That's how i know of him too. I grew up on Winchester in M*A*S*H. The way Jen feels about his guest appearance, and his character here, is a testament to his incredible acting talents. He will always be missed. RIP David Ogden Stiers
Ordinarily, I find Lwaxanna annoying but this episode gives her character some real depth. And David Ogden Stiers' performance makes him one of TNG's best guest stars.
When Jen was saying at the beginning how much she likes Lwaxana episodes, I was thinking, just wait Jen, this is not a typical Lwaxana episode. I think Lwaxana's normal pushy attitude is a way she keeps people off balance so she doesn't have to be vulnerable. That very much doesn't work in this case. It's telling at the end when she says she won't cause trouble. She knows how she normally acts and how that's perceived. She has to humble herself so she can be with Timicin and she's willing to do it. Great acting by guest stars Majel Barrett, David Ogden Stiers, and Michelle Forbes.
One of the saddest, but one of the best episodes. Storyline is so relatable & relevant. Hats off to Majerl Barrett, her acting was so heart-felt. Excellent work on your reaction videos Ms. Jen 😊❤❤
David Ogden Stiers was well-known and rightfully celebrated for his tenure on M*A*S*H. Though it was a different episode, TNG made another subtle M*A*S*H reference. In the episode "Conspiricy", a computer displayed information about the USS James Fennimore Cooper (NCC-4077) under the command of Cpt. Benjamin F. Pierce. 4077 as the unit number for the M*A*S*H, Benjamin Pierce, bka Hawkeye, was one of the main characters and his nickname came from "The Last of the Mohicans", written by James Fennimore Cooper.
Actually you got this episode quite well in the one statement you made about not judging the rituals of other societies. The whole point of good Trek is it makes us look at hard questions and doesn't "tell us" how to think about it but to think about it from all angles.
I was 29 years old when this first aired. Seeing it now at age 62 gives a whole new perspective. I was moved both times by the excellent performances, but the underlying meaning has so much different effect. Thank you, Jan.
This is what Star Trek does best; it makes you THINK...this episode makes you battle between what your heart says and what your mind says. It makes you question your own moral beliefs and cultural prejudices. Also while Lwaxana is usually played for laughs, this is a nice change as it shows her as being more than just a person with jokes, self-indulgence and arrogance; she has feelings and can feel pain (which she presumably covers up with her jokes, as many people do IRL). I loved this episode, it's so well done ❤
I love this one -- Lwaxana is so much more than a joke, and this episode really investigates that. The topic is amazing, the script, the story ... everything.
Excellent episode that covers a thought provoking topic. It was nice to see Lwaxana Troi become something other than a man crazed buffoon. Majel Barrett and David Ogden Stiers did outstanding jobs. I didn't know she was Nurse Chapel too! Watch for the daughter to return later in the series.
Yes, sh was Nurse Chapel in the original, she was the First Officer in the original pilot episode that was later repurposed for the two-part Menagerie episodes, and she serves as the computer voice on both the original series and on TNG. She was also married to Trek creator Gene Rodenberry.
The late David Ogden Stiers was best known for playing Dr. Charles Emerson Winchester on M*A*S*H. That character as originally planned was haughty, arrogent and dislikable, yet Stiers injected passion and care into his performance, so that the writers were forced to show that he had a big heart as well, from convincing a pianist who lost his hand in combat to find other ways to bring his music to the world, to secretly bringing candy to orphans on Christmas. He managed to bring laughs and tears, often at the same time. A wonderful actor, and perfect for this role.
It helped that the series lasted longer than the real life conflict it was trying to depict. Which is never a bad thing as each weekly episode shouldn't be a week in real time. If anything the stories from the Korean War could still be told.
I agree that this episode's guest star was excellent, the plot poignant, and Lwaxana's love laudable. A meaningful message for many. And Jen's analysis is unmatched. TNJ!!!! 🖖💞
I loved your thoughtful take on this episode. I also loved Majel and David’s performance in this quintessential Trek episode. Ultimate questions of right and wrong, respecting each other through disagreements, and making the most of your time being alive are such worthy themes to explore. This is why I love Trek, high philosophy, high art, for the betterment of humanity.
The best thing about Troi's mom is that having started her out as a fully comic character, when they add that depth to her it's always a moving surprise. There is another serious episode with her that just breaks my heart.
Everyone's mentioning all the live action stuff David Ogden Stiers has done, so let me just point out the fantastic run of voice roles he had during the Disney Renaissance: Cogsworth from Beauty and the Beast, Governor Ratcliffe from Pocahontas, The Archdeacon in Hunchback of Notre Dame, Fenton Harcourt in Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and Dr. Jumba Jookiba from Lilo & Stitch. Hell, I'll even through in Disney's English dubs of Hayao Miyazaki's works to add in Grandpa Piccolo from Porco Rosso, and Kamaji from Spirited Away. Not every one of these roles was a big part, but the mouse loved him enough to keep hiring him for project after project.
This was always one of my favorite episodes--so powerful, especially in the end. This was a powerful episode, and David Ogden Stiers was a fabulous actor. This theme, of killing the aged, is most definitely about to become a significant issue in real life.
I mean it's been a pretty significant issue for quite some time. Especially in the 90's when the Death with Dignity movement started. Several states have death with dignity laws in effect.
@@Michael-id9bw Right, but presumably that is still there choice. First time I saw this pop up as an issue was during the 1970s, when talk of what to do with an aging population first cropped up. Logan's Run was an early series that dealt with this to a degree. I think there are hints of this Soylent Green.
I enjoyed your delightful laughter at the start Jen. I also believe we cannot impose our own beliefs on others, nor the other way around. There is no one best way of living. Or as the Vulcans say: infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
OMG, I totally forget what a fantastic actor David Ogden Steirs was! He was a well known guest star at the time, remembered for his role as Charles Winchester from "MASH", another classic series that I grew up on. THANK YOU!
David ogden Stiers is without question my favourite guest star to date his voice is so calming and gentle it could move mountains and what a wonderful actor he was 🖖
I don't think I'd describe the Kaelons as "barbaric," but more so, they've taken a concept rooted in mercy and take it to a polar extreme and put too much social pressure on it and removed all nuance or autonomy. Seeing what my own grandmothers went through as they got older, the sharp reduction in mobility, the cognitive decline; I'm genuinely terrified of that prospect being part of my future. My maternal grandmother's last few days (really, the last few months) were some of the hardest to see her go through; barely lucid or even aware we were there. At one point her crying out that she didn't want anymore birthdays (it was her birthday). In the end, as much as it hurt that she was gone and how much we all mourned her and miss her, there was also a sense of relief for us for her that it was over. We so ardently insist on making everyone hold onto this life, even those who genuinely believe there's life after death; and it's often to spare ourselves the pain of losing them, even if it means prolonging their suffering. Again, this is the opposite extreme, requiring others die whether they're "ready" or not.
@@One.Zero.One101 Yep! Callin' something a tradition, which is perhaps around at most 120 years (and only in cities), sounds for an European, very strange...
The girl who played the daughter did so well she was given a regular role on the show as a different character (like O’Brien). Not major, but supporting crew.
Me, too. But I hate this episode, so I skip it on DVD. It reminds me on the strong belive the Nazis had, about some topics. "You are nothing, but your people are everything..." Puke!
I love the idea of starting the episode with Troi's log entry: "My mother is on board." That's generally all you need to know about a Lwaxana episode :D
As a young person I did not care for a lwaskana, but as I am an older person, now I definitely appreciate what she brings to The Ensemble. Late 40s here. Watching young people appreciate this show brings me a lot of joy. Thanks Jen!
Majel Barrett was the original Number One and Nurse Chappell. She was the glue to maintain the continuity between TNG and TOS. Always good to see her on the show.
CONGRATULATIONS 🥳🎉 on your promotion! 😊 wow! this one GOT TO YOU! from laughing at picard to cannot do the end theme song 😟 loved your reaction and discussion 👍
This is THE episode that turned me around about Lwaxana. I went from finding her a vaguely ridiculous annoyance, to being very impressed with her compassion and resolve.
I think Lwaxana's lines to Deanna when she breaks down on the transporter pad is her most powerful moment. The comedic character gets serious and vulnerable and in such a profound and relatable way
I think of this episode often. My grandpa is 96 but has been in pretty bad health for years and barely ever leaves his home. He himself often jokes he just sits around waiting for the end to come and "It is taking way too damned long". He would have been happy to have the family gather one last time years ago to see him off.
May I recommend the wonderful guest star of this episode David Ogden Stiers as the mayor of Grady in the comedy Doc Hollywood, a funny and light little movie where he will tell you all about "the Grady Squash" and try to convince you to become a small town doctor for him. Michael J Fox, Julie Warner, Bridget Fonda, Woody Harrelson... Rest of the cast is pretty good too lol
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry was Gene's wife and played in the original series as Nurse Chapel. She also played Number One in the Star Trek Original series pilot "The Menagerie". She also maid a phonetic recording so they could always use her voice as Star Fleet computers by arranging it into any prhase.
Hands down the best Lwaxana episode, and only because her character got a real story and David Ogden Stiers was a magnificent guest star. This is one of my favorites of TNG, and as I get older I appreciate it more and more. One of a handful of episodes that moves me to tears.
Hi Jen, I'm finally taking time to say that I really look forward to the two episodes every Sunday. It was a fantastic choice to watch them all because it's the only way to fully understand the significance of some events. Failing to have that complete perspective hurts or even ruins a reaction. I am excited to see some of the upcoming episodes, but I won't spoil anything by naming them.
David Ogden Stiers really was a great actor, underrated in terms of professional recognition, with his top award being an Emmy for best supporting actor in the M*A*S*H* series. Perhaps it had to do with his choices in the roles he took. But he will always be remembered fondly as Maj. Winchester, as the mayor in _Doc Hollywood,_ and here as the deeply-moving Timicin. RIP, Mr Stiers.
Yiu are correct that, in his heart, he really didn't want to BUT this way the research he was doing could continue and there would be a chance for it to be completed successfully & his world would survive.
Back in the day this episode was my turning point when it comes to Lwaxana. I went from being both annoyed and amused to really loving her. She's like the voice of reason speaking out things that noone else is allowed to due to regulations and she's really showing her big heart. I can fully relate.
Thank you much Jen I love your afterthoughts at the end of each episode , It's like getting a gift , your insights , your humor . And your comments on screen and in chat , very enjoyable . See you in Spooky Season !!
One of the most underrated TNG episodes and easily my favorite Lwaxana appearance. David OS is such a powerful, genuine performer. He’s excellent in the Dead Zone tv series, as well.
Like many others, as a 9 or 10 year old, I thought this episode was boring, but as a 43-year-old, this is a touching episode. I'm glad to see that it touched you in the same way it touched many of us. Commercial break.
I’m glad Lwaxana got an episode where you see a better side to her, and she’s not so obnoxious and self-absorbed. She was really sweet in this episode, and yet still believable as the same character. Her character really gained a lot of depth in this episode.
This episode is one of the many reasons I love Lwaxana Troi. :) I really enjoyed your discussion of this episode at the end; Jen! Yes, how do we handle other culture's norms that diverge so far from our own beliefs? This episode is a deep one.
This is is definitely an underrated episode I think, might be the best Lwaxana episode, it does show that underneath her flamboyant troll personality she is a very passionate and empathetic person.
Hi Jen! Lwaxanna is like another Q for the captain and the Enterprise! Always unpredictable. At least in this episode she was, as you say, toned down. Here she was hit in the feels for this man and took it hard to know when finding out about his ways and his thoughts. Lots of emotional blasts came out from many people and it put her in a different perspective. Thanks for the like...
Man, that one was tough. I think it was necessary to start out with Laxana (however its spelled) to provide an element of levity to offset the sombre tone to come. To see her wrestle with her own age when seeing this custom play out. That she accompanied him says a lot about her character at a core level. Man... Such a complex one to chew on.
A tough moral delima episode. I like how it was approached. And i appreciate that you blank out certain words even if we've heard it before. Fun fact: David Olgen was in the piolt episode of Charlie's Angels as a second side kick/assistant to the angels.
David Ogden Stiers was excellent in this, as he always is. His role as Major Charles Emerson Winchester III on M.A.S.H. was amazing. And Majel Barrett (Lwaxana Troi) also had one of her best performances in this episode.
Episodes with Lwaxana are often very humorous. This one started out like that, but it sure didn't end that way. However, at the end, we see her tender side coming out when she's in a bad place. Jen, your laugh at the beginning of the episode is delightful. Picard starts to stride out of the turbolift as he always does... but he stops short, because he knows Lwaxana's on board. So, he *leans* out... he looks left and he looks right and she isn't there. Picard then strides out, but he doesn't get twenty feet before she's there and all over him!
I love this episode. It has shades of "Logan's Run", but is really a Lwaxana Troi episode. We learn all about her character in here. David Ogden Stiers gave the performance of a lifetime.
This is one of my favorite episodes. I will be turning 70 in 3 weeks. And I have so much left to give. I'm a naturopathic doctor. I see patients everyday. I help people and turn their lives around and I do so much. I can't even imagine living in a society where I had to die 10 years ago.
Rewatching your TNG with your reactions and I keep finding new things. I never realized the actress playing the daughter will be a regular in the future as a different character.
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That's quite the rank boost: From Lieutenant, Junior Grade, to Lieutenant Commander. :D
Congratulations.
This episode certainly hits a lot differently at 52 than it did at 18.
At the time I viewed it as a more reasonable Logan's Run situation. I am currently very happy to not live in either situation.
Even weirder at 63
Right? For my 54 years as well. And my housemate is 60!
I always think about David Ogden Stiers as Charles Winchester on Mash
Absolutely!
Someday, maybe we'll get a reactor to tackle MASH. Don't think it's been done before.
Using Winchester as a replaced for Burns was a stroke of brilliance.
my favorite mash character
That's how i know of him too. I grew up on Winchester in M*A*S*H.
The way Jen feels about his guest appearance, and his character here, is a testament to his incredible acting talents. He will always be missed. RIP David Ogden Stiers
RIP David Ogden 😢
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Watching this when it first aired I thought it was ok, but seeing at again at 57 gives a different perspective.
You mean "as you get older, maybe approaching sixty?"
Almost 60 yeah. But most episodes grow so much on me as decades pass by
Late 40s here.. I feel the same way
Ain’t that the truth. 57 here as well.
For me, it was just ok as a kid, and now hits with a world of difference after experiencing losing a loved one.
Was that ensign Ro as the daughter?
Indeed
I was -- same actor, Michelle Forbes.
Admiral Cain as well.
She has lots of Cousins...=)
Another instance of ST recycling actors. How many times has Jen already seen "Gul Dukot"?
Ordinarily, I find Lwaxanna annoying but this episode gives her character some real depth. And David Ogden Stiers' performance makes him one of TNG's best guest stars.
Majel Barrett really nailed her performance. Such a good episode.
Any episode with her is a pass for me but there is always Lwaxanna fans too. Enjoy
They really flesh out her character a lot more as the series goes on, and then you look back at older episodes and understand.
Watch his appearance on Frasier. Classic.
Agreed ... I mostly found her character annoying but this episode was amazing with her.
When Jen was saying at the beginning how much she likes Lwaxana episodes, I was thinking, just wait Jen, this is not a typical Lwaxana episode.
I think Lwaxana's normal pushy attitude is a way she keeps people off balance so she doesn't have to be vulnerable. That very much doesn't work in this case. It's telling at the end when she says she won't cause trouble. She knows how she normally acts and how that's perceived. She has to humble herself so she can be with Timicin and she's willing to do it.
Great acting by guest stars Majel Barrett, David Ogden Stiers, and Michelle Forbes.
"My mother is on board!"
Funniest log entry on the series
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And when Deanna is the one making it, it's also one of the scariest.
And one of the most interesting.
One of the saddest, but one of the best episodes. Storyline is so relatable & relevant. Hats off to Majerl Barrett, her acting was so heart-felt. Excellent work on your reaction videos Ms. Jen 😊❤❤
Jen: Troi could get it if she wanted to.
Lt. Barclay: I volunteer as tribute!
Anybody notice the 4077 on the display screen when David Ogden is showing Geordi the numbers on the screen in engineering ??
David Ogden Stiers was well-known and rightfully celebrated for his tenure on M*A*S*H. Though it was a different episode, TNG made another subtle M*A*S*H reference.
In the episode "Conspiricy", a computer displayed information about the USS James Fennimore Cooper (NCC-4077) under the command of Cpt. Benjamin F. Pierce. 4077 as the unit number for the M*A*S*H, Benjamin Pierce, bka Hawkeye, was one of the main characters and his nickname came from "The Last of the Mohicans", written by James Fennimore Cooper.
Actually you got this episode quite well in the one statement you made about not judging the rituals of other societies. The whole point of good Trek is it makes us look at hard questions and doesn't "tell us" how to think about it but to think about it from all angles.
So, we've had two excellent thought-provoking Star Trek dramas in a row this week. Really good ones today!
I was 29 years old when this first aired. Seeing it now at age 62 gives a whole new perspective. I was moved both times by the excellent performances, but the underlying meaning has so much different effect. Thank you, Jan.
This is what Star Trek does best; it makes you THINK...this episode makes you battle between what your heart says and what your mind says. It makes you question your own moral beliefs and cultural prejudices. Also while Lwaxana is usually played for laughs, this is a nice change as it shows her as being more than just a person with jokes, self-indulgence and arrogance; she has feelings and can feel pain (which she presumably covers up with her jokes, as many people do IRL). I loved this episode, it's so well done ❤
Both my heart and my mind are of the opinion that their culture is in moral error, and logical error.
Star Trek's version of Logan's Run except doubling the age limit
I love this one -- Lwaxana is so much more than a joke, and this episode really investigates that. The topic is amazing, the script, the story ... everything.
Excellent episode that covers a thought provoking topic. It was nice to see Lwaxana Troi become something other than a man crazed buffoon. Majel Barrett and David Ogden Stiers did outstanding jobs. I didn't know she was Nurse Chapel too! Watch for the daughter to return later in the series.
Yes, sh was Nurse Chapel in the original, she was the First Officer in the original pilot episode that was later repurposed for the two-part Menagerie episodes, and she serves as the computer voice on both the original series and on TNG. She was also married to Trek creator Gene Rodenberry.
Well, it wasn't the daughter, but rather the actress who played the daughter.
David Ogden Stiers….effing legend.
The late David Ogden Stiers was best known for playing Dr. Charles Emerson Winchester on M*A*S*H. That character as originally planned was haughty, arrogent and dislikable, yet Stiers injected passion and care into his performance, so that the writers were forced to show that he had a big heart as well, from convincing a pianist who lost his hand in combat to find other ways to bring his music to the world, to secretly bringing candy to orphans on Christmas. He managed to bring laughs and tears, often at the same time. A wonderful actor, and perfect for this role.
It helped that the series lasted longer than the real life conflict it was trying to depict. Which is never a bad thing as each weekly episode shouldn't be a week in real time.
If anything the stories from the Korean War could still be told.
Because Winchester was haughty, arrogant and dislikable, it was an order of magnitude funnier when he played practical jokes on the others.
Thank you for doing these reactions today, Jen, it's always appreciated. 🙂
I hope that you're having a wonderful weekend?
This is one of the episodes that always brings a tear to my eye
This is great trek, moral questions, no clear answers, but a lot to think about, this is what sci-fi does best
I agree that this episode's guest star was excellent, the plot poignant, and Lwaxana's love laudable. A meaningful message for many. And Jen's analysis is unmatched. TNJ!!!! 🖖💞
I loved your thoughtful take on this episode. I also loved Majel and David’s performance in this quintessential Trek episode. Ultimate questions of right and wrong, respecting each other through disagreements, and making the most of your time being alive are such worthy themes to explore. This is why I love Trek, high philosophy, high art, for the betterment of humanity.
The best thing about Troi's mom is that having started her out as a fully comic character, when they add that depth to her it's always a moving surprise. There is another serious episode with her that just breaks my heart.
Love Trek because of what they managed to cram into 45 minutes every week.
Thanks for another great reaction and your thoughts afterwards Jen!
Everyone's mentioning all the live action stuff David Ogden Stiers has done, so let me just point out the fantastic run of voice roles he had during the Disney Renaissance: Cogsworth from Beauty and the Beast, Governor Ratcliffe from Pocahontas, The Archdeacon in Hunchback of Notre Dame, Fenton Harcourt in Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and Dr. Jumba Jookiba from Lilo & Stitch. Hell, I'll even through in Disney's English dubs of Hayao Miyazaki's works to add in Grandpa Piccolo from Porco Rosso, and Kamaji from Spirited Away. Not every one of these roles was a big part, but the mouse loved him enough to keep hiring him for project after project.
So I’d heard his voice before I ever saw a single minute of MASH.
What a fabulous guest star. I’m crying like a baby, his performance and the story was excellent.
He was such a good actor, so much feeling behind his work. Rest in Peace David.
This episode reminds me of 'Logan's Run'...no one lives past 30...=))
If you read the book, the limit was 21.
Charles E. Winchester the third.
But Colonel. I don't belong here ! ( his first episode on MASH )
I'm 55, and 60 doesn't seem old any more. Keanu Reeves is 60 this year, and he's fairly active.
This was always one of my favorite episodes--so powerful, especially in the end. This was a powerful episode, and David Ogden Stiers was a fabulous actor. This theme, of killing the aged, is most definitely about to become a significant issue in real life.
I mean it's been a pretty significant issue for quite some time. Especially in the 90's when the Death with Dignity movement started. Several states have death with dignity laws in effect.
@@Michael-id9bw Right, but presumably that is still there choice. First time I saw this pop up as an issue was during the 1970s, when talk of what to do with an aging population first cropped up. Logan's Run was an early series that dealt with this to a degree. I think there are hints of this Soylent Green.
I enjoyed your delightful laughter at the start Jen. I also believe we cannot impose our own beliefs on others, nor the other way around. There is no one best way of living. Or as the Vulcans say: infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
OMG, I totally forget what a fantastic actor David Ogden Steirs was! He was a well known guest star at the time, remembered for his role as Charles Winchester from "MASH", another classic series that I grew up on. THANK YOU!
This is one of those episodes that I really liked when it first aired and just has so much more dimension the older you get.
David ogden Stiers is without question my favourite guest star to date his voice is so calming and gentle it could move mountains and what a wonderful actor he was 🖖
Always appreciate the humor from this show
I don't think I'd describe the Kaelons as "barbaric," but more so, they've taken a concept rooted in mercy and take it to a polar extreme and put too much social pressure on it and removed all nuance or autonomy.
Seeing what my own grandmothers went through as they got older, the sharp reduction in mobility, the cognitive decline; I'm genuinely terrified of that prospect being part of my future. My maternal grandmother's last few days (really, the last few months) were some of the hardest to see her go through; barely lucid or even aware we were there. At one point her crying out that she didn't want anymore birthdays (it was her birthday).
In the end, as much as it hurt that she was gone and how much we all mourned her and miss her, there was also a sense of relief for us for her that it was over. We so ardently insist on making everyone hold onto this life, even those who genuinely believe there's life after death; and it's often to spare ourselves the pain of losing them, even if it means prolonging their suffering.
Again, this is the opposite extreme, requiring others die whether they're "ready" or not.
This is posts the question if the Western tradition of dumping your elders in a nursing home is barbaric.
@@One.Zero.One101 Yep! Callin' something a tradition, which is perhaps around at most 120 years (and only in cities), sounds for an European, very strange...
The girl who played the daughter did so well she was given a regular role on the show as a different character (like O’Brien). Not major, but supporting crew.
The best opening log out of any Star Trek series. Deanna Troi. One sentence - “My mother is on board.” Enough said.
I never realized his daughter was Ro.
Noticed that too. Star Trek really loved reusing actors. I wonder if it saved on HR costs.
Me, too. But I hate this episode, so I skip it on DVD. It reminds me on the strong belive the Nazis had, about some topics. "You are nothing, but your people are everything..." Puke!
I love the idea of starting the episode with Troi's log entry: "My mother is on board." That's generally all you need to know about a Lwaxana episode :D
Big hugs for Jen and her Serious Girl Spectacles on this one. Haven't seen her get that emotional very often, and she actually got me a bit. 😢
We finally reach a point when the daughter counsels the mother. This episode was a milestone in their relationship.
As a young person I did not care for a lwaskana, but as I am an older person, now I definitely appreciate what she brings to The Ensemble. Late 40s here. Watching young people appreciate this show brings me a lot of joy. Thanks Jen!
Majel Barrett was the original Number One and Nurse Chappell. She was the glue to maintain the continuity between TNG and TOS. Always good to see her on the show.
Darn just noticed from comments that David Ogden passed! R I P Major Charles Winchester III 🙏🏼🕊️
Been waiting patiently for you to see this one, it's a big time favourite of mine. :)
CONGRATULATIONS 🥳🎉 on your promotion! 😊 wow! this one GOT TO YOU! from laughing at picard to cannot do the end theme song 😟 loved your reaction and discussion 👍
This is THE episode that turned me around about Lwaxana. I went from finding her a vaguely ridiculous annoyance, to being very impressed with her compassion and resolve.
I think Lwaxana's lines to Deanna when she breaks down on the transporter pad is her most powerful moment. The comedic character gets serious and vulnerable and in such a profound and relatable way
I think of this episode often. My grandpa is 96 but has been in pretty bad health for years and barely ever leaves his home. He himself often jokes he just sits around waiting for the end to come and "It is taking way too damned long". He would have been happy to have the family gather one last time years ago to see him off.
May I recommend the wonderful guest star of this episode David Ogden Stiers as the mayor of Grady in the comedy Doc Hollywood, a funny and light little movie where he will tell you all about "the Grady Squash" and try to convince you to become a small town doctor for him. Michael J Fox, Julie Warner, Bridget Fonda, Woody Harrelson... Rest of the cast is pretty good too lol
Yes. You can see lots of Geordi's date, Christy there. wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean?
This is one of my favorite episodes. It really went where no show had gone before!
Once again I got a huge lump in my throat watching this episode. Thank you for the experience.
*I have loved this episode since it first aired. David Ogden Stiers is a stunningly talented actor.*
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry was Gene's wife and played in the original series as Nurse Chapel. She also played Number One in the Star Trek Original series pilot "The Menagerie". She also maid a phonetic recording so they could always use her voice as Star Fleet computers by arranging it into any prhase.
I love Lwaxana and this is her best episode. I think it's one of the most underrated of the series.
Hands down the best Lwaxana episode, and only because her character got a real story and David Ogden Stiers was a magnificent guest star. This is one of my favorites of TNG, and as I get older I appreciate it more and more. One of a handful of episodes that moves me to tears.
The guest start was David Ogden Stiers, he played in the hit tv comedy MASH.
He was also Martian Manhunter in the unaired live action Justice League pilot, but I don't hold that against him ;)
Another banger episode very well acted
Hi Jen, I'm finally taking time to say that I really look forward to the two episodes every Sunday. It was a fantastic choice to watch them all because it's the only way to fully understand the significance of some events. Failing to have that complete perspective hurts or even ruins a reaction. I am excited to see some of the upcoming episodes, but I won't spoil anything by naming them.
Thanks for being here for the Trek journey!
David Ogden Stiers really was a great actor, underrated in terms of professional recognition, with his top award being an Emmy for best supporting actor in the M*A*S*H* series. Perhaps it had to do with his choices in the roles he took. But he will always be remembered fondly as Maj. Winchester, as the mayor in _Doc Hollywood,_ and here as the deeply-moving Timicin. RIP, Mr Stiers.
The Actor that plays Timicin also played "Charles Emerson Winchester III, M.D." on the sit com M.A.S.H
2:04 I love that Lwaxana calls Worf "Mr. Wolf"
Yiu are correct that, in his heart, he really didn't want to BUT this way the research he was doing could continue and there would be a chance for it to be completed successfully & his world would survive.
Fun Fact, The actor who plays the scientists daughter was Michelle Forbes who later in ther series returns as Ensign Ro Laren.
David Ogden Stiers was a fantastic actor whether it was comedy or drama or both simultaneously.
Lwaxana's best episode by far. And a stellar performance by David Ogden Stiers. (Charles Winchester on MASH). One of my favorite episodes.
Thats the most funny beginning of an TNG by far.😂 My mother is on Board. No further explanation needed.
Back in the day this episode was my turning point when it comes to Lwaxana. I went from being both annoyed and amused to really loving her. She's like the voice of reason speaking out things that noone else is allowed to due to regulations and she's really showing her big heart. I can fully relate.
Thank you much Jen I love your afterthoughts at the end of each episode , It's like getting a gift , your insights , your humor . And your comments on screen and in chat , very enjoyable . See you in Spooky Season !!
Thanks lou!! I appreciate all your support and comments :)
One of the most underrated TNG episodes and easily my favorite Lwaxana appearance. David OS is such a powerful, genuine performer. He’s excellent in the Dead Zone tv series, as well.
You know it's intense and sad when Jen can't sing the theme song😢
Like many others, as a 9 or 10 year old, I thought this episode was boring, but as a 43-year-old, this is a touching episode.
I'm glad to see that it touched you in the same way it touched many of us.
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I’m glad Lwaxana got an episode where you see a better side to her, and she’s not so obnoxious and self-absorbed. She was really sweet in this episode, and yet still believable as the same character. Her character really gained a lot of depth in this episode.
This episode is one of the many reasons I love Lwaxana Troi. :) I really enjoyed your discussion of this episode at the end; Jen! Yes, how do we handle other culture's norms that diverge so far from our own beliefs? This episode is a deep one.
Great comments! It's good to see someone positive on UA-cam commenting about Star Trek! 😄❤
Seasons 3 & 4 had some ridiculously excellent episodes.
This is is definitely an underrated episode I think, might be the best Lwaxana episode, it does show that underneath her flamboyant troll personality she is a very passionate and empathetic person.
Instantly treated to the ultra-rare Jen cackle
Hi Jen! Lwaxanna is like another Q for the captain and the Enterprise! Always unpredictable. At least in this episode she was, as you say, toned down. Here she was hit in the feels for this man and took it hard to know when finding out about his ways and his thoughts. Lots of emotional blasts came out from many people and it put her in a different perspective. Thanks for the like...
Always ❤ Jen's nails and hair, so beautiful! 🥰
She's a Goddess
Man, that one was tough. I think it was necessary to start out with Laxana (however its spelled) to provide an element of levity to offset the sombre tone to come. To see her wrestle with her own age when seeing this custom play out. That she accompanied him says a lot about her character at a core level. Man... Such a complex one to chew on.
Fun fact, timicin is played by the same actor who played Winchester on the show mash.
A tough moral delima episode. I like how it was approached. And i appreciate that you blank out certain words even if we've heard it before. Fun fact: David Olgen was in the piolt episode of Charlie's Angels as a second side kick/assistant to the angels.
David Ogden Stiers was excellent in this, as he always is. His role as Major Charles Emerson Winchester III on M.A.S.H. was amazing. And Majel Barrett (Lwaxana Troi) also had one of her best performances in this episode.
Please appreciate Majel Barrett Roddenberry's decades of Star Trek: Nurse Chapel, the computer, and Troi's mother.
And Number One in the original pilot. Also a lot of voice acting on the animated series.
Episodes with Lwaxana are often very humorous. This one started out like that, but it sure didn't end that way. However, at the end, we see her tender side coming out when she's in a bad place.
Jen, your laugh at the beginning of the episode is delightful. Picard starts to stride out of the turbolift as he always does... but he stops short, because he knows Lwaxana's on board. So, he *leans* out... he looks left and he looks right and she isn't there. Picard then strides out, but he doesn't get twenty feet before she's there and all over him!
David Ogden Stiers. Better known as John Cusack's father in the movie Better off Dead. I want my two dollars
Wrong. David Ogden Stiers is best remembered as the Russian mob boss from Disney's Tim Allen and Martin Short comedy "Jungle 2 Jungle."
@@earlofbroadst wrong. Better known as Replicator leader in Stargate Atlantis
@@dalepetersen1166 Wrong. He's better known as the voice of Jumba in Lilo and Stitch.
I always knew him as Winchester.
I love this episode. It has shades of "Logan's Run", but is really a Lwaxana Troi episode. We learn all about her character in here.
David Ogden Stiers gave the performance of a lifetime.
This is one of my favorite episodes. I will be turning 70 in 3 weeks. And I have so much left to give. I'm a naturopathic doctor. I see patients everyday. I help people and turn their lives around and I do so much. I can't even imagine living in a society where I had to die 10 years ago.
That has always been such a deep and powerful episode for me.
Rewatching your TNG with your reactions and I keep finding new things. I never realized the actress playing the daughter will be a regular in the future as a different character.
David Ogden Stiers plays the mayor in one of my favourite comedies Doc Hollywood with Michael J Fox. Well worth a watch.
From her Wikipedia page
"Amazon code-named the project that eventually became Alexa as “Majel.” "