then Vikings. Also, possible evidence found of Egyptian port in Louisiana, as well as Roman coins up and down the Mississippi. Perhaps Madoc had knowledge of this and maps at his disposal.
Also read of a Portugues ship that made it across the Atlantic to the northern coast of New England in the same century that Madoc set out. They never landed, but encountered an enormous ship coming out of the mist whose description reminded me of the Chinese junks that circumnavigated the globe in the early 15th century. The Portuguese saw a chieftain calmly standing at the rail and looking down at them with his arms crossed. No contact was made, and the Portuguese apparently turned around and went back home.
Wonderful stories and video. Thank you for your work.
Outstanding job Roger.
I grew up in BIsmarck, right across the river from Mandan, where the Mandan Indians used to live. Its amazing how little they teach us, even when living there, in school!
Only the English version is taught in the schools.
Jesus Rodger I left my first two comments before watching the whole video this is so so so so so so so well made and amazing thank you
Madoc sailed across in 536 AD. The Welsh greeted the Vikings in 1050. They had been here for generations by that time.
There are many conflicting researchers, many conflicting dates, and many conflicting rabbit holes in the Madoc legend. I went with 1170 AD as that’s the date that has stood the test of time. I’m aware of “the two Madoc’s” legend as well.
There is no artifact, or collection of artifacts, that provide an exact date that everyone likes. Most of the claims are based on a series of leaps, all of which cannot be verified. What’s a film maker to do? I stuck with the basic story, that’s been told for over 200 years of Indiana history, and kept the date that resonates with most people.
The truth is the 6th century madoc not the 11th or 12th century. Look into the book the king arthur conspiracy by the the forensic historians wilson and Blackett
There has been a wall found on a mountain in Montana recently. One of the few that hasnt been destroyed. Yet.
Another great video! I try to remember to like and comment. Hope to see you on Rogan one day. Thank you for such captivating and in depth content!!
Thank-you! It’s been a great adventure, that seems to keep going! Just when I think I’ve covered everything, someone brings me another topic! 🙂
I read much of this in a book back in the 70s from a book written probably in the 1940s called the Ancient Life Of Kentucky including the findings of a white skinned red haired woman left inside the Mammoth Cave. Also included Indian tribes in the 1700s that told of a battle where the whites were all killed off at the battle of the Ohio Falls and remaining language of these white skins in use by the Indian tribes of the area. This has brought this subject matter back for I never seemed to ever meet anyone who knew anything of this history. Great work. I do wish the music added could be toned down a few levels. I found this book in the library of the very small remote town of Burkesville Ky.
Great show my friend,we almost need to unlearn everything our recent history and most importantly our more ancient history, that is some great 4 bidden knowledge
People are too quick to dismiss outlier information that doesn’t fit an easy, logical model of history. True history is complicated, with various groups occupying the same areas, and leaving things behind. In Indiana and Ohio, it was finally determined that Delaware (Lenape) people liked to bury their dead, on top of older mounds, created centuries earlier. The artifacts on the top were totally different from the ones further down, not even close.
I did not know that bit either,I think you would enjoy Billy Carson,4biddenknowledge,he gets into the 100s of 1000s of years old history neat stuff who knows if any of all of it is true but it's fun to explore
Thank you for being a very knowledgeable person who shares it with others
I enjoy sharing the things that I find. Hopefully it inspires other people to dig for deeper knowledge and adventures! 🙂
thank you for this remarkable history. how odd that the Smithsonion was once again a vacuum cleaner of the past
Which begs the question: where did all the mysterious artifacts and stuff go? Is there a giant cavern underground? A DUMB (secret base)? A portal to another world?
@marktwain368 Checkout the very large offsite warehouse facility at Maryland.
i think everything goes into the "storage warehouse" and they "can't find it"unless it is their paychecks@@marktwain368
Another very classy video with a choice of awesome classical music!!! I give 10 👍up. That is - If I had them.😂
My daughter recently talked to a Cree man married to a Welsh woman. They claimed that although some words and pronunciations were different , they could understand each other when speaking their native languages.
The book, "Encounters At The Heart Of The World" by Elizabeth A. Fenn might be interest to some for more info on the Mandans. Interesting to see how their villages, housing, etc changed at certain time frames.
I saw the Brandenburg Stone when it was at the Charlestown Indiana Library. I asked the librarian her thoughts, about why this isn't in the American history books. She said, "I think Christopher Columbus had better PR people than Prince Madoc". It seems as though he does.
Bye the way, I read the book written by Dana Olsen. It was hard to lay down, once I got started. I think I may have to check it out of the library again.
When I was working at Louisville, a co-worker suggested Dana Olsen’s book. I was able to buy one at the Falls of the Ohio museum, even signed by the author for like $10! Now they are like $40 on eBay. Lots of good research!