@@rudysega Be very grateful he isn't sending you to heaven! I can't imagine spending 5 seconds there before I would lose it! Five minutes with that crowd and I'd be ready for any hell...
Jesus said " I am the truth!" no lie can come from the truth the same way you cannot say 1+1=2 but it also is 1+1=3 You may say i have been lied to all my life But you can never say Jesus lied to you in the 4 Gospels where the way to be saved from your sins is clearly spoken by the truth "Jesus" John 14:6 New International Version 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
@@legionleschyzophrene4929 Luke 1 New International Version Introduction 1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. Truth must have hard evidence, and so far no one can dispute honestly, the 4 Gospel writer accounts as unreliable or not accurate. If it was a lie? the 11 disciples died ( were brutally murdered)for what they knew to be a lie ! I would listen to luke he was an eyewitness and recorded eyewitness testimonies about the events that took place during Jesus 3 year Ministry The resurrection actually happened no one has come back from death after being dead for 3 days, Jesus Historically did. This Nobel peace prize winner was converted to christianity because of the accuracy of Lukes Gospel historical factual evidence. www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1904/ramsay/biographical/ John 8:32 The Bible And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Matt does not know it or if he does he denies it now as the Devil's servant. The Bible say's that the devil is the father of lies and was a liar from the beginning! ( not real you say ? isis and hitler, are his offspring, also child murderers to name a few) Matt is lost in his own deluded intellectual arguments for a lie (Do NOT LISTEN TO HIM or you will be in deep eternal trouble ( after death) no chance to come back to sanity or enter the Heaven you were not willing to believe existed.
I figure they mean "you won't get away with this", rather that "this can't happen". Which makes it just another empty assertion based on wishful thinking, as if we don't have enough of these already.
I think what they ‘really’ mean when they say that is, “Payback is a BEATCH Mo Fo!” while they picture “extra” eternal torment for you! Is that even possible? It’s already infinite, right? Can it get worse?
@@Self-replicating_whatnot Same here. I see it as more of a “You’re really, REALLY gonna pay for saying that when you die and go to hell!” They know that their god doesn’t “really” do squat here and now, so they always have that threat of hell as “backup”.
@@BrianGay57 Perhaps they imagine it as a measure of severity of the hypothetical torment? Like instead of 10 lashes every hour you get 11 or some such. XD
What a sad existence to have to be scared and fearful of an imaginary evil god who is so weak and jealous and hateful. It sucks that so many people spend their whole life wasting time on god beliefs.
Frankly if there was a god it wouldn't have allowed either of gman's parents to reproduce. There is something horrible going on in that genome... I say this as someone who is intentionally childless, my family has all kinds of terrible genes floating around. Not gman bad tho lol
All that text and it basically boiled down to 'the bible says god exits and anyone who says otherwise is a stupid-head', 'you'll get yours(and I'm salivating over the idea)' and 'look at the trees/air'. Truly a masterpiece of an argument, presented with such brilliance it's a miracle you didn't convert on the spot.
The bad experience that solidified my atheism, was reading the Bible. Seriously, my wife wife asked me to reconsider my atheism so I read the Bible as an adult. No sale.
You mean being honest about reality and what that horrible book actually says?, good for you for being honest, reading the bible honestly is what has made a lot of people atheists, in fact I would go so far as to say it is impossible to be honest about that book and still believe it to be "god's word", it also amazes me when christians say things like "god will not be mocked" and expect that to change our minds, I think it is more doubt in their own mind, and trying to actually convince themselves more then anything else
When a theist brings up the old trope of "what bad experience did you have that made you a atheist?" I ask them _do you believe in Thor?_ Then I ask what 'bad experience' they had to cause their non belief.
As soon as I heard that the title of Todd's letter was "Proof of God " , I told myself no , it's not . And I was right , of course . I am thankfully to Matt though , for reading the letter in its entirety , because I haven't had a good belly laugh like that in a long time . Pure comedy gold .
Stop, stop! He's already dead. That scene from the Simpsons is immediately what popped into my head while hearing this. I didn't expect to crack up when I started playing the video, but this got me Matt. Brutal. Direct, factual, and needed. But just absolutely brutal.
So happy for you Matt that you can relax knowing that your work will be as good as eternal on-line 🙏🔥 To the everlasting chagrin of those beginning to doubt. Thank you, so much!
Why not send the chaplain's to the front of line , god will protect them and us soldiers can stand back while god does his work, LMFAO. Also the priest in the army chaplain should be made to serve on the front line.
These were obviously some of the more coherent emails that Matt at least thought were worth addressing. I can't imagine what some of the others are like. It'd be fun to see.
Believe it or not, the way you just explained the cake situation changed my mind on THAT issue. I had always stood with the baker, but after listening to you, I understand why what the baker did was wrong. Thank you Matt.
@@zacshifler I agrre. I think the baker was morally wrong but I think the government should stay out of it. As you said, it really is a slippery slope of gov't interference
@@zacshifler Couldn't the free market just as easily reward that behavior? Why leave it up to chance at the hands of a bunch of unpredictable and often wrong people?
The free market will reward what the free market likes, which in the USA has historically been -phobias and -ism’s. What’s the free market gonna do for the gay couple whose nearest friendly bakery is 50 miles away (a realistic scenario)? Chew on that, and while you do replace “bakery” with “hospital.”
@@TheSkillotron Bingo! Conservatives and pseudo libertarians like to pretend that “the free market” has this failsafe moral compass of some kind when it doesn’t. The free market didn’t end child labor. They free market didn’t end slavery. Government had to force these changes that “the market” couldn’t, or simply wouldn’t change.
As usual, so helpful. Thank you, Mr. Dillahunty. Happy Holidays. I had a one year dabble with gawd in high school - I've since apologized to friends and family. 62 years old in May '22. 61 years with a noggin free of nonsense. Cheers!
Wow! That was so very well said! Yes! I hope you reply to Todd's email to tell him to read your replay. He can play it a thousand times until it sinks in! Wow!
Thanks so much for the commentary on the cake issue. This is something I've been wrestling with in my mind and I couldn't put my finger on what the factor was that felt wrong to me. This helped clarify my own thoughts.
Welcome back Matt!! Glad you made it through relatively unscathed. Science & medicine rules!! Thanks for using your voice as an instrument for science, logic, empathy and fun. Holy tenets for atheists everywhere!! 🌈💕💜🤟😻
Whenever anyone tries to "prove" "god" to me, I can always derail their prepared script by showing they don't know what they're trying to prove... or how to prove it.
Could be because god mumbles and is hard to understand. That would explain why the Bible ( the so-called "inspired word of god") contains so many contradictions.
Why do people at all need to do gods work? Very arrogant to think a divine creator would need us to do anything because we will never be able to do stuff as well. And even if god wants a crap job to be done he can still do that better than us as well. The notion that we must teach each other about god and have a bible proves that if there is god(s) they don't want the message to be clear and don't want any real relationship with us. Print the knowledge in us as instinct or make it as clear as mathematics and the problem is solved. But spreading the message with old inaccurate books, myths, unclear parables and with historical context that is lost to time will have over time have a 100% (or 99.99999999...%) failure rate. The fact that an absolute majority of people that have ever existed never heard about Jesus, Moses, Yahwe etc. Like people today never have heard about thousands of other gods/religions that now is lost to history. The gods they either dont exist or if they do every single religion (known to us) is wrong about them.
@@martenjustrell446 Not to mention the fact, if he cared so much, wouldn't it be in his interrest to at least have his people under one umbrella rather than splintered into 30K+ denominations?
With the first one, Kieth has a good point generally, but Matt has a good counterpoint specifically. While it's true that there exist circumstances where someone _should_ be able to refuse to do creative work supporting something they don't believe in, the cake incident is not one. If the bakery owners maintained a general policy of investigating all people wishing to order wedding cakes in order to confirm their moral and religious compatibility maybe it would be different. But the owners didn't try to find out if their potential customers were swingers or criminals or worked of Sundays or were just getting married for tax or immigration purposes or whatever, it seems they only picked one group to discriminate against. The couple weren't asking for custom fetish art or something, they just wanted a beautiful cake. A service the owners were happy to offer to opposite-sex couples without even an _effort_ to determine if there were any significant religious/moral conflicts in their beliefs.
To summarize Matt's point about the cake: the baker who discriminated against their gay customer did so because the baker attached a non-existent emotional component to the cake. The baker mistakes his own cakes as personal endorsements or considers them a stake in whatever endeavor they're used to celebrate. This irrationality led the baker to illegally withholding a service a fellow citizen was legally entitled to.
I just love these videos. I feel so good afterwards, as Matt confirms my understanding and counterpoints to such flawed arguments. Confirms that I have better arguments for my beliefs. I really wish there could be a debate that all the best minds of both sides could come together, and have an honest direct discussion. Every discussion I see with an apologist had so many fallacious presumtions in it, I just wish we could cut through them and debate properly.
Without even watching it, I bet it won't be proof of anything. I also bet it will be nothing we haven't heard before. Now to watch the video... Edit: Well colour me surprised, I was right! 😆
This guy is such a typical example of the mindset of theists. Misunderstandings, dishonesty, and delusions are all they have to work with, which are all the qualities of a cultist.
You're right, the education system has failed not just Todd but all of us. I shouldn't have to find separate classes and books on our own to learn to think critically.
Here's what I find so compelling- that the contents of the Bible is entirely consistent with intellectual level of the typical caller of the AxP. It possesses the same insight and explanatory prowess of your average believer.
When I was in the Army in the mid to late 80s they made it harder on the young soldiers who didn't wish to attend church, in training at least. We were made to do extra cleaning and make-work "details" if we refused. I don't know if it's still the case but I remember news reports from the late 90s and 2000s of Cadets in the Air Force Academy being hazed, threatened and berated by christian fellow Cadets and even training Cadre if they were not 'christian enough'.
This relates to something that happened a while ago to a local business in my area. Their line of work is printing on t-shirts, hoodies, mugs, caps etc. They print pictures and texts with all kinds of messages and noone has really bothered, until a few months ago. They had received an order to print t-shirts with «All lives matter» and «sewer rat lives matter» (this was a «payback» at someone that had called someone else a sewer rat in a political debate, and gotten away with it, because it was considered politically correct). When this was brought to the media’s attention, it became a fuzz in the local newspaper and of course on social media. The company defended themselves with «don’t kill the messenger», and any rationally thinking person of course agrees with this defence. Problem is, noone dares to say so, because of the debate climate surrounding these matters… A video here on yt also relates to the problem of saying «all lives matter», «white lives matter» or actually anything that is not directly saying «black lives matter». If you are saying something different than the latter, you are automatically branded as a racist. My wife, who is originally a Namibian (can be seen on my profile picture) actually totally agrees with me… If a black person states: «I am NOT, and have NEVER been opressed», then most likely a white person will respond: «You are a disgrace to your people.»
Similarly on the tattoo-artist hypothetical, i would expect them to be able to craft whatever shapes are asked for, ignoring the message contained within. If they're not able to separate the form from the function, then i wouldn't quite trust their overall skill. [Or at least they should have some ToS that allow them to reject those requests.]
Thank you for addressing the issue of chaplains. I have always felt this was a clear violation of the separation of church and state. Clearly there is value in having QUALIFIED counselors as part of the military. But the only requirement (to pull in officer pay no less) is that they be a clergyman of some sort. I met a few while I was in who were complete morons and I have at least one good friend whose life was ruined by following faith biased advice from a chaplain (he badgered her to complete an ultimately disastrous pregnancy solely on the basis of not committing a 'sin'). This needs to stop.
Lol I have a feeling there is a reason Todd didn't call into the show. This doesn't sound like something he wanted anyone but you reading hahaha. No wonder as his argument is less impressive than what I would expect from a 12 year old on the topic. SMH some theists are just a gold mine of entertainment
Matt was the one doing the shredding. Wishful and magical thinkers should expect no less. Listening to brainwashed people crap out their mouth this desperate plea for Matt to succumb to irrationality and faith is entertaining. The downside is that we have to share our space with people that are convinced their depraved gods are real and the universe is haunted.
I treat gays and tans like regular people in the natural order of things now because you made me fight against my prejudice and now I am getting better because of listening to you Matt. Theists on the other hand I treat them like the unnatural. LOL
"If God has a message for me..." The man has been doing this sincerely for 16yrs: either he has no message for modern mankind, or he doesn't exist. I now invoke Occam's razor.
As for the email about having a bad experience therefore you’re an atheist. Do you know how many times I’ve heard people becoming religious or more religious because of hard times?? Most 3rd world countries experience hard times daily and they’re mostly extremely religious.
@@Readrose8 I seem to remember reading/seeing/hearing something about extreme mental stress (close relative dying, having a bad accident etc) causes the brain to "rewire", and therefore is often the trigger for people to be born again, turn Atheist, go vegan, dramatical change career, get divorced etc...
It's more complicated in my opinion. There is also narcissism behind it. What is the biggest insult to a narcissist? His own death. What religions deny? Death. That is a reason why religion is very appealing to a narcissist. Also another idea a narcissist cant tolerate is the idea of chance and lack of cosmic meaning. Because that would mean he is not special and irrelevant. And what religions give him? Cosmic significance
@@Aguijon1982 If you watch testimonies on UA-cam of people who became Christians as adults, you will see a number of characteristics that crop up over and over again: 1. Extreme self-centredness (ie narcissism, as you say) 2. Huge guilt complex. 3. A vacuous mind, with no interest in the universe beyond their own little bubble of existence. 4. Emotionally unstable. People with these characteristics are easy pickings.
You actually caused me to look at the cake case differently. During the original phone call I sided with the caller but I think your explanation is sound and logical.
A Colorado baker who won a partial victory at the U.S. Supreme Court in 2018 for refusing to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple went on trial Monday in yet another lawsuit, this one involving a birthday cake for a transgender woman. Autumn Scardina attempted to order the birthday cake on the same day in 2017 that the high court announced it would hear baker Jack Phillips’ appeal in the wedding cake case. Scardina, an attorney, requested a cake that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside in honor of her gender transition. Her lawsuit is the latest in a series of cases around the U.S. that pit the rights of LGBTQ people against merchants’ religious objections, an issue that remains unsettled by the nation’s top court. Lol
I've said it before, I'll say it again. If God wanted people to believe he existed, he'd light up every wall (or nearby/relevant surface) on Planet Earth simultaneously, like the bathroom wall on Spaceball 1, and address everyone with the largest press conference in human history. Bonus points for making it believable with extra touches like addressing every single person by name. (not in sequence of course, but simultaneously at the appropriate point in the speech. bonus bonus info is how long it takes to read the longest name on Earth, since he'd have to pause all the other speeches until it caught up if he wanted to keep it syncronized)
These bakers always bring up... Well we get involved with the couple to create the perfect cake. Well cake maker don't want you involved in our lives. Just bake a f*cking cake. You are not even invited to the wedding.
The absolute BEST thing is when such businesses start suffering in their neighborhood, the first go-to is religious persecution. That should provide fodder for at least a dozen shows!
@@brucemadge8147 Having watched the video, I think positing that Email proves the existence of God, would have made a better argument than the one Todd came up with 😂
The better analogy might be an atheist that refuses to tattoo Christians or some other group. Btw I like these Email things. It's a good idea. You should do more.
I totally agree with your argument about the bakers being in the wrong not to mention that they are just awful people who clearly have chosen to misunderstand who Jesus was. Whatever they want to say about homosexuality and the bible, Jesus while not addressing homosexuality per say, was depicted as being highly tolerant of all types of people and even went out of his way to make the least accepted feel comfortable. He was a person of love not hate.
22:00. Yes. On burden of proof. I tell people there's a bologna sandwich at the center of Jupiter. And if they can't disprove it, it's true. Can't think of a better way to get them to look their bad argument in the mirror.
The letter writer lost me at the presumption that discriminating against a patron because of age, sex, religion, race, etc would be a bad thing. Bad in what way? Sure it might be bad from a business sense, but its quite good in terms of the freedom to allow private businesses to do as they wish. Any private business should be able to serve or deny service to anybody for any reasons -- even terrible ones. If a Jewish baker only wants to sell bread to female Jews over 5'9" tall, they should be able to. No private business should ever be forced to perform commerce against their will. At the same time, someone is equally free to open up a bakery right next door to the Jewish baker and advertise that they sell bread to anybody that wishes to walk inside their business. Angered citizens might even be compelled to peacefully protest outside the Jewish baker's establishment. But you either have freedom or you dont. You can't be a little bit pregnant. If an atheist wants to only hire other atheists for their landscaping business, they should have that right. Or refuse services to blacks, Presbyterians, Wiccans, or blondes with blue eyes. And the Presbyterians should be allowed to open a restaurant and refuse service to atheists. This entire conversation really has very little to do with what the message on the cake says or why the patron is buying it. All that should matter is commerce must never be forcibly compelled between two non-consenting adults in private enterprise. The end. If we're talking state or federally run rackets like the issuing of driver's licenses or business licenses or easements, watersheds, security in ones property, papers, or effects, etc, then yes everyone must be treated the same under the umbrella because the taxation is so commingled that everybody has skin in the game. If a Christian wants to open a book store however and refuse service to atheists or Satan worshipers, the state should not force them with the point of a gun to engage in commerce against their will.
He shook my hand.....no? Took a selfie with me...no? What proof do you have? Any "kind" of truth? I imagine if you provide real truth with evidence, Matt might be interested
Awesome video and truth be spoken by Matt! Too bad that my name is Todd, but wasn’t me who emailed Matt such crap! I have got mad at not believing in God, but I get more mad at peoples false ways of believing in God, than people who don’t believe. Not one of us are right, those that say they are Christians and other religions, tend to have an ego strapped to them and after that, it’s pointless to actually care for a living God. They just would rather be right, as the Bible says so, as far as their own interpretation goes! Which is flat out BS! Great video and Matt put Todd to shame ! In my eyes and ears, setting names like Todd aside😂
Its funny how the zealots have to try and reconcile god as being both all loving and a vengeful monster. Its why i think jesus has returned in the form of nic cage. His movies are his gospels.
For the cake thing, nobody should be forced to serve someone else against their will. I agree that it's asinine not to serve someone because you(general) disagree with them, but people should be free to make that decision for themselves.
Matt, did you reply to Todd's email with all your criticisms of each point (maybe inserted in the original in red text)? If so, did he ever reply back? Thanks so much for all the work you do.
Now I know that you can write a menacing email using only bible verses. I’m so content not believing religious bullshit, they can have all the god belief to themselves. I’m good. (When he opened with “the fool” I thought this was a sock of Gman. 😂)
I think the baker should be able to deny service based on his religious beliefs, but they need to be evenly applied. He that is without sin among you, let him buy the first cake.
Two options in my mind to explain the very low epistemological quality of the email: a) God exists and the email can only be inspired by Satan the confuser b) God does not exist Better for Todd if God did not exist than to be doing Satan's work I guess.
"Rip you to shreds" there goes that Christian love again.
I would prefer Satan's love over the christian variety any day. Oh shit, he's a fictional character too.
I get that "christian" love from my family all the time. God loves me but he is sending me to hell for not believing in him. Such a nice guy.
@@rudysega Be very grateful he isn't sending you to heaven! I can't imagine spending 5 seconds there before I would lose it! Five minutes with that crowd and I'd be ready for any hell...
@@mrcurly1147 Good point, bro.
@@adalbertred hav yu nevar maid a speling mistack?
"You must have had a bad experience."
Yes, I did not enjoy the experience of being lied to my whole life, so I stopped believing the lies.
Amen to that
Jesus said " I am the truth!" no lie can come from the truth the same way you cannot say 1+1=2 but it also is 1+1=3
You may say i have been lied to all my life
But you can never say Jesus lied to you in the 4 Gospels
where the way to be saved from your sins is clearly spoken by the truth "Jesus"
John 14:6
New International Version
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
@@PaulOReilly712 So the book its true because the book says it tells the truth? Try again.
@@PaulOReilly712 "No lie can come froom the truth" Except that if it's not the truth, it can absolutely lie, therefore your entire point falls apart.
@@legionleschyzophrene4929
Luke 1
New International Version
Introduction
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
Truth must have hard evidence, and so far no one can dispute honestly, the 4 Gospel writer accounts as unreliable or not accurate.
If it was a lie? the 11 disciples died ( were brutally murdered)for what they knew to be a lie !
I would listen to luke he was an eyewitness and recorded eyewitness testimonies about the events that took place during Jesus 3 year Ministry
The resurrection actually happened no one has come back from death after being dead for 3 days, Jesus Historically did.
This Nobel peace prize winner was converted to christianity because of the accuracy of Lukes Gospel historical factual evidence.
www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1904/ramsay/biographical/
John 8:32
The Bible
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Matt does not know it or if he does he denies it now as the Devil's servant.
The Bible say's that the devil is the father of lies and was a liar from the beginning! ( not real you say ? isis and hitler, are his offspring, also child murderers to name a few)
Matt is lost in his own deluded intellectual arguments for a lie (Do NOT LISTEN TO HIM or you will be in deep eternal trouble ( after death) no chance to come back to sanity or enter the Heaven you were not willing to believe existed.
"God will not be mocked" is the surest way to elicit god-mockery.
I can't believe they don't know this.
I figure they mean "you won't get away with this", rather that "this can't happen".
Which makes it just another empty assertion based on wishful thinking, as if we don't have enough of these already.
I think what they ‘really’ mean when they say that is, “Payback is a BEATCH Mo Fo!” while they picture “extra” eternal torment for you!
Is that even possible? It’s already infinite, right? Can it get worse?
@@Self-replicating_whatnot Same here. I see it as more of a “You’re really, REALLY gonna pay for saying that when you die and go to hell!”
They know that their god doesn’t “really” do squat here and now, so they always have that threat of hell as “backup”.
@@BrianGay57 Perhaps they imagine it as a measure of severity of the hypothetical torment? Like instead of 10 lashes every hour you get 11 or some such. XD
Them: "god will not be mocked"
Me: "I'm mocking him"
Todd: “[Matt] as a practicing atheist…”
Matt: “I don’t practice, I’ve got it right.”
Great response.
“I’m not a practising atheist, I got it right.” might make a nice T-shirt.
Or "I passed the test." (Optional: I'm a card-carrying atheist now.)
I know someone that has a song named "Play God". I always reply "I ain't playin." :)
From SOAP in about 1979:
"Are you a practicing homosexual?"
Jody: "I don't have to practice, I'm very good at it."
You don't need to practice to be an atheist but practice helps to argue effectively with believers.
What a sad existence to have to be scared and fearful of an imaginary evil god who is so weak and jealous and hateful. It sucks that so many people spend their whole life wasting time on god beliefs.
I wasted over 30 years, I finally climbed over the wall. So I now have reality.
Sooooo hard to get over.
If there was actually a God, he'd tell Gman to stop.
Oh wow, I just clicked and hadn't heard the name Gman yet HAHA
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't drowned in a light rain shower!
Gman is still going??
@@harvey9290 HL3 is coming soon. /s
Atleast tell him to tone it down a bit.
Frankly if there was a god it wouldn't have allowed either of gman's parents to reproduce. There is something horrible going on in that genome...
I say this as someone who is intentionally childless, my family has all kinds of terrible genes floating around. Not gman bad tho lol
All that text and it basically boiled down to 'the bible says god exits and anyone who says otherwise is a stupid-head', 'you'll get yours(and I'm salivating over the idea)' and 'look at the trees/air'.
Truly a masterpiece of an argument, presented with such brilliance it's a miracle you didn't convert on the spot.
The bad experience that solidified my atheism, was reading the Bible. Seriously, my wife wife asked me to reconsider my atheism so I read the Bible as an adult. No sale.
You mean being honest about reality and what that horrible book actually says?, good for you for being honest, reading the bible honestly is what has made a lot of people atheists, in fact I would go so far as to say it is impossible to be honest about that book and still believe it to be "god's word", it also amazes me when christians say things like "god will not be mocked" and expect that to change our minds, I think it is more doubt in their own mind, and trying to actually convince themselves more then anything else
It’s pretty poorly written and definitely disturbing.
When a theist brings up the old trope of "what bad experience did you have that made you a atheist?" I ask them _do you believe in Thor?_ Then I ask what 'bad experience' they had to cause their non belief.
@@ARoll925 you pretty much have to cherry pick the bible if you want to convert into chriatianity.
@@Brugar18 I know, that's what I was saying
As soon as I heard that the title of Todd's letter was "Proof of God " , I told myself no , it's not . And I was right , of course . I am thankfully to Matt though , for reading the letter in its entirety , because I haven't had a good belly laugh like that in a long time . Pure comedy gold .
Proof of god “in an email”? This should be very convincing! LOL!
Well Bruce almighty did send a lot of them :P
It's an improvement over lightning bolts and plagues.
Todd wants to rip someone apart for simply disagreeing with him - he needs to be on a watch list. Flanders, come get your kid 🤦🏾♀️
Hey Matt, I've followed your work for many years and it's been inspiring. I really appreciate what you do. Keep up the good work!
Stop, stop! He's already dead.
That scene from the Simpsons is immediately what popped into my head while hearing this. I didn't expect to crack up when I started playing the video, but this got me Matt. Brutal. Direct, factual, and needed. But just absolutely brutal.
So happy for you Matt that you can relax knowing that your work will be as good as eternal on-line 🙏🔥
To the everlasting chagrin of those beginning to doubt. Thank you, so much!
I’d be willing to compromise on the existence of military chaplains. Make it a volunteer, unpaid position that doesn’t need to be filled.
Why not send the chaplain's to the front of line , god will protect them and us soldiers can stand back while god does his work,
LMFAO.
Also the priest in the army chaplain should be made to serve on the front line.
The Divine Fallacy strikes yet again.
These were obviously some of the more coherent emails that Matt at least thought were worth addressing.
I can't imagine what some of the others are like. It'd be fun to see.
Believe it or not, the way you just explained the cake situation changed my mind on THAT issue. I had always stood with the baker, but after listening to you, I understand why what the baker did was wrong. Thank you Matt.
@@zacshifler I agrre. I think the baker was morally wrong but I think the government should stay out of it. As you said, it really is a slippery slope of gov't interference
@@zacshifler Couldn't the free market just as easily reward that behavior? Why leave it up to chance at the hands of a bunch of unpredictable and often wrong people?
The free market will reward what the free market likes, which in the USA has historically been -phobias and -ism’s. What’s the free market gonna do for the gay couple whose nearest friendly bakery is 50 miles away (a realistic scenario)? Chew on that, and while you do replace “bakery” with “hospital.”
@@TheSkillotron Bingo! Conservatives and pseudo libertarians like to pretend that “the free market” has this failsafe moral compass of some kind when it doesn’t.
The free market didn’t end child labor. They free market didn’t end slavery. Government had to force these changes that “the market” couldn’t, or simply wouldn’t change.
Kudos to you @Mike Hock for admitting that you misunderstood the situation. That is a rare admission these days!
As usual, so helpful. Thank you, Mr. Dillahunty. Happy Holidays. I had a one year dabble with gawd in high school - I've since apologized to friends and family. 62 years old in May '22. 61 years with a noggin free of nonsense. Cheers!
Wow! That was so very well said! Yes!
I hope you reply to Todd's email to tell him to read your replay. He can play it a thousand times until it sinks in!
Wow!
“He can play it a thousand times and it’ll never sink in” is probably more like it, unfortunately.
Far from spreading hopelessness, Matt’s work has had an extraordinarily positive effect on my life and contributed to my hopeful outlook.
I love this sort of content even more than what I’ve learned from the numerous shows.
Oh God, well if Todd said so, I guess I must repent! Sorry Jesus!
So, some dude just emails the Final Boss of Atheism with "The fact you don't believe proves you believe" 🤔
"I could totally give you good arguments but I won't because my God won't let me."
_WHAT?_
Thanks so much for the commentary on the cake issue. This is something I've been wrestling with in my mind and I couldn't put my finger on what the factor was that felt wrong to me. This helped clarify my own thoughts.
Welcome back Matt!! Glad you made it through relatively unscathed. Science & medicine rules!! Thanks for using your voice as an instrument for science, logic, empathy and fun. Holy tenets for atheists everywhere!! 🌈💕💜🤟😻
Whenever anyone tries to "prove" "god" to me, I can always derail their prepared script by showing they don't know what they're trying to prove... or how to prove it.
More videos like this, please! Reading emails and hearing you respond is very enjoyable.
Why does God need Todd to speak for him?
Well, because god is a figment of Todd's own imagination so who else is better qualified?
Could be because god mumbles and is hard to understand. That would explain why the Bible ( the so-called "inspired word of god") contains so many contradictions.
Reality: Doesn't exist
Fantasy: Too busy toruturing the living and the dead.
Why do people at all need to do gods work? Very arrogant to think a divine creator would need us to do anything because we will never be able to do stuff as well. And even if god wants a crap job to be done he can still do that better than us as well.
The notion that we must teach each other about god and have a bible proves that if there is god(s) they don't want the message to be clear and don't want any real relationship with us. Print the knowledge in us as instinct or make it as clear as mathematics and the problem is solved. But spreading the message with old inaccurate books, myths, unclear parables and with historical context that is lost to time will have over time have a 100% (or 99.99999999...%) failure rate.
The fact that an absolute majority of people that have ever existed never heard about Jesus, Moses, Yahwe etc. Like people today never have heard about thousands of other gods/religions that now is lost to history.
The gods they either dont exist or if they do every single religion (known to us) is wrong about them.
@@martenjustrell446 Not to mention the fact, if he cared so much, wouldn't it be in his interrest to at least have his people under one umbrella rather than splintered into 30K+ denominations?
With the first one, Kieth has a good point generally, but Matt has a good counterpoint specifically.
While it's true that there exist circumstances where someone _should_ be able to refuse to do creative work supporting something they don't believe in, the cake incident is not one. If the bakery owners maintained a general policy of investigating all people wishing to order wedding cakes in order to confirm their moral and religious compatibility maybe it would be different. But the owners didn't try to find out if their potential customers were swingers or criminals or worked of Sundays or were just getting married for tax or immigration purposes or whatever, it seems they only picked one group to discriminate against.
The couple weren't asking for custom fetish art or something, they just wanted a beautiful cake. A service the owners were happy to offer to opposite-sex couples without even an _effort_ to determine if there were any significant religious/moral conflicts in their beliefs.
This was great!
I'm curious as to whether he'll have new arguments, or just keep repeating the ones that haven't worked for years now?
Thanks Matt!
"arguments" -- to repeat something it first needs to exist.
@@irrelevant_noob
Nobody said that they were good arguments.
Christian: Gawd will not be mocked. Atheist: Hold my beer.
Theist: you had bad experience, therefore you're an atheist
Me: You had a boo boo while playing sports as a kid, so therefore you're not an athlete
Anybody want to bet on whether or not Todd was home schooled?
I expect to see "Todd" on the news someday soon. I feel bad for his future victims.
Great video Matt as ever. Thank you so much. Best Gray
To summarize Matt's point about the cake: the baker who discriminated against their gay customer did so because the baker attached a non-existent emotional component to the cake. The baker mistakes his own cakes as personal endorsements or considers them a stake in whatever endeavor they're used to celebrate. This irrationality led the baker to illegally withholding a service a fellow citizen was legally entitled to.
Excellent argument once again, Matt! Thanks.
It's always a treat listening to this voice of reasoned reason.
I just love these videos. I feel so good afterwards, as Matt confirms my understanding and counterpoints to such flawed arguments. Confirms that I have better arguments for my beliefs. I really wish there could be a debate that all the best minds of both sides could come together, and have an honest direct discussion. Every discussion I see with an apologist had so many fallacious presumtions in it, I just wish we could cut through them and debate properly.
Matt you rock keep up the good work
Without even watching it, I bet it won't be proof of anything. I also bet it will be nothing we haven't heard before. Now to watch the video...
Edit: Well colour me surprised, I was right! 😆
I put that down as a prophecy. Well done!
"God will not be mocked" reminds me of the old SNL sketch with John Malkovich, "You Mock Me." Look it up here on YT, it's hilarious.
I wish I had Matt's quick wit & intelligence!
This guy is such a typical example of the mindset of theists. Misunderstandings, dishonesty, and delusions are all they have to work with, which are all the qualities of a cultist.
You're right, the education system has failed not just Todd but all of us. I shouldn't have to find separate classes and books on our own to learn to think critically.
Sick! "Something must have happened to you". That's the theme of Bram Stoker's "Dracula"! "Vlad" turned against God!
Here's what I find so compelling- that the contents of the Bible is entirely consistent with intellectual level of the typical caller of the AxP. It possesses the same insight and explanatory prowess of your average believer.
Great videos and amazing logic, and critical thinking
12:37 The one line that could be used whenever a theist or a woo woo believer calls the different programs.
And the rest of Todd's mail.
"just because you're a practicing atheist.."
*I'm not practicing, I did it right, ...*
That was enjoyably unexpected!
Snarky remark, snarky comeback.
When I was in the Army in the mid to late 80s they made it harder on the young soldiers who didn't wish to attend church, in training at least. We were made to do extra cleaning and make-work "details" if we refused. I don't know if it's still the case but I remember news reports from the late 90s and 2000s of Cadets in the Air Force Academy being hazed, threatened and berated by christian fellow Cadets and even training Cadre if they were not 'christian enough'.
This relates to something that happened a while ago to a local business in my area. Their line of work is printing on t-shirts, hoodies, mugs, caps etc. They print pictures and texts with all kinds of messages and noone has really bothered, until a few months ago. They had received an order to print t-shirts with «All lives matter» and «sewer rat lives matter» (this was a «payback» at someone that had called someone else a sewer rat in a political debate, and gotten away with it, because it was considered politically correct). When this was brought to the media’s attention, it became a fuzz in the local newspaper and of course on social media. The company defended themselves with «don’t kill the messenger», and any rationally thinking person of course agrees with this defence. Problem is, noone dares to say so, because of the debate climate surrounding these matters… A video here on yt also relates to the problem of saying «all lives matter», «white lives matter» or actually anything that is not directly saying «black lives matter». If you are saying something different than the latter, you are automatically branded as a racist. My wife, who is originally a Namibian (can be seen on my profile picture) actually totally agrees with me…
If a black person states: «I am NOT, and have NEVER been opressed», then most likely a white person will respond: «You are a disgrace to your people.»
I have completely changed my opinion on the baker. Never thought of it like that but it completely makes sense the way Matt explained it.
Similarly on the tattoo-artist hypothetical, i would expect them to be able to craft whatever shapes are asked for, ignoring the message contained within. If they're not able to separate the form from the function, then i wouldn't quite trust their overall skill. [Or at least they should have some ToS that allow them to reject those requests.]
Matt, thanyou for posting these! These were excellent points, but todd was hilarious!👍🤎🥰✌
Thank you for addressing the issue of chaplains. I have always felt this was a clear violation of the separation of church and state. Clearly there is value in having QUALIFIED counselors as part of the military. But the only requirement (to pull in officer pay no less) is that they be a clergyman of some sort. I met a few while I was in who were complete morons and I have at least one good friend whose life was ruined by following faith biased advice from a chaplain (he badgered her to complete an ultimately disastrous pregnancy solely on the basis of not committing a 'sin'). This needs to stop.
24:42 this is the most perfect argument against any god`s existence I have ever heard
Lol I have a feeling there is a reason Todd didn't call into the show. This doesn't sound like something he wanted anyone but you reading hahaha. No wonder as his argument is less impressive than what I would expect from a 12 year old on the topic. SMH some theists are just a gold mine of entertainment
With the litany of spelling errors and random words with full capitalization, he looks like someone without a high school education.
Matt was the one doing the shredding. Wishful and magical thinkers should expect no less.
Listening to brainwashed people crap out their mouth this desperate plea for Matt to succumb to irrationality and faith is entertaining. The downside is that we have to share our space with people that are convinced their depraved gods are real and the universe is haunted.
In my book of why I decovnerted I explained in great detail how much I enjoyed my time as a believer.
I treat gays and tans like regular people in the natural order of things now because you made me fight against my prejudice and now I am getting better because of listening to you Matt. Theists on the other hand I treat them like the unnatural. LOL
"If God has a message for me..."
The man has been doing this sincerely for 16yrs: either he has no message for modern mankind, or he doesn't exist. I now invoke Occam's razor.
Athest Debates, probably a new series :P
Matt is so selfless. Takes the I out of Atheist.
You are just brilliant Matt 😊
Starting your "proof" with verses like Psalm 53:1 is a clear sign you got nuthin'.
As for the email about having a bad experience therefore you’re an atheist. Do you know how many times I’ve heard people becoming religious or more religious because of hard times?? Most 3rd world countries experience hard times daily and they’re mostly extremely religious.
That's generally due to ignorance i.e. lack of education, rather than hardship.
@@Readrose8
I seem to remember reading/seeing/hearing something about extreme mental stress (close relative dying, having a bad accident etc) causes the brain to "rewire", and therefore is often the trigger for people to be born again, turn Atheist, go vegan, dramatical change career, get divorced etc...
It's more complicated in my opinion.
There is also narcissism behind it.
What is the biggest insult to a narcissist? His own death. What religions deny? Death. That is a reason why religion is very appealing to a narcissist.
Also another idea a narcissist cant tolerate is the idea of chance and lack of cosmic meaning. Because that would mean he is not special and irrelevant. And what religions give him? Cosmic significance
EXACTLY.
@@Aguijon1982 If you watch testimonies on UA-cam of people who became Christians as adults, you will see a number of characteristics that crop up over and over again:
1. Extreme self-centredness (ie narcissism, as you say)
2. Huge guilt complex.
3. A vacuous mind, with no interest in the universe beyond their own little bubble of existence.
4. Emotionally unstable.
People with these characteristics are easy pickings.
"Im not practising, i got it right"... (c 17:00 ) oh.... thats gonna burn for more than eternity!!!
Didn't George Carlin say something about people named "Todd"????
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Every single argument for god, ends in a huge contradiction at some point by theists...Everytime ! And every time, they don't get it!
You actually caused me to look at the cake case differently. During the original phone call I sided with the caller but I think your explanation is sound and logical.
A Colorado baker who won a partial victory at the U.S. Supreme Court in 2018 for refusing to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple went on trial Monday in yet another lawsuit, this one involving a birthday cake for a transgender woman.
Autumn Scardina attempted to order the birthday cake on the same day in 2017 that the high court announced it would hear baker Jack Phillips’ appeal in the wedding cake case. Scardina, an attorney, requested a cake that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside in honor of her gender transition.
Her lawsuit is the latest in a series of cases around the U.S. that pit the rights of LGBTQ people against merchants’ religious objections, an issue that remains unsettled by the nation’s top court.
Lol
@@cliffisaac29 personally I think you should make the damn cake. You start a business to make money. Turning down money is stupid.
If you don't mind, I won't hold my breath until you get your message from God. {whichever that one might be)
The first 2 sentences was all you need to know that the email was absolute nonsense.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. If God wanted people to believe he existed, he'd light up every wall (or nearby/relevant surface) on Planet Earth simultaneously, like the bathroom wall on Spaceball 1, and address everyone with the largest press conference in human history. Bonus points for making it believable with extra touches like addressing every single person by name. (not in sequence of course, but simultaneously at the appropriate point in the speech. bonus bonus info is how long it takes to read the longest name on Earth, since he'd have to pause all the other speeches until it caught up if he wanted to keep it syncronized)
These bakers always bring up... Well we get involved with the couple to create the perfect cake. Well cake maker don't want you involved in our lives. Just bake a f*cking cake. You are not even invited to the wedding.
Edit: Athest Debates - Proof of spellcheck! XD
The absolute BEST thing is when such businesses start suffering in their neighborhood, the first go-to is religious persecution. That should provide fodder for at least a dozen shows!
It's Todd Flanders. It is, isn't it?
Todd Flanders would have been more eloquent.
Is he related to Ned Flanders?
@@brianfergus839
Son.
I sort of misread the title and assumed that someone had come up with the argument that Email proves god 😂
Brilliant!
@@brucemadge8147 Having watched the video, I think positing that Email proves the existence of God, would have made a better argument than the one Todd came up with 😂
The better analogy might be an atheist that refuses to tattoo Christians or some other group. Btw I like these Email things. It's a good idea. You should do more.
Since when has this channel started doing comedy?! Thanks for the laugh!
I totally agree with your argument about the bakers being in the wrong not to mention that they are just awful people who clearly have chosen to misunderstand who Jesus was. Whatever they want to say about homosexuality and the bible, Jesus while not addressing homosexuality per say, was depicted as being highly tolerant of all types of people and even went out of his way to make the least accepted feel comfortable. He was a person of love not hate.
Matt keeps it 💯
23:43 Pure wisdom.
22:00. Yes. On burden of proof. I tell people there's a bologna sandwich at the center of Jupiter. And if they can't disprove it, it's true. Can't think of a better way to get them to look their bad argument in the mirror.
Heretic!
The letter writer lost me at the presumption that discriminating against a patron because of age, sex, religion, race, etc would be a bad thing. Bad in what way? Sure it might be bad from a business sense, but its quite good in terms of the freedom to allow private businesses to do as they wish. Any private business should be able to serve or deny service to anybody for any reasons -- even terrible ones. If a Jewish baker only wants to sell bread to female Jews over 5'9" tall, they should be able to. No private business should ever be forced to perform commerce against their will. At the same time, someone is equally free to open up a bakery right next door to the Jewish baker and advertise that they sell bread to anybody that wishes to walk inside their business. Angered citizens might even be compelled to peacefully protest outside the Jewish baker's establishment. But you either have freedom or you dont. You can't be a little bit pregnant. If an atheist wants to only hire other atheists for their landscaping business, they should have that right. Or refuse services to blacks, Presbyterians, Wiccans, or blondes with blue eyes. And the Presbyterians should be allowed to open a restaurant and refuse service to atheists. This entire conversation really has very little to do with what the message on the cake says or why the patron is buying it. All that should matter is commerce must never be forcibly compelled between two non-consenting adults in private enterprise. The end. If we're talking state or federally run rackets like the issuing of driver's licenses or business licenses or easements, watersheds, security in ones property, papers, or effects, etc, then yes everyone must be treated the same under the umbrella because the taxation is so commingled that everybody has skin in the game. If a Christian wants to open a book store however and refuse service to atheists or Satan worshipers, the state should not force them with the point of a gun to engage in commerce against their will.
Agreed!
He shook my hand.....no? Took a selfie with me...no? What proof do you have? Any "kind" of truth? I imagine if you provide real truth with evidence, Matt might be interested
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Awesome video and truth be spoken by Matt! Too bad that my name is Todd, but wasn’t me who emailed Matt such crap! I have got mad at not believing in God, but I get more mad at peoples false ways of believing in God, than people who don’t believe. Not one of us are right, those that say they are Christians and other religions, tend to have an ego strapped to them and after that, it’s pointless to actually care for a living God. They just would rather be right, as the Bible says so, as far as their own interpretation goes! Which is flat out BS! Great video and Matt put Todd to shame ! In my eyes and ears, setting names like Todd aside😂
Its funny how the zealots have to try and reconcile god as being both all loving and a vengeful monster. Its why i think jesus has returned in the form of nic cage. His movies are his gospels.
The thumbnail for this video makes Matt look absolutely terrifying
So what would you think if everything described in the book of Revelation happened?
“Nobody in their right mind thinks….” OK, who wants to tell him?
For the cake thing, nobody should be forced to serve someone else against their will. I agree that it's asinine not to serve someone because you(general) disagree with them, but people should be free to make that decision for themselves.
Matt, did you reply to Todd's email with all your criticisms of each point (maybe inserted in the original in red text)? If so, did he ever reply back? Thanks so much for all the work you do.
Now I know that you can write a menacing email using only bible verses. I’m so content not believing religious bullshit, they can have all the god belief to themselves. I’m good.
(When he opened with “the fool” I thought this was a sock of Gman. 😂)
This was like fifteen hangup calls in a row.
Todd...Todd...Todd...NO..🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
If You serve the public? SERVE the public. Full-stop
I think the baker should be able to deny service based on his religious beliefs, but they need to be evenly applied.
He that is without sin among you, let him buy the first cake.
Oh my stars... I do think this one email just hit AXP Bingo...
Two options in my mind to explain the very low epistemological quality of the email:
a) God exists and the email can only be inspired by Satan the confuser
b) God does not exist
Better for Todd if God did not exist than to be doing Satan's work I guess.